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[Mainland Chinese Web Drama 2020] Three Lives Three Worlds The Pillow Book 三生三世枕上书

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It’s kind of baffling. Why do Bai Qian and Feng Jiu agree to stay in the palaces of the sky kingdom where they were miserable...?

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2 hours ago, MayanEcho said:

 

Aranya's marriage to Xi Ze was more of political move by tyrannical Xiangli Que to control the shrine. As for Shen Ye, he could not say or do anything about the marriage because it took place on the day he returned to Fanyin Valley.

 

Ironically, Shen Ye went to Jiuchongtian for 90 days in place of supposedly sick and about to die Xi Ze.

 

Ever since Xize contracted his illness, everything at the shrine naturally fell onto his shoulders. This year, Jiuchongtian's Taishang Laojun held a lecture on the theory of zen at the Moonlight Garden on the 32nd celestial sky. He attended in place of Xize. At first, the gathering was said to last a long and dull 81 days. But because so many immortals were invited to the seminar, there formed a liveliness in the atmosphere. Taking advantage of the high spirits, the fruit fairy hosted a fruit party for the immortals, extending the event for nine more days. 

 

He never thought that by the time he returned to Fanyin Valley, he would be hearing wedding music. 


Aranya got married. Her groom was Xize. (PB2, pp308-309)

 

Shen Ye was supposed to be the saviour too of Aranya from the snake formation. Yet another irony, that on the day he returned from his 20 years seclusion, during the banquet prepared for him, SMY has taken Aranya to be his disciple. At that time, he acknowledged that he has no power to rescue her, and that SMY Can give her better protection. (PB2, pp305-307)

 

Even if Shen Ye was the archmage before Aranya's marriage, it is doubtful that he will have a say on whom her parents, who happened to be the king and queen, arrange her marriage to. Even SMY who was influential himself, was Aranya's master, and was in love with her, couldn't do anything. 

 

Besides, what can Shen Ye really protest of, when Aranya is getting married to his own master and predecessor? Marriage to Xi Ze was one of the best things to happen with Aranya, since she was given freedom and protection, she gained a good friend, and he was there to help fulfill her last wishes after he broke her out from her prison. 

To me to this day I still don't understand the logic behind the parents of Aranya... the mother threw her into the snake pit... the father dont care at all?... i get the mothers pov... arayna is a child she didn't want to have with the new husband. But what was aranya father thinking? Not even trying to save her... does he think that she's the daughter of his brother?

 

And after so many yrs they think they still have parental rights to her after abandoning her in that snake pit and let her die there... lucky she didn't die there but still died in the end in more heart broken way... even tho the Aranya and SY fate when the wrong way but gave DF a chance to be together i feel sad for those 2 side characters

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39 minutes ago, Megan said:

It’s kind of baffling. Why do Bai Qian and Feng Jiu agree to stay in the palaces of the sky kingdom where they were miserable...?

 

Did you mean Bai Qian as Su Su? As a mortal brought to Jiuchongtian by Tianjun himself, her choices were very limited. The only reason she wasn't immediately killed was her pregnancy. She was holding on as well to the memories of happiness with Ye Hua. She even planned to cultivate to become an immortal.

 

As for Feng Jiu, she wanted to pay her life debt. She knew it will be hard to serve, albeit unexpectedly, there was Zhi He who was really cruel and picked on her. Later on FJ was turned into that baby fox, and she was good in her life as DH's pet, until Ji Heng and Souying arrived in Tai Chen Palace.

 

The Qing Qiu women aunt and niece duo have very strong wills when they intend to do something. ^_^

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28 minutes ago, MayanEcho said:

 

Did you mean Bai Qian as Su Su? As a mortal brought to Jiuchongtian by Tianjun himself, her choices were very limited. The only reason she wasn't immediately killed was her pregnancy. She was holding on as well to the memories of happiness with Ye Hua. She even planned to cultivate to become an immortal.

 

As for Feng Jiu, she wanted to pay her life debt. She knew it will be hard to serve, albeit unexpectedly, there was Zhi He who was really cruel and picked on her. Later on FJ was turned into that baby fox, and she was good in her life as DH's pet, until Ji Heng and Souying arrived in Tai Chen Palace.

