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Um... I had this idea foster in the back of my mind. I have no idea where the story's even headed. Please bear with me.

 

What if, after throwing Zhao Min into the ocean, Zhou Zhiruo actually takes the boat to return to Central Plains alone with the secrets she's uncovered from the Heavenly (Yitian) Sword and Dragon Slaying (Tulong) Sabre? Wuji wakes to find only Xie Xun and Yin Li are there with him. But Yin Li dies from her injuries (some of them fresh) and because they've all been poisoned by Zhao Min's poison, they still deduced that it was Zhao Min who did it.

 

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A Re-imagining of Spirit Snake Island: Chapter 1

 

Zhang Wuji has been sitting on the ground staring at the makeshift tombstone for several hours with the sun beating down on his face. He ignored the heat. His legs were starting to feel numb. He ignored that too. He felt so useless. Here he was, the leader of Ming Cult, with one of the highest levels of martial arts that could be achieved by someone of his age, and yet he couldn’t save his cousin, Yin Li. He couldn’t even keep Zhiruo safe. He had no idea about her whereabouts. For all he knew, she could be suffering under the enemy’s hands right now, unwilling to give in to their demands. He dreaded that thought. He felt like a failure. All because of that evil witch Zhao Min.

 

His heart ached at the thought of her – this alluring woman who had tricked him into letting his guard down. He didn’t know why he trusted her even though everyone has told him not to. Perhaps he was overconfident in his own abilities and intellect. Perhaps he was still the naïve little boy who believed in the goodness of people. No – he knew he was only kidding himself; none of those were the true reasons.

 

Feeling dejected, Zhang Wuji decided to make himself useful and go gather some fruits to bring back to Godfather. Without thinking, he ended up at the shore where he first discovered that their boat was missing. He glanced at the sea, hoping to see a ship pass by. There was no ship. The waves were beating against the shoreline as the wind was blowing strong. Zhang Wuji’s eyes caught sight of a figure floating in the water. The forceful waves were pushing the figure onto shore. He recognized that delicate figure, those white and green robes, that pair of cloth boots that covered a pair of small, lovely feet. A wave of panic suddenly hit Zhang Wuji as he rushed to that body as fast as his qinggong could take him. Please don’t let her be dead. Zhang Wuji lifted the body up and quickly felt around for a pulse. He breathed a sigh of relief as he discovered she was still alive, but the pulse was very weak. Carrying Zhao Min in his arms he ran back toward the direction of the house, his emotions a mix of fear and happiness.

 

Seeing the house in view, Zhang Wuji called out, “Godfather, please help!”

 

Xie Xun opened the doors and stepped out. “What is it? What’s wrong?”

 

“It’s Zhao Min! She didn’t abandon us. I found her floating in the sea, unconscious.” Zhang Wuji paused. “She was poisoned by the Ten Fragrance Muscle Softener Powder too.”

 

Xie Xun was shocked. This turn of events completely overturned their initial theory of what had happened. “How could she be poisoned too? Wuji, you said this was her own poison that she used on the Six Major Sects. Could it be a trick of hers?”

 

Zhang Wuji frowned. “I don’t think so. She’s in critical condition right now. She could die any second. I’m the only one with the ability to save her, but only because the 9 Yang Divine Skill allowed me to expel the poison from my own body first. If not for that, I won’t be able to circulate my own internal energy to heal her. She couldn’t have possibly done this to herself.”

 

“There’s no point in theorizing now.” Xie Xun said. “The only way we’ll get any answers is if we keep her alive. You need to do what you can to save her.” The two of them carefully laid Zhao Min on one of the beds. Xie Xun quickly retreated out of the room.

 

With nobody else in the room and Zhao Min unconscious, Zhang Wuji does not hesitate. He carefully propped her up in a sitting position, gently removed one layer of her clothing, and placed both his palms on her back to transfer his 9 Yang Divine Energy into her body to heal her. After working hard for almost two hours, he felt that the energy circulating inside Zhao Min’s body was stabilizing. Her life was no longer in danger. As soon as Zhang Wuji lifted his palms from Zhao Min’s back, he felt her beginning to stir. Zhang Wuji held onto her shoulders and moved to lay her back down, but before he could let go Zhao Min opened her eyes and looked straight at him.

 

“Zhang Wuji!” Zhao Min smiled warmly. “I asked the heavens to let me see you one last time before I die. The heavens do not disappoint.”

