[Drama 2018-2019] Encounter / Boyfriend, 남자친구

[rosiepeonie188]

40 minutes ago, roshzanna said:

 

This episode is about courage and taking risks. If she will loose some and gain some let it be.

It is when she has nothing that she finds the road to happiness, freedom, the love of her life. Now, she is not afraid to lose what she worked for, if it will mean having Jh in her life. Keeping some open spaces in our life, will enable the most important things in our life to come in. If it is crowded and full, we may miss those most important things. 

 

 

 

How i cherish everyone in this forum.. each one of you gave thoughtful insights which not only relate to the drama but also very relatable to our own life.

Thank you for your beautiful words,

@roshzanna

 

In Woo Suk case, i agree, even if Woo Suk turn out to the noble idiot, trying to protect SH from his mom, he is however, doesn't need to hurt Jin Hyuk and So Hyun with his words. Even if it's in the name of Oppa's Love trying to find out whether Jin Hyuk worthy enough for Soo Hyun.

So Hyun on the other hand, i believe, she would choose to step down, rather than receive the remaining shares from Woo Sook. Remember how Woo Suk tried to help her with Sokcho painter? She decided not to accept as she know, she will forever be in Taegyong circle. 

 

I'm quoting Roshzanna here, 

 

It is when she has nothing that she finds the road to happiness, freedom, the love of her life.

[lclarakl]

I have to admit that this drama keeps surprising me in a lot of ways. I love how in this drama CSH and JH are a couple determined to support each other despite opposition. 

 

I loved, loved, loved the end of episode 12....CSH made it clear to her ex husband, his mother, the media, and especially JH that she chose JH. The tears in JH's eyes at seeing CSH standing in front of his house said it all; in that moment the writer let us know that he had doubts that had been weighing on him, but she laid them to rest....you could feel his relief.

 

There are only 4 episodes left and there are going to be some more challenges; we know the ex mother in law is going to come down hard on CSH after her snub by not attending the family memorial. Maybe her ex-husband will finally become a man in front of his mother and stand up to her. He lost the woman he loved because he couldn't protect her.

 

I also am loving my second ship---CSH' assistant and JH's restaurant friend....he's just too cute. Loved that little rose scene.

 

[bebebisous33]

@nikir @gumtaek @Far^away @boredahjumma I doubt that JWS created that Co-CEO seat in order to help CSH so that he plans to give her all his shares from the start. IF so, why would he visit JH and warn him to stay away from his woman? Why would he say that CSH is not someone JH should date based on his social background and his age? Yes, he was nice and well-mannered, when he visited the PR-team but there were witnesses and he had to act as a good and nice Co-CEO, especially after JH has become the face of Donghwa hotel. He is arrogant and rude in front of JH alone because he doesn't want any witness. To me, in front of our hero, JWS shows his true color. Striking is that he used the incident with the Cuba Hotel to criticize CSH as she was not able to solve the crisis herself. I doubt that he has another scheme: giving her all his shares. If he had the intention, why hasn't it happened yet? What is he waiting for? Is it to prove that JH is not after CSH's money? But if this is his reason, why did he have to hurt her that way? Why did he ask to meet her often and ask her to eat for lunch? In this scene, we witness how he uses his position as Co-Ceo to interact with her, as from the episode 10 on, she had started disobeying his "invitations" (orders). He knew, he could no longer use his past relationship and his "love" in order to meet her. CSH had showed him that she didn't care for him at all: he waited for her for three hours... He was gracious enough (in his mind) to let her know that she could take her time but he, the prince charming per se,  had been stood up... 

He has the video evidence of his mother's involvement and he didn't use it to reveal what T. Group did. He used it for his own advantage. In his mind, the shares as Co-Ceo can make him look attractive. Don't forget that he uses his money to woo CSH all the time: the dress, the flowers, the expensive wine ... now the stakes are higher, as he knows that JH is even allowed to enter her house. JWS knows very well that even CSH's mother can not even enter that house. So far, only JMJ had that right. Here, he saw a man entering CSH's house and spending some time there. So more and more he sees that he is loosing his grip on CSH hence he uses her love for the hotel to tighten up the leash around CSH's neck.

