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20 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

LOL I'm also a chinese descendant who was born and grew up in Indonesia and cant speak chinese, can you ?

In my era (I sound so old LOL) on several forums if you get the 'Top post' you have to share some goodies LOL. Its not a written rules or something, just something to make the page pretty I guess ? 

I was obsessed with hong kong and taiwanese dramas most of my life, and more recently, chinese dramas. My family was traditional. So yes, fluent in speaking cantonese and mandarin. Reading is not so good though, and writing is abysmal haha. I have tried to read 10MPB & The Pillow Book in chinese, but only could manage to understand it because i read it in english first. :) Thanks for explaining the top post thingy ~ i will keep it in mind!

 

20 hours ago, jimmylyne said:

@redfoxprincess @chubby^green^ @Sisca_TVXQ

You guys are so entertainingly hilarious..Love all the posts..

 

@redfoxprincess

..Lol..it's remind me one of your old post....about...your husband says that Vengo's beard(in TMOPB) look like armpit hair or even worse hair from further down.....LMAO!!:joy:

P:S  Awwww..your son is so super cute!...adorable!:love:

I look forward to your posts too! Love your sense of humour and how familiar you are with the details of the book! Yes... vengo’s beard... i couldn’t believe how different he looked as Dong Hua and the beardy Emperor! :crazy:

 

Haha thankyou - my cutie boy knows he’s cute and gets away with everything... :sweatingbullets:

 

12 hours ago, Lena Lu said:

I agree with @chubby^green^! Mark Chao is the better Ye Hua, only because he’s a much better actor though. Yang Yang makes me love him anyway though just because he’s so darn pretty. I think he could’ve played an awesome Donghua because it’s sinilar to Xiao Nai from Love O2O, but the chemistry between Weiguang and Dilreba is too good!! As a fellow wearer of only black and sometimes looking like a swamp monster, I loved Mark’s costuming, crow outfit included. I want that coat LOL. What I didn’t like was his final episode outfit with the flowers. WTF man. Anyway, I love Yang Yang as much as the next person and he was perfect in Love O2O, but I felt that when he acts, he tries to maintain his prettiness so sometimes he doesn’t emote as much as I would like. He’s very good at the playful, flirty, cooler than everyone character, but I didn’t like his portrayal of an angsty Ye Hua. Also the movie was just all over the place in terms of plot so there’s also that. I like Mark’s ugly crying a lot, but didn’t love the hair down scenes. I think he actually looked better as Mo Yuan, but he portrayed such raw emotions as Ye Hua so I loved him anyway. 

 

Also not to be a downer, but the word “tranny” is very derogatory and hurtful to marginalized groups of people. I think we should avoid using it if possible as there are other words we can use that aren’t slurs. 

Oh i LOVED SEXY shifu Mo Yuan!!! :wub: Sigh... but Ye Hua... no thanks. :D I know i know... i’m nuts... how can the same person give me such different feeeeeels?!?!

 

YES YES, that’s exactly my thoughts! Xiao Nai from Love O2O is modern-day Dong Hua! That’s why i couldn’t help but imagine him as Dong Hua. His game character outfit just needed white hair and voila! I’m all for my pretty boy Yang Yang, he’s my eye candy... :love: So i’m very ok with him maintaining his prettiness! :D

 

Mark’s acting felt overblown for me, especially considering how reserved the book described Ye Hua to be. But i know many appreciated his acting and portrayal of emotions. I felt he was a bit too theatrical for my liking, and maybe that’s why i liked Mo Yuan - oh, and his topknot!

 

Thanks for the kind reminder about my choice of term. I’m sorry if i offended or hurt anyone here. I meant no malice. I merely meant that Mark Chao’s long wig, when let down, made him look like a drag queen. Here in Australia, the term ‘tranny’ is mostly used interchangeably by the drag queen community and probably isn’t as sensitive as it is in other parts of the world - we love our drag queens. ‘Trans’ is more commonly used by the LGBTQIA community in general. I guess it’s all just part of life here, and i’m from Sydney - the home of Mardi Gras - and we are proud. :)

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15 hours ago, Lena Lu said:

I agree with @chubby^green^! Mark Chao is the better Ye Hua, only because he’s a much better actor though.

yes, i actually find myself in tune with ye hua and responded with his display of emotion as ye hua, cant say much about mo yuan since he is quite stoic hahaha

that's why i think i adore mark chao's portray of ye hua, he nails the emotion part quite well

and aso i dont think his crying ugly, i find it very heartbreaking

 

15 hours ago, Lena Lu said:

As a fellow wearer of only black and sometimes looking like a swamp monster, I loved Mark’s costuming, crow outfit included. I want that coat LOL.

i like his attire as well

suited his somber mood in the drama

still think it looks like swamp monster since it sorta engulfed ye hua whole most of the time, and that guy is quite big himself hahaha

 

and i'm also sorry about the word 'tranny'

i dont think much about it before and was focused so much on his hair that i may overlooked how bad that word is

 

and i still find him and that gorgeous hair of his is sexy especially when he is bed

lor hahaha

 

7 hours ago, jimmylyne said:

I believe in GuangRe(Vengo/Reba)..they will do well.

