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5 hours ago, UnluckyWhiteCat said:

 

Yep, totally delusional, smh. 

 

Also, there is a section from a bit after this line that Hamster abridged rather heavily, if you could understand the drama in Mandarin, I'm pretty sure the lines were lifted directly from the text (don't take my word for it though, I didn't directly compare).

 

The lines there are as I've translated: “But since I like Dijun and have persisted in this love for more than 200 years, I just want to try again… I want to try this luck. Perhaps there will be a day when that luck will become mine. In the end, who Dijun will choose is still not definite.”

 

Note: the word used in bold is 机缘, which can also be used to mean an opportunity, but the meaning of the word depends a bit on context, so make of that what you will. 

 

Here's what Hamster had: “Since I like Dijun and have persisted for more than 200 years, I still want to have a try at this love. Who Dijun chooses is still not definite.”

 

So, very much all about luck. -eyeroll-

 

 

LMAO definitely needs to reevaluate her life. 

I don’t mean to sound too critical but the problem with hamster’s translation in many parts is how it has been incorrectly paraphrased or abridged heavily, sometimes leaving out important details.

 

A clearer example of 机缘 is how Ye Hua was reborn. Father God preserved his soul on the gamble that he might one day find a way to be reborn. And that 机缘 did happen. The meaning is more like

this than what the english translation implied from hamster’s version.

 

It’s not just luck, its an opportunity provided by destiny. In Tang Qi’s 3L3W universe, destiny changes according to an individual’s 造化 (luck, karma, etc). So its a lot more involved than simple luck.

 

I would say Ji Heng wanted to take the gamble, except that she lost the bet.

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Fresh out of the oven! ELOD translation team presents author Tang Qi's 7th epilogue for The Pillow Book. We hope you get the joke because it is hilariously funny to the bones!!!    Source : @

The ELOD translation team have finally completed the English translation of Tang Qi's latest Pillow Book Epilogue. We hope you will enjoy the read! Shameless DH in action yet again!   S

Ok - for those wondering what Vengo said during his interview (I only translated up to this point. The rest was his message for his love rivals, which I won't go into, his appreciation to viewers for

34 minutes ago, UnluckyWhiteCat said:

 

Unfortunately I can totally see why. :/

 

:crybaby:

 

I'm not usually particularly discerning about the quality of production and I certainly don't usually notice any directorial flaws, but there were some things in this drama that just screamed 'low budget' and 'poor production quality' for me. For example, I noticed that a lot of the lighting was really poorly done, like one image would be super bright, and then they'd change to focus on another person, and the lighting for that person would be super dark... for me it was just really really jarring and it took me a long time to get over how awful it was. 

 

Aesthetically, while I did like the pastels more, I think a lot of people are comparing it to TMoPB because they were marketing it as a "sequel," and it honestly doesn't quite live up. Imo, it just looks... cheaper. I'm not sure if it's because they were using lighter fabrics while TMoPB's looked, I don't know, "heavier" maybe? but a lot of the costumes did look a little cheap to me. 

 

And apparently ELoD's budget was lower, so that just ruined it. But I did feel like the CGI was mostly really nice, maybe that's where their budget went. :/

 

The guy in the video did mention though that it had the most ratings out of all of the dramas, so that's a plus, and weren't there supposedly a lot of haters purposely dragging down the rating? That could be why it's rated so low. 

I wouldn't be this sad if the series that toped ELOD were deserving but rom-coms with loose plot, average acting that is filled by fluffy moments are ranked higher especially "I've fallen for you" & "the romance of tiger and rose".. I think ELOD haters are deliberately dragging down the ratings.. minor things like lightings, poor costume and poor editing can be over looked when a plot has depth and intellectual writings with stellar cast compared to series which purely exists for "moe" contents with illogical themes :cries:

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2 hours ago, Aari sky said:

I wouldn't be this sad if the series that toped ELOD were deserving but rom-coms with loose plot, average acting that is filled by fluffy moments are ranked higher especially "I've fallen for you" & "the romance of tiger and rose".. I think ELOD haters are deliberately dragging down the ratings.. minor things like lightings, poor costume and poor editing can be over looked when a plot has depth and intellectual writings with stellar cast compared to series which purely exists for "moe" contents with illogical themes.

