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I sense that for KTW, this mission will become the trigger for him to question his belief that a NSI agent has always to follow his orders. Remember that he criticized GHR because she disobeyed him. He said that he wanted to test her if he could trust her. For him, trust means that the agent has been faithfully following orders, it also means to never question the superiors.

KTW never wondered why they had to investigate a certain office at the NSI agency.... and see the video was infected by a virus. KTW is the one who receives the order to get rid of CDG and the witness KWJ but he won't do it. That's why Min is forced to send an intervention FT to Morocco.

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5 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

I sense that for KTW, this mission will become the trigger for him to question his belief that a NSI agent has always to follow his orders. Remember that he criticized GHR because she disobeyed him. He said that he wanted to test her if he could trust her. For him, trust means that the agent has been faithfully following orders, it also means to never question the superiors.

KTW never wondered why they had to investigate a certain office at the NSI agency.... and see the video was infected by a virus. KTW is the one who receives the order to get rid of CDG and the witness KWJ but he won't do it. That's why Min is forced to send an intervention FT to Morocco.

 

I missed the part where he said he wanted to test her if he could trust her. In which ep did it happen? Huhu

 

KTW has shown that he was against NIS covering up the plane crash. He had an elaborate plan to allow Haeri to get the pendrive and he also had a recording of his conversation with Haeri and sent it to a politician(?) to spread it out. So in some sense, he was disobeying his superior's instructions to cover up the case. But at the same time I do think he wired himself to go by the book and right procedures after he lost his partner due to a small rule violation. (His loss in ep 8 is worse. He lost his whole team. May he be able to recover when reality sinks in later. Poor team lead Ki)

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I don't think his belief in trust is for agents to faithfully follow orders and never question superiors....since he questions his superiors too and he orchastrated the whole audio recording library scene.

 

From the way I see it, he doesn't trust Hae Ri at all but he also never gave a chance for her to fit in. He disagreed with the idea of babysitting a flamboyant rookie agent who is a bad drunk and in general hard to control. And it reflects on how he treats her. The problem is...Hae Ri has shown she is untrustworthy agent so far. She is a blabbermouth and reveals secrets to a civilian. I kinda understand KTW's apprehension to both Hae Ri and Dal Gun. They are too enthusiastic in situations that are gravely dangerous and both (mostly Haeri) are breaking rules. 

 

KTW is already doubting NIS, he even wanted to quit. This Morocco case might break his loyalty to NIS. On the other hand....I secretly want KTW to go dark and be an agent with a painkiller addiction instead hahaha.

 

 

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@katakwasabi The conversation about trust with GHR was in the episode 8.

 

Maybe I didn't express myself very well. KTW might argue with his superiors but in the end, he will follow the orders. So "stick to the rules" is his motto. Sending the recorded conversation to an assemblyman from the opposition indicates that he still believes in the actual system, hence he needs to get the support from the opposition. He somehow believes that his superior was forced by the government but there is more to it. He hasn't realized the deepness of corruption in the NSI and the government. 

 

In reality, I am even suspecting that this plane crash could have been orchestrated in order to get rid of the toxic elements at the NSI and the government. Let us not forget that we have two incidents involving the NSI that showed how hypocritical and ruthless the superiors at the NSI and the governement were:

  • the loss of KTW's friend: the operation command violated a small rule.
  • the case with the defectors from North Korea. These were promised something from the SK governement, yet in the end they were abandoned.   

This makes me wonder if in reality the true cause of his friend's death has been covered up. The command took the blame for it. As for the defectors, Kang was the one who got blamed. He is seen by the rogue soldiers as a traitor. But what if in reality, they had planned all along to trick the defectors in order to turn them into soldiers who would do the dirty work without being officials. Notice the pattern: the MO is always to present a scapegoat. Now, KJW and his wife will be the ones blamed for the plane crash (to get money through life insurance).

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@bebebisous33 is it the conversation at the prison?