We already know how perfectly great they're together..

i have faith in both of them too ^_^

they look great together and their chemistry together is amazing

even before they were dongfeng, they already felt perfect together

 

anyway any news abut the movie version of pillow book

i dont think i will be watching

i am quite loyal with my characters and since this is my chosen dongfeng kinda hard to have anyone else playing that part

but still

i am curious about whom will play dongeng in movie

 

maybe the movie donghua will look like 23 hahaha

 

23 hours ago, redfoxprincess said:

And Dong Hua’s supposed to look only 23. Vengo does portray a more mature Dong Hua but i like him too.

i dunno whether it is being influenced by watching vengo as donghua 

but i cant see donghua with the face of 23 years old hahaha

seems lacking in term of life experience that donghua had if he is too young in look and features

even when i read the book, i always felt even though donghua is young, he would still be brimming with life experiences and his devoid of emotion and i dunno how 23 year old would express that and still looking very young

so older donghua like in 26 above would be better for me than young donghua

weird i know

it's probably just me hahaha

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1 hour ago, chubby^green^ said:

so older donghua like in 26 above would be better for me than young donghua

weird i know

it's probably just me hahaha

Yes, i get what you mean. :) However, Yang Yang is 26, but Vengo is 35 and sometimes i feel he looks even older than that... i also read the book without the influence of Eternal Love’s Vengo in mind. I kind of imagined a bit of a Twilight vampire situation (hehe @jimmylyne) so young face but old soul. :D

 

1 hour ago, chubby^green^ said:

anyway any news abut the movie version of pillow book

i dont think i will be watching

i am quite loyal with my characters and since this is my chosen dongfeng kinda hard to have anyone else playing that part

Really? You’ve written it off already without knowing anything about it? :tears: Not going to even give it a chance? I’m passionate about the story and characters, not necessarily the celebrity actors. So i’m really looking forward to the film version too and seeing their take on it. It is still our beloved DongFeng. :wub: All adaptations are unique so there’s more to look forward to if you keep your options open.

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5 hours ago, chubby^green^ said:

i dunno whether it is being influenced by watching vengo as donghua 

but i cant see donghua with the face of 23 years old hahaha

seems lacking in term of life experience that donghua had if he is too young in look and features

even when i read the book, i always felt even though donghua is young, he would still be brimming with life experiences and his devoid of emotion and i dunno how 23 year old would express that and still looking very young

so older donghua like in 26 above would be better for me than young donghua

weird i know

it's probably just me hahaha

 

Nope, I think so too, not because of Vengo but maybe I have a thing for older men LOL

I found Mo yuan sexier than Ye hua :sweatingbullets:

 

And from novel description Dong hua is really tall and maybe looks different from the the other immortals, like a different species if that make sense :sweatingbullets: 

So thats why I think Vengo is perfect, he is tall, and did not look chinese

Someone did mention about vic ? I dont think he could pass for Dong hua, first he is not very tall, and his face is to soft for me (Its his jawline I think)

And for Yang yang, I think he's too pretty to be Dong hua LOL and too young, I agree with @chubby^green^ young actors would seems lacking in life experiences...

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11 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

but maybe I have a thing for older men LOL

& I’m a cradle-snatcher... :w00t:

 

11 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

Someone did mention about vic ? I dont think he could pass for Dong hua, first he is not very tall, and his face is to soft for me (Its his jawline I think)

Ok, in his defense, Vic is 180cm. That’s pretty tall for a chinese man, and that’s Mark Chao and Yang Yang’s height too. It’s just that our man Vengo is 191cm - he is not of this world! :rolleyes: And that’s one of many things that makes Vengo a ‘cut above the rest’ (pun intended) to be Dong Hua. Btw Vic has put on weight. He was so skinny and therefore a lot more chiselled around the jawline back in his heyday almost 2 decades ago (Meteor Garden, God Mars).

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12 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

Nope, I think so too, not because of Vengo but maybe I have a thing for older men LOL

I found Mo yuan sexier than Ye hua 

At first when I watched TMOPB I thought it's was a love story between Bai Qian and Mo Yan ( l didn't read TMOPB book so I didn't know) so i was a little disappointed a bit that her fate was not with Mo Yan..but after that surprisingly I also like Ye Hua too.

 

@redfoxprincess cradle - snatcher?? My hubby was 4 yrs younger than me..does it mean I'm also a cradle snatcher lol.:lol:

 

Vengo 191cm 36yrs old . Reba 169cm 27yrs old(9 yrs different - I like their age gap tho). Their height difference was perfect and their attractiveness/beauty is perfect/matched.

Without a doubts. Vengo/Reba is a our perfect DongFeng ( pun intended):love:.

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20 hours ago, redfoxprincess said:

Yes, i get what you mean. :) However, Yang Yang is 26, but Vengo is 35 and sometimes i feel he looks even older than that... i also read the book without the influence of Eternal Love’s Vengo in mind. I kind of imagined a bit of a Twilight vampire situation (hehe @jimmylyne) so young face but old soul. :D

ah he is that old already

well not old as in old...

i mean he is at that age already wow

hahaha

 

no comment on twilight :P

 

20 hours ago, redfoxprincess said:

Really? You’ve written it off already without knowing anything about it? :tears: Not going to even give it a chance?

i'm the type that choose my actress first before i choose my drama

has been like that for my whole life , no matter what genre i always have one fav actress that i will follow to the end and i watched every single one of it, chinese, taiwanese, hokkien, hongkong (for sure, i grow up with tvb and atv dramas), thailand and many more

but i will wait for now and who knows maybe the casts would be to my liking 

but seeing how people keep saying once upon a time butchered the novel as in the story being compacted too much (not the casts)

i am a lil apprehensive about pillow book the movie too

since i enjoy a lil too much every bits of the book and to have it being chopped and skewed left and right wont be nice i think

