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[Drama 2018] The Great Seducer, 위대한 유혹자

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9 minutes ago, MinLyn said:

Opening scene...

 

Shi-Hyun thinking aloud : Because I need to consider you and your feelings too so that's why I am still hesitating right now...I hate to put a stop to this (implying their relationship) because you are already etched in my heart...

 

Tae-hee thinking aloud : I will not waver nor be shaken...I will not feel lonely. I hope I will not cling onto you anymore and I also do not wish for you to hold onto me...Because liking you is something which I have started first and if I want to end this, I should be the one to put an end to it too...My own one-sided love...it's up to me to make it become forgotten...

 

its really ironic how TH says this to herself but she is really the first person to break it.

oh well, what to do that is how the writing is beginning done.

 

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2 minutes ago, triplem said:

So I’m guessing they are pushing through the relationship between SH & TH because it is needed for the next phase of the story:

1. The breakdown of the trio’s friendship. I think this is necessary for them to grow. This forever friends pact they have is really holding them back. They are all 19 & clueless about what they want. They have everything but want what they can’t have. They  egg each other in playing toxic games. 

2. The complex love triangle btwn the adults being mirrored by the children. SH is hiding his relationship with TH, so is his dad! Lol! The apple doesn’t fall far fr the tree, even if   it’s not the biological son.

 

Thanks @kaoriharang for your updates. Take care & get well soon 

 

I agree that the next phase has to happen soon. though i wish they did make the reconciliation a bit more longer - it felt rather quick and TH's resolve was really broken down very quickly.

 

Yea exactly, but once TH finds out or SH finds out, i wonder how this would change everything. SH may end up hating TH because of her mother.

 

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4 minutes ago, kaoriharang said:

 

I believe the scene ended with SJ not mentioning anything yet.

I definitely need to see the whole ep with subs for sure.

 

But seems that there will be some sweet moments still - but i think we are heading for some even more heartache.

 

yeah I saw it and I hate her for it!! she still wants to use him till the very end only caring about herself while acting as a victim!! :angry:

 

I actually liked how Shi Hyun told her not to use their friendship like she's doing/always did or he won't hold on to her any longer!! yes that won't last long after her breaking the news for him regarding his father's affair but it's a good 1st step and indication that he'll get there at one point with him not taking more of her selfishness!! I can't wait for that day to come!! :naughty:

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It's save to say that the production team has alot of work to do. I really wanted to love this drama but it's kinda disappointing now.

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7 minutes ago, biancapot said:

My livestream died right before the last scenes... I don't quite get why shihyun would be angry about the dad meeting someone else aside from sooji's mom though lol. I understand sooji being mad for her mom, but for shihyun i don't quite get why this would be an issue between taehee and him in the future

I actually think he doesn't want his father to be happy, remember in episode 1 when he seduced the woman who he saw made his father laugh? He hates his dad and doesn't want him to be happy. Propably because he didn't allow him to enter his mom's funeral, if my dad didn't allow me to go to my mothers funeral i would also hate him forever. I guess that answers why shihyun is angry that he's meeting someone.

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My comment for this episode:

 

Tae Hee & Shi Hyun made up is the quickest made up in my history of watching kdrama's main couple made up HAHAHA:lol: 

 

Actually, to me this drama plot & editing are very messy since first episode.

How could she easily accept him back? Maybe the writer rushed for their first break up plot because they will break up for a longgg time for the second time later LOL

I hope the writer won't make Tae Hee character become weak & accept Si Hyun easily after she knew the bet later.

I like them together but i want him to get rejected for longer time after Tae Hee knew the truth so that he get the lesson for playing with Tae Hee heart even he truly fell in love with Tae Hee after that.

Please writer? Give the main female lead some dignity after get victimized by male lead!

 

 

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16 minutes ago, meiil said:

This first part is a little confusing tho... does it mean SH still wants to play the game to trick TH and marry SJ? I don’t think so tbh

Alright so that tweet translation was wrong, basically SJ threw another tantrum of hers trying to keep her manipulation over SH but it didn’t work. He basically told her to stop bc he won’t keep their friendship anymore if she doesn’t end her antics and SJ just told him about his dad having another affair only to richard simmons him off more...ugh classic richard simmons SJ move 

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6 minutes ago, sakura2016 said:

really?!! he doesn't want to follow her wishes anymore like he always did and she exposes his and Tae Hee's mother's relationship?!! I don't care for their old friendship anymore now!! all I want is her to be left alone!! no more sympathy whatsoever!! :angry:

So in this scene, Sooji wants them to get married tomorrow to stop their parents from marrying because she feels like her mom is being treated badly and the dad is not doing anything to protect her. Shihyun obviously doesn't want to (for obvious reasons related to taehee), but sooji goes off on a tangent related to her asking if he's worried that he'll be the same with her (basically saying that she's agreeing to what he wanted). But then shihyun says he doesn't want to, quite coldly too. Then SJ goes off about how he ended the bet without telling her (basically what @kaoriharang posted but SJ is the one saying this not SH).