 

Zhang Wuji stared at her face, her cheeks flush with affection and her eyes gleaming with tears. His voice caught in his throat. He had not realized he was holding his breath. “Don’t be silly. I would never let anything happen to you.” He surprised himself. He did not mean to say that. He felt shy as he realized he was still holding her in his arms.

 

Zhao Min blinked as tears streamed down her face. “Are you really here or am I dreaming?” Her voice was hoarse; she was exerting all her energy just to speak.

 

Zhang Wuji’s heart warmed. She’s been through so much. “I’m here. You’re going to be OK.” He caresses her face tenderly as she falls back asleep, exhausted from the transfer of internal energy. He carefully laid her down onto the bed. Sighing, and with one last glance at her small frame, he quietly left the room.

 

To be continued...

 

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1 hour ago, kimmortal said:

Um... I had this idea foster in the back of my mind. I have no idea where the story's even headed. Please bear with me.

 

What if, after throwing Zhao Min into the ocean, Zhou Zhiruo actually takes the boat to return to Central Plains alone with the secrets she's uncovered from the Heavenly (Yitian) Sword and Dragon Slaying (Tulong) Sabre? Wuji wakes to find only Xie Xun and Yin Li are there with him. But Yin Li dies from her injuries (some of them fresh) and because they've all been poisoned by Zhao Min's poison, they still deduced that it was Zhao Min who did it.

 

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A Re-imagining of Spirit Snake Island: Chapter 1

 

Zhang Wuji has been sitting on the ground staring at the makeshift tombstone for several hours with the sun beating down on his face. He ignored the heat. His legs were starting to feel numb. He ignored that too. He felt so useless. Here he was, the leader of Ming Cult, with one of the highest levels of martial arts that could be achieved by someone of his age, and yet he couldn’t save his cousin, Yin Li. He couldn’t even keep Zhiruo safe. He had no idea about her whereabouts. For all he knew, she could be suffering under the enemy’s hands right now, unwilling to give in to their demands. He dreaded that thought. He felt like a failure. All because of that evil witch Zhao Min.

 

His heart ached at the thought of her – this alluring woman who had tricked him into letting his guard down. He didn’t know why he trusted her even though everyone has told him not to. Perhaps he was overconfident in his own abilities and intellect. Perhaps he was still the naïve little boy who believed in the goodness of people. No – he knew he was only kidding himself; none of those were the true reasons.

 

Feeling dejected, Zhang Wuji decided to make himself useful and go gather some fruits to bring back to Godfather. Without thinking, he ended up at the shore where he first discovered that their boat was missing. He glanced at the sea, hoping to see a ship pass by. There was no ship. The waves were beating against the shoreline as the wind was blowing strong. Zhang Wuji’s eyes caught sight of a figure floating in the water. The forceful waves were pushing the figure onto shore. He recognized that delicate figure, those white and green robes, that pair of cloth boots that covered a pair of small, lovely feet. A wave of panic suddenly hit Zhang Wuji as he rushed to that body as fast as his qinggong could take him. Please don’t let her be dead. Zhang Wuji lifted the body up and quickly felt around for a pulse. He breathed a sigh of relief as he discovered she was still alive, but the pulse was very weak. Carrying Zhao Min in his arms he ran back toward the direction of the house, his emotions a mix of fear and happiness.

 

Seeing the house in view, Zhang Wuji called out, “Godfather, please help!”

 

Xie Xun opened the doors and stepped out. “What is it? What’s wrong?”

 

“It’s Zhao Min! She didn’t abandon us. I found her floating in the sea, unconscious.” Zhang Wuji paused. “She was poisoned by the Ten Fragrance Muscle Softener Powder too.”

 

Xie Xun was shocked. This turn of events completely overturned their initial theory of what had happened. “How could she be poisoned too? Wuji, you said this was her own poison that she used on the Six Major Sects. Could it be a trick of hers?”

 

Zhang Wuji frowned. “I don’t think so. She’s in critical condition right now. She could die any second. I’m the only one with the ability to save her, but only because the 9 Yang Divine Skill allowed me to expel the poison from my own body first. If not for that, I won’t be able to circulate my own internal energy to heal her. She couldn’t have possibly done this to herself.”

 

“There’s no point in theorizing now.” Xie Xun said. “The only way we’ll get any answers is if we keep her alive. You need to do what you can to save her.” The two of them carefully laid Zhao Min on one of the beds. Xie Xun quickly retreated out of the room.

