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I trully am sorry, for quote videos or pictures in several times. I am newbie in this field. So sorry:frown:

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14 minutes ago, chuscho said:

I trully am sorry, for quote videos or pictures in several times. I am newbie in this field. So sorry:frown:

 

Everyone makes mistakes dear...

 

When you get images, gifs & videos in your quotes next time, just simply click on them & hit delete. :innocent: It's so simple.. try it alone, ah..?! Don't get worried too much, OK..?! :blush: B'cause, we all are here for sharing Friendship & love, aren't we..?! :heart: The only thing you have to do is read "Soompi rules" & "follow them"...!! That's all!! And I think you should read them once!! Then NO worries at all, my friend..!! :wub:

 

And who said you are a newbie here..?! You are an idol :glasses:

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@kaedechan Yes, it was said that SWH's father was somehow abusive and we saw bruises on her face but remember that the caretaker said that the first person SWH killed was the one she loved the most. If he was so abusive, how can she love him the most? Actually, in her place I would hate him... During her conversation with her mother, she only resented her father for choosing to save his own life over his children's life. That's why I am not entirely buying the whole situation about SWH's past: 

- she was abused 

- she was abandoned by her mother because she couldn't handle her children.

The first thing she is always asking: are you angry? Even DI asked YW the same question... Why angry, when YW is about to die? In the last case, a normal person would have asked if she was afraid (afraid of dying). So the evilness is triggered by anger and sense of helplessness. It seems to me that they are referring to the unfairness and injustice. If so, then it means that SWH is angry because of a huge sense of injustice. So if her father decided to kill his children because of some injustice and SWH is aware of it. She would even get angrier... not only she was forced to make a choice but she had to kill someone whom she loved... because of someone else. Notice that she is doing the exact same thing to others. As an outsider, she pushes people to face a deadly dilemma. This would explain why the caretaker helped her for so long as she appeared as a victim.

@nona88 A good question indeed. Was DI the real target in the army or not? Like you, I am more inclined to believe in your second proposition. The son from that general could have been facing SWH and chose to kill sergeant Kim, since SWH said that no one except YR and DI's mother chose to commit suicide in order to protect themselves. Like you, I have the impression that the real target was that powerful family but what she didn't expect was that the son could escape his punishment due to his social status/family. That's how she learnt that she needed to change her strategy... she targeted LKW in a different way. Maybe she resents DI because he was the one who kept saying that there was some bullying. Indirectly he helped the powerful family to escape the punishment from the evil spirit, this would explain why now they are helping LDI indirectly. And this leads me to the conclusion, by helping LKW, YW and LDI are making the situation worse. SWH and the other evil spirit can stop feeling angry, if the main issue is solved: achieve some sense of justice.

 

@chuscho Don't worry too much about that. But just delete the pics in the future.

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10 hours ago, gm4queen said:

Hotness :love: .., I mean cuteness overloaded :heart:

 

Such a sweet picture!  But I have to admit that I was kinda captivated by his hands.  Beautiful.  

 

2 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

LDI, LKW and YW. Now, we have to figure out why she is always hurting them through someone else that is close to them. The last episode revealed that she always asked her victims to make a choice: save their life or kill themselves in order to save the person dear to them.

 

You made very important points in your post.  Thanks for that!  The connections here are so important, and I think we haven't got the last pieces of the puzzle yet. 

 

I mentioned in an earlier post that the Red Lady is trying to justify her own behavior in killing her dad--she doesn't understand love and why one person who sacrifice themselves for another.  She's still a kid, and she's seeking information in the unthinking and sometimes cruel way that a child does--like that scene where her child self was pulling the wings off the dragonflies.  If I recall properly, she said something about it not hurting.  Since RL is still in that "id" stage of childhood, she's really not clear about human feelings.  She is doing what gets a reaction but she is unaware of the emotional cost (and the emotional bravery of those who chose to die rather than kill--like DI's mom) of the people she harms.

