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[Drama 2018] What is Wrong with Secretary Kim, 김비서가 왜 그럴까

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9 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

By the way, thanks to @theonlyone88, it was confirmed what I had suspected in the last episode. However, I wasn't sure because this scene was shown for one second and it was so unclear.


 

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However, if you look carefully, you will be able to see two persons: a boy and a younger child, both with tied hands. Since we saw later a similar scene where there was only one boy, then I wasn't sure.

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Long term lurker her but coming out of the shadows for this show. The leads are on fire with their performances even down to the little things (PSJ with his hand gestures and eyes and PMY  with her facial expressions of forbearance and impatience with YJ).

Just read the spoilers detailed above by some great commenters and I am shook! Loved PSJ acting in other roles and I have seen how great he is in acting and if only a fraction of the spoilers ends up on screen, I don't know how I will be able to cope. The angst level is going to go up but I am sure there is going to be beautiful emotional moments between PSJ and PMY as they finally realise (at all levels what truly mean to each other).

The pic above points to a nightmare by YJ and just feel so sad knowing the backstory which really adds to the relationship between the leads now and not merely a lame device that kdramas serve for having a childhood love crap (as much I love the trope it often is a substitute for real chemistry and characterisation). This really adds in the gaps in their personal development in themselves and for each other. Though I love them together, will be interested to see if Mi So will really quit and how this will actually affect their lives. It needs to happen so they see how they are apart and they can grow but also understand their feelings for each other. Though I really need these two together on screen for as much as the drama as possible so I am in two minds about it!

Anyone waiting for Mi So to be scared by spider around YJ and see the reaction by YJ when we know by the spoilers that this was fear was created by him in order to protect her from a greater terror?  I am terrible but I can't wait for the angst. It is such a fluffy show right now that I see people complaining about how light it is which I don't see at all as I can see that there is extra layering going on where on reflection we will see sadness (where YJ introduces himself with ultra confidence and as Mi So sees it narcissism but there will be a flashback where YJ will be happy to some extent Mi So doesn't remember him but also angsty that he remembers their connection and she doesn't and we will see that coloured all their relationship from day one to the present day.

Also, one day (probably when they are ordering flowers for their wedding lets be real) Mi So or probably one of her sisters is going to mention how Mi So has awful allergies to flowers and we are going to get a flashback to Mi So tearing up in YJ's presence and sneezing on him after him giving her flowers and him congratulating himself on his awesomeness at making her cry and then we will snap back to the present day. Imagine his FACE!!!!lol forever!!!!

 

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16 minutes ago, MrsSoJiSub said:

The library scene. I love it. So symbolic. So telling. Kim Mi So is CEO Joon's light. She's his person. Without here he wold be lost. She can lead him when he falls into himself (into his dark place, his ego and narcissism) and in turn he is able to learn from her, her support, her presence, her light...allows him to lead her as well. In the words of F.R.I.E.N.D.S "He's her lobster!" (and vice versa). Other than the library, I really enjoyed our couple being a bamf power couple taking care of the art gallery potential mess.

 

What I really really love about the two's dynamic is the mutual trust and respect of one another's work and abilities. While everyone else was looking panicked lost, CEO immediately looked to secretary Kim knowing she is smart and capable and would rise where others are falling. He trust her and her intelligence and know how so much. It's rare to see this in a drama (most leads question, doubt, and belittle female leads know how in their field of work) and I adore it. When they were walking through the gallery taking note, questioning problems, and Mi So coming up with solutions :wub::wub::wub: I cracked up when CEO pointed out that the man only seems to know how to respond with "Unfortunately" I was just as annoyed and silently eye rolling and questioning the man's competence as much as I think CEO was. As a professional he should be able to come up with an idea or something, especially in front of his boss. Make something up (even if it's not the best idea) and fake it until you make it. But just being all "unfortunately.." aka I cannot think on my feet and have no idea what to do, looked really bad for him. I was all proud smiles when secretary Kim was able to role out idea and possible solutions. She should have that man's job. 

