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[Drama 2018-2019] Memories of the Alhambra | Recuerdos de la Alhambra, 알함브라 궁전의 추억

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9 hours ago, sanika said:

Joining in late to the party! Here is my theory based on the latest episode.

 

Se-ju and Marco plan to sell the game to Hyeon-Seok. HS travels to Granada with Marco after their meeting in Barcelona and they try out the game. At Level 3/4 the players get the option to either form or refuse an alliance with another player. To demo, HS forms alliance with SeJu [similar to secretary and JW] and refuses with Marco [similar to HS and JW]. During the gameplay, HS kills Marco [ his body is found near the woods in Granada] and NPC Marco is now the recurrent character after HS. Since he has formed an alliance with SeJu and has shared experience with him, NPC Marco is targeting both HS and SeJu. This is why SeJu thinks HS is the bad guy and is running away from NPC Marco [Same checks shirt(?) Episode 1].

 

HS was also heavily drinking before meeting JinWoo for their fight. He showed similar drinking habits to the present day JW. Probably he has spent the previous days fighting NPC Marco. When JW comes and tells him JOne  has acquired the rights to the game, HS wants to take the ultimate revenge at JW and at the same time salvation from NPC Marco by provoking JW to kill him.

 

It has been mentioned before, Emma is a "Healer" character in the game whereas HeeJu is a healer-like person in real life. The game character probably bestows special healing powers which has helped SeJu stay alive for the past one year in the game and will probably will play an important role once JW returns back to Granada [probably repair his leg?] .

 

Its interesting seeing the two story-lines develop - both in the game and real life. But I am definitely more invested in the game line :P. SeJu and JW are finally going to communicate after one year!

 

Cannot wait for the next episodes!!!

 

 

But Marco and Se Ju had reached the same level and CHS had only reached the level 4. I doubt that CHS would be able to kill him just like that. Even if they form an alliance, HS has not the same skills than SJ.

However, I also think that Marco tried to kill Se Ju because Marco asked SJ to keep the deal about the game a secret from his family. He wanted to get rich without SJ who was a minor. Besides, when SJ called JW, he was in Barcelona and not in Granada, while the body of Marco was found in the woods near Granada. CSH was looking for SJ and had no idea where he was. HS had started drinking even before meeting Marco (flashback from CSH's wife, comment from professor Cha).

 

However, I sense that there could be a third party that JW and CHS were not aware of. Here is my theory: What about KSB? Right now, we are all focusing on Park and professor Cha but why not look elsewhere?

Don't you find it strange that

- KSB recognized JW right away

- he keeps following HJ (even moved to Seoul)

- he keeps warning HJ about JW?

Is it a coincidence that the patent was registered under the name Hostel Bonita? SJ is a minor, how could he have come up with such an idea? On the other hand, KSB is older and had his own shop, if I am not wrong... so he knows how to create business and about patent rights. Imagine... if SJ had died, maybe KBS could have proposed to buy the hostel bonita... but JW entered the picture. KBS couldn't let HJ and JW know that he knew about the game. 

If he was the third party who helped them to create the game but he was not a registered player, he could have made an alliance with Marco in order to get rid of SJ but Marco died in the process. Either he got killed by SJ while the latter defended himself or KBS killed him for real when Marco was looking for SJ in the game. Anyway, that's why Marco became NPC Marco. KBS wanted to use the game in order to murder SJ. Since Zombie Marco has a high level, SJ has issues to fight him back. He came back to Granada in order to warn KSB because SJ thought that Marco had betrayed him with CHS after meeting the CEO... Why would he run back to Granada, when JW was already in Barcelona? They could have met there... In my opinion, he went back to Granada in order to warn his other partner but didn't think that KBS was the one who betrayed him. Only in the train, he realized the betrayal as zombie Marco appeared. No one knew how and when he would arrive in Granada, except his family. He had told his sister about his arrival and KBS got aware of it.

Let me know what you think about it

@stroppyse @Kasmic @blademan@40somethingahjumma @stargazer187 @wenchanteur   

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Since they are returning to Granada in ep 9-10, i cant wait to see more of this :lol:

 

@bebebisous33 its totally possible that SB is one of the masterminds behind the game. SB's description (credits to dramamilk)

'He is a student learning how to make guitars with Hee-joo in Granada. He has finished all his studies so he can go back to Korea but He has lingering attachment to Hee-joo so he hesitates going back to Korea. But all of a sudden Jin-woo shows up in front of Hee-joo. Jin-woo bothered Sang-beom from the beginning so what he felt became true. He only has eyes for Hee-joo, though he pretends like he does not'

 

If SB is the main villian that would be pretty awesome since not many are looking his way. He is also pretty close to HJ and her family. The amount of devestation and betrayal HJ will face  would be huge if SB is involved in all of this. And SB even offered to follow HJ to Granada. I thought he offered because he cared for HJ so much, but after reading your theory, maybe he had something to hide and doesnt want HJ to find in Granada.

