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10 minutes ago, sushilicious said:

Ahn Nae Sang was in maids too. That emperor, I don’t like him in maids...KDW is in that too, his character also...hm...his emotions are great in that but just the character...Ah. Too naive haha.

 

@Wotad it’s lovely and nice even though it handles dark contents. Haha. The suspicion game is high in this drama. :) 

 

 

will have to find somewhere to watch it then with good subs ;p

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52 minutes ago, Wotad said:

how is this show? is it scary or what. 

 

where does everyone watch it ? 

Welcome!

 

We love it here!

 

It's dealing with dark and heavy materials here like possession and exorcism and it's scary (for me).

If you want to have your brain fried, have a good jump in your seat and the occasional goosebumps... watch this! :lol:

 

P.S: only shipping of the bromance here! :love:

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11 minutes ago, mrsj3n said:

Welcome!

 

We love it here!

 

It's dealing with dark and heavy materials here like possession and exorcism and it's scary (for me).

If you want to have your brain fried, have a good jump in your seat and the occasional goosebumps... watch this! :lol:

 

P.S: only shipping of the bromance here! :love:

I love OCN's drama last year called Save Me so hope this is as good ;p where do you watch this?? 

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27 minutes ago, mrsj3n said:

P.S: only shipping of the bromance here! :love:

Hwa Pyung and Choi Yoon are like couple goals. Haha. :ph34r:

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I am giving up to write the full length narration of my opinions on the events happening according to timeline chronological order since PID time. It's too lengthy (sigh). I am just gonna randomly throw some of my thoughts in the following points:

 

  • After watching episode 14 and the preview for next week, I am 70% leaning towards the Haraboji as PID (or the vessel of PID) all along, and Father Yang is just PID's right-hand man and worshiper. I might be wrong and overthinking :lol:. But, I am making the assumption based on many scenes that seems to be supporting this theory: 1) Priest Choi last words that said PID still in the Haraboji's house; 2) HP's dad said that Haraboji is PID at the inn; 3) Before being possessed for the second time and jump off the bridge, HP's dad asked HP to run as far away as he can (without asking him to bring Haraboji along). The facial expressions he had when he was about to tell HP the truth about PID looks like someone who just got betrayed by someone real close such as a family member. 4) PID materializes itself in front of HP in the hospital where Haraboji is warded + we never knew whether it was really HP's dad that stabbed Haraboji; 5) the "thing" is buried under Haraboji's house yard, something that YK could recognize right away (I am still wondering what is that "thing"); 6) After YK died, HP sat beside the comatose Haraboji, telling him that YK, the shaman his Haraboji didn't like because YK is too strong has passed away;  7) Haraboji, who could not ride cars has been travelling back and forth to Sangyong City to meet someone (or actually to possess people?); 8) If Father Yang is not lying, Haraboji might have really went to meet Father Yang, but not to counsel HP's father, instead to arrange tactics to deceive HP using his father as the pawn. 9) Haraboji disappeared from his bed at the end of episode 14 + in the preview, Priest Yang holds someone hands which seems to me Haraboji's - from the jacket. 10) Father Yang keeps mentioning that HP is distracted and could not see the truth and what's real - which something like "PID is right under your nose, kid!"   I am wondering why did HP was sent away to distant relatives, why his Haraboji not taking care of him? Was it really because he want to keep HP away from PID, or he actually doesn't want HP to know his changes / activities? Well, this is just my assumption. Sorry to those who are on Haraboji's side. Haha. :phew:  But remember, demon/devil/Satan, it is their nature to deceive and to pretend. We all might have been deceived all this time for 14 episodes! :w00t:  Perhaps, that's the reason the staffs/casts said there will be a great twist. :rolleyes:  At the same time, I hope my assumption is wrong, because..... poor HP :tears:

 

  • In the preview of next week's episode, the trio are meeting an old man on wheelchair. I am suspecting that old man might be the boy who survived in the well. He might have the key on how to vanquish PID. Who knows... :rolleyes:

 