 

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At first I thought he was doubting her abilities in ep 7...but when he said this in ep 8, I think he never questioned her abilities but had issues with her attitude. And thinking about it...you're right...KTW does follow orders well, he disputes but he still does it. Maybe that's his beef with Haeri, she keeps breaking rules. Luckily for Haeri, her rule breaking worked in her favour and no one got killed or gravely injured.

 

17 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

In reality, I am even suspecting that this plane crash could have been orchestrated in order to get rid of the toxic elements at the NSI and the government. 

Uuu...so you suspect that the plane crash is orchestrated for the better good? Killing a group of people to right a corrupted system and save lives of many others in the future. Very interesting and I like it, it's a very skewed way of thinking what is right and what is wrong ala Robin Hood haha. Who do you think is the evil/good mastermind? 

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1 hour ago, bebebisous33 said:

 

 

In reality, I am even suspecting that this plane crash could have been orchestrated in order to get rid of the toxic elements at the NSI and the government. 

 

This reminds me of Designated Survivor 60 days, which they said they bombed the building for some greater good ??

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In episode 8

How Netflix killed logic in the drama :lol::mrgreen:

They send their special agent 

 

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On 10/13/2019 at 11:23 AM, katakwasabi said:

@bebebisous33 is it the conversation at the prison?

 

 

At first I thought he was doubting her abilities in ep 7...but when he said this in ep 8, I think he never questioned her abilities but had issues with her attitude. And thinking about it...you're right...KTW does follow orders well, he disputes but he still does it. Maybe that's his beef with Haeri, she keeps breaking rules. Luckily for Haeri, her rule breaking worked in her favour and no one got killed or gravely injured.

 

Uuu...so you suspect that the plane crash is orchestrated for the better good? Killing a group of people to right a corrupted system and save lives of many others in the future. Very interesting and I like it, it's a very skewed way of thinking what is right and what is wrong ala Robin Hood haha. Who do you think is the evil/good mastermind? 

Yes, that was this scene.  For KJW, reliability is important because it requires trust too. KJW has to trust GHR in order to rely on her. But his problem is that he didn't actually trust her ability, although he said the opposite. The proof is that he told her that she couldn't force the NSI director to change the order (episode 5).  And even if she succeeded once, in his eyes, this didn't prove her abilities. He just saw it as a one time thing. Maybe his behavior is linked to the friend's death, deep down he fears that she might die as he doesn't want to lose someone close to his heart.

 

As for my theory (for the greater good, sacrifice is necessary), I came to this idea because I observed that more and more people at the NSI are forced to take sides indicating that their loyalty is no longer bound to their country but to their superior. Even Shadow is forced to intervene more and more which means that at some point, he will stand in the light, he won't be a shadow any longer. So far, his identity has not been confirmed and the good guys don't even know about his existence: the Shadow, the puppet master.

 

Strangely, I can not help myself thinking about the downfall of the Roman republic. Back then, corruption had infiltrated so much the government so that the latter neglected its commoners/normal citizens. These were suffering from poverty and unemployment due to the expansion of Roman Empire: increase of slaves, importation of cheap cereals from the new provinces aso. At some point, Marius introduced a reform of the army in order to improve the life of many impoverished peasants. The Civilian army was turned into a professional army which changed the nature of the relationship between the consul (military commander) and his soldiers. From now on, the soldiers didn't fight for Roman republic but for their consul... Their salary and reward were linked to their consul, at the end the consuls started fighting against each other. And here I can see some parallels between the Roman army and the NSI. NSI is divided, the agents are forced to choose a side, they don't care if their actions are right or wrong. At the same time, their actions are legitimated "for the sake of the country" while in reality, it is for the benefit of certain people, in this case the president and his Chief secretary Yun.   

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3 minutes ago, Ameera Ali said:

How Netflix killed logic in the drama :lol::mrgreen:

You're so right! :lol: Also, I was rolling my eyes when the commies from North Korea and Jessica's team were using high powered guns to fire at them while they were inside a non-bulletproof car and the important characters didn't die, AND they were also able to kill the enemies just with hand gun?! 

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Watching ep 8...  how are the  NIS agents  even alive with all the attacks!!!!! Mr Gu would be dead already in the car... haiz...

