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[Drama 2018-2019] Memories of the Alhambra | Recuerdos de la Alhambra, 알함브라 궁전의 추억

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yeah I must admit that article from the writer has so many 'wth' moments while reading it.. this drama is just lucky to have HB and PSH on it and! it is picked up by Netflix... 

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"Memories of Alhambra" Writer Song Jae Jung: "The Reason You Die in Reality When You Die in the Game Is..."

 

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Song Jae Jung explained in an interview on the 15th that the reason for the deaths are due to a virus in the game.

 

Q: "Why is Hyun Bin, or anyone who forms an alliance with him, in danger of dying in real life when they play the game?"

A: "It might best be understood as an infection by a virus. The murderous intent between Seju and Marco violated the rules within the game and caused an error to occur. Yoo Jin Woo and Cha Hyeong Seok, having that same desire to kill one another, caused the bug to expand the scope of the duel, making experience Jin Woo physical pain and preventing him from logging out of the game."

 

"What allows the game to access an augmented reality through the lens is that it makes it possible to control the brain," Song explained further. So while Jin Woo does experience genuine pain in battle and suffers from a limp in real life, there's a logic explanation for why his leg isn't hurt while in the game. To put it simply, it's "mind control."

 

As for the death of Cha Hyeong Seok, the autopsy revealed that he died from significant blood loss. But Cha Hyeong Seok's death wasn't a matter of "mind control," but rather due to incurring a physical injury, wasn't it?

 

Song explains, "Cha Hyeong Seok being drained of blood was used as a setup in the first half of the show. That he died of blood loss wasn't possible to confirm; it was the character's speculation. It was a line used to give anxiety as to whether Yoo Jin Woo was actually complicit in the murder of Cha."

 

[222, -6] What are we supposed to do if you're the only one who gets it... The point of an interview is to unravel the story and make us understand.

RE: [10, -1] This writer should just give up on dramas. She's making light of the viewers like she did with W.

RE: [8, -1] I agree... Making it so that viewers can follow along is the #1 priority

RE: [4, 0] She gave up on the story so now it's a melodrama or whatever.

RE: [10, 0] And because of that, while connecting it to the content of the drama, isn't the writer now giving spoilers? If that information comes out in the drama, the writer just spoiled us, and if there are no spoilers, the drama ends without any of the virus talk. Under normal circumstances, you would say "You'll understand why when you watch the show."

 

[107, -1] I feel like I still don't get it but... Since it's Hyun Bin, I'll watch it.

 

[77, -17] Mind control? If that's the case then how can you explain Hyun Bin being chased after by the police? Didn't the police say that he had a limp? They brought up how fast he got away, but were the police in the game all of a sudden? Nothing about this makes sense!!!!!! You might on your own understand this "mind control" business but based on simple common sense, a person with a limp getting away from that many police officers is ridiculous! Please write realisticaly! I watch and just get annoyed.

RE: [21, -4] It doesn't make sense???

RE: [36, -1] Right, it's mind control, but other people see it. It's illogical. He was limping on the CCTV and when the police saw him, he was running. The writer is nuts.

RE: [39, -2] Even if the police saw him, he was limping, but still fast. In the game he can run with both legs, but in reality it's a limp. It's still seems like he's the same speed.

RE: [31, 0] So in other words, mind control from the game causes him to feel pain, but his brain can't acknowledge the actual pain caused by his leg?

RE: [26, -1] They revealed this part. On the CCTV in Alhambra he did have a limp. That is, Yoo Jin Woo was limping, but he was imagining on his own that he was able to move around well.

 

[38, -1] Huh?

 

[57, -26] Struggling somehow to explain this mess... If that's the case then could you figure out how to write it properly? What are you doing after taking in such good actors... Seriously

 

[18, -1] You need to show that in the drama. Instead you're having to tell us in an interview. What kind of comedy is this

 

[17, -2] There are too many inconsistencies. She hit a wall with Nine... After that her work has been anticlimactic.