 

With nobody else in the room and Zhao Min unconscious, Zhang Wuji does not hesitate. He carefully propped her up in a sitting position, gently removed one layer of her clothing, and placed both his palms on her back to transfer his 9 Yang Divine Energy into her body to heal her. After working hard for almost two hours, he felt that the energy circulating inside Zhao Min’s body was stabilizing. Her life was no longer in danger. As soon as Zhang Wuji lifted his palms from Zhao Min’s back, he felt her beginning to stir. Zhang Wuji held onto her shoulders and moved to lay her back down, but before he could let go Zhao Min opened her eyes and looked straight at him.

 

“Zhang Wuji!” Zhao Min smiled warmly. “I asked the heavens to let me see you one last time before I die. The heavens do not disappoint.”

 

Zhang Wuji stared at her face, her cheeks flush with affection and her eyes gleaming with tears. His voice caught in his throat. He had not realized he was holding his breath. “Don’t be silly. I would never let anything happen to you.” He surprised himself. He did not mean to say that. He felt shy as he realized he was still holding her in his arms.

 

Zhao Min blinked as tears streamed down her face. “Are you really here or am I dreaming?” Her voice was hoarse; she was exerting all her energy just to speak.

 

Zhang Wuji’s heart warmed. She’s been through so much. “I’m here. You’re going to be OK.” He caresses her face tenderly as she falls back asleep, exhausted from the transfer of internal energy. He carefully laid her down onto the bed. Sighing, and with one last glance at her small frame, he quietly left the room.

 

To be continued...

 

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Finally finished so will give a few thoughts.

 

The first 40 episodes were like 10/10 for me but i feel like the last 10 episodes were super rushed and Wuji became way to forgiving towards his cult who were clearly using him.It was so obvious that the 4th general was working against wuji and building his own powerbase which he later used to become emperor in the book. Surely that was obvious as hell and super predictable, another annoyance was how whishy washy everyone was in this show apart from ZM no-one was ever sticking to their opinions and just agree with everyone it got super annoying by the end. Yang Xiao was the only cult member i liked by the end Fan Yao had no respect for Wuji at all which disappointed me.  Wuji was a character i loved and hated the most in this show i loved that he was pure and respects life and trusts people but that is also the reason i hate him a bit. I wish he had a backbone your the leader and the cult continues to do stuff behind your back and your super happy to their face and show no anger?? 

 

Wuji and ZM were clearly the endgame and i dont think Wuji had romantic feelings for anyone else. ZM was truly the saving grace of this show in the last 10 episodes for me . The ending felt a little rushed also they needed like another 10mins in my opinion to flesh out the ending properly cause we dont even know what really happens. 

 

I rate this show 8.5/10 the last 10 episodes i struggled to finish honestly i did the first 40 in like 3 days then last 10 in 2/3 .. was super hard to finish but i still enjoyed the show overall i just like Male character leads with a bit more backbone but still loved Wuji for the most part. I loved that they did not use CGI alot if at all to me this was a big bonus and the acting was good especially young wuji. 

 

I think ill check out return of condor heroes the 2017 version and see how this story goes. 

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23 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

Finally finished so will give a few thoughts.

 

The first 40 episodes were like 10/10 for me but i feel like the last 10 episodes were super rushed and Wuji became way to forgiving towards his cult who were clearly using him.It was so obvious that the 4th general was working against wuji and building his own powerbase which he later used to become emperor in the book. Surely that was obvious as hell and super predictable, another annoyance was how whishy washy everyone was in this show apart from ZM no-one was ever sticking to their opinions and just agree with everyone it got super annoying by the end. Yang Xiao was the only cult member i liked by the end Fan Yao had no respect for Wuji at all which disappointed me.  Wuji was a character i loved and hated the most in this show i loved that he was pure and respects life and trusts people but that is also the reason i hate him a bit. I wish he had a backbone your the leader and the cult continues to do stuff behind your back and your super happy to their face and show no anger?? 

 

Wuji and ZM were clearly the endgame and i dont think Wuji had romantic feelings for anyone else. ZM was truly the saving grace of this show in the last 10 episodes for me . The ending felt a little rushed also they needed like another 10mins in my opinion to flesh out the ending properly cause we dont even know what really happens. 

 

I rate this show 8.5/10 the last 10 episodes i struggled to finish honestly i did the first 40 in like 3 days then last 10 in 2/3 .. was super hard to finish but i still enjoyed the show overall i just like Male character leads with a bit more backbone but still loved Wuji for the most part. I loved that they did not use CGI alot if at all to me this was a big bonus and the acting was good especially young wuji. 


