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[Drama 2018-2019] Memories of the Alhambra | Recuerdos de la Alhambra, 알함브라 궁전의 추억

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God I cant. 

This writer.

I WANTED A HAPPY ENDING FOR JIN WOO

IN HEE JU's ARMS NONE THE LESS

 

I mean she gave a happy ending in W: the Two worlds and the guy wasnt even real there.

Come on, a glory shot of them meeting would have eased me.

 

Frankly, what really got to me is the towards the end, JW only had the tremendous urge to live,but still chose be sacrificing and did everything alone. Is that good or bad, not sure, but it does make for a brooding drama hero.

 

When Emma stabbed him, I was stunned. My guess ; PSH said yes just for that one scene, she looked scary stabbing him.

 

Anyway I am going to create my fan fic of how Hee Joo realizes JW is alive and all planning to level up till 100 and get him out. 

Genius Bro, its time to use that brain and get your savior back.

 

*I love this drama's attention to details. They had See Ju come back in Granada and not in Korea which thankfully makes sense* 

 

If ultimate sacrifice is always the answer to solve everything then there wont be any meaning for existing. 

Frankly, I never thought I will say this but I will take the ending to queen In Hyun's man anytime to MoA. 

 

Gripe over.

It will be a while to let this go.

Time to go back and stare at the dimple shot. 

 

 

 

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Really disappointed..... I wait nearly a year to see MOA and have patience to watch every ep.   I cannot accept such finale... this writer does not deserve to have HB and PSH as the main lead, it is totally waste of their talent, our time and expectation.  Yes, HB and PSH pls have another romance drama....

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25 minutes ago, ash011 said:

After watching with eng sub, I'm somewat relaxed. 

From my understanding JW was hidden in dungeon for past one year which was created by SJ.. And HJ still believes he will come back. 

So JW is still alive in real and helping other users, and other users can see him, how is that possible? 

If that was the case why didn't SJ not seen by JW at the Granada train station? Is it something like in control with master , like if the master wants others to see them, then others can see or they can't see? 

Confused!!! 

So now JW is still in the game world as a real person. And someone has to level up to release him from that. But that will take a long time,as in the conversation from HJ and 2 guys in cafe they told for now the highest level is 25...

So I will take it as not a really sad ending. But writer could have made it much better.. Far better actually!! If only there were sweet scenes between JW HJ.. If only 

My heart aches thinking that dress room kiss was there last kiss and after the kiss how JW eyes looked sad. I can't forget that! 

How JW holded HJ hand tightly for one last time, convinced her to go home with that painful smile. I can't forget that whole scene. So heartbreaking! 

JW staring at HJ house. I can't!  So much heartbreaking. Why he has to suffer so much? Just why?  

I am sure disappointed about the ending. But when I look back I am fully immersed with JW and HJ.. I can feel there pain. I'm just thankful that such character exists. There love is real! One thing I'll take from these two is TRUST. I have learnt to trust my other half whatever the situation is and how HJ did. Very rare to find such love.. :bawling:

if that's the case, aren't masters stupid.. aren't masters supposed to create mystery quest which is super super super easy to deal with :P so that they can be freed early unless the game decides the "complexity" level in which case it really is the game designing mystery quest..

9 minutes ago, classyviews said:

God I cant. 

This writer.

I WANTED A HAPPY ENDING FOR JIN WOO

IN HEE JU's ARMS NONE THE LESS

 

I mean she gave a happy ending in W: the Two worlds and the guy wasnt even real there.

Come on, a glory shot of them meeting would have eased me.

 

@bold.. :lol: :joy:

 

i don't know how is queen inhyun's man adn nine (dropped this in between)..

but if w and MoA are anything to go by, this writer does not have skills for sci-fi drama but only the skills to identify scenario for drama setting which is unique

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4 minutes ago, enigmatic_zephy said:

if that's the case, aren't masters stupid.. aren't masters supposed to create mystery quest which is super super super easy to deal with :P so that they can be freed early unless the game decides the "complexity" level in which case it really is the game designing mystery quest..

@bold.. :lol: :joy:

 

THIS 

YES I mean why would you want kill the person who is going to help you.

The only explanation is that the levels were created way before and inside the game, the master had no real control on game bugs and level difficulty. Still that just makes them stupid.