 

ELOD is a bit polarising, because many had really expected it to be the sequel of TMOPB. Which is not. Honestly, it would have helped if expectations were set beforehand - a prologue, or some note before the episode starts, wherein production mentions that this is the actual story of DH and FJ.

 

Some viewers may not have got still the story, because other than FJ becoming the maid and pet fox of DH, and the mortal realm sojourn, they still thought she was chasing DH...which was not at all true anymore from the wedding of BQ and YH. It was the other way around, that DH turns up where she happens to, and is the one who seeks her out.

 

I believe the personal issues against the lead characters especially by their own and other fandoms might have also dragged the ratings down. It is unfortunate, but reality wise, their numbers are significant enough to affect ratings. Apart from that, there were brouhahas before production, like that of the protagonist wanting the main role, or the pair up of the main characters have objections from some groups...It's difficult to reason out with prejudices and biases. Fortunately, the show was quite stellar in the sense that rights to air it in Korea and Malaysia, despite its availability online, pushed through.

 

Now the script. Though I'm happy enough that there are more details for mortal realm compared to the book, I resent some characters there because they're insertions that the series can do without. The mortal arc annoyed many because it dragged, and there are scenes there that simply displeased because it has nothing to do with DH, YQT, and FJ. 

 

The last few episodes editing almost wrecked the whole story. Important scenes in the book were not included, while ridiculous made up fillers were included in the final cut. Post production was so out of focus in the last two episodes, particularly the finale, which almost ruined everything else for giving that HEA for the source of most of the miseries of the main characters.

 

Nonetheless, it is satisfying that there were that much voters for ELOD. For me, that's a good indication on how popular it is, how much reach to the public. That it was regarded as a threat. This too even with mainly via soc med promotion of the show. Aside from that, ELOD's total votes is almost twice more than the second series having the most numbers of votes.

 

About the aesthetics, I really love the CGI. Hands down it's one of the best  for a series which doesn't have that much budget to begin with. However, I also agree with @UnluckyWhiteCat, that the way they had shot for some scenes were poorly done, and the costumes were just not special enough. For instance, Bingcang ceremony could have had a different outfit for FJ and main attendees, but no, same clothes. Bai Zhi and Bai Yi were wearing the same wedding fineries. It felt like FJ was wearing the same clothes for days, and didn't bother to change for her big day. 

 

I've no complaints though acting-wise. The veterans, the newbies, and the extras worked hard and well. And though many of us expected a better rank for ELOD story plot, this is just one survey to which it topped total number of ratings. The popularity on how the adaptation interpreted the novel will eventually trump the others over time.

 

3 hours ago, Ninky said:

I don’t mean to sound too critical but the problem with hamster’s translation in many parts is how it has been incorrectly paraphrased or abridged heavily, sometimes leaving out important details.

 

A clearer example of 机缘 is how Ye Hua was reborn. Father God preserved his soul on the gamble that he might one day find a way to be reborn. And that 机缘 did happen. The meaning is more like

this than what the english translation implied from hamster’s version.

 

It’s not just luck, its an opportunity provided by destiny. In Tang Qi’s 3L3W universe, destiny changes according to an individual’s 造化 (luck, karma, etc). So its a lot more involved than simple luck.

 

I would say Ji Heng wanted to take the gamble, except that she lost the bet.

 

Grateful that you, @UnluckyWhiteCat, and others have given your time to correct portions of the available translated English text of The Pillow Book.

:foryou:

If ever TQ decides to give the go signal for official book in English, may you be part of the reviewers at least, to keep the author's spirit in storytelling and for the story to remain true in the translated work.

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2 hours ago, Aari sky said:

I wouldn't be this sad if the series that toped ELOD were deserving but rom-coms with loose plot, average acting that is filled by fluffy moments are ranked higher especially "I've fallen for you" & "the romance of tiger and rose".. I think ELOD haters are deliberately dragging down the ratings.. minor things like lightings, poor costume and poor editing can be over looked when a plot has depth and intellectual writings with stellar cast compared to series which purely exists for "moe" contents with illogical themes :cries:

I think many viewers didn't get pass the first 10 episodes. Those who watched the whole drama obviously loved and rewatched it many times. 

 

ELOD storyline may seem superficial, but it actually have many valuable messages. I don't think many viewers took the time to analysis it. Most importantly, majority of the voters are younger, so the teens would naturally be attracted to the more simple and fun drama.