Totally agree with you on this. Towards the end, I really did wish he left them. In other versions, I always root for Ming Sect, but this one was impossibly. Only Yang Xiao was their saving grace, but he barely got any screentime! Still wish they added MAYBE like 1-2 more episodes. We could have used a more fleshed out ending.

 

 

 

Also, found some more amazing Fan MVs on bili. I love that it's been 1-2 months since the series has ended and there's still content on it. YAY!

 

1. https://www.bilibili.com/video/av54202949?from=search&seid=6899337818801100270 -- MUST WATCH. Absolutely adore this one. Firstly because I love the female version of this song and not sure if this was just a male cover, but his voice is nice and I love anything that symbolizes Wu Ji's perspective. The editing really portrayed Wu Ji's love for Zhao Min, which is again, something I love and crave. The hairpin was such a nice touch at the end. ONE OF MY FAVE FMV!


YOUTUBE VER.

 

2. https://www.bilibili.com/video/av54239335?from=search&seid=6899337818801100270 -- Love this song, good pacing and editing.

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37 minutes ago, deminni said:


Totally agree with you on this. Towards the end, I really did wish he left them. In other versions, I always root for Ming Sect, but this one was impossibly. Only Yang Xiao was their saving grace, but he barely got any screentime! Still wish they added MAYBE like 1-2 more episodes. We could have used a more fleshed out ending.

 

 

 

Also, found some more amazing Fan MVs on bili. I love that it's been 1-2 months since the series has ended and there's still content on it. YAY!

 

1. https://www.bilibili.com/video/av54202949?from=search&seid=6899337818801100270 -- MUST WATCH. Absolutely adore this one. Firstly because I love the female version of this song and not sure if this was just a male cover, but his voice is nice and I love anything that symbolizes Wu Ji's perspective. The editing really portrayed Wu Ji's love for Zhao Min, which is again, something I love and crave. The hairpin was such a nice touch at the end. ONE OF MY FAVE FMV!


YOUTUBE VER.

 

2. https://www.bilibili.com/video/av54239335?from=search&seid=6899337818801100270 -- Love this song, good pacing and editing.

 

 

In the other versions is the ming sect better cause i really disliked them here ;p but im a big fan of the actors of WJ/ZM i knew about Chen Yu Qi before but was not that impressed but she won be over with this drama her acting was really good. Joseph Zeng im a fan of as well im excited to see where he goes and what he does next. 

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30 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

In the other versions is the ming sect better cause i really disliked them here ;p but im a big fan of the actors of WJ/ZM i knew about Chen Yu Qi before but was not that impressed but she won be over with this drama her acting was really good. Joseph Zeng im a fan of as well im excited to see where he goes and what he does next. 

Yeah the director/screenwriter really ruined Ming sect ppl, Xie Xun and yellow lady for me, I don't know why they decide to make most the Ming sect to be so unreasonable/illogical except YX, I don't think the 1986 version was this bad.

I also dislike that they changed where XX actually knows what happened in snake island and he wrote all of it in his shaolin prison's wall, but here XX knows nothing *sigh*.

And yellow lady fight, AAARRRGHHH!!!! still pissed it did not happen, was so  anticipating that :rage:

I still think they should cut more in front especially the Er Mei daily life stuffs should be cut short, it doesn't add anything for me personally plot wise, I rather have more scenes with ZYZ/WBB/RYW to explain the last 1/3 of the story

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33 minutes ago, kur4p1k4 said:

Yeah the director/screenwriter really ruined Ming sect ppl, Xie Xun and yellow lady for me, I don't know why they decide to make most the Ming sect to be so unreasonable/illogical except YX, I don't think the 1986 version was this bad.

I also dislike that they changed where XX actually knows what happened in snake island and he wrote all of it in his shaolin prison's wall, but here XX knows nothing *sigh*.

And yellow lady fight, AAARRRGHHH!!!! still pissed it did not happen, was so  anticipating that :rage:

I still think they should cut more in front especially the Er Mei daily life stuffs should be cut short, it doesn't add anything for me personally plot wise, I rather have more scenes with ZYZ/WBB/RYW to explain the last 1/3 of the story

 

I totally agree with you on this. This XX appear like not that wise at all

 

And my fav yellow lady didn't have chance to show her power 

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Thank you so much Lauren :blush:

 

Please continue kimmortal :love:. I love it and also all fanfics of ZM-WJ posted in this forum so much :wub:

 

Regarding the last few episodes, definitely agree that the breakneck pace and choppier edits can definitely be improved.