 

The Qing Qiu women aunt and niece duo have very strong wills when they intend to do something. ^_^

but why stay there when they marry their husbands? That’s what I meant. They have such unhappy memories there. Feng Jiu could have built her bamboo house. Bai Qian could have at least move to a different courtyard. Why stay in a place filled with sad memories?

oh yeah, I finished episode 3. It’s so sad. Zhihe seems to have mastered the sorrowless pastry after the return trip from Qingqiu. 
worst of all...POOR CARP SPIRIT. May he Rest In Peace. T.T

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1 hour ago, FoxontheMoon said:

To me to this day I still don't understand the logic behind the parents of Aranya... the mother threw her into the snake pit... the father dont care at all?... i get the mothers pov... arayna is a child she didn't want to have with the new husband. But what was aranya father thinking? Not even trying to save her... does he think that she's the daughter of his brother?

 

It's very twisted, but Xiangli Que loved Qinghua enough that he would let his wife do whatever she wanted with Aranya, even if she's his child. Qinghua resents Aranya, he also didn't care.

 

Things truly changed only when SMY took their daughter from the pit, and raised her so well, that the king saw the value of Aranya, albeit as another pawn to further his ambitions.

 

In a way, her being thrown to the snake pit was good in the long run. Even if Aranya was raised by snakes before she was under SMY's tutelage, she turned out to be way much better in character and capabilities compared to her horrid sisters who were brought up by their parents in the palace.

 

Actually, she's really FJ's shadow. Like FJ, Aranya is protective to those she loved, and for her subjects, she can also lay her life for them.

 

1 hour ago, FoxontheMoon said:

And after so many yrs they think they still have parental rights to her after abandoning her in that snake pit and let her die there... lucky she didn't die there but still died in the end in more heart broken way... even tho the Aranya and SY fate when the wrong way but gave DF a chance to be together i feel sad for those 2 side characters

 

Unfortunately, especially as they are the rulers of the Biyiniao clan, their rights as parents can not be alienated even if they abandoned Aranya from when she was born. 


DH respects too the love between his shadow and FJ's shadow. Hence the reason he had sealed Shen Ye's soul and Aranya's essences together in a four-season tree, in the hopes of better fortune for the ill-fated couple after million of years. (PB2, p351)

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1 hour ago, Megan said:

but why stay there when they marry their husbands? That’s what I meant. They have such unhappy memories there. Feng Jiu could have built her bamboo house. Bai Qian could have at least move to a different courtyard. Why stay in a place filled with sad memories?

oh yeah, I finished episode 3. It’s so sad. Zhihe seems to have mastered the sorrowless pastry after the return trip from Qingqiu. 
worst of all...POOR CARP SPIRIT. May he Rest In Peace. T.T

 

There were unhappy memories, but that doesn't mean they can not make good memories in the same place. Besides, those were centuries ago. As rulers, it won't do to stay emotional for something that happened after hundreds of years passed.

 

Ye Hua is the next Tianjun, so it follows that he lives there and Bai Qian should as well in his official residence. Xi Wu palace have different residential halls, if you watched TMOPB. 

 

Feng Jiu and Dong Hua would divide their time living in Tai Chen, Bihai Cangling, and Qing Qiu. They can easily do this since DH isn't Jiuchongtian ruler anymore.

 

The carp spirit - the blame goes to XY and ZH. XY for itching for a fight against DH, that's why his steward asked that carp to be in touch with ZL. As for ZH, she made FJ cook after she made her swim after the boat. Of course she's already so tired that she would fall asleep while cooking. Since the first fish burnt, FJ has to catch another one. Too bad it has to be that carp spirit. 

 

Re: Zhi He's sorrowless cakes, she got the taste right, but the person who eats her pastry doesn't feel happy. Whereas for FJ's, Lian Song, even Dong Hua, felt that dreamy light-heartedness. Like FJ said, it depends with the person making the sorrowless pastry. In her thoughts,  ZH should correct her ways and be a good and kind immortal.