 

Somehow the bullets never went though the doors of their car.... logic logic... 

 

And cha Dal on knows the way to the Korean Embassy in Morrocco.... haiz...

 

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2 hours ago, lollyminx said:

You're so right! :lol: Also, I was rolling my eyes when the commies from North Korea and Jessica's team were using high powered guns to fire at them while they were inside a non-bulletproof car and the important characters didn't die, AND they were also able to kill the enemies just with hand gun?! 

 

Hahaha!

 

Specky wanted a neat and quiet funeral...

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But we were served with a bazooka and machine guns. How on earth is this neat and quiet? Hahahaha

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And yes..they should have all died. The car wasn't even bulletproof. I noticed several funny moments like an assassin got shot on his bulletproof vest and bled out. Also Kim Woo Gi was shot from behind, but his wound was in front. Hahahahahahahaha!

 

Logic out of the window with this one. But it was entertaining no doubt. Better than then the cheesetastic high 5 scene.

 

@bebebisous33 my interpretation of the library scene was he was using reverse psychology on her. Which worked. But he's also aware that she can easily be silenced like what happened after the reveal. She was told to keep quiet by Min and pretend as if nothing happened and she did keep quiet. KTW just sat there knowing he'll take the blame and even said he did it. Unlike many...I don't see KTW liking or caring or being protective of Haeri. As of ep 8 KTW doesn't seem to care for her more than he should. He treats her just like a colleague and at times as an outsider. Thanks for the roman empire comparison, it was an interesting read :)

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@Lawyerh , @ktcjdrama sassy agent , get her chance to step on someone like her boss  do to her mentally  :joy:

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* thank for therapy session :joy:

 

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I chose to watch this show for the mindless entertainment and so far it has pleased me in that arena.  In that, I do not have to think just ignore the reality of how some of the scenes do not make sense.  However, I am surprised at how dumb they are making the NIS Agents and some characters to be especially when they are supposed to be seasoned veterans.  It has reached the point where CDG appears much smarter than them as well as GHR a "rookie" .  Case in point the whole who gets Kim Wool gi first, there are several flaws with this and top add several cherries on the top - the ambush, the man goes into cardiac arrest and only GHR had the common sense to read the man's personal and professional profile to know his blood type.  I also find it strange that they did not know he was a drug addict, if there were rumors about this as the bad guy Jerome told the dead VP why isn't this info known to NIS.  This is why I had to comment and laugh, then you have a known national traitor taking over the special unit under trumping up charges on the good ones.  

 

The best thing is that nowadays k-dramas have put in the clause before the start of the show that this is pure fiction and has no aspect of reality known what so ever.  I have also realized that we are now 1/3rd in the show so this is straight up introduction, the goodies have to lose badly to the baddies before disappearing.  Looking forward to see how they are going to close this and when is the meat of the story going to start.

 

Gone for now.

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For me I just enjoys the drama immensely, because I’m a fan of action genre, I don’t care how ridiculously impossible some of the little details what’s important to me is that it can me me thrill and excitement. I love the tandem of te two leads in each episode that they are working together just to make things happened. I like the fact that one is a civilian and the other is authorized with law, she keeps on breaking the law just to capture the bad guy and that gives the spiced. So far it keeps me on my toes and even my whole family especially my siblings! Hehehe this drama is on the topic of our group chat! I’m glad they like it as well!

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Weighing in ... 

I am watching this because of Morocco and LSG. I ve learnt not to take dramas too seriously for reasons pertaining to sanity unless it’s been touted as a gem - then I’d keep an eye out for its content. 


for this one, even two eps in, something was a little off where logic was concerned. granted that sometimes these ‘offs’ are eyesores, they usually don’t quite affect my watching of the drama unless it becomes utterly senseless. but OB markers are different for different people.
 

 There are some moments when I questioned the invincibility of CDG, the intellect of mavericks working for the corrupt and the incredible success of the op to repair a ruptured artery only to require a blood transfusion created by the ginormous loss of blood probably from the wound created by extra large cut on a fairly hollowed-out thigh. Eye-opening and dramatic, the last one is.


