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[Drama 2018-2019] Memories of the Alhambra | Recuerdos de la Alhambra, 알함브라 궁전의 추억

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15 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

 

 

However, I sense that there could be a third party that JW and CHS were not aware of. Here is my theory: What about KSB? Right now, we are all focusing on Park and professor Cha but why not look elsewhere?

Don't you find it strange that

- KSB recognized JW right away

- he keeps following HJ (even moved to Seoul)

- he keeps warning HJ about JW?

Is it a coincidence that the patent was registered under the name Hostel Bonita? SJ is a minor, how could he have come up with such an idea? On the other hand, KSB is older and had his own shop, if I am not wrong... so he knows how to create business and about patent rights. Imagine... if SJ had died, maybe KBS could have proposed to buy the hostel bonita... but JW entered the picture. KBS couldn't let HJ and JW know that he knew about the game. 

If he was the third party who helped them to create the game but he was not a registered player, he could have made an alliance with Marco in order to get rid of SJ but Marco died in the process. Either he got killed by SJ while the latter defended himself or KBS killed him for real when Marco was looking for SJ in the game. Anyway, that's why Marco became NPC Marco. KBS wanted to use the game in order to murder SJ. Since Zombie Marco has a high level, SJ has issues to fight him back. He came back to Granada in order to warn KSB because SJ thought that Marco had betrayed him with CHS after meeting the CEO... Why would he run back to Granada, when JW was already in Barcelona? They could have met there... In my opinion, he went back to Granada in order to warn his other partner but didn't think that KBS was the one who betrayed him. Only in the train, he realized the betrayal as zombie Marco appeared. No one knew how and when he would arrive in Granada, except his family. He had told his sister about his arrival and KBS got aware of it.

Let me know what you think about it

@stroppyse @Kasmic @blademan@40somethingahjumma @stargazer187 @wenchanteur   

Enjoyed reading your speculations, dear. :D

I"m not sure what sort of part KSB plays in the overall big picture of the drama but yeah, he comes across as a bit OTT in terms of his protectiveness of HJ. Right now he seems mostly like an overbearing well-meaning friend but I think you're right in thinking that we can't rule him out completely as a baddie. He seems to hover around HJ in unhealthy ways. In Granada I found him amusing but in Seoul, he's just plain annoying.  I'm not suspicious that he knew who JW was... JW is a well-known CEO of a major tech investment company in SK BUT his attitude after HJ told him about SJ feels ridiculously overkill especially the part about wanting to talk to the press... right about the same time when Prof Cha is talking about ousting JW from his position. It feels like everyone has an agenda. Sure, it could be that he's just incredibly jealous that some good looking CEO managed to sweep HJ off her feet in a short space of time while he's been patiently waiting in the wings for years. But I can understand why he's aroused your suspicions. I didn't mind him in Granada and in wanting to be protective of HJ because he sees her as a vulnerable friend. However, it's not as if JW cheated them out of a lot of money and the truth is SB doesn't have all the facts so his jumping the gun at this stage is silly. My first thought is that he's trying too hard to be a surrogate boyfriend more than just a close family friend.

 

 @stargazer187 

I wouldn't say that HJ is a damsel in distress in the  sense that she needs rescuing. ;) In Granada she was in fact the one who did the most rescuing and saving. She saved JW on several occasions. JW was not on home turf, he was a mess after CHS' death and she supported him all through his drugged haze. I could see right off the bat her potential as someone who could be JW's rock in his quest to find his sanity. However, the way they've chosen to do that in the last two episodes doesn't really do the character justice. Especially when they chose for her not to know that SJ had gone AWOL. I suspected that was going to be a stumbling block in how they was going to deal with that.