 

2 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

We see two different people: the young SWH and the adult SWH. In my opinion, the younger version represents the real spirit of SWH, while the adult embodies not only the evil spirit but the spirit of another person.

 

That is a very interesting way to see this.  The young Red Lady is cruel without thinking and the older version is cruel with purpose.

 

1 hour ago, nona88 said:

So that makes me wounder why so much hate to give the  endless painshment, she don't seem really interesting in killing yw even when she could more than letting her suffering 

 

I think it goes back to that scene where she was pulling the wings off dragonflies.  She's needling YW; that's why she keeps asking her, "Are you angry?"  She's trying to provoke a reaction.

 

 

1 hour ago, kaedechan said:

I think SWH's mom abandoned her family because she felt her life's too tough, with abusive husband and a sick son, so she just decided to live by herself, eventhough she said to SWH that she was thinking of bringing her children with her, but she couldn't even provide herself well. So since then she felt so guilty of her children, especially since her son later died, that caused her to develop dementia.

 

You've said my thoughts exactly.

 

 

1 hour ago, gm4queen said:

And of course, who is Da Il dad..?! I am afraid we no clue about his dad... SWH's dad is surely abusive :blink:

 

While I was reading everyone's great and thoughtful posts, I had an idea.  I don't remember if anyone has suggested this before (and this is because I am watching too many dramas--this one is the best, of course).  This is probably completely wrong but what about our Control Tower, Han Sang Sub?  

 

We have connection upon connection between other major players but we don't have a lot of background with HSS.  He is so deeply fond of DI--is this more than a friendship?  Is there any chance that it could be parental concern?  

 

On a different note, I am also wondering if there are more connections somehow with our Coroner CW.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

@kaedechan Yes, it was said that SWH's father was somehow abusive and we saw bruises on her face but remember that the caretaker said that the first person SWH killed was the one she loved the most. If he was so abusive, how can she love him the most? Actually, in her place I would hate him... During her conversation with her mother, she only resented her father for choosing to save his own life over his children's life. That's why I am not entirely buying the whole situation about SWH's past: 

- she was abused 

- she was abandoned by her mother because she couldn't handle her children.

The first thing she is always asking: are you angry? Even DI asked YW the same question... Why angry, when YW is about to die? In the last case, a normal person would have asked if she was afraid (afraid of dying). So the evilness is triggered by anger and sense of helplessness. It seems to me that they are referring to the unfairness and injustice. If so, then it means that SWH is angry because of a huge sense of injustice. So if her father decided to kill his children because of some injustice and SWH is aware of it. She would even get angrier... not only she was forced to make a choice but she had to kill someone whom she loved... because of someone else. Notice that she is doing the exact same thing to others. As an outsider, she pushes people to face a deadly dilemma. This would explain why the caretaker helped her for so long as she appeared as a victim.

@nona88

 

Since the show didn't give enough background story of SWH's father, so i could only make an assumption that her father was probably only abusive to her mother, never to their children, but then mom run away, so he started abusing his children because of his anger and desperation of his situation. That could explain why SWH loved her father the most but in the end she killed him and resented her father when she knew her father was never planning to die together with his children, he wanted to live just by himself. Like i said, only my assumptions :D, i could totally be wrong :lol:

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7 minutes ago, kaedechan said:

 

Since the show didn't give enough background story of SWH's father, so i could only make an assumption that her father was probably only abusive to her mother, never to their children, but then mom run away, so he started abusing his children because of his anger and desperation of his situation. That could explain why SWH loved her father the most but in the end she killed him and resented her father when she knew her father was never planning to die together with his children, he wanted to live just by himself. Like i said, only my assumptions :D, i could totally be wrong :lol:

Actually, in her place I would have loved the brother the most, if the father became abusive after his wife left him. Moreover, the mother said that she wanted to come back but felt so guilty hence she didn't know how to face SWH. She never imagined that her husband would kill the children. If the father was violent with her, she could have assumed that his anger might change the target... Yes, she was neglected and we saw bruises on her face. Yet the mother never tried to blame her husband, when she met SWH.