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Feng Jiu not be confident in her artistic skills. True, she isn’t a chess player, or can play the qin, Nor does she practise calligraphy. But she is a good artist, as can be seen in episode 1. Like father like daughter.

Dong Hua and Jiheng are talented in all 4 arts. Shame that Jiheng just loves to steal credit. She really is no better than Zhihe.

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2 hours ago, Megan said:

Feng Jiu not be confident in her artistic skills. True, she isn’t a chess player, or can play the qin, Nor does she practise calligraphy. But she is a good artist, as can be seen in episode 1. Like father like daughter.

Dong Hua and Jiheng are talented in all 4 arts. Shame that Jiheng just loves to steal credit. She really is no better than Zhihe.

 

Bai Yi is the most talented artist of all realms. (PB1, p149) :) Another evidence that the nine-tailed fox clan is abundantly blessed. Once they learn from DH how to be more meticulous in their recordings (hello Nie Chuyin Bingcang fiasco!), to have the patience not to judge immediately until getting all info, they'll be close to being perfect immortals. :lol:

 

Though FJ is excellent in drawing/painting and good enough with the flute while so-so with others, she has practical skills. She cooks very well, and she has swordfighting skills...plus knowledge in fishing, digging holes and setting up traps, and breaking in... FJ can survive well on her own.

 

JH and ZH are alike in many ways, so sooner or later their acts mirror each other, with only the time as difference.

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3 hours ago, Megan said:

Feng Jiu not be confident in her artistic skills. True, she isn’t a chess player, or can play the qin, Nor does she practise calligraphy. But she is a good artist, as can be seen in episode 1. Like father like daughter.

Dong Hua and Jiheng are talented in all 4 arts. Shame that Jiheng just loves to steal credit. She really is no better than Zhihe.

Artistic talent can not fill an empty stomach! I am sure DH much prefer FJ who can cook delicious food.

 

On 8/18/2020 at 8:42 PM, Megan said:

Food for thought:

we both know Dong Hua and Xuanren are very possessive of Feng Jiu and refuse to share her. Shen Ye on the other hand was willing to let her be married to his master.

the main difference is that Dong Hua and Xuanren are pretty much at the top of the social ladder. Shen Ye, while high in status, is not the most powerful person and believes his master can protect Aranya better. If Shen Ye was as influential and powerful as Xize, do you think he would have protested their marriage?

I'd like to think SY would fight for AY if he was in the position to. But I am not sure if SY realised he was in love with AY at that point. So given the chance, he may not even protest the marriage.

SY seem to over think which leads to him hesitant. 

 

In reflection, SY didn't even have a close friend to discuss his concerns. At least DH and SXR had an option to talk to someone, or someone would verbalise their concerns. SY really was dealt with the worse cards compare to DH and SXR.

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20 hours ago, FoxontheMoon said:

To me to this day I still don't understand the logic behind the parents of Aranya... the mother threw her into the snake pit... the father dont care at all?... i get the mothers pov... arayna is a child she didn't want to have with the new husband. But what was aranya father thinking? Not even trying to save her... does he think that she's the daughter of his brother?

 

And after so many yrs they think they still have parental rights to her after abandoning her in that snake pit and let her die there... lucky she didn't die there but still died in the end in more heart broken way... even tho the Aranya and SY fate when the wrong way but gave DF a chance to be together i feel sad for those 2 side characters

I can see the Queens logic. She was most likely traumatized by her first husbands death. One may argue she was subjected to continuous abuse from the current king/husband. 

But my empathy for her is limited because of her actions towards Aranya. If Aranya triggered her trauma, she could have sent Aranya away, instead of throwing her into a pit. 

 

The king is a lost course. He probably only cared for his own pleasure and gains. It wouldn't be too far stretch to think the Queen may have made up some excuse about Aranya's disappearance and the King made no attempts to follow up with her well being.

 

Aranya and SY paid a high price for FJ and DH to be together. 

I am eternity grateful for that FJ and DH are together, but it still hurts to see how much Aranya and SY suffered. 