 

Regarding ELOD production. It isn’t perfect, but the superior acting and storyline is enough for me to overlook some questionable editing and makeup.

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15 minutes ago, ChibiLy said:

I think many viewers didn't get pass the first 10 episodes. Those who watched the whole drama obviously loved and rewatched it many times. 

 

ELOD storyline may seem superficial, but it actually have many valuable messages. I don't think many viewers took the time to analysis it. Most importantly, I think most voters are younger, so the teens would naturally be attracted to the more simple and fun drama.

 

Regarding ELOD production. It isn’t perfect, but the superior acting and storyline is enough for me to overlook some questionable editing and makeup.

 

Agree with everything you said. :) 

 

ELOD is a beautiful story that requires patience. And even if the story is set in a fantasy world, the values that were given importance of resonate to viewers.

 

Wasn't even aware there's some kind of votes and rating. Otherwise, the more matured and international audience could have joined if it's allowed to do so.

 

Fearless forecast with the ELOD series - it will be a cult classic. It can also become the benchmark for chemistry and less is more elegance.

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3 hours ago, Aari sky said:

I wouldn't be this sad if the series that toped ELOD were deserving but rom-coms with loose plot, average acting that is filled by fluffy moments are ranked higher especially "I've fallen for you" & "the romance of tiger and rose".. I think ELOD haters are deliberately dragging down the ratings.. minor things like lightings, poor costume and poor editing can be over looked when a plot has depth and intellectual writings with stellar cast compared to series which purely exists for "moe" contents with illogical themes

 

Ugh, I totally agree, the storyline was sooo good, I could overlook the other issues when I re-watch. I'm also a sucker for dramas that I've read the books for, even if the cinematic quality isn't that good, I think I just like to see the story brought to life?

 

2 hours ago, MayanEcho said:

ELOD is a bit polarising, because many had really expected it to be the sequel of TMOPB. Which is not. Honestly, it would have helped if expectations were set beforehand - a prologue, or some note before the episode starts, wherein Production mentions that this is the actual story of DH and FJ.

 

It's sooo unfortunate, it might have done better if people knew this before starting it, I've seen so many comments from people complaining that it wasn't a sequel to TMoPB and dropping it over that. But well, at least we know. Their loss. And the views don't lie. 

 

Thankfully, I actually read the book first a while ago (English translated, of course because I assumed it was complete at the time so didn't bother with Chinese cause my English is better anyways) and liked it sooo much more than TMoPB, which I found after watching the drama when it came out. But I live under a rock >.< so I didn't actually even realize that there was a drama for TPB until like a week or two after it finished airing. I was so excited when I found out and that I didn't even have to wait weekly for them to release new episodes, I just binged it in like three days. 

 

:hooray2:

 

2 hours ago, MayanEcho said:

Grateful that you, @UnluckyWhiteCat, and others have given your time to correct portions of the available translated English text of The Pillow Book.

 

<3

 

Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but at least for me, it's a really good way to occupy my summer vacation cause classes don't start up again for another two months, and other than work (only part time), I have literally nothing else going on this summer. :/ 

 

It's definitely really interesting seeing the way Hamster's chosen to translate it, versus the way I would. She definitely takes a lot of liberties with the text to make it clearer to English speakers, where I personally prefer something much more literal. Also, like @Ninky explained, a lot of terms and concepts in Chinese don't translate neatly into English, there are a lot of connotations involved, so sometimes you just kind of have to pick a word in English. :/ I personally think she actually did a really good job in that respect, but, well, for the sake of completion... 

 

I actually just started re-doing my entire translation (after I already finished doing it once -facepalm-) for both volumes, but going through the text line by line this time, so when I'm done it should be much closer to the literal meaning, and I am doing it according to my own preference, so I've changed a lot of the sentence structure. I'll (try to) clean it up a bit and it certainly won't be perfect, but I have footnotes to explain all the major changes as well as explaining anything that isn't easily translatable. Like cursing LOL. At my current pace, I should be done sometime around the end of August or early September, I'll just send it out to everyone I've emailed before, and if you're no longer interested by then, you can just ignore it. :) 

 

2 hours ago, MayanEcho said:

If ever TQ decides to give the go signal for official book in English, may you be part of the reviewers at least, to keep the author's spirit in storytelling and for the story to remain true in the translated work.