 

Notice that the policeman who found her "killed himself". Why did she resent him?

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22 minutes ago, thistle said:

 

While I was reading everyone's great and thoughtful posts, I had an idea.  I don't remember if anyone has suggested this before (and this is because I am watching too many dramas--this one is the best, of course).  This is probably completely wrong but what about our Control Tower, Han Sang Sub?  

 

We have connection upon connection between other major players but we don't have a lot of background with HSS.  He is so deeply fond of DI--is this more than a friendship?  Is there any chance that it could be parental concern?

 

I never thought of that theory :o How did hyung end up with Da Il..?! May be b'cause of a past family connection or recommended by one of his friends..!. But if he's Da Il's father, then both should know that.. How are they unaware of it..?! Da Il's mom probably wouldn't have tell him about his father.. So Da Il doesn't know either.. This is fantastic... And by the way, they two are more like father & son :wub:

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6 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

Actually, in her place I would have loved the brother the most, if the father became abusive after his wife left him. Moreover, the mother said that she wanted to come back but felt so guilty hence she didn't know how to face SWH. She never imagined that her husband would kill the children. If the father was violent with her, she could have assumed that his anger might change the target... Yes, she was neglected and we saw bruises on her face. Yet the mother never tried to blame her husband, when she met SWH.

 

Notice that the policeman who found her "killed himself". Why did she resent him?

 

What i meant was at first her father was the one she loved the most, before everything happened, before mom ran away, before dad became abusive to his children. She had to take care of her sick brother and the household because of her mom's leaving and later she knew her father's "betrayal",  she became resentful of him. . I can't explain why her mom didn't think her children won't become her husband's target after she left, maybe she thought she could just go back and took the children with her someday, but then her situation didn't allowed her to do that, she said it to SWH herself, she could't even provide well for herself after she left the house ..

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1 hour ago, bebebisous33 said:

Actually, in her place I would have loved the brother the most, if the father became abusive after his wife left him. Moreover, the mother said that she wanted to come back but felt so guilty hence she didn't know how to face SWH. She never imagined that her husband would kill the children. If the father was violent with her, she could have assumed that his anger might change the target... Yes, she was neglected and we saw bruises on her face. Yet the mother never tried to blame her husband, when she met SWH.

 

Notice that the policeman who found her "killed himself". Why did she resent him?

 

It maybe the twist love, This can happen to love your abusive it happen in reality  especially talking about kid and family members to survive the abusive kid can react  different, some lose pain feeling, some hate the world , some blame themselves  and some think it normal and it  another kind of love  

I don't know if  will be true that the father was abusive the kids or  the wife , or if he was victim to something also too and maybe both  together , but all I say it happen in reality  life. kid who were abusing from family members some of them refuse  to hate them or  leave that person, they even sometime grow a kind of twist love that make them hate anyone or anything take that person from them ( it kind of ptsd,that why abusing kids  is a awful and unforgivable ithe not ending by saving  them )

 

We still know nothing about shw  and her family ; they  give answer  and open 10 questions so I will wait for next week to be sure, but one things is sure no matter what kind of family shw  has, it was the only family and the world she has and know , if they were wrong or right that didn't  matter to her all she thinks about how to prove  that she not the really monster not her and not her family , everyone is the same , everyone will make the same choices , it normal that what human are about  , she has also a list of target for her personal reasons too , but that more prove thay she did suffer some sort of abusing to have this twist thinking of human and world .

53 minutes ago, kaedechan said:

 

What i meant was at first her father was the one she loved the most, before everything happened, before mom ran away, before dad became abusive to his children. She had to take care of her sick brother and the household because of her mom's leaving and later she knew her father's "betrayal",  she became resentful of him. . I can't explain why her mom didn't think her children won't become her husband's target after she left, maybe she thought she could just go back and took the children with her someday, but then her situation didn't allowed her to do that, she said it to SWH herself, she could't even provide well for herself after she left the house ..

