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Fresh out of the oven! ELOD translation team presents author Tang Qi's 7th epilogue for The Pillow Book. We hope you get the joke because it is hilariously funny to the bones!!!    Source : @

The ELOD translation team have finally completed the English translation of Tang Qi's latest Pillow Book Epilogue. We hope you will enjoy the read! Shameless DH in action yet again!   S

Ok - for those wondering what Vengo said during his interview (I only translated up to this point. The rest was his message for his love rivals, which I won't go into, his appreciation to viewers for

1 hour ago, Ninky said:

Me read both, i feel strongly there is no plagirism. She won case in court.Courts said plagiarism cannot be proven. Those accusers backed off after that. 
 

Tang Qi said she used to just let them attack her but she said she now grew a spine and will defend all allegations legally and will sue people for defamation should they try accusing her with 0 proof.

 

Those idiots cleared out of her weibo finally. Now she is back focused on writing this series.

I was under the impression that the allegations of plagiarism were inconclusive at best (on a legal capacity) as the original author of the BL novel was unable to take the case to court. As BL is an illegal genre and would have essentially resulted in self-incrimination if the case went to court.

 

Plagiarism and copyright infringement is near impossible to prove if one side is not even allowed to present their novel as a viable piece of evidence. Keeping in mind that plagiarism is a word for word form of copying/stealing, whereas copyright infringement is taking concepts scenes and rewriting them with different characters (in this case, a heterosexual couple), paraphrasing or using synonyms, or even just changing a sequence of events/scenes (the harder to prove).

 

Regardless,  China is probably not the best judge of plagiarism/copyright infringement as their evaluation system for "copyrighting" is rarely updated or enforced. In fact, a committee for checking plagiarism in the entertainment field was not developed until 2017. With scripts being over 60 episodes long, that is a lot of reading that one person has to do in order to compare two separate pieces of work. Let alone works of this genre, which should have way more in common regardless if it was plagiarized or not. This is based on common folklore, fantasy, myths, etc.

 

As I have not read the original novel in question, I cannot agree or disagree one way or the other, but to be fair, there will never be a conclusive legal decision on the matter. As an educator and a member on the Board of Academia at the university I work with, this is too complex an issue. There are about 15 different criteria that two separate pieces of work have to have in common in order to be determined as plagiarism.

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2 hours ago, jimmylyne said:

 

I gained some experience and learnt a good lessons back then..not to bothered by any unpleasant comments just concentrated and enjoyed on what make me feels entertained.. loves what's l loved.

 

It's choosing the right battle to wage. :) Sometimes we want to react, but sometimes it's better to let it slide and move on.

 

"...Putting away your sword, is drawing out your sword better." - Xu Yang to Yan Chiwu, Ep53 ELOD

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1 hour ago, Ninky said:

Me read both, i feel strongly there is no plagirism. She won case in court.Courts said plagiarism cannot be proven. Those accusers backed off after that. 
 

Tang Qi said she used to just let them attack her but she said she now grew a spine and will defend all allegations legally and will sue people for defamation should they try accusing her with 0 proof.

 

Those idiots cleared out of her weibo finally. Now she is back focused on writing this series.

 

Court decisions can take long, but the fact that TQ brought the battle to where losing it means her credibility on her being a writer will be very sorely affected says something.

 

If her detractors kept on it when there's legal backing that says it's her original work, then they all deserve being sued. How funny would it have been if they were sued for being that idiot who defies the courts and continue harassing someone because of what they thought she did.

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1 hour ago, vivi0303 said:

I was under the impression that the allegations of plagiarism were inconclusive at best (on a legal capacity) as the original author of the BL novel was unable to take the case to court. As BL is an illegal genre and would have essentially resulted in self-incrimination if the case went to court.

 

@vivi0303 How are you? :)

 

BL novel author and supporters probably never expected TQ to head to the courts. :)

 

The decision of the courts matter more and hold more weight than what they think she did. It must have been hard too for her.