 

Real talk though, I could not be secretary Kim. He sent her on that errand to get that food (running down stairs in them heels...you can miss me with that request. Not I lol.) then when she comes back he's all "I no longer want it." She's a saint that needs to teach me her way for being able to hold in her anger. I swear we would have exchanged words, next time he could get his own damn lunch, and you best believe hamburger, fries, napkins, and coffee would be sitting on his desk to do whatever the heck he wanted with it! As much as I enjoy the two's progress, they are playing a dangerous game. They are blurring the lines of secretary Kim (his worker) and when she is Kim Mi So (the woman who is off the clock so should be able to say, do, think, what she feels) and in real life that would strain on a relationship. For all the equal there is still a huge power imbalance (same with Joon and his bff hence why bff often holds back his fire words least he get fired) and it needs to be resolved or can't really ship like I want to ship. I await the day Kim Mi So doesn't have to throw on a smile and hold it in. I want her to be able to get angry at him. To not have to sugar coat her words. To say no. To just say and behave how she feels like she would with any other guys she is dating.

 

They still very much see each other as CEO and secretary. Until they learn to turn it off when outside the office (when the work day is done) and become Joon and Mi So, a relationship is doomed to fail. I think @bebebisous33 mentioned CEO did not tell Kim they were on a date because he knew she would reject him, which is true. Kim Mi So had been there as secretary Kim, not the woman Kim. For her is was sort of an extension of her work day and much of it was her "job". I don't want their dating to be a job where she smiles and tells him what he wants to hear, holds in feelings, boasts his ego, etc etc. I need them to see each other as man and woman and come to terms if they like what they see and want to be with what they see. I don't want them there because "your'e my boss and could fire me" or "I'm your boss and you have do what I say". I need them to be together because Lee Joon likes Kim Mi So and Kim Mi So likes Lee Joon. 

Agree all the way here with regards to her having to be employee versus girlfriend. How is she supposed to tell her true feelings and thoughts as much as YJ says he needs her to when she thinks he could fire her at any time and leave her in the lurch (as much as we know all about their past and YJ's sincerity, how is she supposed to know? The power dynamics are too skewed in YJ's direction and I don't think he realises that yet and how vulnerable that would make Mi So feel. They need to get out of their respective roles of employer and employee as it is already stifling and distorting all their interactions as much as they are a power couple at the office, they need to be a REAL couple of equals in real life.

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@theonlyone88 OMG! Thank you soo much for the explanation! :D I haven't had a chance at all to go through the webtoon and my, my, my, thank you for the synopsis. I am now really looking forward to the drama. Looking forward to LYJ doing all he can to protect KMS and not telling her the truth of who he is. I'm sorry, but totally loving it this setup. Like I'm not upset at LYJ for changing his name and hiding his true identity from KMS, it's for her own protection. Like he's going to keep the traumatize and not let her have it. :love: 

LYJ you are :thumbsup: 

 

 

I still can't believe the hyung, though. Like seriously, it's your fault and you gonna be the one having troubles. That's what happen when you are evil. I'm sorry, it's only the beginning and we barely know how the hyung is going to be portray like in the drama, but from reading you all talk about the webtoon, I'm already not liking the hyung. I like the actor, but not the character. He's evil! :rage:

 

13 minutes ago, jeijei said:

The Forest of Wisdom Library has been featured in a number of Kdramas. I remember it in  Father I'll Take Care of You and Hwayugi

 

Here is a write-up I found: 

https://koreandramaland.com/listings/forest-of-wisdom-library/

 

 

 

I was going to point out about the library, because it was in Hwayugi. Wow! Can't believe it's a popular shooting scene for Kdramas. 

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@turtle0217 For me, SY is not evil but rather mentally sick. He has been selfish and jealous in the past and the kidnapping actually reinforced these flaws because his defense mechanism was to switch his position with his brother. By playing the victim, he wants to get all the attention from his parents. Besides, notice that his pen name is "Morpheus", the god of dreams in Greek Mythology. He is living in a dream where he doesn't want to wake up because if he did, he wouldn't be able to deal with reality. On the other hand, he thinks that he is the one who knows everything in life. He implied that his brother knew nothing about love. I don't think, SY knows about love because he mentioned three things he learnt in France and one of them was WOMEN! His words imply that he is actually a womanizer. 