 

I will be even bolder to express the assumption that JWS knew all along the way his mother set up a trap to Cha's family with the loan but since he had fallen in love with her at first sight, he wanted to have her and decided to play along with the game. He let her think that this was an arranged marriage, whereas in reality he wanted to possess her. I could definitely see a pattern due to the way he reacted with the Cuba crisis.

 

Then, let us not forget CSH's warning to director Choi: do you want to remain T. group puppet or do you want to work for Donghwa Hotel? And this will be all about. IS Donghwa hotel independent from T. Group or not? If JWS gives her the shares willingly, then there is no real fight between Taegyeong Group and CSH. However, I want CSH to fight against T. Group and as such against JWS. So far, she has never stopped her husband. In the past, she remained obedient and quiet, then only in the episode 10, she finally refused to meet him. After so many years, she dared something like that that's why I am expecting CSH fighting against her ex-husband.

 

Now, I see JWS differently from HI. While there were many parallels in the past, HI's evolution represents the opposite of JWS's evolution. HI is hurt but she accepts that JH will never love her and only views her as a friend... she cries but that's it. JWS chose the opposite path: he won't give her up, he will do anything to keep her by his side, even it means that he hurts CSH. 

 

What I am expecting is this, a revolution. Director Choi has the video too. Remember that JWS sent him this... so this video reveals that JWS knew what his mother did and covered it up. This video proves that he is an accomplice. I hope, this will be used against him and his mother. Director Choi and the other nobodies (using the words from chairman Kim) like LIH or KJT could testify against her.

[JuzM3]

3 hours ago, thistle said:

 

 

 

I just don't know given what @nikir said about translation.....but I still like what I thought earlier even if it is a little pervy.  

 

2 hours ago, nikir said:

 

 

 

  I also the liked the translation..but I listened to it again and he says " I drank tea in my home.you really want me to drink tea and leave" ..the korean experts in here can clarify

 

Also, i think given the dialogues that has been in this drama..I dont think they would use that dialogue..even if we want them to 

I’m no Korean expert but I think he literally said “We had our mouths controlled before, and even here you’re telling me to have tea?” I’m not sure what he meant by control here... As in eating/drinking or kissing?  Or was he just playing with words between  참았 (endure) and 차마실 (having tea)? Cos they kinda sound similar in Korean. Forgive me if I was wrong. 

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25 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

I doubt that JWS created that Co-CEO seat in order to help CSH so that he plans to give her all his shares from the start.

Agree ..not from the start ..but am hoping that he will give up control as a parting gift once he realizes that they are meant to be and that he cannot protect her..

But I hope Monster in law, CSH's mother and Dir. Choi get the punishment they deserve ..I think being rejected by CSH will pbly be the biggest punishment for WS..but once he sees his mother in prison or brought down by society he may turn a new leaf...hope!! 

[noonainwaiting]

Finally got time to see episode 11, my thoughts-

 

 

 

 

• I like how there's a recurring theme of SH saying "I know every example of ___ that exists" for e.g. all the art galleries in the city, or about the playground, and JH surprises her every time . Its hard to hold back after enjoying their privacy in Cuba, it was hilarious to see JH go for the attack within their first day of being back at work, but who can blame them, really. When he bit his lip and was being all suggestive, I don't know how SH kept her cool. She has a core of steel. Also, while Bogum has been flexing his emotional chops, this scene made me see hes got great comedic timing- him struggling to explain why exactly he called her, and look at that cap of him fleeing the scene lols.

 

    

 

• Finally, I get to see a scene of healthy, real, mother-daughter connection. Happy to see all the side plots trickling along, hope Driver Nam joins their family dinners soon, too. And of course, for SH to eventually experience having a mother who cares.

 

 

• They both know why JH was that essential element required to heal bond the b/w Samuel and Donghwa Hotels. It was more emotional, less business. JH and Samuel harabeoji come from the same stock- people who value genuineness and human interaction, no matter how fleeting. A sanctuary garden in Cuba vs a playground in Seoul- both are imbibed with meaning because of their life experiences. And they both are hopeless romantics- no wonder they clicked. Nice to see SH realise the connection.