 

taken from onehallyu

 

I love the Hyunbin gif:wub:

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Maybe this drama wants to educate us about "DON'T PLAY VID./AR GAMES TOO LONG! IT WILL GET YOU ADDICTED AND LOSE YOUR SANITY".

 

Also in this case.. it applicable on how we are addicted to k-drama. LOL. Look how immersed us right now, how devoted us to analyze each scene.

 

In a silver light.. the core purpose of MotA is a social critique wrapped prettily in a bow with HB & PSH smile.

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3 hours ago, ash011 said:

I'm so done with this writer.. This is my first and last drama of hers. I hope she will never do a drama again and just stick with movies.. Else don't cast any female roles in next projects.. Herself being a female, she doesnt value female roles...WOW claps.. 

PSH made a mistake choosing this script. Writer made her dirty.. No wonder PSH didn't promote this drama in IG.. She would have felt cheated for sure.. 

Writer doesn't know the fandom of PSH.. And has she watched her previous dramas?  Gosh.. PSH is to sweet for the industry.. I am sure there is sad ending for HJ and JW.. I'm not excited to watch the finale now. 

P. s : sorry if anyone got hurt by this.. It's just I'm irritated with the writer.. 

And obviously we PSH fans will be angry of how she got treated by this.. 

I am a bit confused actually... I believe the writer wrote the script first, then decided the cast. So if PSH is not interested, she could have just turned down the role. And they would just find another actress. It's not that PSH got cast first, then the writer wrote her script based on PSH's ability... and I read that she did mention it's going to be a male-centric story... ?

Being a female writer also doesn't mean she needs to or must write a strong female lead. That will really depend on what the story/theme is about...

Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of PSH and I watched almost all of her dramas/movies. 

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5 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said:

I am a bit confused actually... I believe the writer wrote the script first, then decided the cast. So if PSH is not interested, she could have just turned down the role. And they would just find another actress. It's not that PSH got cast first, then the writer wrote her script based on PSH's ability... and I read that she did mention it's going to be a male-centric story... ?

Being a female writer also doesn't mean she needs to or must write a strong female lead. That will really depend on what the story/theme is about...

Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of PSH and I watched almost all of her dramas/movies. 

I am agree with you

I think shin hye know the script before she's accept the role right??

I don't get it with PSH fan actually

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Oh boy. Now that the writing itself has come into terms, I will have to say that It is quite hard to take in when I, one of the audience, has to decide exactly what kind of fantasy I am seeing here without a logic response. 

 

I could not read in details of the interviews conducted by writernim. As I do respect her idea and creativity of this writing, it also important to be able to convey an idea in which the audience can easily follow and understood. Either do that or provide enough concrete details that allow the audience to critically analyze to an understanding. Elements are not balanced and it feels like the audience are left with a void. Or loopholes. 

 

However, I will wait to see just how the final two episodes wraps up. I want to see how the beginning ties to the end, and if it will be to my satisfaction. Then I can put my final thoughts on it all -_- I know we are all frustrated in our own ways. 

 

@Kasmic  truth be told, i don’t like the idea that just because there’s ‘magic’, it means the fantasy sparkles of it should solely depend on it. I can’t just accept it because I’m told to, for the one reason is that I have to be able to believe it is very possible. In this case, most of the ‘magic’ doesn’t make a lot of sense to me because it is not shown in a way that will make it acceptable <_< and as I said, magic to the naked eye is a wonderful illusion but behind it, there are a whole lot of steps and practice to perfect it. This is my problem with the game concept of this writing piece :mellow: 

 

@butterflysaga hello my fellow chingu! Happy to see you here! :)

 

 

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33 minutes ago, ismaeni said:

I am agree with you

I think shin hye know the script before she's accept the role right??

I don't get it with PSH fan actually

The plot was explained to the cast as well as the first few script episodes but the rest of the scripts were yet to.be written. PSH was made to understand that Emma will hold a big part in the story's development even though, it is male centric but as SJJ herself said she had difficulty in incorporating the role of Emma/Heejoo as an important factor in the story spewing abt IU like role. Meaning she ran into a wall with this character that it got sidelined. As fans, we are not asking for more romance. Just that the Emma/Heejoo character be given enough if not equal importance in resolving conflicts within the story.