 

I agree with others here that PSH is a competent actress and she does especially well in crying scenes but I think the drama did HJ a disservice by making the OTP fall for each other so quickly while not really developing her personality as well as they've developed his. I love HB and he's a great actor but let's face it, the drama has thrown all its energy into developing the JW character... for good reasons. With HJ, on the other hand, they've intimated that she's now in love with him and so she has to by default act a certain way because apparently all women in love are a blithering emotional mess when their men aren't around. :rolleyes: :P That's the message from the drama that I'm getting at least. The thing too is that JW didn't promise her anything in that regard and he wasn't free to act on his feelings (still officially married) except when he was in a drugged state. To me... the HJ of Granada was a warm-hearted but resilient woman who kept her family together when things were hard. If there's anyone who deserved that ten billion won, it was her because she put aside her dream to support her financially.

 

I just think that the romance could have been handled better and it's regrettable that HJ doesn't come off as well from the writer's efforts. I don't mind slow burn romances... I tend to prefer them in general but this show wants to be a slow burn and a whirlwind... and the result is inconsistency and confusion... to me anyway. ;)

 

The gaming aspect of the drama is clearly the best part. A great unfolding allegory. It's full of wonderfully rich symbolism about hubris, redemption, guilt and how we redefine insanity. 

 

@tiger457_stv Nice to see you again :)

With regards to young men and gaming, I think it's a mixture of escapism and wish fulfilment. You might be an exception to the rule, however. ;) But I know men even in their thirties and forties even who find gaming a way of giving vent to their competitive spirit and inner aggression. That's how the addiction comes into play. It's often a drug and the effects it has on players can be quite disturbing.

 

Merry Christmas Everyone! 

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16 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

But Marco and Se Ju had reached the same level and CHS had only reached the level 4. I doubt that CHS would be able to kill him just like that. Even if they form an alliance, HS has not the same skills than SJ.

However, I also think that Marco tried to kill Se Ju because Marco asked SJ to keep the deal about the game a secret from his family. He wanted to get rich without SJ who was a minor. Besides, when SJ called JW, he was in Barcelona and not in Granada, while the body of Marco was found in the woods near Granada. CSH was looking for SJ and had no idea where he was. HS had started drinking even before meeting Marco (flashback from CSH's wife, comment from professor Cha).

 

However, I sense that there could be a third party that JW and CHS were not aware of. Here is my theory: What about KSB?

 

Good point, but as I said in my 2nd post, if Marco was heavily wounded or wasn't expecting HS to attack and had his back turned around or something, he would be easy game.

 

As for SeJu having interaction with KSB, I really doubt the latter even knew about the game. SeJu is a classic gamer recluse type. They can only really connect and trust someone who is as addicted to the game as he is. Which explains his friendship with Marco, because "he gets it" as compared to even his family who are so loving. Also, I firmly believe that SeJu is really smart and came up with the idea of patenting the game under the business name all by himself.

 

Eagerly waiting for most flashback scenes in the upcoming episodes :D

 

I have another far-fetched theory regarding Marco being a hacker and his drug addiction in context to the game. I was wondering if Marco was experimenting with drugs in order to deliberately blur the line between AR and reality, make the mind think that it is a real situation to enhance the effect of the game. And if he did somehow manage to incorporate this into the game, does that explain the death of CHS?

 

I clearly have no interest in the outside game world storyline :P I understand gaming addiction as I love games myself :D  

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Hello everyone !!! it's been a long time since I joined a kdrama thread but I had to do it for this one, I've been lurking for a while now reading your theories ( not all unfortunately) and decided to join in the fun.

Let me just start my first post by saying how happy I am the production team got PSH and HB together in this drama cause they just have sooo much chemistry and not gonna lie I'm so waiting for the romance to develop between their characters, PSH has now moved on to act alongside older actors and I honestly cannot be more happier, I always thought there was a teeny bit of restraint when she was paired with other actors in her same age range ( don't get me wrong, those dramas were good and the chemistry was good, except for heirs :p ) but seeing her paired up with more experienced actors such as Hyun Bin, just feels different, don't know how to explain it, but I just like it more and I feel like it's better in terms of her career to learn more from senior actors such as them.