 

I would LOVE an official translation. 

 

51 minutes ago, ChibiLy said:

I think many viewers didn't get pass the first 10 episodes. Those who watched the whole drama obviously loved and rewatched it many times. 

 

Unfortunate. :/ It got so much better after even the first six? after she stopped being a maid. Tbh, I only watched the first six episodes that first time, and I had to fast forward every time Diliraba was acting as the fox because it was just so cringeworthy for me, even if I knew she's supposed to be acting all lovesick. 

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42 minutes ago, UnluckyWhiteCat said:

But I live under a rock >.< so I didn't actually even realize that there was a drama for TPB until like a week or two after it finished airing. I was so excited when I found out and that I didn't even have to wait weekly for them to release new episodes, I just binged it in like three days. 

 

Ahahaha, we're almost similar there. I started watching Cdrama only last December. The first story I even saw had a disastrous ending because it ended at the middle of the novel it was based from.

 

January I tried again, this time with TMOPB. Which I really loved and binged watched, even if I thought its book translation was quite bland. By mid-January, I found out about The Pillow Book, downloaded it, and read within the day. However, the best bonus is finding out online that there's an adaptation about to be aired in just a few days! :love:

 

42 minutes ago, UnluckyWhiteCat said:

At my current pace, I should be done sometime around the end of August or early September, I'll just send it out to everyone I've emailed before, and if you're no longer interested by then, you can just ignore it. 

 

Oh, I'd be looking forward to it! I've no issues over different styles of translation or who is the translator. My concern would always be whether the translated material is still the same feels, angst, spirit, and mood as written by the author in the original text. I'm very appreciative that you're putting in your work some of the redacted portions.

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31 minutes ago, MayanEcho said:

Ahahaha, we're almost similar there. I started watching Cdrama only last December. The first story I even saw had a disastrous ending because it ended at the middle of the novel it was based from.

 

Uh, that drama wouldn't happen to be Princess Agents, would it? :sweatingbullets:

 

I'm one of those people who LOVES spoilers, so I try reaaaally hard to wait until the drama's ended and I can find out the ending first before I start watching. Like, the waiting just drives me insane. So I started watching Princess Agents already knowing what the ending was, so thankfully, no shock there. 

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1 hour ago, UnluckyWhiteCat said:

 

Uh, that drama wouldn't happen to be Princess Agents, would it? :sweatingbullets:

 

I'm one of those people who LOVES spoilers, so I try reaaaally hard to wait until the drama's ended and I can find out the ending first before I start watching. Like, the waiting just drives me insane. So I started watching Princess Agents already knowing what the ending was, so thankfully, no shock there. 

 

Yep! Ahahaha! Will there ever be second part for that? Pity, coz the novel is good. I don't suppose the plagiarism issue has been resolved until now. YT views per episode is 8 figures at least, so kinda sure it would have been picked up for the 2nd part if there wasn't a big problem.

 

Mwahahah, one king there is kinda DH like, stalking his first and only love.

 

I watched it by chance - due to curiosity because I've seen clips passing by my FB feeds. I finally watched one clip, that one of Yuwen Yue teaching Chu Quiao how to use the bow for the ice arrow. Liked the BGM, so I watched the whole thing until it imploded at the "middle story" ending.

 

I was kinda aware of its "ending" due to the clips FB parade. I just didn't bother with the whys of it until it stopped and there wasn't any continuation after few years since last episode aired. ^_^

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4 hours ago, MayanEcho said:

 

Ahahaha, we're almost similar there. I started watching Cdrama only last December. The first story I even saw had a disastrous ending because it ended at the middle of the novel it was based from.

 

January I tried again, this time with TMOPB. Which I really loved and binged watched, even if I thought its book translation was quite bland. By mid-January, I found out about The Pillow Book, downloaded it, and read within the day. However, the best bonus is finding out online that there's an adaptation about to be aired in just a few days! :love:

 

 

Oh, I'd be looking forward to it! I've no issues over different styles of translation or who is the translator. My concern would always be whether the translated material is still the same feels, angst, spirit, and mood as written by the author in the original text. I'm very appreciative that you're putting in your work some of the redacted portions.