 

16 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

Nope, I think so too, not because of Vengo but maybe I have a thing for older men LOL

I found Mo yuan sexier than Ye hua :sweatingbullets:

yup, the same

i prefered the chiseled aged face rather than the pretty youthful face

hahaha

 

16 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

Someone did mention about vic ?

that would be me i think

and when i mention vic i didnt think about his look or his height

his way of acting is always to act with his face and seeing how donghua usually doesn't say much only his face tells a thousand stories that's why i thought of vic, he is good at expressing emotion through his eyes and facial features

and also the fact i seriously dunno much about chinese actors hence my option is rather limited hahaha

 

6 hours ago, redfoxprincess said:

Ok, in his defense, Vic is 180cm. That’s pretty tall for a chinese man, and that’s Mark Chao and Yang Yang’s height too. It’s just that our man Vengo is 191cm - he is not of this world! 

i was about to say that vic is not that short, actually he is not short

just that our vengo is too tall, well actually he is tall hahaha

but damn 191 cm, like seriously

thank god dilraba is quite tall too

so they look good together

 

16 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

I agree with @chubby^green^ young actors would seems lacking in life experiences...

they need to go through a few heavenly trials first to come to at least bits of donghua's grace and charisma

hahaha

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7 hours ago, chubby^green^ said:

but seeing how people keep saying once upon a time butchered the novel as in the story being compacted too much (not the casts)

Hmm, I think they did a pretty good job, considering it’s an artistic film adaption with its own interpretation of the story, which means it wouldn’t have been reasonable anyway to expect that they flesh out the whole story like a drama, albeit in 1 hour & 40 minutes. In many ways, I thought the film was better than the drama - it felt a lot less soapy, its cinematography, CGI & SFX was amazing, the entire cast was truer to the book’s descriptions, Ah Li was super cute & chubby, and the simplified storyline made a lot of people’s wishes come true by:

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1. Removing Li Jing so that Ye Hua is Bai Qian’s first love

2. Making Mo Yuan & Ye Hua the same person (not twins)

While it’s perfectly fine to have preferences, I think many of the ways people compare the drama & the film, then bash the film because they expect it to be like the drama rather than appreciating it for what it is, is not really fair. I hope you get to watch the film some time and enjoy it for what it is, because it’s really beautiful. Its storytelling wasn’t great because it left many people confused, but I also think that people didn’t really try to understand how it wanted to differentiate itself. The interesting consensus is that people who didn’t know the story before watching the film actually had no problem understanding it. It’s the people who expect it to be just like the drama who couldn’t interpret and appreciate it with a fresh and unbiased mind.

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52 minutes ago, redfoxprincess said:

 

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1. Removing Li Jing so that Ye Hua is Bai Qian’s first love

2. Making Mo Yuan & Ye Hua the same person (not twins)

 

 

Yes the CGI is really good, and the customes is beautiful (except zhe yan's LOL) maybe because the budget is bigger.

1. Li jing is awesome at the start, but after that he keep brooding and everytime he's on screen its always 'Si yin...Si yin...' He's more annoying than Feng jiu (on Drama)

2. Ooh so that means I'm not confused about the ending, they really make them the same person...

I watched the movie first but because my friend already told me before about Bai qian and Ye hua, that why the ending confused me...

 

Yes IMO the drama is to draggy, no need to flesh out the villain's character too much, I thought Su jin have too much screen time <_<

 

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22 minutes ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

 

Yes the CGI is really good, and the customes is beautiful (except zhe yan's LOL) maybe because the budget is bigger.

1. Yes, Li jing is awesome at the start, but after that he keep brooding and everytime he's on screen its always 'Si yin...Si yin...' He's more annoying than Feng jiu (on Drama)

2. Ooh so that means I'm not confused about the ending, they really make them the same person...

I watched the movie first but because my friend already told me before about Bai qian and Ye hua, that why the ending confused me...

 

Yes IMO the drama is to draggy, no need to flesh out the villain's character too much, I thought Su jin have too much screen time <_<

I read the books first, then watched the film, then watched the drama. Yes, I thought no. 2 was a good and clever change, but unfortunately it could have been better executed so that people weren’t so confused. I totally agree that the drama dragged - especially the extended Li Jing/Xuan Nu/dead baby and the older brother plot which I felt was boring and unnecessary. While Zhi Lan & Yan Zhi were cute, their story also dragged. And 100% agree Su Jin had too much air time, especially in the first arc when they extended the plot to say she was useful in pacifying the Elders, went travelling with Ye Hua, and even went to war against the mermaid clan (LOL does she even know how to wield a weapon?! Ridiculous!) - again, I felt it was so boring, unnecessary and overinflated her importance. Really the best thing to come out of the drama was the visuals and chemistry created by Reba & Vengo, setting them up to be the perfect REAL FJ & DH in this upcoming drama... :wub:

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i guess for now my main focus is pillow book

even though it hasnt been aired yet

let's just stick to one for now

hahaha

2 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

Yes IMO the drama is to draggy, no need to flesh out the villain's character too much, I thought Su jin have too much screen time <_<

that's is worrying for me too even for pillow book drama

as i said before i dont mind watching only dongfeng for the majority drama's screentime :P

what if they give jiheng more screen time and making her or at least try to make her more likeable or something

that would be so annoying

sighs

 

2 hours ago, redfoxprincess said:

Really the best thing to come out of the drama was the visuals and chemistry created by Reba & Vengo, setting them up to be the perfect REAL FJ & DH in this upcoming drama... :wub:

this i have to 100% agree

the best outcome from the drama is their chemistry and visual

hahaha

 

i like the idea of ye hua being bai qian's first love instead of lijing, though i dont mind if her first love is  not ye hua

is not the first that matter its the last one hahaha

but i dont think i like the idea of ye hua and mo yuan being the same person

then again i didnt watch the movie maybe it is better that way for the movie

:)

 

 

 

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On 1/8/2019 at 10:48 PM, redfoxprincess said:

Oh i LOVED SEXY shifu Mo Yuan!!! :wub: Sigh... but Ye Hua... no thanks. :D I know i know... i’m nuts... how can the same person give me such different feeeeeels?!?!