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@katakwasabi Yes, the betrayal for HJ would be huge. On the other hand, she would have a similar experience than JW and understand better why JW became so cynical and distrustful. So far, no one has been betrayed so often than JW. In the next episodes, he will experience another backstabbing. JW was right: CSH and his wife made excuses for their betrayal, trying to blame him for their own actions. And this will be repeated: Cha and Park will claim that JW is delirious and endangering the company, hence they need him to be removed from his CEO seat. 

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@katakwasabi Another point for this theory: not only he wanted to follow her to Granada in order to locate SJ through his sister but also he wanted to take away HJ from JW's side, when JW was in recovery. Remember, he complained to JW that HJ would spend too much time for him and he had always wanted to celebrate her birthday. Since JW was awake, HJ could celebrate her birthday. KBS kept pressuring her to leave the house, not even waiting for secretary Seo. Only after some time had passed (but before Seo's arrival), zombie Cha appeared. So if KSB is our culprit, he might know that HJ serves as protector. Therefore he needed her to leave JW's side so that NPC Cha could make his entrance. 

What if KBS is able to use zombie Marco and zombie Cha? That explains why there is no trace of another login: at the top, we only have Marco, Master and Zinu. Yet, I believe that someone could use the accounts from dead people in order to enter the game and get rid of his "enemies". The accounts could have been hacked after their death, no one has noticed it. 

 

Another point for this theory: the music (guitar) JW hears just before zombie CHS appears: memories of the Alhambra. KSB makes guitars and I am quite sure, he can play the guitar too.

Anyway, I am a firm believer that murder was the real motive of Marco and Cha's death... and JW is not responsible for his friend's death. KBS even stigmatized JW as murderer, as a lunatic person although he didn't interact that much with him compared to HJ.

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Love to see many interesting theories from chingus, our waiting days till saturday will be faster with this discussion.

 

One thing I noticed, that we haven't had enough scenes or stories about the New World company (CHS), I wonder who's the computer engineer or staff behind this company.:unsure:

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18 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

@katakwasabi Another point for this theory: not only he wanted to follow her to Granada in order to locate SJ through his sister but also he wanted to take away HJ from JW's side, when JW was in recovery. Remember, he complained to JW that HJ would spend too much time for him and he had always wanted to celebrate her birthday. Since JW was awake, HJ could celebrate her birthday. KBS kept pressuring her to leave the house, not even waiting for secretary Seo. Only after some time had passed (but before Seo's arrival), zombie Cha appeared. So if KSB is our culprit, he might know that HJ serves as protector. Therefore he needed her to leave JW's side so that NPC Cha could make his entrance. 

What if KBS is able to use zombie Marco and zombie Cha? That explains why there is no trace of another login: at the top, we only have Marco, Master and Zinu. Yet, I believe that someone could use the accounts from dead people in order to enter the game and get rid of his "enemies". The accounts could have been hacked after their death, no one has noticed it. 

Anyway, I am a firm believer that murder was the real motive of Marco and Cha's death... and JW is not responsible for his friend's death. KBS even stigmatized JW as murderer, as a lunatic person although he didn't interact that much with him compared to HJ.

 

@katakwasabi@bebebisous33 Very interesting theory and plausible especially because we know nothing much about KBS except for he makes guitars and he has one sided love towards HJ. I thought it a bit weird when he told HJ that he wanted to expose what JW did to the media....I thought that was a bit extreme...going straight to the media before trying to talk to JW or find another way to "settle" the situation with the company or JW himself first....

 

I know he comes off a bit jealous and resentful of JW and they are trying to make us believe its due to his crush on HJ but there could be an underlying reason as you said...It could also be he is the "consultant" who gave SJ ideas on creating the Emma character since he knows about guitars

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19 minutes ago, dramaobsessed said:

 

@katakwasabi@bebebisous33 Very interesting theory and plausible especially because we know nothing much about KBS except for he makes guitars and he has one sided love towards HJ. I thought it a bit weird when he told HJ that he wanted to expose what JW did to the media....I thought that was a bit extreme...going straight to the media before trying to talk to JW or find another way to "settle" the situation with the company or JW himself first....