 

And In Hyun Man is LOOOVEEEE!! 

Highly recommend it. 

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26 minutes ago, ismaeni said:

Why seju did nothing???he's creator of the game right??

the writer didn't focus on Seju at all and that's sad tbh, she could've used his character to solve many things, but chose not to. 

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a second season with another writer, focusing on JW and HJ's dating life, and Seju being a CEO and developing the games would be cool :tears:

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Even after waking up from a rest, I still cannot accept that kind of ending. Hence I’m skipping the final episode. I can’t accept it, not just because it’s heart breaking to see these two not even meet again, but the explanation for the game was not even truly cleared. I, as the viewer, am supposed to just accept that it was a bug this whole time. Then what about all the real deaths? I still don’t get it <_< im guessing his narration from beginning episodes must be his narration from the game itself. I’m disappointed in the ending and game concept itself. Maybe weeks from now or even a year from now, I can gather my courage to watch this tragic kind of ending. 

 

but one thing I will accept is that everyone worked hard on this drama. I don’t feel that HB and PSH wasted their talents here. They showcased their abilities very well and I love their expressions in the eyes of their sweetest moments. JW who fought all the way to level 100 and HJ who spent all the time she could with him. it was sweet in its own magical making. I hope they get casted together again as leads so I can watch their chemistry once more. I will be waiting to watch HB and/or PSH’s next drama project. 

 

@Kasmic my thought is since JW literally saved the game, answer for poll 2 is JW. But as I’m very disappointed and feel void of the answers we didn’t get but was made to supposingly get, I will just leave my zombie pic for a week more before changing it. Oh, how my heart aches when I think of that ending. It left a bigger void. I was hoping everything would unfold nicely but instead it just made me feel a bigger void. The beginning to the end..I still have questions unanswered :crazy:

 

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well my MOA chingus, I will be cruising at other threads so won’t be coming here as often as I do now. Let us all meet again in another drama thread ;)

 

@Kasmic @ktcjdrama @moodypie @butterflysaga @stroppyse @packmule3

 

It was nice to meet all of you guys here again on a drama we watch together :D We had one hell of a roller coaster ride with this one.

 

To all my other chingus who I met here, let us all meet again on another thread where we can spazz, vent and spam together ;)

 

Adios, mis amigos! :heart:

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W, genius!

In Hyun's Man, haven't seen it yet.

But MOTA? One of the best dramas I've seen until that ending.

Writer...

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Seriously! I can't even understand myself! What was that?! Huh?! What was that?!

 

 

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No offence . . . but I actually really like the finale and thought the writer was brilliant.  From my perspective, in the end, Jin Woo died as the user Zinu, but remained as the "Master" of game.  Per Se-ju, only Master is given the access to create the "Instance Dungeon" in times of danger to deceive / vanish from enemies.  However, based on Se-ju's experience in the Instance Dungeon for the past year, it seems like a third dimension - aside from reality and the virtual world.  Therefore, Jin Woo, like Se Ju a year ago, may still be alive and existing in the same time and place but in a different dimension.  Different from Se-ju, Jin Woo is not "stuck" in the game and waiting for someone to come rescue him. 

 

With all the tragic events that happened to him, and all the pain that he has to experience in losing and letting go of the ones he loves and trust, Jin Woo "choose" to escape from reality . . . to the third dimension . . . until he is able to overcome his own darkest demons . . . to entrust himself with others and to love again.  He trusted and opened his heart to Hee-joo / Emma, but in the end, Emma stabbed and killed him (as Zinu) in the game since she perceived him as a "bug".  Also, Jin Woo noticed that those closest to him eventually ends up dead . . . his parents, his best friend (Cha Hyung-seok), his mentor (Professor Cha), his secretary . . . and his doesn't want the love of his life . . . Jung Hee-joo . . . to end up that way . . . he would never forgive himself and would be devastated if she does.  Jin Woo has come to the conclusion that he may be a "bug" in reality as well, being the cause of all this tragedy. 