  • Through Seo Yoon's arc (psychic little girl), among the information that can be gathered is that: 1) a psychic's body is the perfect host/vessel for demon; 2) a psychic seems to be easily controlled if they succumb to the demon(?). Well, looking at how Seo Yoon allowed/invite all the evil spirits in the house, and then get possessed by just letting them all inside her; 3) the biggest advantage of a psychic is that he/she can see the demon who possessed the person as it is, not as a person, while others can't. There might be two contradicting reasons why PID obsessing over HP: 1) for reason no 1 and 2 above. When the possessed Det. Go whispering things to him, he seems to lose himself. When Mateo doing the exorcism to Det. Go, Det. Go did not only trying to cancel the prayer's effect by questioning and mocking Mateo's suspicions and reversing the incantations, but he also directed the reversed incantations to HP to get something out of him. Perhaps to get him into trance and kill Mateo;  2) On the other hand, HP will also be the reason to PID's doom. When the effect of exorcism completely wears off, HP psychic ability returns and he can identify who is the real PID. HP has been quite strong in his will to resist from following PID's desire. I think he has been resisting him too 20 years ago. So, PID is desperate to make him change his perspectives and be the vessel, otherwise, killing HP is the only solution for PID's survival.  Since the blind female shaman suppressed HP's ability along with PID's energy, I think, PID has been controlling the inferior spirits to do his "dirty job" killings human to absorb the dark power to regain his "strength". And thus, the effect of the suppression to HP's psychic ability cracked (because the concept is that HP is linked with PID's). 

 

  • I think PID during his lifetime is a psycho or megalomaniac (which inherited by PHJ:rolleyes:) who succumbed to the devil's whispers and promises, or perhaps even made a contract with the devil to kill in order to be powerful by becoming a superior spirit (not just any spirit). That's why he has been on blood lust and killing without no reason, and has been talking about how he is different, from other world and he need to kill his family in order to be revived as something else. 

 

 

Does anyone having premonition that the writer will shadily (ooppsss!) ends the drama with HP as PID? <_<

 

p/s: I saw the teaser for the new medical exorcism drama (The Priest). I saw in the teaser they recite the incantations in Latin~! :w00t: (Or did I hear it wrong?). I think I am going to watch The Priest too. It will be a Saturday-Sunday drama after The Player. The thread is already available here. See you guys there in November~! Haha! :phew:

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@ellelyana88 I really enjoyed reading your post and I am thinking exactly like you. Haraboji has to be PID, moreover I would like to add two points why it has to be the haraboji:

- Notice that when HP revealed his shaman powers, just right after we witnessed the return of possessed people. And this is not a coincidence. So only the grandfather recognized and accepted his shaman powers. It was not revealed among the villagers.

- Secondly, we shouldn't forget that the harabogi has been targeted twice by possessed people. He was stabbed each time... There is not a better way to divert attention and suspicion... Striking is that the moment HP got suspicious of his grandfather, a day later HP's father stabbed him which changed HP's behaviour towards his grandfather. This incident made him look like a victim and made him forget about the possibility that priester Choi might have revealed the truth: PID was still in the house. 

- Thirdly, this would explain why father Yang visited HP's house back then. In front of the father, it was to do some exorcism but in reality, father Yang had to come in order to see why HP couldn't become possessed at all. If father Yang was already a demon and the right hand of PID, the latter wanted to have his opinion. So the exorcism was the excuse for Yang to pop up. 

Like you pointed out, a psychich person is the perfect host for a demon but it wasn't working on HP. He even hurt himself which proves that HP was conscious to a certain extent. Yang said that he was not possessed which can be partially true. Then the moment father Yang left the house, HP feels as if the demon has left his body. Yet, we didn't see him spiking out some water like with the other possessed persons. Either this could be seen as a clue that HP had not been entirely possessed or that HP's psychic powers are really strong. Finally, we discover that the haraboji incited the father to "kill" his son so that HP left home. This way, he made sure that HP would only trust him, the haraboji. One by one, HP lost his relatives and got isolated. HP liked his grandfather more and more which is PID exactly wanted. 

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1 hour ago, bebebisous33 said:

Finally, we discover that the haraboji incited the father to "kill" his son so that HP left home. This way, he made sure that HP would only trust him, the haraboji. One by one, HP lost his relatives and got isolated. HP liked his grandfather more and more which is PID exactly wanted

 

I forgot to write about the third point you point out above. After HP's dad died, in fact, when he just got possessed, I realized that the one who lied about who else left in the room with HP 20 years ago was Haraboji. He was inciting HP's dad to kill HP, then suddenly stopped him in front of HP, in order to make HP resent his dad and his dad left home. Haraboji also has been avoiding HP's question why he did not run away like his dad. Hmm..

 

I was actually wrote an even extreme assumption (but then deleted it) that Haraboji has been with PID's vessel since he witnessed Lee Chul Yong floating on the sea for 3 days. PID might have went to him. 