 

More under the cut

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• This drunk scene was one of my favorites- SHK acted amazingly- from a cute drunk, to being heartrendingly real, back to being cute and tipsy. Honestly seeing her go from "I'm cute, but not everybody knows it" to " I wonder if this is all a dream" to "Isn't one metre too far hehe" was just amazing. And Bogum is an amazing partner to share such a scene with- his reactions are so attuned to her, have so much of mirroring, shadowing, whatever they call it. Its magic.

 

• I included this because I love his face, I love his expression. And most importantly, we can see that hes made a decision- when faced with her insecurities, he steps up to the plate.

 

 

• I humbly disagree with JH's dad, to sing like that, in one go, without a faulty note(to my ears)- hes awesome. Is there anything Park Bogum cant do?! I've also been seeing that both the leads are gonna collaborate on an ost? They're planning to just kill me, aren't they.

 

 

• To be honest, I didn't get any "doom" type feelings from the story JH quoted. Maybe my radar has been blunted or I'm choosing to be a romantic- but after witnessing her confession and fears the night before, maybe he wanted to convey that his love for her is the eternal kind- always present no matter the circumstances.
• And that was such a fun proposal- interactive, with elements of discovery and surprise. They are soulmates by this point, my brain cant even think of an alternate ending.

 

 

• So our suspicions that dad has known from the beginning are confirmed. His father is definitely cautious, but I appreciate him lending his support to JH. On the other hand, his mom said "They don't match"- but it definitely stems more from her insecurity regarding their status differences. The whole scene with them being offered wine tasting- the awkwardness was just so relatable to me because my family also head out to such high end places very rarely. 
• And there was an interesting parallel between the scenes of SH looking at JH's close family unit and WS looking on at JH meet SH's dad.They both feel like outsiders at this point, but obviously there's hope for SH becoming a part of JH's family unit. I think JH's mom will actually love SH, when she actually gets to know her.

 

• I had taken a few screencaps of WS and his stalker behavior, but then decided against it. Anyways, his mom should have taken a look at her own son before pointing the finger at JH.  The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
• But can he still surprise us?

 

 

Yet to see ep 12, but will return with my thoughts. And I should really login more, I once again have nearly 50 pgs to backread.  Keep the discussion train going guys.

Edited January 11, 2019 by noonainwaiting
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JH is the sweetest bf ever! 

[Far^away]

1 hour ago, bebebisous33 said:

@nikir @gumtaek @Far^away @boredahjumma I doubt that JWS created that Co-CEO seat in order to help CSH so that he plans to give her all his shares from the start. 

 

 

I beg to disagree. I didn't say he did plan to give all of his shares to her. Now or later. Maybe my words skewed toward that train of thought so I'm sorry for confusing everyone who read it. 

 

Let me arrange my words better. I think he came to Donghwa primarily because he thought that if he gained the hotel, then SH would have no choice but to go to him, since the hotel means everything to her. I also believe he think that he is protecting her right on Donghwa by snatching the hotel himself since he did it without his mother's help. He definitely up to something, and this is implied when he doesn't say a word when his mom asked if he also had the same intention as hers for acquiring Donghwa.

 

For me, at the end of the episode SH just delivered a slap on his face by ditching the death anniversary event. It means the hotel is no longer everything to her. But KJH is!!!

 

I can't wait to see how his face contorted with anger when he realised the one who came was Sec Jang and Mr Nam. Serves you right! 

 

To Soo Hyun, you go girl!

[jl08]

4 hours ago, KymberleeD said:

CSH’s tear is just as well perfectly held in her eyes but  the feeling is so intense...!

 

I love ep 12 too, with all the sweet moments and especially the ending...I noticed that CSH's tear rolled down her right cheek at the end. She was holding it all in, especially after having faced an emotional turbulence in making having to make a decision.

 

It's like the old CSH vs the new CSH - who is stronger now. I'm so proud of her that she chose her new-found freedom, confidence and most importantly, the love of her life. Without KJH, she'll be living in fear. He taught her how to live for herself and do the things that she wants - she did not need to ask for permission. Remember she had asked him if she could wind down her window at one point? His reply was "of course, it's your car". 

She knew that there's no way that she could let a good man like KJH slip out of her life. She doesn't want to live in a cage again. It's now or never. It takes courage on her part too, to go against her MIL's and mum's wishes, knowing she'll need to face the full-blown wrath. KJH understood her courage, that's why he was so emotional because firstly, she showed that he's her priority and secondly, she's ready to face the possibility of losing Donghwa hotel, which is so precious to her. He's emotional because she risked everything for him.