19 hours ago, Megan said:

but why stay there when they marry their husbands? That’s what I meant. They have such unhappy memories there. Feng Jiu could have built her bamboo house. Bai Qian could have at least move to a different courtyard. Why stay in a place filled with sad memories?

oh yeah, I finished episode 3. It’s so sad. Zhihe seems to have mastered the sorrowless pastry after the return trip from Qingqiu. 
worst of all...POOR CARP SPIRIT. May he Rest In Peace. T.T

I agree with @MayanEcho point.

FJ is very optimistic, resilient and pragmatic. 

FJ focus on the positive and what needs to be done to support DH. DH was also practical and supportive of FJ's needs. I think knowing that, FJ was happy enough to follow DH anywhere. Afterall,  for FJ, home is where DH is.

 

Ah, DongFeng are such positive role models for how a healthy relationship should be! Yes, I know, their lack of communication was not ideal, but they certainly have learnt by the end of the drama!

On 8/18/2020 at 7:00 PM, Megan said:

I am currently interested in writing a novel based on ancient mystical China. Hence why I am reading fiction books (not online!) about this.

what I have read so far:

1) Spin The Dawn

2) To The Sky Kingdom (currently)

3) 3 kingdoms (not really mystical but I loved the movie.)

4) 1000 beginnings and endings

5) fortune cookie fox

6) city of a thousand dolls

to read list:

1) Chinese fairy tales and legends

2) wicked fox

3) forest of a thousand lanterns

4) strange stories from a Chinese studio

5) classic of mountains and seas

any other reading suggestions? Plz mention only print books.

I also can’t remember where it was, but there was a link to a lot of ELOD comics. One of the comics showed Xiao Jiu jumping off the cliff and Xuanren crying no, but it was revealed that Xiao Jiu had just been bungee jumping and asked the emperor to join her because it was fun. The emperor and his Guards were left with wide eyes.

any body know the link?

 I would love to know the link, if any one knows. I can't read Chinese, but it would be nice to.look at the drawings :lol:

 

I don't have any suggestions Megan. I read alot of chinese novels that are translated into English. It's all online. 

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Finished episode 4. The subtitles showed a couple of errors here. One line had a question marks instead of spaces. Another line just didn’t make sense.

anyway, I find myself torn about XY’s actions. On one hand, he was cheated out of his duel. Dong Hua used him as free labour and practically provoked him into doing something drastic. On the other hand, stealing the soul-locking jade is a serious crime. 

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35 minutes ago, Megan said:

Finished episode 4. The subtitles showed a couple of errors here. One line had a question marks instead of spaces. Another line just didn’t make sense.

anyway, I find myself torn about XY’s actions. On one hand, he was cheated out of his duel. Dong Hua used him as free labour and practically provoked him into doing something drastic. On the other hand, stealing the soul-locking jade is a serious crime. 

 

XY was so dense not to get that DH was not interested to fight at all. Especially for XY's reason that he wants a duel because he thought that if he wins over DH, Xuyang will betroth JH to him instead. Tsk tsk. So ridiculously childish, so very stupid.

 

That's why after DH, baby fox FJ, and JH got out from the Evil Lotus land, DH gave XY the very sound trashing he deserves (not shown, but LS will discuss it with DH at EP 26).

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Throwback to the TMOPB couples (real or otherwise) :)

 

 

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5 hours ago, Megan said:

Finished episode 4. The subtitles showed a couple of errors here. One line had a question marks instead of spaces. Another line just didn’t make sense.

anyway, I find myself torn about XY’s actions. On one hand, he was cheated out of his duel. Dong Hua used him as free labour and practically provoked him into doing something drastic. On the other hand, stealing the soul-locking jade is a serious crime. 

Well....afterall DH is the ultimate shameless deity. 

 

Considering the severity of his action, XY got off lightly for stealing the soul locking Jade.

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I am currently reading the chapter in To The Sky Kingdom where Xuan Nu is finally punished. I have some questions.