 

I know he comes off a bit jealous and resentful of JW and they are trying to make us believe its due to his crush on HJ but there could be an underlying reason as you said...It could also be he is the "consultant" who gave SJ ideas on creating the Emma character since he knows about guitars

I agree. Emma might have been created by SJ as a request of KBS who loves HJ... and JW thought that SJ created her out of love for his sister. But the fact that she is always wearing a guitar could be perceived as an evidence that KBS is behind it, since HJ has never played guitar again in front of her family. But in the shop, it is different and that's where KBS saw her playing and was attracted to her.

I do think that HJ will play a huge part in the game in order to help her brother, as she can become the Emma in the game: fusion between fiction (game) and reality. Notice that HJ served as shield, when Cha was about to attack JW outside the hospital. HJ had never logged in the game... yet he was stopped. 

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3 hours ago, katakwasabi said:

Since they are returning to Granada in ep 9-10, i cant wait to see more of this :lol:

Referring to this scene, is this guy some one that we know ? or merely just a non-important NPC?

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2 hours ago, pattsue said:

Referring to this scene, is this guy some one that we know ? or merely just a non-important NPC?

 

 

I also rewatched this previously thinking this guy is another player and his eyes were tinted blue because of the smart lenses. But i also thought i might be reaching hahahaha

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I laughed when grandma pushed MJ away, so she could

be closer to JW and talk. :lol:

The grandma and both of the girls fell for JWs charm and his boyish smile. 

Ok, and 10 billion won has some effect too. :)

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On ‎12‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 6:55 PM, katakwasabi said:

 

Hehe. This is why i thought the game realms had merged when watching the episode live. I thought now he can travel between different locations within the game without physically going to the exact location. 

 

But after watching with subs, my thoughts were completely wrong. So i too wonder the meaning of the regression. From full on modern weaponary to swords and knights. 

 

The game is weird. Is it open sourced so anyone can change the code. It doesnt seem like JW's company remade the game since master and marco are still the top players. If they remade it from scratch, the top players should not have both marco and master.

@stroppyse

To this reader, the realms cannot merge since beside the special effects (such as rain and thunder and sounds and the villains) the city scenery and bathrooms are all real.  So Granada is Granada and Seoul is Seoul.

The high level players can carry multiple weapons with them (whether blades or firearms if >50) and use what ever they want.
The players probably gets more point by using blade weapons than shooting Dr Cha with a pistol.

Emma is a Fixture of the Granada scene.  But another version of Emma can be programmed for Asian Scenes.
The CEO just does not want the image of someone important to him appearing all over Asia (especially in R-rated costumes!).

It would be interesting if she can become a player, but CEO won't permit that (due to the danger to her).

 

It seems that the young programmer incorporate his game as part of HOSTAL BONITA, a business enterprise.  Hence buying the business enterprise, also buy the right to his game.

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13 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

Hyun Bin is super hot stuff with a cane/walking stick. :wub: On top of that he's brandishing a sword mowing down virtual combatants on a killing spree. Doing his best version of a Korean John Steed. ;) He is Mr Cool through and through even with a limp. When all the world around him goes berserk, he calmly and suavely presents the facts. To everyone's annoyance. :P

 

The most interesting twist in recent days is that now Jeong-hun is able to join in the game and he has actually seen the game's resident evil zombie. :P Of course it's fraught with danger... we can't have too many people privy to the secret otherwise there won't be opportunities for office politics to rear its ugly head. ;) I wonder about Prof Cha and what his game might be.

 

Nice to see that they're contextualizing the game for different markets but it's hilarious... I don't know if there's any significance to this... to see all these beta testers swinging their arms at some invisible enemy right in front of Sejong the Great. And then JW... coolly pulls up and guns down the Joseon swordsmen. I don't think it's purely aesthetics just to have the statue of Sejong preside over an AR game from his bronze (?) throne. 

 

Although I think HB and PSH have great chemistry that's waiting to explode and I'm sure the show is trying to imply that they're kind of in love with each other already... even while they're pretending not to be... ;) I really think the writing of HJ (and directing) needs to be a lot of tighter. I didn't have a problem with her being angry for being kept in the dark and for him going incommunicado on her BUT her reaction went a bit too overboard for my liking. I was uncomfortable with the charge that he conned her while I understand that it was anger talking. He didn't tell her about the brother going AWOL but she did get a nice 10 billion won out of their brief encounter in Granada. It's not as if JW took the game and ran. The family was compensated quite handsomely. And then her male friend... workshop partner... made it out that JW cheated them out of house and home. I dunno...  all that... again... felt OTT. It just seems like everyone else in this show overreacts except for JW, Prof Cha, MJ and maybe JH. I like HJ and unlike her detractors I do see her purpose in the show but I just wish Kdramaland would be less extreme with their handling of female protagonists especially after they've fallen in love while misunderstandings ensue.