 

Everything can happen as I write above we know nothing for real , and there many twist reacting to harsh  reality  there is possibly that her father was the wrong one but she did choice to blame  the mother for everything  as her way to survive her father harsh treatment, 

 

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41 minutes ago, kaedechan said:

 

What i meant was at first her father was the one she loved the most, before everything happened, before mom ran away, before dad became abusive to his children. She had to take care of her sick brother and the household because of her mom's leaving and later she knew her father's "betrayal",  she became resentful of him. . I can't explain why her mom didn't think her children won't become her husband's target after she left, maybe she thought she could just go back and took the children with her someday, but then her situation didn't allowed her to do that, she said it to SWH herself, she could't even provide well for herself after she left the house ..

 

I may be wrong, but this is just my theory.. SWH's mom said SWH that (srry, I am copying your line) she could just go back and took them with her someday, but then her situation didn't allowed her to do that..!! I doubt that.. I feel like it's not her true-self.. She's also like her daughter.. SWH chose herself to survive, letting her dad die & SWH's mom also chose herself, letting her kids suffer alone.. So I think that, finally they both had done the same thing individually.. And SWH's anger for his mom was started earlier when she left them but, SWH's anger for his father started when she was given a poisoned drink by her father.. 

 

Just my theory.. Just correct me if I am wrong..!!

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@nona88 @kaedechan @gm4queen Yes, we definitely don't know the whole story about SWH and her family. YW came to the conclusion that she was abused because of her scars and bruises... the article in the newspaper mentioned the abuse too. But like we saw it, articles can not be trusted. Moreover, why would SWH commit suicide after hearing some words from the caretaker? She chose to survive and later she chose to kill herself... Why? She was underaged, she would not have been prosecuted. Moreover, the article said that the father tried to kill his whole family... so she wasn't presented as a perpetrator. From my point of view, there is something missing. To me, there has to be some connection between LKW and that powerful family from Myungjang Daily. We could see that this family is able to control the media.

Besides, we shouldn't forget that Baek recommended LDI to LKW and Baek has been working for that powerful family... so they saw some benefit in LDI's work as the one who protected them the best. Striking is that LKW has never tried to find out too much. He just let them protect him...

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7 hours ago, chuscho said:

I trully am sorry, for quote videos or pictures in several times. I am newbie in this field. So sorry:frown:

 

We all make that mistake when we're new. Don't be embarrassed.  Keep on posting!

 

Feel better.  Here's a cookie:  :cookie:

 

1 hour ago, nohamahamoud2002 said:

 

(image of girl and DI)

 

 

Eeek!  Is that SWH with DI?

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5 hours ago, thistle said:

Eeek!  Is that SWH with DI?

That is the 1st episode missing gal. :smile:

 

23 hours ago, gm4queen said:

Hotness :love: .., I mean cuteness overloaded :heart:

No doubt, he'll be a perfect dad for his kids... :wub:

OMG, please tell me this is their kid.. Is their happy ending~~~~

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9 minutes ago, Heidi Seow said:

That is the 1st episode missing gal. :smile:

 

Thanks!  I must be too worried about conspiracies and plot lines so that I think SWH is gonna show up everywhere.  :sweatingbullets::lol:

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13 minutes ago, thistle said:

 

Thanks!  I must be too worried about conspiracies and plot lines so that I think SWH is gonna show up everywhere.  :sweatingbullets::lol:

Me too! :sweat_smile: Always double and triple look for new clues. Seriously I think there is missing puzzles that writer-nim and PD-nim not yet appear in drama.. Is Monday now and I really cant wait for Wednesday! 

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2 hours ago, Heidi Seow said:

 

OMG, please tell me this is their kid.. Is their happy ending~~~~

 

I want that too... :heart:

WOW...They would be so sweet if they end up with a baby, but it can be a random baby from the set also :huh: Let's ask him whose the baby is..!!

 

And can't wait for Wednesday....!!!!!! :relaxed:

 

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