 

There's no case for them if they can not present even scant evidences that what she wrote is not originally hers, or for that matter, meets the Chinese laws criteria to consider it as plagiarism.

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49 minutes ago, MayanEcho said:

 

It's choosing the right battle to wage. :) Sometimes we want to react, but sometimes it's better to let it slide and move on.

 

"...Putting away your sword, is drawing out your sword better." - Xu Yang to Yan Chiwu, Ep53 ELOD

Very true...

 

ELOD drama is a blessing to me actually. I love this drama and also loves the interaction between the fans especially in this forum..everyday learnt something new .

I really love all the members mostly because  everyone here is very polite and open minded.:wub: 

 

PS; One more page we'll reach 800:D

 

 Hi @vivi0303 *wave*

It's been a while..

 

Thks for the insights regarding plagiarism.

 

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8 minutes ago, MayanEcho said:

 

BL novel author and supporters probably never expected TQ to head to the courts. The decision of the courts matter more than what they think she did. :)

 

There's no case for them if they can not present even scant evidences that what she wrote is not originally hers, or for that matter, meets the Chinese laws criteria to consider it as plagiarism.

I feel that the Chinese really engage in virtual harassment and bullying. 

 

Look at this series and its' haters. Weibo was a hot nightmare with neutral fans literally drowned out. They produce a lot of keyboard warriors over there. I wonder if they are going to adapt any anti-bullying/harassment policies over there, or at least enforce something. SMH.

 

Regardless if TQ plagiarized or not, she did not deserve to be harassed the way she was. I heard that the other novel was translated and officially published in another country. Foreign policy might be in their favor to take to the courts overseas if they truly believe they were plagiarized. That's assuming TQ's work was also published in the same country. Plagiarism is about to get an international face lift if Nora Roberts wins her multinational plagiarism lawsuit.

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6 minutes ago, jimmylyne said:

Very true...

 

ELOD drama is a blessing to me actually. I love this drama and also loves the interaction between the fans especially in this forum..everyday learnt something new .

I really love all the members mostly because  everyone here is very polite and open minded.:wub: 

 

PS; One more page well reach 800:D

 

 

 

I agree with you. I too always learn something new. Makes ElOD more exciting and intriguing and very hard to move on. The members on this forum indeed more mature and voice their opinions in a respectful way. 
 Yeayy to 800 pages soon. A big group hugs for u all. :wub:. One of the reason I can keep my sanity during self iso :D

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5 minutes ago, vivi0303 said:

Plagiarism is about to get an international face lift if Nora Roberts wins her multinational plagiarism lawsuit.

 

Woah. I remember reading a few books of Nora Roberts long ago. She's quite popular, how can Cristiane Serruya think no one else will notice entire passages copied? Then puts blame to the ghostwriter? Tsk tsk.

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33 minutes ago, vivi0303 said:

 

Look at this series and its' haters. Weibo was a hot nightmare with neutral fans literally drowned out. They produce a lot of keyboard warriors over there. I wonder if they are going to adapt any anti-bullying/harassment policies over there, or at least enforce something. SMH.

 

When I see comments saying the same thing over and over again, I'm already pretty sure it's bots at work.

 

As I understand it, reactions or comments against those "controversial" posts can also potentially earn the commenter/poster something. I've seen posts saying that it's a professional troll who posted, trying to fill the qouta so that he or she has income for the day. 

 

Taking that with a grain of salt, as I acknowledge that there are differences in opinions and views. How they word what they think though is another thing. 

 

I will never understand how much others can hate someone or something to bully and harass online as if it's their career. :mellow: It will be wonderful if something very tangible can be done for those who do.