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It's sad tbh, this drama could've been the best of 2018-2019 if not of all the confusion and flaws tbh ....

The drama being all based on JW and not HJ annoyed me, as well as PSH fans cuz she's my fav actress, but that's how the writer wrote and PSH accepted it either way, so I don't see why would we be mad at the writer for that thing. But hope she getsSame thing goes to Seju, even though the whole thing is created by him, he didn't appear much, and that's also unfortunate. We could've seen how he created the game in the first place, what was on his mind when he did so, and especially how he created Emma and she became like. Tbh, we EXO fans were so mad at this from the beginning but continued watching cuz he's gonna appear later (in my case I watched cuz I like the lead actors and the story made me want to watch more). I just hope in the final episodes, we will be satisfied by the ending. That will make us less "annoyed".

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/deep sigh/

 

I only want a HAPPY ENDING for Jin Woo and Hee Joo

 

and their squad too, pls be happy Yang Ju, Park, Halmeoni, Se Joo and Min Joo

that's all I want for my long running for this drama

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I'm holding myself so much after reading that interview, I didn't read all of it, but what i read warrants me to hold myself so much from swearing not to watch any if this writer's dramas again. I'll catch you all later. Have a nice day everyone. 

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2 hours ago, nistymaj01 said:

The plot was explained to the cast as well as the first few script episodes but the rest of the scripts were yet to.be written. PSH was made to understand that Emma will hold a big part in the story's development even though, it is male centric but as SJJ herself said she had difficulty in incorporating the role of Emma/Heejoo as an important factor in the story spewing abt IU like role. Meaning she ran into a wall with this character that it got sidelined. As fans, we are not asking for more romance. Just that the Emma/Heejoo character be given enough if not equal importance in resolving conflicts within the story.

exactly!!  We are not asking for romance or something. It's just HJ/emma role could have been written much better other than just supporting JW

 

3 hours ago, ismaeni said:

 

I don't get it with PSH fan actually

lol.. no offense.. but as far as I know PSH was aware only up-to few episodes and if you read SJJ article you will see that SJJ requested PSH to understand that her role will be weaker. Many of her fans will be upset, when her scenes are hardly some 15mins in the whole one hour. Who wouldn't be? 

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2 hours ago, nistymaj01 said:

The plot was explained to the cast as well as the first few script episodes but the rest of the scripts were yet to.be written. PSH was made to understand that Emma will hold a big part in the story's development even though, it is male centric but as SJJ herself said she had difficulty in incorporating the role of Emma/Heejoo as an important factor in the story spewing abt IU like role. Meaning she ran into a wall with this character that it got sidelined.

 

Is that really certain? What part of the story did she know from the beginning? I think she knew what she was getting into, and she saw it as a good role.
When Han Yoo-Joo accepted the role of Oh Yoon-Jo, the actress had read the script. She was so excited that she said she wouldn't find such a good script in her career.
I suppose the actors are very happy to have the chance to shoot in a drama written by SJJ. The two MOA actors also made statements on this subject. They do not see things in the same way as disappointed spectators do.

 

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As fans, we are not asking for more romance. Just that the Emma/Heejoo character be given enough if not equal importance in resolving conflicts within the story.

 

I don't see why one of the main roles should have to be equal to solve things, equal to appear at times or whatever. The character must stand in his ideal position according to the story and nothing more. As I have already said, if her role is to cry and move me (which she does very well), I am very satisfied.

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Let me say a few things, i understand the drama is male centric , I understand the idea that Hee Joo exists only to give emotional support and I like her personality, I still wish she had more depth but that's okay, Shin Hye doing both HJ and Emma was great cause there was a very apparent contrast and different aura between the two,  but I don't like how the writer is just like saying *oh i don't know what to do with her so here's the romance but it still doesn't make sense to me * it's basically throwing your character that you wrote under the bus. Why ?? I will say that HB and PSH have done a spectacular job making their romance believable because of their great acting and amazing chemistry. If it were any other pair I don't think it'll be believable. 