 

YES YES, that’s exactly my thoughts! Xiao Nai from Love O2O is modern-day Dong Hua! That’s why i couldn’t help but imagine him as Dong Hua. His game character outfit just needed white hair and voila! I’m all for my pretty boy Yang Yang, he’s my eye candy... :love: So i’m very ok with him maintaining his prettiness! :D

 

Mark’s acting felt overblown for me, especially considering how reserved the book described Ye Hua to be. But i know many appreciated his acting and portrayal of emotions. I felt he was a bit too theatrical for my liking, and maybe that’s why i liked Mo Yuan - oh, and his topknot!

 

Thanks for the kind reminder about my choice of term. I’m sorry if i offended or hurt anyone here. I meant no malice. I merely meant that Mark Chao’s long wig, when let down, made him look like a drag queen. Here in Australia, the term ‘tranny’ is mostly used interchangeably by the drag queen community and probably isn’t as sensitive as it is in other parts of the world - we love our drag queens. ‘Trans’ is more commonly used by the LGBTQIA community in general. I guess it’s all just part of life here, and i’m from Sydney - the home of Mardi Gras - and we are proud. :)

 

I see your point about Mark’s Ye Hua, but it’s endearing to me. Granted, I watched half the drama first, and then read the books to know the ending before finishing the drama so I already had Mark in my mind as Ye Hua. He is dramatic, but he didn’t feel cheesy to me. The scenes felt really raw and powerful due to his pivotal emotional scenes. I think he still showed that he was reserved in scenes outside of Bai Qian. 

 

Also loved Mo Yuan! I fall in love with him every time. I do like Mo Yuan’s stoicness more, but with how much censorship drama Bai Qian got with her casual sexual advances, if Ye Hua wasn’t portrayed as more forward, it would’ve taken them 200 episodes to be together. 

 

As far as the word “tranny,” my reason for pointing it out is because it’s different from the word “trans,” at least in the US. Tranny is a derogatory version of trans and is only used as a slur in the US. Also, using the word trans / tranny as an adjective to describe “ugly cross dresser” was more what I wanted to highlight as problematic. Thank you so much for respectfully responding to my concerns though. I was really worried about offending people, but I’m a huge advocate for LGBT+ issues so I just wanted to bring attention to word usage. 

 

On 1/9/2019 at 1:53 AM, chubby^green^ said:

yes, i actually find myself in tune with ye hua and responded with his display of emotion as ye hua, cant say much about mo yuan since he is quite stoic hahaha

that's why i think i adore mark chao's portray of ye hua, he nails the emotion part quite well

and aso i dont think his crying ugly, i find it very heartbreaking

 

i like his attire as well

suited his somber mood in the drama

still think it looks like swamp monster since it sorta engulfed ye hua whole most of the time, and that guy is quite big himself hahaha

 

and i'm also sorry about the word 'tranny'

i dont think much about it before and was focused so much on his hair that i may overlooked how bad that word is

 

and i still find him and that gorgeous hair of his is sexy especially when he is bed

lor hahaha

 

i have faith in both of them too ^_^

they look great together and their chemistry together is amazing

even before they were dongfeng, they already felt perfect together

 

I like an actor that can ugly cry genuinely. It resonated with me as well! His costuming is a bit swamp monster, but I like that LOL. Still want that crow cape. But also, I work in fashion so I like that kind of wild, avant garde design. I will also admit that his hair down was U G L Y, but I just wanted to point out that we shouldn’t make terms referring to groups of people be synonymous with “ugly.” Though, I can get over my aversion to his hair when he’s in bed. HAHA. I much prefer my drama men in top knots though so Mo Yuan is dreamyyyyyy. 

 

3 hours ago, redfoxprincess said:

Hmm, I think they did a pretty good job, considering it’s an artistic film adaption with its own interpretation of the story, which means it wouldn’t have been reasonable anyway to expect that they flesh out the whole story like a drama, albeit in 1 hour & 40 minutes. In many ways, I thought the film was better than the drama - it felt a lot less soapy, its cinematography, CGI & SFX was amazing, the entire cast was truer to the book’s descriptions, Ah Li was super cute & chubby, and the simplified storyline made a lot of people’s wishes come true by:

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1. Removing Li Jing so that Ye Hua is Bai Qian’s first love

2. Making Mo Yuan & Ye Hua the same person (not twins)

While it’s perfectly fine to have preferences, I think many of the ways people compare the drama & the film, then bash the film because they expect it to be like the drama rather than appreciating it for what it is, is not really fair. I hope you get to watch the film some time and enjoy it for what it is, because it’s really beautiful. Its storytelling wasn’t great because it left many people confused, but I also think that people didn’t really try to understand how it wanted to differentiate itself. The interesting consensus is that people who didn’t know the story before watching the film actually had no problem understanding it. It’s the people who expect it to be just like the drama who couldn’t interpret and appreciate it with a fresh and unbiased mind.