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8 minutes ago, Dreams87 said:

I agree with you. I too always learn something new. Makes ElOD more exciting and intriguing and very hard to move on. The members on this forum indeed more mature and voice their opinions in a respectful way. 
 Yeayy to 800 pages soon. A big group hugs for u all. :wub:. One of the reason I can keep my sanity during self iso :D

Very hard to move on.. agreed

It's not that I haven't try to move on by watching another drama..I did but at the end 

I can't .. maybe it'll take a while..but at the meantime,.. there's always be ELOD to re-watched:lol:

One more thing .. I'm so bad because I will compared  ML/FL in others drama with Dongfeng's affectionate and sweets and DH's awesomeness in the fights scenes..which is so far .. there's no comparison.

 

*"Damn ..if you fight with DH ..you will finished in blink of an eyes"

 

*"Why you two stare blankly at each other when you're supposedly in love with each other..if only V/R ....."

 

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@jimmylyne V and R had set the bars high in chemistry and being cute without being annoying. :)

 

@Dreams87 ELOD will be one of the heartwarming things to remember when we look back on this period of pandemic.

 

Me: no one gives that one side eye look as DH/V does, nor foxy innocent as FJ/R. I also want the sweet and sour fish recipe, just to know how bad is it? :lol:

 

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6 hours ago, Ninky said:

she also believed the first book was plagiarised unfortunately and this may have given her a bias. she had a video stating her opinion which I disagreed but people have a right to their own opinion.

It really pissed me off, like for argument sake let's say TQ did plagiarised still the drama TMOPB stands on its own since director /screenwriter made 80% of improvs , the novel's only has BQ POV but the drama made peach blossom into a third person PoV with adding lot of made up stories / characters, so from that point alone TMOPB deserves 10/10 (even though I loathe butchering of Dongfeng parts)

 

It sucks more that ElOD ended up becoming the scapegoat for these people even wen no one can dare to accuse plagiarization about Pillow book, this is the original book of TQ in every sense and has no similarly to any  other xianxia genre novels (apart from basic themes like Buddhism, taoism ) yet they take out their disappointment of "Peach Blossom" plagiarization on ELOD :dissapointed_relieved:

5 hours ago, jimmylyne said:

 

@Aari sky

 

 An old post from me and @Bai Gun Gun was just two of many examples who's responded /reacted to Avenuex's reviews.

 

Avenuex!  

 

She became quite popular in this forum because of her biased reviews about ELOD because she already said a lot of comments Based on just seen 1/5 parts of the drama she already said a lots of negative thing...which is why I think her opinions was invalid.

 

She complained about everything, costumes, make up, lighting, directing , shadows, bad scripts...etc etc..the most gibberish one is " lack/no chemistry between the main lead!!!"?..

Maybe she not wrong about the costumes because ELOD was a low budget drama compared to TMOPB .The different like an Oscar party ( TMOPB) and High School Prom party(ELOD)..but I think ELOD's not bad, there's a few costumes on DH and FJ I'd loved tho..

 

I gained some experience and learnt a good lessons back then..not to bothered by any unpleasant comments just concentrated and enjoyed on what make me feels entertained.. loves what's l loved.

Ikr, if she had given such review to every other drama then I would have understood her pov to an extent.. but when she gives good reviews to guilty pleasure/rom-com series like "hypnotic love" "I've fallen in love with u" etc etc which litreally has no plot but purely meant for fanservice purpose , then spin-offs like "love and destiny" where u take all the major themes of already existing xianxia drama's and then put it into to a mixer then u get ->Love and destiny, plot wise it litreally has no merits of it's own still avenue said this series was better than TMOPB purely coz of the brilliant actors and great production team, but with ELOD she dissed the drama purely coz of costumes , lighting etc etc without even consider the freaking PLOT. I didn't expect such stupidity from her, she has decent foreign fanbase who are influenced by her reviews and don't even get me started on her comment abt V & R s chemistry. even if u don't like ELOD (coz of Personal preference) there is no way u can deny the chemistry between leads.. I secretly hope that ELOD breaks the xianxia record of highest ratings just like it broke the record for highest viewed series within 40days

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54 minutes ago, Aari sky said:

I didn't expect such stupidity from her, she has decent foreign fanbase who are influenced by her reviews and don't even get me started on her comment abt V & R s chemistry. even if u don't like ELOD (coz of Personal preference) there is no way u can deny the chemistry between leads.. I secretly hope that ELOD breaks the xianxia record of highest ratings just like it broke the record for highest viewed series within 40days

 

I don't know until which episode she watched to deny the chemistry between V and R. Other than that, V and R had good chemistry too with the other actors/actresses, and I say the same with the cast to each other. 