Now on to my second point, which richard simmons me off the most. I had faith in this writer, the way the story evolved made me scared of one thing and that is that the writer just loves throwing twists here and there just to amp up the excitememt and make good cliffhangers, but won't give answers at the end, but now after her interview, it turned out even worse, like you can't just throw in all those questions and then explain it as fantasy/magic or just a mere virus. That's disrespectful (in my opinion ) to the viewer, especially a loyal viewer very invested in the story and trying to wrap their mind and coming up with theories for it. If you want to make your own world then it needs rules, it needs cause and effect, you can't just brush it under the rug like that.

 

 

I should shut up for now, this interview really ruined my excitement for the final episodes,  SJJ has AMAZING IDEAS i'll give her that, that she wrote one of my favorite drama ( queen in hyun's man ) but from now on I think she needs to spend more time writing her stories,  make them more tight. you can't always escape plot holes, but you can do your best to minimize them, and if she thinks they're not fit for dramas then don't make them a drama, and don't fool your viwers like that. 

End of rant, see yall later. 

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57 minutes ago, wenchanteur said:

 

Is that really certain? What part of the story did she know from the beginning? I think she knew what she was getting into, and she saw it as a good role.
When Han Yoo-Joo accepted the role of Oh Yoon-Jo, the actress had read the script. She was so excited that she said she wouldn't find such a good script in her career.
I suppose the actors are very happy to have the chance to shoot in a drama written by SJJ. The two MOA actors also made statements on this subject. They do not see things in the same way as disappointed spectators do.

 

 

I don't see why one of the main roles should have to be equal to solve things, equal to appear at times or whatever. The character must stand in his ideal position according to the story and nothing more. As I have already said, if her role is to cry and move me (which she does very well), I am very satisfied.

Yess i agree with u

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Hope the rating continue to rise up for the hardworkwork if all the casts especially HB and PSH. And to all the production staffs

Edited by Celi67
Hope for rating to continue to rise up for the sake of the hardwork of all the cast especially HB and PSH
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4 hours ago, ash011 said:

as far as I know PSH was aware only up-to few episodes and if you read SJJ article you will see that SJJ requested PSH to understand that her role will be weaker. Many of her fans will be upset, when her scenes are hardly some 15mins in the whole one hour. Who wouldn't be? 

So PSH, being the professional actress she is, probably gave SJJ the understanding she requested...?

And I'd like to think that SJJ wrote the story for her fans, not for fans of the cast (whoever that might be, coz it really can be just anybody, even a rookie actor/actress)...

 

@Celi67 I would appreciate it if you go edit your post above. The opening and closing sentence is rather offensive for a fan of SJJ like me. I started to watch this drama because she is the writer. Thank you.

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9 hours ago, wenchanteur said:

 

Many thanks, It's an interview where she tells a lot of things, I put it in my favorites!

 

She confirms something she had already said: she is not comfortable with dramas. Yep she should stick to movies or books. For "W", her story was too long to last in 16 episodes. And here, she first thought of it as a film script. How is a movie length (2hr approx) suffice to 16 eps (16hrs) ? even if she had no intention of the romance aspect(which was the case) it would not be adequate for 16hrs...besides JW would be dead when he was chased by zombie cha at the hospital.

 Maybe to make sure it holds up well in 16 episodes. It is felt enough, MOA gives me the impression that it ends too quickly, that there has not been enough. On the one hand, we are never bored, thanks to her talents as a sticom writer, she has no trouble developing a story over a longer period of time. I don't think it's done by an artificial process of lengthening the story. It is clear from the drama that she always has something interesting to say. She' s just developing the story. It probably wouldn't have fit in a movie, maybe she's wrong about that. Agree MOA should be a movie instead thus a male centric role will be more acceptable

 

For romantic story, it is obvious that the kdrama style requires her to put one on, there is no choice! So, she's going to crush her story to find the best love story that could suit the script. It can't be a conventional love story, that's good. It is through this kind of friction that something good emerges. And the actors are so good that they're going to make it perfect. Did she really trust the artists esp on the romance side of things? I doubt it as she said herself that she was surprised by their chemistry. 