 

I love the banter between MJ and JW. It's absolutely one of the highlights of the show. In fact, MJ is an absolute scene stealer. The back and forth between those two is always delightful comic relief. Of course she doesn't have any kind of emotional investment in him so their relationship can have a kind of amusing honesty that two people who carry emotional baggage can't.

 

The second wife... oh my word... what a piece of work. And it does beg the question... why in the world did he marry her in the first instance? I'm beginning to wonder if JW was really such a bad husband (as has been the claim) or if he was just a poor judge of women. I'd love to know more of the backstory behind his first marriage. He seemed genuinely crushed when that went awry.

 

What's the deal with Prof Cha? He plays his cards close to his chest. But he feels like a man with a thousand secrets. I understand the need to protect the company and the livelihood of hundreds of employees but there's something about him that screams "shifty". I've got to wonder if he knows more than what he's saying about his son's death. Is he responsible for it?

 

More and more I'm convinced that JW is the most honest and sanest person in this show especially now that he's been broken and pushed to the brink. It was fight or flight and he chose to fight... with the aid of alcohol and drugs. How can he explain to anyone about his present predicament? It seemed that flew over the cuckoo's nest and stayed there. But when you're the only one who can see what's really in the cuckoo's nest... there's no convincing anyone.

 

I'm glad that there's a possibility that SJ is still alive. I was wondering if CHS could be alive but I don't see how. If it works like The Matrix... then he shouldn't be. 

 

I've been thinking that there's not a lot more gaming related type dramas coming out of SK. Maybe there have been and I've slept walked through all of them. Sure we may see the inside of an internet cafe often enough. But this is a country that produces the best Starcraft players in the world and there are young guys from their late teens to their earlier twenties winning international gaming tournaments. Of course I imagine that the vast majority of dramas are targeted at females. ;) 

There is a saying that the deeper one feels the more fragile is one's feelings.  As you said Hee Joo takes great offense because of her strong feelings for that broken, underslept, overmedicated, twice married, imperfect man.  Her sister does not have the same emotional stake so is carefree and can say what ever she likes.  Guitarist friend would be a better choice but emotion can be illogical (i.e. 2nd wife).

This reader also does not understand the attachment many young men have for games...but with such a realistic game, it can be addictive.
Dr Cha did not show the emotion that one would expect when he found out his only son has died.  In fact he did not seem to care at all for his grandson (church memorial scene).  He must know a lot more about everything, but keeps it to himself...a truly cold & devious man.

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24 minutes ago, stargazer187 said:

It was because the game reads her as an obstacle. That is why Zombie cha couldn't continue his attack. Just like how their duel got canceled due to previous obstacles, JW inside the car, JW inside his hospital room in Granada (the other patient opens it, removes the obstacles and resume the duel), then JW inside the antique's room in hiding to attack. But Zombie cha can enter his room in States while the door is closed. :lol: this confused me, but only at this part is inconsistent I think. I'm going to let it slide then. 

But zombie Cha went straight after JW in the episode 7, although secretary Seo was before him. Remember that Cha was back stabbed by Seo because he was only looking at JW therefore I doubt that humans can be considered as obstacles in general. Besides, Cha assaulted him at the hospital, although there was this other patient, hence JW took his walking aid. In my opinion, this is different for HJ. She can not be hurt. If my theory is correct (KBS is behind everything), then he doesn't want to hurt her because he loves her. This means that she can be used as shield.  

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30 minutes ago, stargazer187 said:

It was because the game reads her as an obstacle. That is why Zombie cha couldn't continue his attack. Just like how their duel got canceled due to previous obstacles, JW inside the car, JW inside his hospital room in Granada (the other patient opens it, removes the obstacles and resume the duel), then JW inside the antique's room in hiding to attack. But Zombie cha can enter his room in States while the door is closed. :lol: this confused me, but only at this part is inconsistent I think. I'm going to let it slide then. 

It seems that Dr Cha shows up at random time, but always in the vicinity of CEO.  However,  where he appears seem to be about 40 feet from CEO.  So inside a small room, he appears outside.  Inside a Church he is inside.  A game program needs this distance in order to give the player warning when the game started.  Imagine if CEO was in the loo and Dr Cha appears in the bathtub!  ...that would be a throw back to Alfred Hitchcock's PSYCHO's bathroom scene!!!

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