 

"I'm in trouble. There's no exit now. 

I'll never be able to escape from your charms"

 

Profound love indeed - she is ready to give up everything for him. He's ready to love her till the end (nami island).

I'm still tearing at their emotional hug.

 

I don't care. I want this drama to continue forever. I want the Cuba ORIGINAL balcony scene that we were deprived. And please PD Nim - we're all mature viewers and won't be shock at what you had intended to share in Cuba.

You don't remember? The urgency of their kiss of course....hands all over....... I hope there'll be a flashback on this....   

 

Btw, I also love their conversation clarifying each other's 'imagination' about KJH's purpose in staying over during the chicken feet meal....plus KJH's pouted lips when CSH shoved him over saying he's too heavy.... lol.

 

As for JWS, you gals have great discussion about his motives and I enjoy reading all your views. For me, I can only surmise that he started with not too good intention, more like out of jealousy and wanting to 'win' CSH over by competing with KJH...but along the way, my guess is he could see KJH's sincerity and love for CSH. As he had done her a favor in the past to free her,  I think he would do that one more time....along the way, to redeem himself for not coming to her rescue when his mother was giving CSH hell.

[Far^away]

okay.. why am I quoting myself. Sorry.

 

To add something i like best from episode 11/12 (cant remember already) is when Jin Myung barged in singing. Hillarious! I can't forget how annoyed KJH is! 

[bebebisous33]

1 hour ago, nikir said:

Agree ..not from the start ..but am hoping that he will give up control as a parting gift once he realizes that they are meant to be and that he cannot protect her..

But I hope Monster in law, CSH's mother and Dir. Choi get the punishment they deserve ..I think being rejected by CSH will pbly be the biggest punishment for WS..but once he sees his mother in prison or brought down by society he may turn a new leaf...hope!! 

Well, I have to disagree with you on this. His intention was never to protect her... He has always been using that as an excuse, even when he started meddling in the affairs of Donghwa Hotel. He just wants to possess her. He knows from JMJ and the uncle that he has been blamed for not protecting CSH that's why he acts as if he is trying to protect her, this explains why the uncle agreed to side with JWS first. But his real intention is to have CSH, nothing more... so he doesn't need to realize that he can not protect her because it is not his true intention. He just needs to act as if he was protecting her, yet he allowed his mother to corner CSH. He didn't stop her and JWS was actually hoping, CSH would come to the death anniversary.

 

For me, JWS needs to realize that he has never truly loved her... it was more an obsession as he couldn't bear the thought that there was a woman who was not interested in him. Don't forget that we were told many times that JWS was really popular among women (l. f. ex. at the shop, where he met CSH per coincidence). 

 

@Far^away When I tagged you among others with my former reply, it was because you were discussing if JWS will give all his shares to CSH as he wants to help her and I didn't want to quote all the posts. I know that you had a similar point of view like me. I didn't misunderstand you.

[Yenung Joa]

In my opinion, JWS became the co-CEO to protect SH from his mother and MR.Choi and also to stay close to her. I think he doesn't want to overtake the hotel or force SH to be with him. I just can't see the malice in him (yes I'm totally biased).

 

Also here is the recap of Episode 12: https://www.asiandrama4u.com/encounter-episode-12-recap/

[Rainydays]

On 1/11/2019 at 8:42 AM, philosophie said:

I could see her running an art gallery. And succeeding effortlessly seeing how amazing she’s been as CEO. If she remains CEO till the end, that’s fine too, but this evil MIl and annoying ex hubby have a lot of redeeming to do. 

it would be nice to see CSH runs an art gallery and KJH as photographer in travel magazine where he's in the article before.

I also thought about CSH cut ties with Donghwa.. but then since she raised the hotel and not to mention other people who helped her run the hotel..

 

I'll have no exit too from KJH's charm, how to move on?

can I hope they will be partnered again in future drama ? (become drama couple like tom hanks and meg ryan) 

 

even the scene at the playground looked very romantic for me, both are very relaxed and with sweet background music..

[bebebisous33]

2 hours ago, rosiepeonie188 said:

 

How i cherish everyone in this forum.. each one of you gave thoughtful insights which not only relate to the drama but also very relatable to our own life.