 

I was browsing weibo,  and I am not sure if I understood correctly (and my apologies if I misunderstood), but quite some fans in weibo had been trying to get the uncut versions to be released,  as this HSDS has 90% of its series on very promising ground. I also feel that this version had the best main OTP chemistry and the team seem to really pay attention to the production and the actings, effects, settings, only to let the qualities drop at the last few episodes. It's such a pity.  But so far, seems like they had not have any response or fruitful results. Originally, I think this series plan for 60 or 70 episodes but need to be cut down to 50.

 

Now,  this is my personal opinions folk (:blush:):

If I may choose,  I would also wish members of Ming sect to be able to accept ZM, just like other versions (i love it when they listen and appreciate her input) but after I reflect on it,  perhaps this version portrayed a more realistic situations. They were at war with her side, so there will be deep misunderstanding and hatred toward their enemies. This might sound horrible (and I am not happy with how the members so conveniently accepting toward ZR and her bad deeds but so harsh on ZM) but, even though or even if they knew how bad ZR had committed her crimes against XX,  YL (even worse than ZM),  one redeeming factor for ZR in front of the Ming members is that this lady, who is capable of such a crime, will be fighting against the same common enemy.  Getting ZR on their side will be beneficial for their fights. Since they still have the bigger battle to worry about, and it involves much higher stakes for their people and the civilians, they would choose 'the lesser of the two evils' kind of thing. They might have to choose to put ZR crazy crimes on the backseat for the sake of their battles.  Facing a common enemy is the uniting factor,  while ZM is part of this common enemy. So,  it's easier (uugh,  i hate to think this) to "accept" the bad deeds from ZR than ZM (even when what ZR did is worse then ZM). No offense please :)

 

I personally feel that WJ not leaving with ZM is also perhaps better,  although I also wish they could just abandon everything and explore the world together (how beautiful that would be),  but the battle is at the critical moments. I am not even sure what is the best option for both WJ and ZM.  But, if WJ left at the critical state,  it would bring down the morale of the troops. Even though he was not the military leader per se,  he is their highest leader of the sect,  kind of like the uniting symbol. If he just disappeared, the troops would feel abandoned, I am afraid.  And keeping the morale of the people is one of the most important aspect in order to fight the battles.

 

The heavier emphasis of this angle of ming-yuan battle are the different factor that separate this version from other prev versions for me. From this angle,  perhaps the best case scenario (at least for me)  would be: ZM waited for him in Mongolia as she had originally wanted, while he fought the battle. Ming members never found out she's still alive so no room of underhanded schemes to use her from his members. Just focused on the battle with her dynasty. No matter what the outcomes are,  it would depend on the battle they fought, not some unfair schemes hatched to unfairly get the upper hands in the raging fight. Fairer for both sides. But perhaps this storyline would be too straightforward for a tv series. 

 

No intended offense or ill intention whatsoever please.  Sorry if this sounds rude, not my intention please. 

 

Peace all!!  :blush:

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24 minutes ago, chipz03 said:

Thank you so much Lauren :blush:

 

Please continue kimmortal :love:. I love it and also all fanfics of ZM-WJ posted in this forum so much :wub:

 

Regarding the last few episodes, definitely agree that the breakneck pace and choppier edits can definitely be improved.

 

I was browsing weibo,  and I am not sure if I understood correctly (and my apologies if I misunderstood), but quite some fans in weibo had been trying to get the uncut versions to be released,  as this HSDS has 90% of its series on very promising ground. I also feel that this version had the best main OTP chemistry and the team seem to really pay attention to the production and the actings, effects, settings, only to let the qualities drop at the last few episodes. It's such a pity.  But so far, seems like they had not have any response or fruitful results. Originally, I think this series plan for 60 or 70 episodes but need to be cut down to 50.

 

Now,  this is my personal opinions folk (:blush:):

If I may choose,  I would also wish members of Ming sect to be able to accept ZM, just like other versions (i love it when they listen and appreciate her input) but after I reflect on it,  perhaps this version portrayed a more realistic situations. They were at war with her side, so there will be deep misunderstanding and hatred toward their enemies. This might sound horrible (and I am not happy with how the members so conveniently accepting toward ZR and her bad deeds but so harsh on ZM) but, even though or even if they knew how bad ZR had committed her crimes against XX,  YL (even worse than ZM),  one redeeming factor for ZR in front of the Ming members is that this lady, who is capable of such a crime, will be fighting against the same common enemy.  Getting ZR on their side will be beneficial for their fights. Since they still have the bigger battle to worry about, and it involves much higher stakes for their people and the civilians, they would choose 'the lesser of the two evils' kind of thing. They might have to choose to put ZR crazy crimes on the backseat for the sake of their battles.  Facing a common enemy is the uniting factor,  while ZM is part of this common enemy. So,  it's easier (uugh,  i hate to think this) to "accept" the bad deeds from ZR than ZM (even when what ZR did is worse then ZM). No offense please :)