 

ANYWAYS, I'm excited for next week, I kind of feel like the story is gonna move faster from now on, and the stakes will be higher, since JW reached level 90, and the search for SJ in the game has officially begun, one thing I will say, I don't like director Park, he doesn't look that trustworthy to me , especially with the way he kept insisting JW is insane despite the secretary telling him otherwise,  oh well we'll see

NICE TO MEET YOU ALL 

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The scene in HJs room was beautiful, the two of them were

simply extraordinary.

JW sitting on the bed with his hands on the cane, and looking

at HJ quietly.

Then, their calm conversation. 

Even when he was leaving the room, and closed the door behind him,

JW looked irresistible. 

What can I do, I liked it. :)

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7 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

But zombie Cha went straight after JW in the episode 7, although secretary Seo was before him. Remember that Cha was back stabbed by Seo because he was only looking at JW therefore I doubt that humans can be considered as obstacles in general. Besides, Cha assaulted him at the hospital, although there was this other patient, hence JW took his walking aid. In my opinion, this is different for HJ. She can not be hurt. If my theory is correct (KBS is behind everything), then he doesn't want to hurt her because he loves her. This means that she can be used as shield.  

 

I think it depends on the location of the human obstacle and where zombie cha appears. In ep 7, seo was not directly in front of JW, there was a distance between them.  Same goes to the patient in the hospital, he was far from JW. There are discrepencies of how the obstacle works. Imo, HJ managed to intercept because she was directly in front of JW and she's not a player. Cha charged towards Seo in ep7/8 because he is a player too. Prior to this, Seo was never around when JW saw zombie cha, JW always managed to escape from Seo's grasps at the hospital.

 

Theoretically it is plausible that HJ is embedded in the game and somehow programmed by either SJ or KBS to be immortal or immune.

 

@tiger457_stv yep. I agree Zombie Cha appears at random and at a distance. 

'Imagine if CEO was in the loo and Dr Cha appears in the bathtub! ' -- this would be hilarious and also scary! Hahaha

 

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@40somethingahjumma said:  With regards to young men and gaming, I think it's a mixture of escapism and wish fulfilment. You might be an exception to the rule, however.  But I know men even in their thirties and forties even who find gaming a way of giving vent to their competitive spirit and inner aggression. That's how the addiction comes into play. It's often a drug and the effects it has on players can be quite disturbing.

 

This is probably the reason for the fascination of young/younger middle age men for the zombie genre...
pure unadulterated aggression and escapism.  My nephew is the same...he probably has slaughtered 10+billions
aliens.   Merry Christmas.

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I wanted to talk to you about a characteristic element of Song Jae-Jung's genius in her stories.


Multi-frame scenes, that's what I call them, I doubt there's an official term.
Something absolutely unique that is not found in other dramas, films, series. Of course, it would take a lot of analysis to find them, I'm not saying there aren't any, and even I'd like to find them if there are any!


Their nature does not allow to find many of them during a drama, from 1 to 3 approximately, they are too complicated to set up to succeed in inserting more, because they depend on too many elements of the scenario.

 

So for the most part, the scenes and twists and turns, even the most successful ones, have only one frame.
For example, in Batman, the joker says he's going to make a pencil disappear... Suspense.... PAF! he puts it in a guy's eye, the pencil has actually disappeared.
It's a scene that I think is superbly successful and will be remembered. However, it has a unique frame.

 

What I call a multi-frame scene is a scene that involves several paths that meet at a key moment, or a path that meets a key principle of the story.
This reminds us of the notion of synchronicity. The scene will carry several senses at once.

 

I analyzed this coldly, after seeing the "multi-frame" scene of episode 5, which is ultra-markable.
It involves several paths and principles:
- The rules of the game regarding obstacles.
- The JW character who is being pursued in a duel, and about to be shot.
- He was found at the last moment by the heroine HJ in an unusual way: all she had to do was to act as an obstacle.
- The feelings that the heroine has developed for him.
(Add to that, that SJJ "pushed the limit" during the countdown in the hospital room, another scene that stands out for its suspense and its refusal to resolve the situation, and that it forces the character to be in the desired place, for the multi-frame scene.)