 

Nonetheless, she can say what she wants, but she and others are eating their words because ELOD has broken some records, and it's still premiering somewhere else. Likewise, if she and others keep letting prejudice colour their reviews, eventually their intended audience will question their credibility. To be a reviewer - there should be no bias beforehand.

 

Dissing over mundane things is not going to help images of reviewers - that of which they can be bought. Let's be real, it happens. If they want to be tarred of the same brush, let them be. 

 

I'm quite positive that ELOD will be well received in Korea, for example, because of FJ as a nine-tailed fox is similar to their legendary kumiho. 

 

Though there are reviews by popular personalities which reach wide audiences, I say that viewers are more than able to make up their minds on what is good or bad for them.

 

Mayhaps it happens that ELOD breaks more records in the near future. ELOD is proving that it is a league of its own, and has set bars high for a lot of things. :)

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1 hour ago, Aari sky said:

It really pissed me off, like for argument sake let's say TQ did plagiarised still the drama TMOPB stands on its own since director /screenwriter made 80% of improvs , the novel's only has BQ POV but the drama made peach blossom into a third person PoV with adding lot of made up stories / characters, so from that point alone TMOPB deserves 10/10 (even though I loathe butchering of Dongfeng parts)

 

It sucks more that ElOD ended up becoming the scapegoat for these people even wen no one can dare to accuse plagiarization about Pillow book, this is the original book of TQ in every sense and has no similarly to any  other xianxia genre novels (apart from basic themes like Buddhism, taoism ) yet they take out their disappointment of "Peach Blossom" plagiarization on ELOD :dissapointed_relieved:

Ikr, if she had given such review to every other drama then I would have understood her pov to an extent.. but when she gives good reviews to guilty pleasure/rom-com series like "hypnotic love" "I've fallen in love with u" etc etc which litreally has no plot but purely meant for fanservice purpose , then spin-offs like "love and destiny" where u take all the major themes of already existing xianxia drama's and then put it into to a mixer then u get ->Love and destiny, plot wise it litreally has no merits of it's own still avenue said this series was better than TMOPB purely coz of the brilliant actors and great production team, but with ELOD she dissed the drama purely coz of costumes , lighting etc etc without even consider the freaking PLOT. I didn't expect such stupidity from her, she has decent foreign fanbase who are influenced by her reviews and don't even get me started on her comment abt V & R s chemistry. even if u don't like ELOD (coz of Personal preference) there is no way u can deny the chemistry between leads.. I secretly hope that ELOD breaks the xianxia record of highest ratings just like it broke the record for highest viewed series within 40days

Me too... I have the same wishes regarding ELOD... at least as good as TMOPB achievements or more..

 

if my memory serves me right TMOPB had reached 50b views 3yrs after it premiered...but back then TMOPB had broadcasted by 6 sources (TVs and online webs) and reached 30b when the show finished.

And ELOD reached 6.8b (if not mistaken)....from 1 source online web (Tencent) when the show finished.

 

I didn't awared about Avenuex until someone relayed her reviews in this forum ...and I didn't know that she had a good review on Love and destiny..I did watched LD  but dropped at episode 5(I can't remember why I dropped it) .....not because I don't like it or whatsoever and I intended to give it another go..

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, vivi0303 said:

I feel that the Chinese really engage in virtual harassment and bullying. 

 

Look at this series and its' haters. Weibo was a hot nightmare with neutral fans literally drowned out. They produce a lot of keyboard warriors over there. I wonder if they are going to adapt any anti-bullying/harassment policies over there, or at least enforce something. SMH.