 

I personally feel that WJ not leaving with ZM is also perhaps better,  although I also wish they could just abandon everything and explore the world together (how beautiful that would be),  but the battle is at the critical moments. I am not even sure what is the best option for both WJ and ZM.  But, if WJ left at the critical state,  it would bring down the morale of the troops. Even though he was not the military leader per se,  he is their highest leader of the sect,  kind of like the uniting symbol. If he just disappeared, the troops would feel abandoned, I am afraid.  And keeping the morale of the people is one of the most important aspect in order to fight the battles.

 

The heavier emphasis of this angle of ming-yuan battle are the different factor that separate this version from other prev versions for me. From this angle,  perhaps the best case scenario (at least for me)  would be: ZM waited for him in Mongolia as she had originally wanted, while he fought the battle. Ming members never found out she's still alive so no room of underhanded schemes to use her from his members. Just focused on the battle with her dynasty. No matter what the outcomes are,  it would depend on the battle they fought, not some unfair schemes hatched to unfairly get the upper hands in the raging fight. Fairer for both sides. But perhaps this storyline would be too straightforward for a tv series. 

 

No intended offense or ill intention whatsoever please.  Sorry if this sounds rude, not my intention please. 

 

Peace all!!  :blush:

 

Recently i just wrote about zm being accepted by wudang elders, trying my best. 

24 minutes ago, chipz03 said:

Thank you so much Lauren :blush:

 

Please continue kimmortal :love:. I love it and also all fanfics of ZM-WJ posted in this forum so much :wub:

 

Regarding the last few episodes, definitely agree that the breakneck pace and choppier edits can definitely be improved.

 

I was browsing weibo,  and I am not sure if I understood correctly (and my apologies if I misunderstood), but quite some fans in weibo had been trying to get the uncut versions to be released,  as this HSDS has 90% of its series on very promising ground. I also feel that this version had the best main OTP chemistry and the team seem to really pay attention to the production and the actings, effects, settings, only to let the qualities drop at the last few episodes. It's such a pity.  But so far, seems like they had not have any response or fruitful results. Originally, I think this series plan for 60 or 70 episodes but need to be cut down to 50.

 

Now,  this is my personal opinions folk (:blush:):

If I may choose,  I would also wish members of Ming sect to be able to accept ZM, just like other versions (i love it when they listen and appreciate her input) but after I reflect on it,  perhaps this version portrayed a more realistic situations. They were at war with her side, so there will be deep misunderstanding and hatred toward their enemies. This might sound horrible (and I am not happy with how the members so conveniently accepting toward ZR and her bad deeds but so harsh on ZM) but, even though or even if they knew how bad ZR had committed her crimes against XX,  YL (even worse than ZM),  one redeeming factor for ZR in front of the Ming members is that this lady, who is capable of such a crime, will be fighting against the same common enemy.  Getting ZR on their side will be beneficial for their fights. Since they still have the bigger battle to worry about, and it involves much higher stakes for their people and the civilians, they would choose 'the lesser of the two evils' kind of thing. They might have to choose to put ZR crazy crimes on the backseat for the sake of their battles.  Facing a common enemy is the uniting factor,  while ZM is part of this common enemy. So,  it's easier (uugh,  i hate to think this) to "accept" the bad deeds from ZR than ZM (even when what ZR did is worse then ZM). No offense please :)

 

I personally feel that WJ not leaving with ZM is also perhaps better,  although I also wish they could just abandon everything and explore the world together (how beautiful that would be),  but the battle is at the critical moments. I am not even sure what is the best option for both WJ and ZM.  But, if WJ left at the critical state,  it would bring down the morale of the troops. Even though he was not the military leader per se,  he is their highest leader of the sect,  kind of like the uniting symbol. If he just disappeared, the troops would feel abandoned, I am afraid.  And keeping the morale of the people is one of the most important aspect in order to fight the battles.