It is bugging me that all the possession and death to HP's family occurred right after the extended family know HP is a psychic. Think about the first episode. The first relative that got possessed was perhaps PID's way to confirm HP's ability. However, this theory also can be debunked by the fact that, the young HP should have seen PID in his granpa. 

So, Haraboji might be PID since just 20 years ago, not since 60 years ago. Haha! (Too extreme). 

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43 minutes ago, ellelyana88 said:

 

I forgot to write about the third point you point out above. After HP's dad died, in fact, when he just got possessed, I realized that the one who lied about who else left in the room with HP 20 years ago was Haraboji. He was inciting HP's dad to kill HP, then suddenly stopped him in front of HP, in order to make HP resent his dad and his dad left home. Haraboji also has been avoiding HP's question why he did not run away like his dad. Hmm..

 

I was actually wrote an even extreme assumption (but then deleted it) that Haraboji has been with PID's vessel since he witnessed Lee Chul Yong floating on the sea for 3 days. PID might have went to him. 

It is bugging me that all the possession and death to HP's family occurred right after the extended family know HP is a psychic. Think about the first episode. The first relative that got possessed was perhaps PID's way to confirm HP's ability. However, this theory also can be rebunked by the fact that, the young HP should have seen PID in his granpa. 

So, Haraboji might be PID since just 20 years ago, not since 60 years ago. Haha! (Too extreme). 

Well, the thing is that HP didn't show any psychic power until that day... so we have to imagine that his psychic powers were not so developed hence he couldn't recognize if someone was possessed. Moreover, he had no real knowledge about possession. He didn't realize it when the man got possessed either. So the haraboji might have already been PID but he was able to hide his true nature. However, when HP showed his true abilities, then this could have be seen by the haraboji as a thread and a chance to increase his power. I guess, he never thought that HP would be able to "reject" him. HP was not entirely possessed by PID. This explains why he saw a dark shadow in the corner of the room. I am still doubting that HP killed his mother and grandmother.  

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2 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

Well, the thing is that HP didn't show any psychic power until that day... so we have to imagine that his psychic powers were not so developed hence he couldn't recognize if someone was possessed. Moreover, he had no real knowledge about possession. He didn't realize it when the man got possessed either. So the haraboji might have already been PID but he was able to hide his true nature. However, when HP showed his true abilities, then this could have be seen by the haraboji as a thread and a chance to increase his power. I guess, he never thought that HP would be able to "reject" him. HP was not entirely possessed by PID. This explains why he saw a dark shadow in the corner of the room. I am still doubting that HP killed his mother and grandmother.  

That’s a lot of words haha @bebebisous33 &  @ellelyana88 But I loved it! 

 

I love the theories that the both of you are spilling out, it brings so much possibilities to the drama but I guess we can only know of it’s right or wrong till the end of it, but to continue the two of your theories...I think that if HP knows that Haraboji is PID, he will definitely find ways to save him, because Haraboji is his only closest blood relative left. So based on his personalities, he will ask CY to exorcise him, so that they can save Haraboji and Kill PID.

 

But due to old age, CY might disagree to do it, because Haraboji might actually die, then PID will win, so HP who is always reckless will possibly say that “Let me handle it to save everyone” so he will take on PID himself, basically allowing PID to enter him, and take the exorcism JUST to save Haraboji and the exorcism will start...

 

1)if the writer say let’s make it intense, we can probably see a parallel edit in which two things are happening together at the same time (Exorcism scene and HP trying to fight PID in him scene) and it succeeded in killing PID (End) 2) the writer is like “Let’s make a sad scene.” Then probably HP will sacrifice himself because a theory of it’s better to have one person to sacrifice himself than hundreds of innocent people dying under PID possession. (End)

 

3)Another ending that Would make everyone happy if they want a sequel, is they end of with a cliffhanger, in which HP kills himself then like a year later, while GY and CY still searching for HP, HP appears in the crowd, but with a dark expression (Which meant PID still survived) and it ends.

 

So many possibilities..

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We overthink too much. LOL

 

I really really think they gonna do the anti-climatic way to destroy PID.

That is destroy what was buried and PID will be gone. :lol:

 

1 hour ago, Wotad said:

watched the first two episodes and this drama is insane the tension is so crazy .

 

Its not scary it's just 10/10 thriller and tension. 

So.. will you continue? ^_^

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22 minutes ago, mrsj3n said:

We overthink too much. LOL

 

I really really think they gonna do the anti-climatic way to destroy PID.

That is destroy what was buried and PID will be gone. :lol:

Oh no, hope that won’t be it. We have gone so far, if that’s really the case... it’s like a bird flying mid sky and it decided to crash land on to the ground <=That will be our brains.