 

I don’t like it when a film is based off a source media and then change everything about it. It didn’t have to be like the drama, but I felt that too many main things were changed from the books. 

 

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I did like the plot point of Moyuan and YeHua being the same person because I love both. It’s a total win-win situation and an original twist to the “three lives” aspect of the story. 

 

I think the CGI and costuming is superb, though it was almost too fantasy-like for my personal tastes. Movies typically have better CGI because they’re so short so they can afford more intensive CGI work so I won’t hold the CGI against the drama. I think I will go rewatch the movie sometime this week to see if my opinions have changed. Maybe I’ll like it more now! My one critique is how short it is. Even 20 minutes would’ve made it better with just a bit more depth. Most movies in the US are longer than 2 hours with way less world building required. 

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5 hours ago, Lena Lu said:

I don’t like it when a film is based off a source media and then change everything about it. It didn’t have to be like the drama, but I felt that too many main things were changed from the books. 

I actually felt the film, despite being so short, captured the feel and essence of the books a lot more, and the characters were more true to character, both visually and personality-wise. And accordingly, i felt it was the drama that tried to change things up way too much and added way too much.

 

5 hours ago, Lena Lu said:

Also, using the word trans / tranny as an adjective to describe “ugly cross dresser” was more what I wanted to highlight as problematic.

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I will also admit that his hair down was U G L Y, but I just wanted to point out that we shouldn’t make terms referring to groups of people be synonymous with “ugly.”

First things first, i did NOT use the word ‘tranny’ to describe ‘ugly cross dresser’. How did you jump to this and how/why are cross-dressers ugly? I used the word ‘tranny’ (in the ‘drag queen’ sense) to describe Ye Hua’s wig. I said I laughed at his hair. I said his crying face was ugly. So i didn’t say it before, but i’ll say it now: his hair was ugly too. I’ve said it many times and i’ll happily say it again: I think the way they styled Mark Chao as Ye Hua in Eternal Love was in every way UGLY from head to toe - hair, robes, underwear, swamp monster jacket - ALL UGLY. In behind-the-scenes footage, even the (female) director kept laughing and telling him he looked too ugly to be Ye Hua! But Yang Mi said she loved his wig!

 

I hate getting overly politically correct though, for the very reason that this has already highlighted: terms are used differently in different countries and cultures. The term ‘tranny’ originated here in Sydney, Australia, and you can read more about it here and here, but i was using it in the more recent ‘drag queen’/‘Tranny Bingo’ sense. So while ‘tranny’ is offensive in your mind because of its usage and connotations in the US, all i thought was ‘he looks like a drag queen’. Yes, i thought Ye Hua’s hair down was ugly. But i also think men in drag are downright ugly. I don’t consider ‘drag queens’ to be a ‘group of people’ but rather a ‘style’ - a style/look/fashion expression for entertainment purposes that i happen to think is ugly (entertaining, but ugly). Since you work in fashion, surely, you must find some fashion ugly and some not, right? It’s got absolutely NOTHING to do with LGBTQIA. In fact, transgender persons would be the first to want to distinguish themselves from drag queen entertainers.

 

I also want to speak up for those who are not on the same page with LGBT+ issues - it’s absolutely okay to have a different opinion, and it’s absolutely okay to laugh at the fact that Ye Hua looked like a drag queen.

 

Considering perhaps many of you are in Asian countries, maybe you didn’t think of drag queens, but you thought of the ‘ladyboy’ entertainers in Thailand - that, to me, is also a very iconic ‘look’ for entertainment purposes, and I see no problem with thinking that is ugly either. Or maybe you think Thai ladyboys are gorgeous (I certainly do and boy am I envious - pun intended), but Ye Hua with ladyboy hair - not so much! There’s something about his really, really long, straight, rigid, obvious, fake-as wig that is so incredibly unsettling, that distinctly reminds me of the kind of over-the-top (pun intended) fake-as wigs drag queens and ladyboys use, that looks so particularly terrible on Mark Chao in combination with all his terrible Eternal Love costumes, especially that final scene’s peach blossom robe! :crazy: Funnily enough, when Mo Yuan woke up and was wearing that same wig with a simple white robe, i thought he looked... sexy... :w00t: So what is it??? Maybe his beard balanced it out?! Yang Yang had his hair down in that Divine Fungal Grass Monster fight scene and i thought his long, flowing, windswept hair (wig) looked amazing! And his pretty face was as smooth and clean-shaven as a baby’s bum!

 

Hypothetically speaking, I don’t think it even makes any sense to call trans persons (transgender, transexual, transvestite) - as a supposed group of people - ‘ugly’, when their looks are as diverse as their gender identities, and I’m not sure there’s any aesthetic commonality that distinguishes them or can be used to generalise their appearances. I have a transgender cousin. Born female, he now looks just like any other balding, overweight middle-aged blokey bloke. So what?

 

But I digress... I will say no more. Back to DH & FJ! :wub: Dare i say, i actually thought Vengo’s white wig in Eternal Love was rigid and boring. It was exactly like Liang Song’s hair but in white. It was a far cry from how I imagined those beautiful flowing silver tresses when reading the book and looking at the official pictorial album art. I am so thankful to see what looks to be a huge improvement in his white wig in the upcoming drama.