 

For all the things that Jin Woo has been through in the past years, he is having a very hard time distinguishing between reality and non-reality . . . like how Se-ju was having a very hard time telling the difference as to whether the rain and thunder was real or non-real.  At the moment, Jin Woo really needs the time to sort things out with himself.  As for why he suddenly appears after a year of gone missing, it is because of the launching of the game to the public, and the resulting dangers of its users playing the game in the real world . . . real people were actually getting injured in real life.  For this game, it appears that the bug/glitches are created once a real player actually dies while playing the game.  Also, it was never noted as to whether or not "Emma" was deleted from the reset, launched version of the game.  All in all, the limitation of the game is still a mystery.

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16 minutes ago, JojoCx3 said:

the writer didn't focus on Seju at all and that's sad tbh, she could've used his character to solve many things, but chose not to. 

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Well the writer focused on one thing for sure to show EX WIFE'S characters. 

Do the writer has any personal liking towards ex wife's.. **wondering** or any personal problem? 

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1 hour ago, fauna said:

I don’t think he’s trapped in the instance dungeon. I think he’s traumatized and created it to protect himself against all his enemies in both the game world and the real world. But since it’s a year later, all the real world problems are solved now, and he has been seen shooting NPCs, I think he just needs the courage to come back to the real world again. PSH will login, find him, and convince him to come back, just like when her brother came back when the quest was completed and Marco disappeared as a threat. He just needs to be reassured.

 

what do you mean?? are you saying that JW is now an addicted to the game? I seriously don't understand how the whole game is functioning... I'm so confused..and i think the writer also confused about the drama that she write..LOL

 

Writernim completely lost and didn't know how to solve the issue and problem that she created in the storyline.. If she make JW alive, police will investigate and he will accused murdered 3 people! That's the most big problem that writernim unable to solve.. 

 

Writernim should know that if she gonna write a drama, she should know how to write a begining and the ending of the drama.. this drama is a pre production drama and writer has a lot of time writing and thinking the best ending for a drama..Writernim should have know what is the expectation from viewers especially they know that the big name like Hyun Bin & Park Shin Hye involved in the drama.. Writernim should know how both actor's fans gonna react if they know about the bad ending like this gonna happen..i'm sure 99% viewers wanted a clear happy ending with a passionate kiss and not an open ending like this with HJ scene is on her way to look after JW at the park but they only show JW silhouette.. totally absurd! 

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22 minutes ago, ash011 said:

 Well the writer focused on one thing for sure to show EX WIFE'S characters. 

 Do the writer has any personal liking towards ex wife's.. **wondering** or any personal problem? 

 

she gotta show that she cares for all her characters somehow :lol:

anyways, these two, especially Yura wasn't necessary ..hell, even Sujin, they showed us that she donated the money? was that really necessary ...... she could've used the minutes on something useful :) one thing for sure, this episode was all a mess, and they didn't know what to do with it, so they went with the typical stuff, all happy characters (ex for the main).

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@rAMYlola isn't it ridiculous? someone, maybe HJ has to play the game for idk another year? till she can be the master and JW  gets out? and for what? Seju was afraid cuz of Marco, but JW has no one to be scared of, and if what u said him feeling like a bug irl resulted to this, then why he didn't hide irl instead of a game? he knows how hard it is for someone to help him out someday, and he def knows that when he shows up, HJ gonna go and rescue him. And when the police dropped the case, he could've shown up again. JW is smart, but if what u said is the case, then he became an idiot tbh. Also, the writer could've showed us how he disappeared, and hid himself? and not just showing us his aches or whatever that was, so we could understand him more.

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LMAO moa is trending in twitter, every sec there is a tweet and all are disappointed. Lol 

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i really think the whole show is perfect other than the fact that how the hell is Jin Woo a bug..?? i mean he's a player right? is he a bug because he's "the master" which is not supposed to be programmed in the game ? so if Jin Woo actually did not rescue SeJu from being the master, is Se Ju the 'bug' thats supposed to be stabbed? 

 

well wont get the answer now i dont even know why i'm asking in the first place :sweatingbullets:

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Satisfactory points about the finale:

1. Most of the questions concerning the game were answered. Like why seju cant be seen by Jinwoo.

2. Marco was in no way associated with Jinwoo whereas all the other bugs JW has to delete it himself. Marco was a bug that originated from Emma. Hence only by letting himself (master - JW) be killed at the hands of Emma, Jinwoo can delete Marco's bug (the program that seju incorporated for the role of Emma).