 

We over think cause it’s addictive! We have a addiction on a drug called drama. We are willing to deep fry our brain just to squeeze out theories! It’s worth it!:open_mouth: From time to time, our brain might malfunction due to big intakes of shocks and twist, but it’s fine!

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@bebebisous33 and @ellelyana88 Amazing thoughts! I really enjoy reading your posts there.. :kiss_wink: If Grandpa turned out to be PID, that's will be the biggest twist ever. Your explanations are very sensible and clicked with all the situations in the story. At the end, grandpa just like PID, have his wife and son killed (WOW!) I re-watched ep 14 again and to my surprised, now just like you said, PY looked like someone that do errand for PID. Like someone said in this forum, he's the CLEANER (for any mess in order to achieve the PID's ultimate goal). :lol: However, I believed PY was possessed too, a complete possession by PID's loyal minion,(maybe Lee chul Yeong, his driver?). When Mateo put a cross over PY's head, I saw blooded veins under PY's hand skin, just like other possessed victims.

And from Grandpa-Hp and PY-Choi Yoon's relationship, I found out the superior demons are love to give "FAKE and Manipulative" fatherly love, they are highly composed in grooming and waiting for their targets to be ripen(LOL), they are excellent liars and possessed good acting skills

 

I saw the latest bts, where Kim Jae Wook was crying during he's acting at YG's place. I don't understand Korean.. Can someone enlighten me why did he cry? did he cry because of HP's fate?

And then OCN made this post.. awww my heart..

 

While they make another cute post about how tsundere Gil Young is. (I love OCN's  female characters.. they are very strong, funny and quirky. Gil Young is now on top list of my favorite female character (it replaced Kang Ha Ram's Black, Hahahaha)

 

 

Haven't I talked how much I love Jung Eun Chae's acting? I really love her character here... episode 13 was the best episode for her acting! I keep rewatching her scenes and fall in love with her acting. The way she expressed the emotions of Kang Gil Young :wub:. I love her little change too in ep 14. She's still a super tsundere girl but she changed to so much soften towards HP and CY and her senior. The way she talks and her attitude towards the boys, swoooon... I love her! When HP was attending her in emergency room, I kinda shouted  to HP. "HP, don't you see how beautiful the lady in front of you?" LOL I really want to see HP reaction if GY change her hairstyle and dress up little bit right after they are done with PID, but again I think HP will be more attracted to Mateo who left his Black Priest Suit since Mateo would be kicked out of the church. :tounge_xd:    

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I was the one who said that PY is like a cleaner..Honestly when i look at PY cleaning i was like oh, his a cleaner haha

 

Anyways..@aoikarin as much as i love Gil Young, but the love between Waffle Boy and My Chan boy is good. Especially, the behind the scenes where they hugged...Held hands up the hill...Laughing together...

 

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*Screams Silently*

 

Drunk In their love...Puns..

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@sushilicious Hahaha I love your "CLEANER" Term.. and it's really FUNtastic reading you 3 alternatives ending.. But, I really hope a happy ending so I can remember it as a very worthy to be rewatched thriller drama in the future. 

 

I had a wish that at the end HP and GY will be together, but I realised the bromance scenes in the drama and in bts are much more appealing than never happened romance between GY and either HP or CY. Just like  you, support their bromance! *screams silently with you*

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Rewatch ep 14, wow the scene in church when Mateo tries to read along with priest Yang is sooo daebak! Kudos to the editing crew! Besides the plot and actors, i really love the edit of this drama! It feels like im watching a movie with lots of good angles and scenes. Also, the edit successfully deliever the mysterious and tensed feeling of the drama!

 

besides being curious who is the real PID, i also want to know how Park Hong Joo will be arrested. As priest Yang possesses Kim  Shin Cha and makes her suicide in front of the police, it will be concluded that Kim Shin Cha kills herself, not Park Hong Joo! (Smart move from cleaner Yang haha)

 

Park Hong Joo again, is proved innocent after killing people. And we can see how GY’s boss scared of her political power despite having the record as evident.

 

so, just curious how PHJ will be arrested. Maybe GY is the one who does that? To complete what her mother couldnt 20 years ago?

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9 minutes ago, gongcha said:

so, just curious how PHJ will be arrested. Maybe GY is the one who does that? To complete what her mother couldnt 20 years ago?

That PHJ will get what she did. What goes around comes around. I see her in a mental asylum soon, she is going to be in the white cubicle and just hallucinating about PID, as she covers her ears in fear of being attacked...