 

JW catches the heroin to make a hug.
- for him it's just to save his own skin.
- for her, it's for real.
This combined with the death threat of the virtual zombie, and the countdown in case of an obstacle (requiring the hug to be extended).

 

The stage is of course very well shot in all its aspects and for all the senses it conveys. Generating a rather incredible emotion but unfortunately for HJ, one-way! Yet the scene, with its slow motion effect when he grabs her arm, would look like all the other reciprocal hug scenes, and it produces the same emotion, while being falsified.

 

I have noted several multi-frame scenes, only within "W", the most famous of which is the one of Yoon-Jo's confession during episode 7, I don't say more to avoid spoiling, those who know it will be able to analyze the different paths and principles necessary for its implementation, and the implicit meaning it manages to identify (really too strong!!!!).


In her drama Nine time travel, there is at the end one of the most striking scenes ever seen (not to spoil, the hero is in a phone booth, those who know the drama will understand). Of course multi-frame, with a real emotional hurricane at stake. I never got over it T T

 

I really have no idea how she manages to find that! I don't see any method, perhaps not being experienced enough. Is it just a very great inspiration, coupled with a long experience?
I ended up writing one in my story (I was damn happy!), but it was mostly luck and inspiration (and anyway, I'm not an expert in dramaturgy). I just crossed over some elements, and as if by miracle, a flash of light, I had a series of ideas that led to its development. I may have written some more before that, but I'm lazy to read it all again.

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@stargazer187  Forget about romance.... Just hope no one die at the end! Young gamer or Ahjussi or Noona.

Hope next time while watching HJ sleeping, CEO Yoo does not stroke her hair and leaves her a dagger or a pistol, obsessed as he is about his eternal enemy! Oh, couldn't she find some one safer to moon about...like eternal "almost part of the family" guitar friend?

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Hello again :)

 

Why isn't people talking about ROMANCE much??

 

Seriously y'all are invested in game than romance? hahah

 

To be very frank i'm here to watch there romance :wub: Yes i like there game to, but but my heart is just for those two people.

 

This slow romance is like too much to handle. After listening to "IS YOU" album and lyrics, i'm so done. It clearly portrays HJ feelings. OMG

 

I think many are not into that part because of not clear explanation from HJ(Writer's fault). We are seeing the drama from JW perspective, so nobody till now knows how HJ feels. (Again writer fault!)

 

After being one year apart, they still care for each other - AWWW (It shows how much they must have meant to each other before separating)

We are slowly seeing JW feelings for her, still not strong!! But oh my for only one "I missed you" from him, made me go awwww..

He's super handsome and his expressions seeing HJ (How can someone look so HOT?). They both look so good. SO GOOD!!

 

Did anyone think that car scene was romantic where JW reverses his car to pick her up? That whole scene was nicely done. And hahah how can he offer drink to HJ.. I was laughing at that, i guess he likes when HJ is angry , so she can talk her heart out.

 

I guess by now we should have opened soompi thread for our OTP. Who is with me? hahah

 

NOTE : I will be greatly disappointed if there is no kiss scene next episode. Common seriously another 4 weeks this is gonna end :ph34r:, and till now no nothing? No skinship to? Whaaaaat ? :angry:

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22 hours ago, pattsue said:

Referring to this scene, is this guy some one that we know ? or merely just a non-important NPC?

 

TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST, this guy could be CHS or KSB. I have no idea why but the eyes could be either one of them or, like you said, a non-important NPC. 

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10 hours ago, sanika said:

 

Good point, but as I said in my 2nd post, if Marco was heavily wounded or wasn't expecting HS to attack and had his back turned around or something, he would be easy game.