*snip - sorry had to cut your post*

 

Her approach is authentic, she starts to have ideas, then modifies them, it takes a lot of time, two years before, she already had a very beginning. Instead of a time travel story, she writes MOA. There has been a typical alteration in a creative process, something unexpected is challenging the expected. Hence Pokemon Go influence and AR for MOA

 

*snip again*

 

EDIT: I guess with this new interview, she'll still be hated by a lot of people. I remember the flood of angry comments she had suffered on an English website for her previous interview about "W". She's a cursed artist.  But as she herself says, too bad, there are many people who like what she does too or who understand it. She is an adorable person who dares to be sincere, even if she takes blows.

 

The spectators are erratic and ruthless, it is impossible to write stories according to what they want. This is certainly the last thing to consider!
In "W", many people did not like the story to be too focused on the two main characters, and wanted more time for the secondary characters.
In "MOA", a little more time is available to talk about the secondary characters, and the audience is annoyed and finds that it is better to focus on the main characters. (however, I love the passages with Yu-Ra and Pf Cha!)

The spectators react as if they were ordering a menu from mcdonald's!
- Give me a XXL romance menu Hyun Bin-Park Shin Hye, please. Take the tears out of the sandwich, please, there's enough in the fries.

 

Nope, just some clear consistent explanations would be ideal and most importantly interpreted in the drama itself and NOT in her interviews. We the viewers should be able to understand the plot without her having to try to reason it out. She shouldnt need to explain her ideas for her work esp if she really didnt care what her critics thought...as I do agree haters will always hate and that you cant please all. Maybe she knows that there are some plotholes in her work and is trying to reason that it was "magic" - its a fantasy drama. Thus anything is possible so why not people dying in games and it can be caused by another player or NPC, wearing a lens or not wearing one your still playing, applying the virus/danger to one player (JW) over any other players because his the male lead, deliberately dumbing or in nicer terms weaken down other secondary characters (Id say its all the other side characters - Choi, police officers, YR, SeJu, CHS, Park, Prof Cha not just HJ) for the sake of the hero.

Gosh Im boiling up again, I cant go on. Sorry @wenchanteur lets agree to disagree on anything inregards to SJJ and those interviews...i dont mean to pick on you or any fans of hers. We still have 2 eps to go and even if the finale looks like it will be questionable Im going to TRY and enjoy it. I did say try

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Did not read (translate) the interview, just reading your comments wc are all understandable coming from the drama audience or fans of its cast or the writer. 

 

I am in between of this (hooked viewer and a follower of the actors) - as mentioned the interview timing maybe off esp if your cast has a solid fan base. But I believe that this actors must have their reasons whether to accept the drama or not - so I will just wait and see after all at the end of the day it will be their performance that will make the impact how small or big part they have (wc generally my reason in supporting these leads).

 

As for the story, this viewer (me) will just accept it how it is.. magic or fantasy whatever. Coz it will be useless for me to loose interest since we only have  2 hrs for the story to end, I will just sit back, relax and consider the finale as if Im watching a movie. B)

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now i am getting anxious of the ending... i was on a ray of hope for my happy ending when i see the romantic scenes unfolding, now i am uncertain... esp now that SJJ seems to compare JW character to the one who... who is that... the one who died...??!!!   sooooo was that like preparing our hearts, like some sort of mind conditioning and damage control for the ending...! ohhh crappy patty!!! i

 

calling all zombies on the house...! i think we have a new subject to haunt!!! get ready!!! :w00t::blink:

 

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i am with you chinggu!!! I ONLY WANT A HAPPY ENDING FOR JW AND HJ TOO!!! they both deserve to be happy!!!

5 hours ago, deluluishealthy said:

/deep sigh/

 

I only want a HAPPY ENDING for Jin Woo and Hee Joo

 

and their squad too, pls be happy Yang Ju, Park, Halmeoni, Se Joo and Min Joo

that's all I want for my long running for this drama

 

 

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