 

Spoiler

...I hope PHJ dies.:)Just kidding 

 

I honestly hate her a lot. The actress did a great job in acting out the hateful character.

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30 minutes ago, sushilicious said:

That PHJ will get what she did. What goes around comes around. I see her in a mental asylum soon, she is going to be in the white cubicle and just hallucinating about PID, as she covers her ears in fear of being attacked...

 

 

I'm gonna bet on her going to the asylum seeing how crazy she has become.

 

Or is it too much to ask for her to be possessed and grand uncle dearest did justice to everyone out there by getting her poke her right eye and die? 

LOL

 

I swear I'm not evil.

I really am not. :innocent:

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1 hour ago, mrsj3n said:

I'm gonna bet on her going to the asylum seeing how crazy she has become.

 

Or is it too much to ask for her to be possessed and grand uncle dearest did justice to everyone out there by getting her poke her right eye and die? 

LOL

 

I swear I'm not evil.

I really am not. :innocent:

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YES! Let the grand uncle do it!

(haha) It's funny how as i was typing this the lighting strikes.

HAHA :naughty:

 

I am not evil too, we are not evil, all we have is just little Park Il do in all of us. :naughty: 

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8 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

Well, the thing is that HP didn't show any psychic power until that day... so we have to imagine that his psychic powers were not so developed hence he couldn't recognize if someone was possessed. Moreover, he had no real knowledge about possession. He didn't realize it when the man got possessed either. So the haraboji might have already been PID but he was able to hide his true nature. However, when HP showed his true abilities, then this could have be seen by the haraboji as a thread and a chance to increase his power. I guess, he never thought that HP would be able to "reject" him. HP was not entirely possessed by PID. This explains why he saw a dark shadow in the corner of the room. I am still doubting that HP killed his mother and grandmother.  

 

I have doubted that HP really was possessed by PID 20 years ago, looking at how he looked at the corner of the room and PID has been telling him not to tell other people. He was shaking, to me more of looking scared than being possessed. A child who can't yet understand the meaning of other entities and possession. He was scared looking at PID's appearance and has been resisting him from possessing him, hence the bruises. I think it was because of his psychic ability that he is able to see through PID's mind. Hence, he became PID's object of obsession.

It is true that once a demon have targeted a person, it will go all the way to get that person until it get a grip of that person soul. If a demon is banished from a possessed person without binding words of promise that it will never harm any human again (this is usual procedure in Islamic Exorcism), the demon might come back 7 times stronger or in number to the same person, hence making the second exorcism more intense.

 

 

I deleted my theory about Haraboji might be with PID since 60 years ago because I went soft-hearted to accuse him too far. Hahaha! :lol:  However, I made that theory not without underlying basis. I have my doubt over Haraboji has been with PID for 60 years because there was nothing in the timeline for 40 years after the LCY event, before the tragedy in HP's, Mateo and GY family. It makes no sense PID doing nothing within that long time of period. Hmmm..

 

I reconstructed the drama's timeline as in the following picture, based on what have been gathered so far until episode 14. 

 

 

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So, here's my version of hypothetical situation that might've occurred after LCY incident. PID went Haraboji body and Haraboji being young might've succumbed to PID. Thus, being in complete possession which enable him to pretend to live like human being. Actually, it was HP's grandmother who was from the direct lineage of shaman hereditary. It is possible that their lineage have strong shamanic power. Okay, this is totally my fictional thinking. But, I am suspecting, Haraboji might've married HP's grandmother to keep them in check (wow, my imagination is running wild! :w00t:) and actually have been keep controlling other inferior spirits to do kill humans elsewhere or actually nearby but to no one notice. Does it cross anyone's mind that the bald unnie screaming beside Haraboji in episode 1 was actually died from being harmed by Haraboji-PID? I've known someone with lung cancer, but I never saw them screaming like that :blink: (But then again, considering the year, the medical knowledge of reducing the pain caused by cancer was not attained yet). They said that Unnie was screaming because it was painful. I am just thinking that, was it painful because of the possession instead of the cancer? (Haha, I am totally frying my brain here :P).

 

 

Anyway, that's the fun of having this thread, to have all the fun throwing some ideas, opinions, and theories regarding the drama. Hahahah! Some people might not like the progress of this drama. However, for me, I am giving OCN the chance since it is the first drama in Kdramaland to do this kind of genre. It's like "Exorcism 101". I am expecting next drama, The Priest would show more intense exorcism. The Latin incantations shown in the teaser has getting me hooked and going to join on board in the thread next!:ph34r:

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