3.  Happy that Seju being made the CEO. He truly deserves the acknowledgement and the fans.

4. It was a fitting ending for both the 1st and 2nd wives.

5. The one year that Jinwoo being inside the game (its just like what seju did) for sure its not out of fear. If at all we know anything about JW, it is he has never given up to his fate. After all he has fought it and won it. He longs to see Heeju. He is not locking himself up inside. JW being the master has become the captive of the game (which is a bug again, since JW should have died when Emma stabbed him but he didnt which means Emma couldnt reset everything after all), he is confined only to that space like an NPC (sure he has a role the game has created for him and he has no control over it), waiting for someone else to complete his mission to get out of the game (which wont take long, with the no of people playing it). He will meet Heeju after that, they will have happy ending. These are all implied.

The disappointment:

(I will quote the writer herself for what I want to say to JinWoo and Heeju)

w-two-worlds-quote.jpg

cr on pic.

1. I get it all inside my head that HJ-JW will have happy ending but I wish to see that on-screen.

2. From the first episode, JW had only one goal: Meeting Seju. Whats the use of winning the mission if the reward is not his lol ? He didnt even get to meet Seju. (Being a gamer, these things are important lol)

I will still compliment the writer for coming up with such complex and pioneer concept. But writers tend to have this temptation: Go happy ending everyone go home happily or Go mad-crazy and be the talk of the town :lol: Needless to say, the latter part of the mission is accomplished.

 

 

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42 minutes ago, rAMYlola said:

No offence . . . but I actually really like the finale and thought the writer was brilliant.  From my perspective, in the end, Jin Woo died as the user Zinu, but remained as the "Master" of game.  Per Se-ju, only Master is given the access to create the "Instance Dungeon" in times of danger to deceive / vanish from enemies.  However, based on Se-ju's experience in the Instance Dungeon for the past year, it seems like a third dimension - aside from reality and the virtual world.  Therefore, Jin Woo, like Se Ju a year ago, may still be alive and existing in the same time and place but in a different dimension.  Different from Se-ju, Jin Woo is not "stuck" in the game and waiting for someone to come rescue him. 

 

With all the tragic events that happened to him, and all the pain that he has to experience in losing and letting go of the ones he loves and trust, Jin Woo "choose" to escape from reality . . . to the third dimension . . . until he is able to overcome his own darkest demons . . . to entrust himself with others and to love again.  He trusted and opened his heart to Hee-joo / Emma, but in the end, Emma stabbed and killed him (as Zinu) in the game since she perceived him as a "bug".  Also, Jin Woo noticed that those closest to him eventually ends up dead . . . his parents, his best friend (Cha Hyung-seok), his mentor (Professor Cha), his secretary . . . and his doesn't want the love of his life . . . Jung Hee-joo . . . to end up that way . . . he would never forgive himself and would be devastated if she does.  Jin Woo has come to the conclusion that he may be a "bug" in reality as well, being the cause of all this tragedy. 

 

For all the things that Jin Woo has been through in the past years, he is having a very hard time distinguishing between reality and non-reality . . . like how Se-ju was having a very hard time telling the difference as to whether the rain and thunder was real or non-real.  At the moment, Jin Woo really needs the time to sort things out with himself.  As for why he suddenly appears after a year of gone missing, it is because of the launching of the game to the public, and the resulting dangers of its users playing the game in the real world . . . real people were actually getting injured in real life.  For this game, it appears that the bug/glitches are created once a real player actually dies while playing the game.  Also, it was never noted as to whether or not "Emma" was deleted from the reset, launched version of the game.  All in all, the limitation of the game is still a mystery.

 

A good theory but It doesnt fit JW's character..

 

He moved from being a egotistical, money and success minded fellow to someone who eventually cared about those around him. (typical K drama hero)

His sole purpose to finding See Ju moved from finding out why his friend died and can his company be saved to doing the right decent things. 

If he truly wanted to let go, (if such thought even can exist in his head) he would have gone to HJ and not the church. 

He would have accepted that nope he didnt want to die as a bug, because he isnt that person.

 

Which is why he being the sacrifice and having to wait till someone( probably HJ) rescue him is slightly irking.  

He is super smart and always found a solution and gambled it all.  That's the JW we all rooted for till the end.