 

As for SeJu having interaction with KSB, I really doubt the latter even knew about the game. SeJu is a classic gamer recluse type. They can only really connect and trust someone who is as addicted to the game as he is. Which explains his friendship with Marco, because "he gets it" as compared to even his family who are so loving. Also, I firmly believe that SeJu is really smart and came up with the idea of patenting the game under the business name all by himself.

 

Eagerly waiting for most flashback scenes in the upcoming episodes :D

 

I have another far-fetched theory regarding Marco being a hacker and his drug addiction in context to the game. I was wondering if Marco was experimenting with drugs in order to deliberately blur the line between AR and reality, make the mind think that it is a real situation to enhance the effect of the game. And if he did somehow manage to incorporate this into the game, does that explain the death of CHS?

 

I clearly have no interest in the outside game world storyline :P I understand gaming addiction as I love games myself :D  

pretty sure CHS just died..

like he died.. but unfortunately the random variable happens in midst of more weird things

 

could it be, that death indeed didn't have anything to do with the game..

like cha was so unhealthy and depressed , was going to die anyway :P

 

5 hours ago, stargazer187 said:

@wenchanteur as a female writer she did good in writing a male centered dramas. I have watched her 9 times time travel, this is my fave so far, QIHM, not really impressed by this tho, and W, it's good it's just she breaks many rules and kind of inconsistent on several part. And MoA, I also wonder with how she has that brain for this great imagination and nice plot. Tho it also still has its flaws. But nobody's perfect as well as the things too. In short, she is a good writer. But there some part of her narrative needs to keep its rules. Well, it's just my opinion. 

her flaws are exactly the same.. don't you sense it?

 

i think its the director, the way he portrays things,90% of the script's flaws have been taken care of.. i see the obvious effort in making things believable/ possible.. whereas i can clearly see how her original idea would have been complete merging and illogical magic angle

 

the big difference definitely is because of the director.. from plot inputs, maneuvering the story, and the screen quality

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HELLO I'm new to this, but I just wanna talk about how JW and some other player faced each other with a gun in the train to Granada. I'm not sure whether this topic was talked about before but honestly, if that other player is zombie CHS (which I believe is [DISCUSSED LATER]), JW can get badly hurt or even die. Since they've already showed the beginning of this scene at the preview, he probably won't die because maybe HJ will be there to save him?

 

THE REASON WHY I THINK IT IS ZOMBIE CHS: We all noticed the sudden storm outside and the guitar playing, and since JW is used to this he knows zombie CHS is coming. 

 

See, I'm thinking that after JW tells HJ all about the game (to explain to her how SJ is alive), I have a feeling that HJ will start playing the game as well. My theory is that after HJ forms and alliance with JW (which is highly doubtable) and leaves for Granada along with JW(except that JW didn't know that they were on the same train), HJ could save JW from the gun shot by attacking zombie CHS. She'd hear the sudden storm outside and the guitar playing, thus letting her know something's coming.

 

Of course, this is only valid if she formed an alliance with JW. Otherwise, if it was zombie CHS, she wouldn't be able to see him and what's going on with JW in the train... unless she coincidentally sees JW on the floor, and seeing that he's on the floor, she runs to him to help him up, thus becoming an obstacle between JW and zombie CHS. 

 

I still believe JW won't die from it though, as they already showed the beginning of the scene in the preview. Might get badly hurt or just close to death once again :tears:

 

I don't know if this makes sense hehe, I just wanted to share my thoughts.

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9 hours ago, stargazer187 said:

 

@40somethingahjumma the writer makes this to be more male centered rather than female centered. So the female character got very little progress. But ending of ep 7 makes me hope that she could be much fiesty. I know some people keep complaining that she cried a lot. But as someone ever pointed out that PSH can cry well with emotion. We can feel her heartbreak. I don't really bothered actually. She cries with a reason to do so as everyone explained in previous posts. As as the slow burn romance, honestly, I expect the romance more :D, tho I don't mind how they slow down on romance part. But they have reached half way of the drama. I don't like if the writer suddenly throw it all at once only at the finals. 