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11 hours ago, redfoxprincess said:

First things first, i did NOT use the word ‘tranny’ to describe ‘ugly cross dresser’. How did you jump to this and how/why are cross-dressers ugly? I used the word ‘tranny’ (in the ‘drag queen’ sense) to describe Ye Hua’s wig. I said I laughed at his hair. 

 

I hate getting overly politically correct though, for the very reason that this has already highlighted: terms are used differently in different countries and cultures. The term ‘tranny’ originated here in Sydney, Australia, and you can read more about it here and here, but i was using it in the more recent ‘drag queen’/‘Tranny Bingo’ sense. So while ‘tranny’ is offensive in your mind because of its usage and connotations in the US, all i thought was ‘he looks like a drag queen’. Yes, i thought Ye Hua’s hair down was ugly. But i also think men in drag are downright ugly. I don’t consider ‘drag queens’ to be a ‘group of people’ but rather a ‘style’ - a style/look/fashion expression for entertainment purposes that i happen to think is ugly (entertaining, but ugly). Since you work in fashion, surely, you must find some fashion ugly and some not, right? It’s got absolutely NOTHING to do with LGBTQIA. In fact, transgender persons would be the first to want to distinguish themselves from drag queen entertainers.

 

I also want to speak up for those who are not on the same page with LGBT+ issues - it’s absolutely okay to have a different opinion, and it’s absolutely okay to laugh at the fact that Ye Hua looked like a drag queen.

 

Hypothetically speaking, I don’t think it even makes any sense to call trans persons (transgender, transexual, transvestite) - as a supposed group of people - ‘ugly’, when their looks are as diverse as their gender identities, and I’m not sure there’s any aesthetic commonality that distinguishes them or can be used to generalise their appearances. I have a transgender cousin. Born female, he now looks just like any other balding, overweight middle-aged blokey bloke. So what?

 

I don’t know anything about Australian terms, but the word tranny is considered a slur in the US and it is used to describe “transsexuals” which is an outdated term. It was used as a slur because it was typically to make fun of “ugly” MTF trans people. Drag queens are absolutely different from transgender people, but the term in the US typically refers to transgender people and not drag queens which is why I said that a more appropriate word could be used because you’re referring to drag. However, you’re welcomed to use any word as it does mean something different in your culture, but for a global audience, I wanted to point out how this word may be offensive to those in the US. 

 

I will agree to disagree about whether or not drag queens are a group or a style though. I know many drag queens who would argue both sides so neither of us are right or wrong here. Just a matter of opinion, some see it as an identity and others as a style. I personally love drag culture and drag queen styles so also agree to disagree on it being ugly. 

 

You’re right that it doesn’t make sense to associate an entire group of people with “ugly,” and that’s not what I am implying, but below are some background links for why I am bringing it up as a point. There are trans people who don’t find the word offensive (as mentioned in the blog below), but just like the n-word, I would personally avoid using because it’s not my place as a outsider of the marginalized group to say that a slur isn’t a slur. I originally brought up the point just in case you were not familiar with LGBT+ issues and didn’t realize it could be offensive, but seeing as you are familiar with the word and LGBT+ issues, it is absolutely your personal decision to use the word or not. Again, I know nothing about Australian LGBT+ communities so I am not trying to police you on the word. I would like this conversation to end here, I think we have both respectfully provided sufficient links and thoughts for people to make their own choices. 

 

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2014/04/a-personal-history-of-t-word-and-some.html?m=1

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranny

 

 

On a lighter, on-topic note, I found Donghua’s wig to be really plastic-y looking and not at all like his beautiful silver locks. It’s almost yellow-tinted in certain lighting. 

 

I will also give the movie another watch now that I’m more familiar with the books to see if I also find it more in line. The drama does add a lot of side plot, but I didn’t think the main plot was too different. Granted, I had a hard time visualizing the book differently from the drama when I read it, maybe some of the nuances were lost in translation or just lost on me. I tend to overlay drama and books when I have both forms. 

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i wanted to talk about this before but as i was getting excited about my chronological finding talent i have totally forgotten about it

i realised that in book one, feng jiu have a lil too much gag reaction, almost too slapstick for me

or maybe because how i interpret the story

but when i read she falls hard on the floor

dropped to the floor plays dead

fell straight to the door

fell over and slammed her face and so on

i felt like it is a lil forced

the action of the reaction i mean

i wonder how will dilraba will do these gags if it were to be used in the drama without making it seems a lil too much

i wouldnt mind if those were not used at all actually

hahaha

 

okay back to main point i want to talk about

first

 

the xiao yan and donghua battle at mount fuyu

the reason why donghua brought fengjiu alone

was it to fulfill her request that she made while she was drunk some times before

since she was teeny tiny (well she is at that moment since she is a handkerchief) and asked to be brought along with him to the fight

he rather willingly obliges

i would want to think that way even though it was not mentioned in the book

hahaha

 

and also

when she was attacked by the one wing snow lion shaoying

after i read book 2 and about the heartache she felt because no one was there to save her each time she was in peril

i read that bit of her melancholy and find it even more heartbreaking

i totally understand her saying of noone was there to help her

even though in the end she was saved

it was always at the very last end where she has suffered too much and too hard

it was never in the nick of time

during that time, donghua was supposed to come even before shaoying struck her the first time and that didn't happen

it was forgivable still if he comes when the lon struck her the second time and that didn't happen too

instead she was beaten almost to her death and it was her own effort that she manages to find a way to be found by siming

it seems that during that time her fate was far stronger with siming than the non existent one she has with donghua - i wonder what would happen if destiny wasn't rewritten for them

will siming had a chance instead?