1) after Bai Qian took back her face, Lijing was stunned by how his wife really looked. Do you think Xuan Nu’s  Original beauty had faded because of her evil actions over time, or was Lijing just unhappy that she no longer looked like Si Yin?

2) What happened to the blind Xuan Nu once they left? In the drama, Lijing agreed to have her executed. But what about in the book? Is it possible she could still be alive and unpunished, blindness notwithstanding?

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42 minutes ago, Megan said:

 

1) after Bai Qian took back her face, Lijing was stunned by how his wife really looked. Do you think Xuan Nu’s  Original beauty had faded because of her evil actions over time, or was Lijing just unhappy that she no longer looked like Si Yin?

 

He's surprised that after 70,000 years he's married to Xuan Nu, he finds out that she is borrowing somebody's face. I won't say he's not happy she doesn't look like Si Yin, but more like it was rammed home to him that up to that time, he never knew his wife's real face, or the extent of her lying, including to herself.

 

42 minutes ago, Megan said:

 

2) What happened to the blind Xuan Nu once they left? In the drama, Lijing agreed to have her executed. But what about in the book? Is it possible she could still be alive and unpunished, blindness notwithstanding?

 

Nothing has been mentioned afterwards after Bai Qian turned her back to how she originally looks, so Xuan Nu might have been executed as Ye Hua demanded Li Jing to do initially, or she is held somewhere else in the Ghoul realm, never to be seen by public anymore. You can check in chapter 12 of TTSK. This part resembles closely the drama EP36-37.

 

Note that the TTSK by Toland may not be the best reference as there were carelessly translated portions (the anglicised names, for instance), and the translation itself was too clinical.

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It kinda sucks that we never know what happened to XN. I console myself by coming up with how she has  already been punished for her crimes in the book.

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6 hours ago, Megan said:

I am currently reading the chapter in To The Sky Kingdom where Xuan Nu is finally punished. I have some questions.

1) after Bai Qian took back her face, Lijing was stunned by how his wife really looked. Do you think Xuan Nu’s  Original beauty had faded because of her evil actions over time, or was Lijing just unhappy that she no longer looked like Si Yin?

2) What happened to the blind Xuan Nu once they left? In the drama, Lijing agreed to have her executed. But what about in the book? Is it possible she could still be alive and unpunished, blindness notwithstanding?

I have not read the book. But the borrowing else's face sounds so messed up!

 

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3 hours ago, Megan said:

It kinda sucks that we never know what happened to XN. I console myself by coming up with how she has  already been punished for her crimes in the book.

 

Xuan Nu betrayal caused so much deaths that entire clans were wiped out. Her unhappy marriage and inability to bear a healthy child were not yet enough, IMO.

 

33 minutes ago, ChibiLy said:

I have not read the book. But the borrowing else's face sounds so messed up!

 

She used to be childhood friends with Bai Qian, and she liked BQ's face too much. Zhe Yan taught her the spell to have BQ's face, at BQ's indulging Xuan Nu. They asked her not to abuse that spell. But envy ate her heart.

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2 hours ago, ChibiLy said:

I have not read the book. But the borrowing else's face sounds so messed up!

 

What I find myself annoyed with is how Bai Qian never retrieves her stuff and always too late.

she should have recovered her face when Xuan Nu rubbed the soul jade in her face. But nope. She just walked out after declaring her and the purple palace enemies. And in the end, Xuan Nu gets the opportunity to kidnap Ali and MY.

she should have taken back her eyes once she became a goddess. Hell, even Zhe Yan commented on her eye status. But nope, Bai Qian decides to forget everything and her own eye injury allows Xuan Nu’s soldiers to stab her.

lesson to learn from Bai Qian; administer justice swiftly or it will bite you back.

 

anyway, Xuan Nu is not satisfied with her own beauty and wants to be the most beautiful. In a weird way, what she did was probably face surgery. I read in China Rich Girlfriend that Kitty’s husband got surgery to look like a celebrity. It failed.

Oh, yeah, for ELOD ep um...was it 4? Anyway, do you think Zhihe can actually make the sorrowless pastry now? Seems like it. I wonder how it will get out that Feng Jiu is the original maker....

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