Thank you for your beautiful words,

@roshzanna

 

In Woo Suk case, i agree, even if Woo Suk turn out to the noble idiot, trying to protect SH from his mom, he is however, doesn't need to hurt Jin Hyuk and So Hyun with his words. Even if it's in the name of Oppa's Love trying to find out whether Jin Hyuk worthy enough for Soo Hyun.

So Hyun on the other hand, i believe, she would choose to step down, rather than receive the remaining shares from Woo Sook. Remember how Woo Suk tried to help her with Sokcho painter? She decided not to accept as she know, she will forever be in Taegyong circle. 

 

I'm quoting Roshzanna here, 

 

It is when she has nothing that she finds the road to happiness, freedom, the love of her life.

You might be onto something: JWS might propose her the shares as a bait, just like he did with the painting but CSH refuses in order to cut ties definitely with him. She doesn't want to be indebted towards him because she knows, he would use it to bind her to him forever. He would keep mentioning this so that CSH would be forced to do him a favor.

[Far^away]

59 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

 

@Far^away When I tagged you among others with my former reply, it was because you were discussing if JWS will give all his shares to CSH as he wants to help her and I didn't want to quote all the posts. I know that you had a similar point of view like me. I didn't misunderstand you.

 Oh. Ditto!

 

anyway. 

 

Rewatching the episodes again, does anybody notice during a flashback scene where CSH send off JWS and her father in law to the car. 

 

In that scene, the only one who was smiling brightly was JWS and he even affectionately tapping her shoulder before going off. 

 

CSH has a blank look on her face and Chairwoman was giving her a serious side look. 

 

I wonder what was happening in that brief scene. I’m hoping for some clarification but am I asking too much? 

[bebebisous33]

6 minutes ago, Far^away said:

 Oh. Ditto!

 

anyway. 

 

Rewatching the episodes again, does anybody notice during a flashback scene where CSH send off JWS and her father in law to the car. 

 

In that scene, the only one who was smiling brightly was JWS and he even affectionately tapping her shoulder before going off. 

 

CSH has a blank look on her face and Chairwoman was giving her a serious side look. 

 

I wonder what was happening in that brief scene. I’m hoping for some clarification but am I asking too much? 

This underlines that as long as he had her by his side, he was happy. However, her coldness must have burdened him more and more.

[stardustvoid]

Amazing analysis chingus! Oh how I’m gonna miss all of these once the drama ends

 

Still on the fence about WS’ true intentions, but for his sake, I hope it favors SH and JH in the end

 

With 4 episodes left, I wonder how it’s all gonna tie in together but I’m confident the writer will do it beautifully. Seems like he/she has finally found her niche

 

I love, love the ending animation of episode 12 with the wolf disintegrating. Someone pointed out earlier that it could represent CSH’s past and I totally agree

 

I’d still want her to keep the hotel and be CEO but I’m also not opposed to the idea of her running away/pursuing other passions with JH. Operating the hotel in Cuba seems like a nice idea, although realistically I’m not sure if the actual living conditions in Havana will suit 2 people from a first world country

 

Oh, and CSH definitely booked a room for the lovers’ thing in March right? I hope that’s not a random PPL? PD owes us one from being such a tease LMAO

[bebebisous33]

I have been thinking about this:

- What if JWS proposes to CSH his shares willingly hoping that this bait might tempt her. However, CSH refuses like the painting as she doesn't want to be indebted to him.

- As reaction, JWS changes his tactics: he threatens her with this deal: she takes the shares and she can become the real owner of Donghwa Hotel, in return she needs to cut ties with JH. If she doesn't take the shares, then he will take away the hotel from her. 

[mellinadear]

1 hour ago, Far^away said:

okay.. why am I quoting myself. Sorry.

 

To add something i like best from episode 11/12 (cant remember already) is when Jin Myung barged in singing. Hillarious! I can't forget how annoyed KJH is! 

LOL Jin Myung is that annoying little brother. Some of us have siblings like that that ruin moments.

And him trying to Tattle tale to his parents about his hyung singing to his GF and JH bribing him.

The funny faces he makes behind their father.

It gave me a good laugh & brought back memories of my brother & I.