hahaha

 

by reading book 1 and then book 2 and taken into consideration book 2 while rereading book 1 and then book 2 again

i have better and more profound emotional attachment to the story

everything seems to clicked even more and affected you even more

:)

 

since we are only in january of 2019, still a very long way to go

can we have another trailer like please? 

hahaha

 

btw

i remember the things that was left by fengjiu by accident and maybe fate at taichen palace and was collected by donghua

i was in awe that he kept everything with him all the time

its not like he knows she would be there at that time to inquire and collect them all

so he must have them with him all the time

unless he is a picker and hoarder hahaha

anyway i know about the 

the citrine bracelet and also the white hair pin

what about the white jade one? is that one of her own as well?

 

and also we still didnt know what happens to the white jade trinket that shaoying take from fox jiu before

i thought it would play a role later in the story

but it seriously didnt

just becoming a simple tool for fengjiu's reminiscing 

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Yeah her slapstick reactions in novel wont work well on tv, but I believe in Reba's cuteness, just look at this ! I keep replaying it the first time I see it :wub:

https://i.imgur.com/lPv6LwX.gifv

 

Rather than Si ming, I prefer her with Xiao yan, they'll make a cute couple and I dont think Ji heng deserve Xiao yan :sweatingbullets:

 

I also hope they keep the hair pin scene but based on photos and leaked videos so far she's not wearing it (Dong hua change it to pink right?)

 

 

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5 hours ago, chubby^green^ said:

i wanted to talk about this before but as i was getting excited about my chronological finding talent i have totally forgotten about it

i realised that in book one, feng jiu have a lil too much gag reaction, almost too slapstick for me

or maybe because how i interpret the story

but when i read she falls hard on the floor

dropped to the floor plays dead

fell straight to the door

fell over and slammed her face and so on

i felt like it is a lil forced

the action of the reaction i mean

i wonder how will dilraba will do these gags if it were to be used in the drama without making it seems a lil too much

i wouldnt mind if those were not used at all actually

hahaha

 

okay back to main point i want to talk about

first

 

the xiao yan and donghua battle at mount fuyu

the reason why donghua brought fengjiu alone

was it to fulfill her request that she made while she was drunk some times before

since she was teeny tiny (well she is at that moment since she is a handkerchief) and asked to be brought along with him to the fight

he rather willingly obliges

i would want to think that way even though it was not mentioned in the book

hahaha

 

and also

when she was attacked by the one wing snow lion shaoying

after i read book 2 and about the heartache she felt because no one was there to save her each time she was in peril

i read that bit of her melancholy and find it even more heartbreaking

i totally understand her saying of noone was there to help her

even though in the end she was saved

it was always at the very last end where she has suffered too much and too hard

it was never in the nick of time

during that time, donghua was supposed to come even before shaoying struck her the first time and that didn't happen

it was forgivable still if he comes when the lon struck her the second time and that didn't happen too

instead she was beaten almost to her death and it was her own effort that she manages to find a way to be found by siming

it seems that during that time her fate was far stronger with siming than the non existent one she has with donghua - i wonder what would happen if destiny wasn't rewritten for them

will siming had a chance instead?

hahaha

 

by reading book 1 and then book 2 and taken into consideration book 2 while rereading book 1 and then book 2 again

i have better and more profound emotional attachment to the story

everything seems to clicked even more and affected you even more

:)

 

since we are only in january of 2019, still a very long way to go

can we have another trailer like please? 

hahaha

 

btw

i remember the things that was left by fengjiu by accident and maybe fate at taichen palace and was collected by donghua

i was in awe that he kept everything with him all the time

its not like he knows she would be there at that time to inquire and collect them all

so he must have them with him all the time

unless he is a picker and hoarder hahaha

anyway i know about the 

the citrine bracelet and also the white hair pin

what about the white jade one? is that one of her own as well?

 

and also we still didnt know what happens to the white jade trinket that shaoying take from fox jiu before

i thought it would play a role later in the story

but it seriously didnt

just becoming a simple tool for fengjiu's reminiscing 

play dead..fell straight through the door...fell over and crashed on the ground..

 

I was looking forward for the hilarious/ awkward( all of per-stated lists) parts.. Reba is very sweet and adorable..so I think she can play that part very well bc I watched her in Sweet Dream and Pretty Li Huizhen..

 

 

I definitely don't want to think about FJ's fate/destiny with any other Man..it's make my skin crawl or nauseous to think of DongFeng with another..

I like Siming play the part of being one of FJ's saviour..but as FJ's love interest..just NO...i mean DongHua and Siming totally the opposite character eventhough both was considered Two Walking Encylopedia ..while Donghua Dijun is Walking Buddhist Manual...Siming is Walking Baqua Manual aka Gossip mongers..lol 

for me Siming was like a brother to FJ..nursing her when she was injured and console her when she's sad . Siming really know the boundaries when he is with FJ always call her "Your Highness".

 

White Jade hairpin

It's Donghua gift to FJ. This fact was mentioned somewhere in the book.

 

I am still pondering over the exact meaning of these phrases in the book such as :

1)Spent half a day pondering 

2)Scratched her head for half a day

3)In half a teacup's time

 

And so many others such a intriguing words....lol

 

PS : I wondering if Mo Yan and Zhe Yan have a gold pigment in their blood just like Donghua's..a golden red?.