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1 hour ago, kdramaznoob said:

Agree all the way here with regards to her having to be employee versus girlfriend. How is she supposed to tell her true feelings and thoughts as much as YJ says he needs her to when she thinks he could fire her at any time and leave her in the lurch (as much as we know all about their past and YJ's sincerity, how is she supposed to know? The power dynamics are too skewed in YJ's direction and I don't think he realises that yet and how vulnerable that would make Mi So feel. They need to get out of their respective roles of employer and employee as it is already stifling and distorting all their interactions as much as they are a power couple at the office, they need to be a REAL couple of equals in real life.

 

Yup. At this point if Joon confesses he's going to be rightfully rejected. because the two are playing on different fields. Right now he's going forth doing the things he has assuming they are dating/he's wooing her. Meanwhile our girl Mi So is out here doing these things thinking it's an extension of her job and like he has said, it's a gratitude dinner from a boss to his soon to be former employee. She's not seeing these things in the romantic "date me" way he is secretly implying them as, and that will be his downfall. Did he not watch Reply 1988!?!? If you like the girl tell her, don't he secretly nice leaving Christmas gift gloves to her brother to give, coming in the rain with an umbrella, or going to concerts you hate just to please her (lawds will I ever get over the heart break of Jung Hwan?). Freaking tell her before you chese playing looking kind of dopey everyone takes care of him other BFF comes in and be the forefront hero who was always the hero in the back, and get the girl...*deep breath stops self from falling into 88 feels*  

 

Lee Joon needs to sincerely explain to secretary Kim that he doesn't just see her as secretary Kim, he sees her as Kim Mi So the woman (which we the audience know because in his talks with her, he often switches from secretary Kim, to Kim Mi So when it's about feelings and just liking her because she is a tailored suit -only he would confess love as a perfectly made suit-) and want her to act accordingly and treat/interact with him as Kim Mi So. TELL HER YOU DUNCE BEFORE YOUR MAYBE EVIL BROTHER WORMS HIS WAY INTO HER HEART AND HAS HER CONFLICTED JUST TO ADD DRAMA TO THE DRAMA AND TORTURE ME FOR LIKE 8 EPS OR SO!!!

 

There are so many spoilers here. I haven't read the webtoon (maybe will once the drama ends) and want the drama to tell me what is happening. So would you all mind posting reaction comments to spoiler comments in spoiler tag? I know it's not intentional but no spoiler tag reaction to something that has been spoiled gives it away a bit (if it's a good or bad thing. If brother is bad or not, if they were kidnapped and what happened exactly etc). I thus far know much more about the kidnapping than the drama has told, due to reactions. I hope it's not too much to ask as I don't want to take from anyone's fun, but please spoiler tag reactions/comments on spoiler tagged material.  Thank you. 

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3 hours ago, jeijei said:

The Forest of Wisdom Library has been featured in a number of Kdramas. I remember it in  Father I'll Take Care of You and Hwayugi

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is a write-up I found: 

https://koreandramaland.com/listings/forest-of-wisdom-library/

 

 

They did an entire travel episode where they visted it in night goblin.. don't remember the episode though

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Hi.  I  want to ask if someone know were can I find this webtoon to read or a sinopsis. Thanks so  far I am loving it.

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@theonlyone88, thanks for the spoilers, but now, I'm so sad and angry for YJ. He was just a child. His parents should have looked after him better, and not dumped so much on him. And, I only have a very little sympathy for SY. Perhaps as a kid, I could understand somewhat his frustration at not being as good as his little brother, but he's no longer a child. He's more than old enough to face the actual truth rather than harassing his little brother still. And,  poor little MS left on her own to deal with being kidnapped. Didn't her family realize that something had happened to MS overnight? Children are not good about keeping things from their parents and family. So, to me, it means that MS probably tried to tell someone, but was brushed off as a fanciful child. So, yep, now I'm totally upset for YJ and MS.

 

And now that they're adults. YJ remembers everything, including having recognized MS while MS is still struggling with her hazy memories. I can't wait until she remembers YJ properly.