 

Regardless if TQ plagiarized or not, she did not deserve to be harassed the way she was. I heard that the other novel was translated and officially published in another country. Foreign policy might be in their favor to take to the courts overseas if they truly believe they were plagiarized. That's assuming TQ's work was also published in the same country. Plagiarism is about to get an international face lift if Nora Roberts wins her multinational plagiarism lawsuit.

This time to avoid such accusations she has written several articles pointing out that all her ideas were from an ancient chinese classic called “Classic of Mountain and sea”. This was substantiated by relevant quotes

from it. She has stated again and again that she is presenting some chapters of lotus step for reader feedback and to avoid plagiarism accusations again.

 

I have read both books and being a really well read person, there were no hints of any concepts being copied. Most Xian xia genre of books revolve gods and immortals and some of the concepts will always be similar. 
 

But the story about the foxes etc is original. There is no similarities in terms of storyline or plot development.


That is why tanq qi is so open about discussing Lotus Step so its now transparent how the plot is going to go. Furthermore she has registered her story summary (skeleton if you’d like) with the copyrights office so she has first base use of it so if someone publishes something that is similar after the time she registered it then she is the person who was first to use the idea.

 

This way she is protecting herself.

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3 hours ago, MayanEcho said:

 

I don't know until which episode she watched to deny the chemistry between V and R. Other than that, V and R had good chemistry too with the other actors/actresses, and I say the same with the cast to each other. 

 

Nonetheless, she can say what she wants, but she and others are eating their words because ELOD has broken some records, and it's still premiering somewhere else. Likewise, if she and others keep letting prejudice colour their reviews, eventually their intended audience will question their credibility. To be a reviewer - there should be no bias beforehand.

 

Dissing over mundane things is not going to help images of reviewers - that of which they can be bought. Let's be real, it happens. If they want to be tarred of the same brush, let them be. 

 

I'm quite positive that ELOD will be well received in Korea, for example, because of FJ as a nine-tailed fox is similar to their legendary kumiho. 

 

Though there are reviews by popular personalities which reach wide audiences, I say that viewers are more than able to make up their minds on what is good or bad for them.

 

Mayhaps it happens that ELOD breaks more records in the near future. ELOD is proving that it is a league of its own, and has set bars high for a lot of things. :)

 I think it episode 12.. which reminded me of adorable SXR's said about..

 

The "beauty" in the water.

 

4;10 mark

"She seem like a lady that doesn't belong to the mortal realm" - SXR

"She seem like a fairy in heaven" - SXR

 

 

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I just read a scene where Feng Jiu is planning their garden. There is a part about ham hocks that confuses me.

as I understand, ham hocks are pork knuckles.

Dong Hua asks where they can get the ham hocks. Feng Jiu says they can cut off Dong Hua’s knuckles??? And then Dong Hua’s reaction is to furrow his brow.

this is my interpretation of the scene...and I am very confused. Please help.

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27 minutes ago, jimmylyne said:

 I think it episode 12..

 

The beauty in the water.

 

4;10 mark

"She seem like a lady that doesn't belong to the mortal realm" - SXR

"She seem like a fairy in heaven" - SXR

 

 

 

There's hardly any interaction there yet of SXR and Xiao Jiu, in fact the mortal arc barely began in that episode.

 

And especially, FJ and DH haven't met yet in their mutual actual statures. 

 

And that's it for her? Meh. She might be alright with other show reviews but she was lame with ELOD.

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1 hour ago, Ninky said:

Furthermore she has registered her story summary (skeleton if you’d like) with the copyrights office so she has first base use of it so if someone publishes something that is similar after the time she registered it then she is the person who was first to use the idea.

 

This way she is protecting herself.

 

Way to go for her. :)

 

Plagiarism of literary works can be so easily proven from recent years due to advent of technology, and readers that have keen eyes and long memories.

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