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2 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

@chubby^green^

Yeah her slapstick reactions in novel wont work well on tv, but I believe in Reba's cuteness, just look at this ! I keep replaying it the first time I see it :wub:

https://i.imgur.com/lPv6LwX.gifv

 

Rather than Si ming, I prefer her with Xiao yan, they'll make a cute couple and I dont think Ji heng deserve Xiao yan :sweatingbullets:

 

I also hope they keep the hair pin scene but based on photos and leaked videos so far she's not wearing it (Dong hua change it to pink right?)

 

 

The one that Donghua change to pink was FJ White Flower hairpin ( symbolize to her mourning attire along with her white dress)

Donghua representing three things to FJ. it's was citrine bracelet Yi Qingti's gift..white flower hairpin(white color which later DH secretly change it's color to pink bc he dont like the idea of FJ mourning state)and also White Jade hairpin. It's DH's gift. Remember FJ seem to confused when DH give her three items because one of those item( white jade hairpin) wasn't belong to her.

 

Ps: I could be wrong tho..lol.

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12 minutes ago, jimmylyne said:

The one that Donghua change to pink was FJ White Flower hairpin ( symbolize to her mourning attire along with her white dress)

Donghua representing three things to FJ. it's was citrine bracelet Yi Qingti's gift..white flower hairpin(white color which later DH secretly change it's color to pink bc he dont like the idea of FJ mourning state)and also White Jade hairpin. It's DH's gift. Remember FJ seem to confused when DH give her three items because one of those item( white jade hairpin) wasn't belong to her.

 

Ps: I could be wrong tho..lol.

 

Ah I was wondering about that too, why is Feng jiu confused at that moment...so Dong hua really give her that hairpin? But after that it was never mentioned again...

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7 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

@chubby^green^

Yeah her slapstick reactions in novel wont work well on tv, but I believe in Reba's cuteness, just look at this ! I keep replaying it the first time I see it :wub:

https://i.imgur.com/lPv6LwX.gifv

 

Rather than Si ming, I prefer her with Xiao yan, they'll make a cute couple and I dont think Ji heng deserve Xiao yan :sweatingbullets:

ah that scene, she is just too cute

i also like the scene of her hugging donghua claiming that she really likes him when she was drunk from the fermented fruit (she was eating plums i think)

the way she hugs him while still chewing the fruit and looking up to him is just too damn cute

hahaha

 

also the one where she hides the fruits from donghua hahaha

 

i also believe in dilraba and think that she can do it without it being too forced hahaha

7 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

Rather than Si ming, I prefer her with Xiao yan, they'll make a cute couple and I dont think Ji heng deserve Xiao yan :sweatingbullets:

xiao yan belongs to bai gungun muahaha

 

5 hours ago, jimmylyne said:

I definitely don't want to think about FJ's fate/destiny with any other Man..it's make my skin crawl or nauseous to think of DongFeng with another..

I like Siming play the part of being one of FJ's saviour..but as FJ's love interest..just NO..

as i said before i don't see any romantics between siming and fengjiu, just a simple brotherly love and admiration only, he cares for her but it was an innocent love and care in my opinion, just like how zhe yan is quite protective over bai's family, but then again they are like family to him, after all according to fengjiu, he is her young uncle in law :P

i even was surprised when there was hinted in both book and drama of him being romantically interested in her, seriously that one just flew over me just like that

 

just that i am looking at the perspective of fate and destiny, and pondering over fengjiu's thoughts when she was saying how jiheng has more fate with donghua compared to her, and in the beginning it does seem like that

i started realise that if that is the case, then siming has more fate with her than donghua as well in the beginning as well

so i was just contemplating on that thought, and the whole what if, just popped up

and then i am in awed with fengjiu's determination and perseverance, how she and only she manages to moves the stone of destiny to change something that was already written on the wall (she was the one who did everything after all)

and i am totally amazed at that as well

hahaha

 

5 hours ago, jimmylyne said:

Donghua representing three things to FJ. it's was citrine bracelet Yi Qingti's gift..white flower hairpin(white color which later DH secretly change it's color to pink bc he dont like the idea of FJ mourning state)and also White Jade hairpin. It's DH's gift. Remember FJ seem to confused when DH give her three items because one of those item( white jade hairpin) wasn't belong to her.

that's what i was saying, and then i realised

the citrine bracelet and the white flower hairpin was definitely fengjiu's

but i think that the white jade hairpin one was something he dig up on his sleeve just because fengjiu refused to admit that she is fully awake and definitely not sleepwalking (she was stubbornly insisting that she is sleepwalking and got lost in her way)

i believe if she was still adamant, he would brought up more things from his sleeve, one after another 

because as usual donghua needs to have the final say and he seems to be having too much fun at her expenses

hahaha

i really hope they don't throw out this scene but it is really funny and cute

 

5 hours ago, jimmylyne said:

1)Spent half a day pondering 

2)Scratched her head for half a day

3)In half a teacup's time

hahaha i was like that too at first

half a day, cant be, how can she hold the teacup and pout it for half a day just like that?

hahaha

then i thought ah, maybe because a second in heaven is almost few hours in mortal realm?

then again i just assume that when half a day was used, it is to give  a sense that a gap of time happened, an obvious gap of time that would usually be in silence and a lil awkwardness 

:sweatingbullets:

still quite confusing though

at least when they use half of incense stick burn time, i would totally understand as compared to in half a teacup's time hahaha

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