 

Shoot. I thought I was in for a lightweight rom-com. I guess I should have known better with the quality of talent in PSJ and PMY attached to the project. While the drama has light, funny moments, I don't think I'll be able to view it in the same way any more, especially now realizing how much of YJ's attitudes and manners are probably defense mechanisms. Even his reluctance to get personal with women is probably not a result of his narcissism as I had been thinking in the early episodes, but most likely manifested trauma from that childhood incident. And, MS is the exception because she had been with him back then, and he had had to protect her. 

 

YJ has also clearly come to rely on MS and to love her, even though he hasn't been able to convey it for those 9 years that they worked together. Now with his confession, I hope that YJ and MS are able to figure out their true feelings for each other, and actually, I guess they will. :wink:

 

I think MS, for her part, may not be in love with YJ, but there is a connection and a familiarity there that will be sorely missed if she didn't have it any more. And, it perhaps could have turned into love with a little encouragement and a little less determination to find her childhood "oppa". I am so looking forward to MS finding out that YJ is her childhood oppa who protected her from the dangerous spider. :D

 

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See this drama makes me comfortable since the leads are really likeable and not total jerks to each other.

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3 hours ago, MrsSoJiSub said:

 

Yup. At this point if Joon confesses he's going to be rightfully rejected. because the two are playing on different fields. Right now he's going forth doing the things he has assuming they are dating/he's wooing her. Meanwhile our girl Mi So is out here doing these things thinking it's an extension of her job and like he has said, it's a gratitude dinner from a boss to his soon to be former employee. She's not seeing these things in the romantic "date me" way he is secretly implying them as, and that will be his downfall. Did he not watch Reply 1988!?!? If you like the girl tell her, don't he secretly nice leaving Christmas gift gloves to her brother to give, coming in the rain with an umbrella, or going to concerts you hate just to please her (lawds will I ever get over the heart break of Jung Hwan?). Freaking tell her before you chese playing looking kind of dopey everyone takes care of him other BFF comes in and be the forefront hero who was always the hero in the back, and get the girl...*deep breath stops self from falling into 88 feels*  

 

Lee Joon needs to sincerely explain to secretary Kim that he doesn't just see her as secretary Kim, he sees her as Kim Mi So the woman (which we the audience know because in his talks with her, he often switches from secretary Kim, to Kim Mi So when it's about feelings and just liking her because she is a tailored suit -only he would confess love as a perfectly made suit-) and want her to act accordingly and treat/interact with him as Kim Mi So. TELL HER YOU DUNCE BEFORE YOUR MAYBE EVIL BROTHER WORMS HIS WAY INTO HER HEART AND HAS HER CONFLICTED JUST TO ADD DRAMA TO THE DRAMA AND TORTURE ME FOR LIKE 8 EPS OR SO!!!

 

 

Yes-exactly what I am afraid of-if there is one trope I hate in the few kdramas I have watched and in western dramas come to think of it is love triangles. I hate them building up the second lead when you know what the real love story is and this love triangle is just to artificially introduce conflict.

I know there is 16 episodes to fill out here but I think there is enough drama brewing on the horizon. Mi So is going to eventually leave and get started investigating her past. This will lead to flashbacks and reactions etc. YJ and Mi So will have to evaluate how they work apart, but there will be more interactions as I see YJ will be pursuing her romantically while trying to keep Mi So from knowing the truth about their past and seeing how this has affected her (fear of spiders and so on). Mi So will be going on blind dates with the reporter as he tells her what he finds out the truth and she will then interact with YJ as she comes closer to the truth and he becomes anxious. She may become closer to the brother then as he may cloud the truth and delude her into thinking that he is her saviour from the past. It will come to a head romantically as she confronts her feelings for YJ (as he learns not to be such an idiot around her) and she discovers the truth of their past. Then they will be in a relationship while YJ and the brother come to an understanding and the brother leaves then (or before hopefully). This will leave plenty of time for them to get used to each other and the personal dynamics will be recalibrated into a more equal partnership that doesn't leave Mi So keeping her feelings to herself and doing everything he tells her and YJ being more aware of others and having the personal development to care for others outside of his personal bubble. They will come to terms with the past (the past 9 years and their childhood trauma) and heal from all the traumas and mistakes of the past.