:sparklyeyes:

We will be working on the famous scenes of the Pillow book for our blog as we have mentioned. I am currently raw translating chapter 2 part one of lotus step. Note we will be releasing it in the same part order as the chinese version. 
 

@SC2019 is working on something really interesting :) which @MayanEcho is in the know about!

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9 hours ago, Aari sky said:

I wouldn't be this sad if the series that toped ELOD were deserving but rom-coms with loose plot, average acting that is filled by fluffy moments are ranked higher especially "I've fallen for you" & "the romance of tiger and rose".. I think ELOD haters are deliberately dragging down the ratings.. minor things like lightings, poor costume and poor editing can be over looked when a plot has depth and intellectual writings with stellar cast compared to series which purely exists for "moe" contents with illogical themes :cries:

Ah but I loved The Romance of Tiger and Rose. The whole cast portayed their characters well and yes it was light and fluffy but it still had its angst and sad moments (I cried watching the end). 

 

Still I'm happy ELOD is still in top 10 despite all the haters and negative comments, and even had the highest number of reviews. :wub:

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2 hours ago, Ninky said:

We will be working on the famous scenes of the Pillow book for our blog as we have mentioned. I am currently raw translating chapter 2 part one of lotus step. Note we will be releasing it in the same part order as the chinese version. 
 

@SC2019 is working on something really interesting :) which @MayanEcho is in the know about!

 

Yay! Excited much for the next translated Lotus Step chapter! 

 

And Pillow Book most poignant scenes.

 

And of what's @SC2019 working on.

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2 hours ago, chsaf said:

Ah but I loved The Romance of Tiger and Rose. The whole cast portayed their characters well and yes it was light and fluffy but it still had its angst and sad moments (I cried watching the end). 

 

Still I'm happy ELOD is still in top 10 despite all the haters and negative comments, and even had the highest number of reviews. :wub:

I also love rom-coms, they are my guilty pleasures, but like I said these genre exists for pure "fluffy" contents, like there is no solid plot. U can literally wear lingerie and walk in public during ancient era still it would be potrayed in comic light, writers can do watever they want in this Universe coz there is no Logic or definite rules. So to see such genre top Intellectual writings is very sad for me coz TMOPB & ELOD etc are one of a kind whereas u'll find fluffy themes like "romance of tiger and rose" in large number for each year. infact my most favorite scene is from "I've fallen for you" where ML sings that song during FL fake wedding. But no matter how we calculate ELOD is superior to "Moe" series coz of the definite structure of its universe:sad1:

 

Also the ratings were from "douban" this was the very site where yangzi's crazy fans went and down voted ELOD out of spite :smashes:

 

p.s: acc to me, out of all the rom-coms the only series that had some logical structure for it's plot was "Eternal love 1 & 2" writers took time to properly build the plot and it's supernatural elements.

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2 hours ago, Aari sky said:

Also the ratings were from "douban" this was the very site where yangzi's crazy fans went and down voted ELOD out of spite

 

The Golden Eagle Goddess award is up again this year, right?

 

She's nominated and if she doesn't win again..? She's at the top apparently, but she's up against Yang Mi and Angelababy.

 

If she wins this time around, that will take off some fan hate against Dilraba. However, woe to the one who wins it instead, because she might be the next target of hating from her fans. However, if the winner is way more established than her, her fans will be chastened.

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@UnluckyWhiteCat, @MayanEcho Speaking of Princess Agents, I was one who followed it from the beginning to the end. You can't imagine how many curses we threw at the production company for the awful ending here at soompi :lol: Even though ELOD has choppy editing in the last few episodes, PA had it much worse. At least we got the HEA in ELOD. And I'm forever thankful for that. 

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16 minutes ago, pawla said:

@UnluckyWhiteCat, @MayanEcho Speaking of Princess Agents, I was one who followed it from the beginning to the end. You can't imagine how many curses we threw at the production company for the awful ending here at soompi :lol: Even though ELOD has choppy editing in the last few episodes, PA had it much worse. At least we got the HEA in ELOD. And I'm forever thankful for that. 

 

Aww, I can imagine! I felt so sad watching the last episode (with that BGM :tears:), and then so very dismayed after finding out why there's no continuation. I liked the 4 main characters there, and even the support casts were also good. Yue Qi actor is now making waves himself, right? 