 

The heavier emphasis of this angle of ming-yuan battle are the different factor that separate this version from other prev versions for me. From this angle,  perhaps the best case scenario (at least for me)  would be: ZM waited for him in Mongolia as she had originally wanted, while he fought the battle. Ming members never found out she's still alive so no room of underhanded schemes to use her from his members. Just focused on the battle with her dynasty. No matter what the outcomes are,  it would depend on the battle they fought, not some unfair schemes hatched to unfairly get the upper hands in the raging fight. Fairer for both sides. But perhaps this storyline would be too straightforward for a tv series. 

 

No intended offense or ill intention whatsoever please.  Sorry if this sounds rude, not my intention please. 

 

Peace all!!  :blush:

 

Recently i just wrote about zm being accepted by wudang elders, trying my best. 

 

Yes there are numerous petitions on getting the full uncut scenes, i actually signed a number of them 

https://m.weibo.cn/3651649932/4378768523009801

 

By the way this is funny

 

ZWJ, the expert in enacting tombstones lol

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4 hours ago, LaurenPanna said:

 

https://m.weibo.cn/3651649932/4378768523009801

 

By the way this is funny

 

ZWJ, the expert in enacting tombstones lol

 

I actually find it really sad. I have a hard time rewatching the beginning because my poor baby is left alone for most of his upbringing. He lived such a solitary and quiet life — first on ice fire island with only family, then Butterfly Valley with only master/friend, then in the cave with only monkeys as companions, and then he travels Mongolia for god knows how long by himself. Seeing all the tombstones resurrected just reminds me of how everybody he cares about dies somehow. Toward the end, I completely understand why Zhao Min’s “death” makes him promise to join her as soon as he finishes his duty because, at this point, his grandfather, godfather, then wife has died. Poor baby! :bawling:

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The heavier emphasis of this angle of ming-yuan battle are the different factor that separate this version from other prev versions for me. From this angle,  perhaps the best case scenario (at least for me)  would be: ZM waited for him in Mongolia as she had originally wanted, while he fought the battle. Ming members never found out she's still alive so no room of underhanded schemes to use her from his members. Just focused on the battle with her dynasty. No matter what the outcomes are,  it would depend on the battle they fought, not some unfair schemes hatched to unfairly get the upper hands in the raging fight. Fairer for both sides. But perhaps this storyline would be too straightforward for a tv series. 

 

No intended offense or ill intention whatsoever please.  Sorry if this sounds rude, not my intention please. 

 

Peace all!!  :blush:

 

This is what i think would have been a better ending also the sword and saber were pretty meaningless to me.. they did nothing in this show. 

 

I can actually understand both sides ZM gave up everything for WJ but they would not accept her and used her but i understand why they would not accept her when the enemy is her father. I mean that is pretty hard to get past and accept especially considering what shes done in the past. 

 

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9 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

This is what i think would have been a better ending also the sword and saber were pretty meaningless to me.. they did nothing in this show. 

 

But the sword and the sabre are important and the main goal of the books and even more so in this version

倚天劍 means Heaven Reliant Sword

屠龍刀 means Dragon Slaying Sabre

even though most translator just follow the 1st version and called them Heaven sword and Dragon sabre just to be quick and more easy to read.

But the accepted translation of the title of the book after the first version is Relying on Heaven to Slay the Dragon (倚天剑屠龙记)

In Chinese culture, Dragon symbolises the Emperor and as the Son of Heavens, only by drawing the might of Heaven can you dethrone the Emperor

In the book it was explained the the tactic manual Wu Mu book was hidden inside the Dragon sabre by Guo Jing, which supposed to indicate a brilliant person should use that to expel the Yuan's army and install a new Han ruler.

While the Heaven sword inside it has the Jiu Yin White Bone Claw manual and the 18 Dragon-subduing palms (even though in this version I don't think they have the dragon palms) which supposed to be used to kill/assassinate the new Emperor if he's not benevolent and install a new benevolent Emperor.

So at the end of the day both sword and sabre is to ensure any sovereign/government is checked by the people that will always rise in rebellion if the rulers are not benevolent.

Which is quite symbolic when WJ use the Dragon sabre to cut the throne, since for me I believe it represent the people side that will keep the ruler in check.

While the Heaven sword is returned to Er Mei is also to keep the ruler in check, whom I believe represent the wulin/jianghu/martial world people.

That's my interpretation anyway of why they need that scene where WJ repair both the broken sword and sabre.

 

If you want to read more on the title explanation why Chinese characters can be interpreted/translated differently

https://wuxiasociety.com/the-heaven-sword-and-the-dragon-sabre/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heaven_Sword_and_Dragon_Saber go to the Analogy sections it explain concisely why title is interpreted that way

 

 

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10 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

This is what i think would have been a better ending also the sword and saber were pretty meaningless to me.. they did nothing in this show. 