Evil/sick brothers,  love  triangles and manipulation is not needed in this show when you have this trauma in the past affecting the leads to this level. This show has never met a kdrama trope it didn't utilise but it really isn't needed. I really hope they don't torture us with a love triangle when it is clear to all that YJ and Mi So are gold together and forcing them apart and into angst when there is plenty enough angst to go around. On a personal level, i hate having to waste time watching the female lead with the second male lead when there is no real support or chemistry in their relationship when it is so obvious (ESPECIALLY in this drama) that the male lead and female lead should be together. It is a crime not to have the leads on screen together for as much time as possible when the chemistry, dialogue, storyline etc is so smoking hot and sizzling like here between YJ and Mi So. They look so good together and their acting is incredible as a team. I like the brother (he is hot) but messed up in the head but does anyone in the audience really want him as competition for Mi So's heart? Nope -we want more time with the leads interacting adorably and having sparks! No love triangle for any serious amount of time (the only reason I want a tiny amount of it may be for YJ having a jealous hurt reaction for two minutes lol-just want him to suffer enough so that he knows he loves Mi So lol I am awful but no more. No serious torture for the viewers where she seriously contemplates a real relationship with the brother when we know that it is not a good option for her. PLEASE!!!!

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1 hour ago, stroppyse said:

@theonlyone88, thanks for the spoilers, but now, I'm so sad and angry for YJ. He was just a child. His parents should have looked after him better, and not dumped so much on him. And, I only have a very little sympathy for SY. Perhaps as a kid, I could understand somewhat his frustration at not being as good as his little brother, but he's no longer a child. He's more than old enough to face the actual truth rather than harassing his little brother still. And,  poor little MS left on her own to deal with being kidnapped. Didn't her family realize that something had happened to MS overnight? Children are not good about keeping things from their parents and family. So, to me, it means that MS probably tried to tell someone, but was brushed off as a fanciful child. So, yep, now I'm totally upset for YJ and MS.

 

And now that they're adults. YJ remembers everything, including having recognized MS while MS is still struggling with her hazy memories. I can't wait until she remembers YJ properly.

 

Shoot. I thought I was in for a lightweight rom-com. I guess I should have known better with the quality of talent in PSJ and PMY attached to the project. While the drama has light, funny moments, I don't think I'll be able to view it in the same way any more, especially now realizing how much of YJ's attitudes and manners are probably defense mechanisms. Even his reluctance to get personal with women is probably not a result of his narcissism as I had been thinking in the early episodes, but most likely manifested trauma from that childhood incident. And, MS is the exception because she had been with him back then, and he had had to protect her. 

 

YJ has also clearly come to rely on MS and to love her, even though he hasn't been able to convey it for those 9 years that they worked together. Now with his confession, I hope that YJ and MS are able to figure out their true feelings for each other, and actually, I guess they will. :wink:

 

I think MS, for her part, may not be in love with YJ, but there is a connection and a familiarity there that will be sorely missed if she didn't have it any more. And, it perhaps could have turned into love with a little encouragement and a little less determination to find her childhood "oppa". I am so looking forward to MS finding out that YJ is her childhood oppa who protected her from the dangerous spider. :D

 

Agree with all of this-I have heard complaints that this show is so fluffy and light and lbr all the tropes that it is hitting makes it feel like a typical rom com but now knowing the true background everything is more layered. Where I excused the narcissism as typical chaebol behaviour turned up to 11=now you can see it as a defence mechanism against the trauma of his experience that night and him relying and not wanting his secretary to leave not as childish entitled behaviour but as letting the only person he trusted from the past into his life and looking out for her when she was vulnerable and being aware of sensitive issues of her past when she doesn't remember but still feels the trauma of that night but not knowing the source of her anguish.

I think they have done a good job of leading viewers into watching this fluffy show not knowing the angst that is ready to pop with YJ even there has been little hints with the nightmares and fights with his brother which has always been glossed over with the fluffy narcissism of YJ which is funny on its own and of course his angsty shower scenes after his nightmares probably made viewers concentrate on the "superficial"-cos who wouldn't be distracted by PSJ and his abs???!!!