 

If any of them main 4 becomes part of 3L3W future adaptations, I'll be very happy. It was really nice seeing the Su Jin actress who was also in PA. I won't mind seeing the Yue Qi and Xiao Ce actors as well. 

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Watching a clip again,

Zhihe wants to confront Jiheng, angry that this marriage would take away Dong Hua and humiliate her. Um, how exactly is she being humiliated? She was never a suitor to begin with....

also; do you think Dong Hua knows it was his little fox that left him potatoes?

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“Everything about her is wonderful.”

“Since I picked her, naturally everything about her is wonderful.” 

 

PS: I Copycat DJ words .He glorified about the love of his life Xiao Bai... whereas mine is to glorifying about one of the best drama that I loved in my life .. ELOD

:heart4:

 

ELOD drama was not perfect..the editing parts especially ...still felt bitter and cursed at editing team tho ... But despite a lot of lacking or deficiency as we did awared of, I still loved it. Still my no1 cdrama . I love everything about it . Apparently the amazing chemistry between Guangre/Dongfeng couple "concealed" all of the flawed.. don't know about anyone opinions but I've already passed the stage  (from the second time I re-watched it)not to cared about the flawed that ELOD's had especially the costumes. Maybe because, although the costumes look cheap, but since both Mainlead (VengoReba) is beautiful and gorgeous , their beauty always "outshined" their 'cheap' clothes. Agree with DJ...l love FJ in red ( Red of saha-Manjusaka) and also agree with FJ.. DJ look so good in purple..

 

PB1 Page 312

 

At this time when she lay still inside the force field, her elegant features were more pronounced.
White skirt white blouse didn't suit her, however. It was the enchanting
bright red of Saha-Manjusaka that suited her better. 

 

PB1 page 186 

 

From Heaven to Earth, no one was as eternally loyal to this purple color of garment and could wear it as beautifully as Donghua.

__________

Dongfeng's mesmerising beautiful love story and also Guangre's super amazing sizzling chemistry has made ELOD'S Greatly Amazingly Wonderful drama.

 

 

PB2 page 87

 

“Very beautiful,” he told her. “And she'll be even more beautiful when she grows up.” He paused then added: “She has a good personality too.” Then he recalled: “Also very talented. Talented in everything.” And finally
concluded: “Everything about her is wonderful.” Then as though he was speaking to himself: “Since I picked her, naturally everything about her is wonderful.”
 

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43 minutes ago, jimmylyne said:

ELOD drama was not perfect..the editing parts especially ...still felt bitter and cursed at editing team tho ... But despite a lot of lacking or deficiency as we did awared of, I still loved it. Still my no1 cdrama . I love everything about it . Apparently the amazing chemistry between Guangre/Dongfeng couple "concealed" all of the flawed.. don't know about anyone opinions but I've already passed the stage  (from the second time I re-watched it)not to cared about the flawed that ELOD's had especially the costumes. Maybe because, although the costumes look cheap, but since both Mainlead (VengoReba) is beautiful and gorgeous , their beauty always "outshined" their 'cheap' clothes. Agree with DJ...l love FJ in red ( Red of saha-Manjusaka) and DJ look so good in purple..

 

I feel the same with you over ELOD. It's almost perfect except really for the editing at the last few episodes. That's where the lingering bitterness is - when editing team removed the important parts such as Aranya in jail, and barely shown Di Jun about destiny.

 

I'm actually fine that their outfits are simple, as I believe in less is more. They look elegant and neat. My gripe though is on Bingcang ceremony, and even the wedding ceremony too. They should have had different outfits for those occasions. Not even for everyone, but at least for the wedding, the Bais would, and on the Bingcang ceremony, at least FJ, Bai Zhi, Bai Yi, and Bai Zhen could have had another set. Or some accessories or layer to make their clothes look different.

 

If those sets of special outfits were not possible, at least FJ could have had a new dress, preferably red for Bingcang ceremony. As it is, it looked as if she didn't bother to change the clothes she was already wearing for days. :tears:

 

The funny thing is that DH was in a one time outfit for her Bingcang (correct me if I'm wrong, hehehe). Nonetheless, like DH said, FJ is perfect the way she is. It's just wishful thinking that she was in red to match DH's vivid purple.

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