 

How could the sword and saber meaningless? Its the center of its story since first episode:sweatingbullets:

If there is no saber, WJ father, XX and WJ mother are never meet. So WJ will never born...and the love story between WJ and ZM (that we love so much) will never exist. :wub:LOL. And those things are both have connection to past (other books) and symbolic to make sure who ever gonna be ruler or emperor should not use his power to make people suffer and benevolent or else he will dethrone.

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1 hour ago, kur4p1k4 said:

But the sword and the sabre are important and the main goal of the books and even more so in this version

倚天劍 means Heaven Reliant Sword

屠龍刀 means Dragon Slaying Sabre

even though most translator just follow the 1st version and called them Heaven sword and Dragon sabre just to be quick and more easy to read.

But the accepted translation of the title of the book after the first version is Relying on Heaven to Slay the Dragon (倚天剑屠龙记)

In Chinese culture, Dragon symbolises the Emperor and as the Son of Heavens, only by drawing the might of Heaven can you dethrone the Emperor

In the book it was explained the the tactic manual Wu Mu book was hidden inside the Dragon sabre by Guo Jing, which supposed to indicate a brilliant person should use that to expel the Yuan's army and install a new Han ruler.

While the Heaven sword inside it has the Jiu Yin White Bone Claw manual and the 18 Dragon-subduing palms (even though in this version I don't think they have the dragon palms) which supposed to be used to kill/assassinate the new Emperor if he's not benevolent and install a new benevolent Emperor.

So at the end of the day both sword and sabre is to ensure any sovereign/government is checked by the people that will always rise in rebellion if the rulers are not benevolent.

Which is quite symbolic when WJ use the Dragon sabre to cut the throne, since for me I believe it represent the people side that will keep the ruler in check.

While the Heaven sword is returned to Er Mei is also to keep the ruler in check, whom I believe represent the wulin/jianghu/martial world people.

That's my interpretation anyway of why they need that scene where WJ repair both the broken sword and sabre.

 

If you want to read more on the title explanation why Chinese characters can be interpreted/translated differently

https://wuxiasociety.com/the-heaven-sword-and-the-dragon-sabre/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heaven_Sword_and_Dragon_Saber go to the Analogy sections it explain concisely why title is interpreted that way

 

 

 

35 minutes ago, polar15 said:

How could the sword and saber meaningless? Its the center of its story since first episode:sweatingbullets:

If there is no saber, WJ father, XX and WJ mother are never meet. So WJ will never born...and the love story between WJ and ZM (that we love so much) will never exist. :wub:LOL. And those things are both have connection to past (other books) and symbolic to make sure who ever gonna be ruler or emperor should not use his power to make people suffer and benevolent or else he will dethrone.

 

The way you explained the sword and saber makes alot of sense i just thought we would see more of them thats all. normally when shows are named after swords they make a bigger fighting impact so maybe was expecting that ;p 

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@Yitian_fan Ah no worries, I thought most JY fans or Chinese students already know this, since this kind of things what makes Chinese language so interesting and equally bothersome to study :sweatingbullets: And HSDS also has probably the most pun/hidden meanings on the characters name, which also make an interesting character study just based on the names. (this is a personal opinion since I only read Condor trilogy, XAJH and DGSD)

 

Well it also as warning that any tyrannical sovereign will be overthrow not just Yuan just as @polar15 said. It's just currently at HSDS period it is nearing the end of the Yuan dynasty.

 

Most fan translator try to put "Heaven Reliant Sword" and "Dragon Slaying Sabre" as the official translation nowadays, but it just doesn't flow as well as "Heaven Sword" and " Dragon Sabre"

 

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2 hours ago, Yitian_fan said:

@kur4p1k4  Ahhh... it makes sense. All these years and it never occurred to me that the title of the book was about the overthrowing of the Yuan dynasty! Thanks for this- really cool insight actually!

 

That was Guo Jing Huang Rong wishes, wish for future Han generations to snatch China back from Mongol, which is why the weapons are named that way. 

In fact huang rong purposely created a poems about the two weapons. Wishing for wise future being to be able to go after the weaoons, decipher the poems and know how to extract manuals from the weapons to save china. Only emei sect leader guo xiang know the secret answer to the poems of weapons. Poem describe both weapons to be equally sharp and no other weapons can subdue them, hence both of them has to be <hit> together in order to be broken up to retrieve the secret manuals 

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