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6 hours ago, turtle0217 said:

I'm starting to feel like it could be LYJ who is KMS's oppa and she was very traumatize that she forgot about him

It's definitely him, she's trying to find him. I was thinking that it was sad that she forgot but maybe not since she was so traumatized by it. The mind has a way of protecting you when you are young. Now that she's older she will be able to process it. I do feel bad for Young Joon since he thinks she forgot him. Poor guy, if he needs a hug this noona is willing to help him through this tough time.evil-smile-onion-head-emoticon.gif  

@aisling I went looking for your purse since @Ondine found it, I'll post the one I love

 

16 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

I agree that the father made a mistake but it has nothing to do with favoritism. In my opinion, since the kidnapping the parents must feel guilty after what LYJ had been put through and have tried to overcompensate the pain.

I agree they are not showing favoritism either but they are trying to make up for the trauma. LSY has to also realize that he has been away for years. The parents see LYJ all of the time, they are more familiar w/what's going on w/him than LSY. That's why the conversation also got directed to LYJ's way. 

 

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12 hours ago, Igotcaughtdancingagain said:

thank you sis @labyrinth525for this additional info.  yeah saw some of the illustrations from the webtoon and I am thrilled just thinking how the drama will render those scenes especially the skinships hihihi.

Can’t wait for next episode. I want to know if they will have this ...

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Kiss on the forehead :blush:

 

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14 hours ago, theonlyone88 said:

I read chinese version on webtoon at qqcomics which is until chapter 198 and will offer your spoilers on the plot.

 

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Both Mi So and Young Joon were kidnapped by a woman who was a mistress and got pregnant then lost her baby and got dumped by the man. They were 5 and 9 years at that time, Young Joon got brought to the redevelopment area that became the amusement park by his brother who wanted to abandon him as he was jealous of him and the attention that he was receiving from their parents. Young Joon met the woman there, was drugged and locked up with his hands and legs tied with cable tie. Mi So was took there after 3 days when she got up in the middle of the night, ran out looking after her mother then got tricked by the same women to where Young Joon was locked up and was also tied with cable tie.

 

The women wanted to kill both of them to accompany her in death but after some imploring by Young Jun decided to commit suicide instead, witnessing the women commit suicide but unable to do anything to help her thus became the trauma for him. To prevent Mi So from witnessing the same thing, he tricked her into thinking that the women was a huge giant spider that would kill her if she saw her, thus Mi So's  fear of spiders. His scar was created as he had to crawled to the women after she killed herself to get the scissors to cut away the cable tie and injured himself further but he cut both their cables and sent her home and she wanted to marry him and she grew up. 

 

Young Joon 's name was originally not this name but Seung _____ but when he got home after his kidnapping, he realised that his brother got too guilty at the kidnapping that he imagined himself being the target of kidnapping instead becoming violent and lashing out at Young Joon for the bullying and  kidnapping. It became an unhealthy situation at home and with the parents at a loss to what to do with the father suggested sending the brother to the mental hospital, thus Young Joon faked anesthesia  pretending to have forgotten anything and even apologising to his brother. The parents thus changed his name and pretended that his brother was the subject of the kidnapping instead.  As such, all this while Young Joon knew who Mi So was and also got her as his secretary for that reason.

 

Mi So  originally thought that the brother was the one who was kidnapped with her but Young Joon's mother told her that the one who was kidnapped wore a custom made designer shirt from a famous designer which Young Joon's brother did not have and that shirt was wore the day he was kidnapped and also the shirt in her memories . Thus, she knew that Young Joon was the brother in her dreams.

 

The chinese version of webtoon still ongoing and stopped where Mi So and Young Joon just officially became a couple and went for a vacation to celebrate Christmas. There will be a number of skinship moments including backhugs, few passionate kisses and a bed scene.

 

 

Delurking just to say thank you!!!  :)

the second kdrama I'm into after hwayugi, and I'm loving WWWSK, and was dying to know more !!

 

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Hi anyone having reading the webtoon on the Chinese site? I tried and it says (I used google translate to understand) "Because of policy reasons, comics are blocked, please support genuine comics".

 

Can anyone help me with this. Thanks

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