 

I don't have a problem with the drama being more male centred but when they bring in a big name like PSH, I expect her to have a bigger role than just romantic interest. The first 6 episodes was set up in such a way as to lead me to think that she would have a bigger role. I'm cautiously optimistic that it will come good in the end ;)

 

but right now I find the romance rather wobbly... and her character's the one that is all over the place. Like you and @rocher22 have pointed, there are some lovely moments between the OTP... scenes that tell me that they care about each other but I don't like the way they make HJ the extreme opposite of JW. It tells me that the writer hasn't put much thought in the romance... that she's just relying on tried and true drama tropes especially when she actually has some quite innovative storytelling ideas about almost everything else. 

 

Certainly gaming and gaming development is largely the domain of males and so it makes sense that guys dominate this story and there's a kind of chauvinism... which there is... in how women are objectified in games. For example: The dressing of Emma by CYJ like his own personal toy/paper doll... I thought she looked lovely in all her outfits... but she's absolutely a fantasy figure for him to play with in his safe space of not actually having to woo her. 

 

There's no doubt that the writer is clever and that's why people are still watching it despite having reservations on some fronts.

 

9 hours ago, tiger457_stv said:

@40somethingahjumma

This is probably the reason for the fascination of young/younger middle age men for the zombie genre...
pure unadulterated aggression and escapism.  My nephew is the same...he probably has slaughtered 10+billions
aliens.   Merry Christmas.

Hah... yes... In peacetime, it has been said, that men use games/sports to release all their aggression. Gaming is one avenue... sports is another... Safe places for them to "kill". Even in the drama the duel between JW and CHS exemplified that kind of wish-fulfilment fantasy. It was supposed to be JW's safe place to act out all his long-standing resentment, anger and need for revenge. Control is another element of what that's about.

 

That's why I wish they had done the autopsy because I am certain that CHS died of other causes. It could be the excessive drinking or it could be foul play. I also think that Zombie CHS is a programme written to bring JW to his knees.

 

There are people who live with me who have done their fair share of killing aliens and humans onscreen as well. ;)

 

4 hours ago, tiger457_stv said:

Forget about romance.... Just hope no one die at the end! Young gamer or Ahjussi or Noona.

Hope next time while watching HJ sleeping, CEO Yoo does not stroke her hair and leaves her a dagger or a pistol, obsessed as he is about his eternal enemy! Oh, couldn't she find some one safer to moon about...like eternal "almost part of the family" guitar friend?

Heh. I don't think it's that sort of show. But then I've been known to be wrong. ;)

 

I suppose people watch dramas for all kinds of reasons which is why the great majority of Kdramas feel obliged to include romance even when it might be wiser at times not to.

 

I don't like "almost part of the family" guy that much... can't root for him... :P But the more important thing is that she's not in love with him. Some women are just drawn to dangerous men. :D The safe guy that you've known most of your life don't cut it.  ;)

 

2 hours ago, ash011 said:

Hello again :)

 

Why isn't people talking about ROMANCE much??

 

Seriously y'all are invested in game than romance? hahah

[snip]

 

NOTE : I will be greatly disappointed if there is no kiss scene next episode. Common seriously another 4 weeks this is gonna end :ph34r:, and till now no nothing? No skinship to? Whaaaaat ? :angry:

 

You've probably answered your own question... Heh... 

Sadly, there's not a lot that can be said in that area.

 

But the game... that's endlessly fascinating... because it's actually evolving. Also without the game there would be no romance.

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Park Shin-hye Greets Everyone in Red on Christmas Day

 
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Park Shin-hye looks beautiful in the newest photos she posted on Instagram on the 25th.

 

She's wearing a red sweater and looking at the camera. Her big eyes and fair skin make her look like a goddess.

 

Meanwhile, Park Shin-hye is starring in the tvN drama "Memories of the Alhambra".

 

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Source : www.newsen.com/news_v...

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