 It is delicious fun to read and agree to the same loopholes spotted, and also read about others that I did not register as I mindlessly admired how Elsa/Hae ri’s hair strayed beautifully around her face chase scenes after chase scenes. 
 

the baddies are strong in this one. Attempts, somewhat feeble, to trap them have been quickly overturned in baddies’ favour. Lots of grit and determination from NIS but they are not so good in outsmarting the Untouchables. allies have backstabbed them and it seems the show is going to get NIS agents go rogue to beat the uglies at their own game, with CDG as lead rogue and anti-hero. Heh. he’s pulling more weight than all of them combined with his Jackie/Bruce Cha alter ego.

 

i wished they started already...

 

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The veteran casts are doing splendid, am really enjoying this drama.

 

However I am very disappointed wth Suzy's acting.. sori dont get mad at me.

 

She has on the "same bland expressions" and spoke wth "the same bland voice tone" no matter wht situations she was put in.

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1 hour ago, Katrina Abdul Talib said:

The veteran casts are doing splendid, am really enjoying this drama.

 

However I am very disappointed wth Suzy's acting.. sori dont get mad at me.

 

She has on the "same bland expressions" and spoke wth "the same bland voice tone" no matter wht situations she was put in.

 

Right now I don't know if it's Suzy's acting or the character itself is the problem or it's a combination of both. But I also think her line delivery is bland especially when she wants to be angry or in a power position like the jail scene with Ki Tae Woong in ep 8. I kinda laughed when Haeri stepped on Kim Woo Gi, she didn't look or even sound confident, and I was honestly distracted by her hair and heels. 

 

I personally find Haeri so unprofessional looking. Her attitude, her loose hair, her heels when she's in the field makes her look not serious in doing her job. Imo, she needs to present herself better/appropriately to make others treat her as an equal and make her voice be heard. She's flamboyant, bubbly and overzealous. There's nothing wrong with being bubbly and cute...take a look at Lily, she's such a playful character, she even talks in a high pitched voice. But when she's assassin Lily her vibe changes. Even when she fails at killing, she still exudes a certain aura and she's treated equal or above her team of men. Haeri unfortunately does not have similar qualities as Lily. 

 

 

 

 

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I am a bit confused about the reporter plot. So it seems the Arbitrator is the guy pulling the strings with the reporter but isn't he on same side with Jessica? Why stir the pot with reporter information? And if the reporter was bait to kill the hero why give real info and give him thumbdrive???

 

The most logical reason is he is working with another organization to bring down jessica or he wants to bring her down? I am just confused on this part.

 

And the NIS chief flip-flopping is just ridiculous... i think in the end the gang will just release all relevant info to the public so that the president and others has to answer to the public since the president is so focus on his image. 

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Will they follow the money :mrgreen:

if the wife & husband didn’t make it :innocent:

 

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I have been catching up on this drama over the weekend and really enjoyed it until the recent episodes. I don't mind some of the over-the-top action scenes and unrealistic/unexpected behaviors of the characters.

 

BUT! The whole point of hijacking and crashing the airliner was to turn the public against Dynamic so that J&M can take the contract even though they were inferior. This really stretches the limits of beliveability, but I understand that it is the catalyst for everything that happens afterwards and is central to the plot.

 

Which is why all the stuff that has happened over the last two episodes make absolutely no sense. If J&M was at such disadvantage that they had to resort to murdering 200+ people to get this contract, why is it that now all it takes is the President's wish to give the contract for J&M??? If this is the case, why the hell did they crash the plane in the first place? They could have just make the President tell the S of D to change his mind and if that did not work, they could have just set him up for the blackmail like they did anyway? What is the whole point of crashing the plane, if all this was so easy to manipulate?

 

If it was hard for J&M to win the contract before, it should be IMPOSSIBLE now with public being aware of the allegations against J&M causing the crash. How is that they can just wave that away with simple "President wishes it so"????

 

This is such a ridiculous plot that it is seriously about to lose me.

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