 

 

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51 minutes ago, stroppyse said:

 

I think my issue with this drama is pretty much the same one with W, the logic fails become too big for me to ignore. She gives us an interesting world, and then she doesn't know how to resolve the world that she's created, especially when it comes to that fantasy/RL barrier that she likes to play with. So, there is no internal consistency. It's hard even to just relax, watch, and accept what we're told to be believe, because things that happen later in the story contradict things that she had told us in the story already with no rhyme nor reason.

 

 SJ was apparently even able to communicate somewhat with other players since he said that he had sent the quest to JW, presumably while SJ was still in his instance dungeon protecting himself. Though, if he could communicate, why was his communication so limited? Because JW is able to interact with other players in a way that SJ apparently couldn't, or perhaps wouldn't because SJ is a frightened little mouse apparently.

 

Hehhh, the logic baffles me as the lazy writing, incoherence of the story and failed character developments.  It’s surreal to see things falter at this level, when as a writer you know Netflix has your financial backing and you have worldwide attention.  Is it indifference to the viewers feelings, too much confidence in your brand or just plain writer block? The drama was too hero-centric for me. I thought all supporting players were underused and lack depth.  Some are too comical and one dimensional.  I was hoping Se Joo gets the chance to right the wrong of his program.  Nah, guess not.  Not sure why can’t the story be about a team effort to overcome the game?  I’m not even asking for an Avengers ensemble, just a little more involvement to give life to the supporting characters while helping Jinwoo regain the trust he lost in people.

 

Well, I do have one request for Hyun Bin in his next project.  Please choose a character that LIVES by the end.:D

 

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Putting aside my emotions and gave it a few more hours I watched the last episode again and thought of writer’s perspective.

guys I am less mad now, I sort of get why the writer went down the path.

everyone around JW.. not gonna lie even me I agree HJ was too good for JW. JW was pretty much so broken as a human being and character that he found HJ innocence and kindness something new something he was not used to about. Someone genuinely caring about him is something he forgot what it felt like . From viewers perspective we wanted more... we wanted JW happy ending but even he himself knew in episode 15 he has to disappear for it all to end.

I just couldn’t help but feel so bad for him when he told Emma he doesn’t wanna die...  knowing he reached the bottom and he doesn’t have much chance at survival considering he had to fight all day everyday he decided to be stabbed by Emma.

SJ did explain even he didn’t know why things went the way they did... even the internal dungeon but the more he thinks about it there is a high possibility JW is stuck in almost the same situation as him.

he didn’t turn into a NPC but rather as a user got stuck in the third dimension between the game and the world waiting for someone to rescue him just like how someone rescued SeJu.

 

I made my peace with the drama... I mean at the end of the day open endings sometimes might work the best leaving it to viewers imagination to make peace with their dramas so imma decided to think positive about this lol:joy:

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To summarize the ending:

Jin Woo is left alone in game world. Hee Joo is left alone in real world. Cant this writer at least let this poor souls met for the sake of audience. Not just Hee Joo running towards the game and we only get to see the glimpse of Jin Woo shooting NPC. See Joo is such a crybaby.. he should at least help Jin Woo for the sake of his nuna. 

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I keep thinking about something I've heard in another drama (Ghost Detective), where ghosts kept on doing what they did the moment they died.  I feel like it was the same in MotA. CHS died while fighting JW, so he keeps on going after him even after his death, Secretary Seo dies while being JW's ally, so he keeps on fighting along JW even after his death, and JW... "disappears" while being selfless and trying to "save everyone else", and he keeps on doing the same even one year later. The problem is that according to this reasoning he is now zombie Zinu but instead of going after someone, like CHS, he protects them, just like he did before his disappearance. 

 

And as I've finally braced myself and visited Alhambra, I've tried identifying some of the filming locations. The "entrance" to the dungeon and the so-called dungeon are in two different buildings, though. It was not a good day for taking photos, so forgive their poor quality. There were many places in the town that I couldn't identify, and I'll try to do that on Wednesday, after my last exam, as I am still curious where HJ's hotel is. I only know that it is not in Albaicín or in Sacromonte, as it wasn't white, so that leaves me with the other half of the old town. :))

 

 

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HyunBin was spectacular every. single. episode. I lost count how many times he nailed it. I thought Ep15 was his all time best but until Ep16, his excellent acting was moving. Unstoppable. HyunBin as Yoo Jinwoo is his finest role to date & award worthy.

 

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