 

I actually didn't understand this scene well, the flow of emotions from SH didn't seem logical. I feel like they cut up some lines or something... either way, the writers and editors need to do better tomorrow.

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4 minutes ago, viktormani said:

I actually think he doesn't want his father to be happy, remember in episode 1 when he seduced the woman who he saw made his father laugh? He hates his dad and doesn't want him to be happy. Propably because he didn't allow him to enter his mom's funeral, if my dad didn't allow me to go to my mothers funeral i would also hate him forever. I guess that answers why shihyun is angry that he's meeting someone.

but why is his reaction milder towards the marriage?... is it because it's sooji's mom? Sure he asked sooji to get married at first, but now he doesn't seem to care about the marriage. But I guess what you said could be a reason, and I'll accept it since there's no better explanation. Still, I don't see why it would drive a wedge between taehee and him... if anything they can bond over their common anger towards their parents haha I'll even bond with them because the parents are annoying. The dad for his childishness and the mom for knowing he's engaged and still going on all these friendly dates with him when he's obviously trying to get with her

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10 minutes ago, biancapot said:

My livestream died right before the last scenes... I don't quite get why shihyun would be angry about the dad meeting someone else aside from sooji's mom though lol. I understand sooji being mad for her mom, but for shihyun i don't quite get why this would be an issue between taehee and him in the future

 

not sure myself but either because it means his father not getting married for business like with Soo Ji's mother but actually moved on from his mother who didn't die long ago or he hates the idea of his father cheating on the woman he got engaged to just 2 years since his mothers death so it's 2 unacceptable actions from him!! but that's my opinion!!

 

11 minutes ago, ofeliaslie. said:

I think the biggest problem is that this show isn’t on a cable network so a lot of things has to be censored. The story it’s based upon is a little more raunchy for the average Korean audience. If you’ve seen cruel intentions you would know lol. The writing and the editing is the weakest part of the show. 

 

Even tho ratings are important i think people should just enjoy it for what it is. The actors/actresses are what make the show enjoyable for me. The show itself is pretty popular esp when it’s trending on Naver. I wouldn’t give Tae Hee too much flack for giving in. When you like someone that much it’s hard to just break up. But despite her forgiving Shi Hyun that quickly her character has always stood up for herself. I would blame the writing for that. Plus more skin ship and cuteness so that’s a win win for me. 

 

Anyhoo, first time posting in here. Nice to meet you all!

 

same here!! :D:wub: maybe things will pick up with the secret of Shi Hyun's father's relationship going out now?!! but I'm enjoying the drama still and more OTP cute scenes is always welcomed by me!! :wink::wub:

 

nice to meet you too!! :)

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11 minutes ago, viktormani said:

I actually think he doesn't want his father to be happy, remember in episode 1 when he seduced the woman who he saw made his father laugh? He hates his dad and doesn't want him to be happy. Propably because he didn't allow him to enter his mom's funeral, if my dad didn't allow me to go to my mothers funeral i would also hate him forever. I guess that answers why shihyun is angry that he's meeting someone.

I agree with you. U explained it well.

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Hi guys!!!!

First time here. :lol:

I think whenever SJ feel like she becomes to lose SH, she starts making trouble. When she notice SH's changing behaviour towards TH, she told TH that they like each other. This time too when SH told her he won't hold onto her, she made another trouble again. SH is trying to save their friendship. I think she will be the first one to know about TH, her mom and SH's mom accident. SJ will also be using that info to break off SH & TH again. There will be a time where SH will blindly misunderstand TH 'cause of her mom and his dad relationship.When SH realize all the things, SH will not be forgiving SJ and he won't be hold onto her anymore.

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If I counted corectly, SH and TH only had 2 scenes today. .the hospital scene and SH's home (this one was so short). .I mean this drama has 1 hour but the main otp probably only had less than 10 min scenes. .like how??

 

So many useless scenes like the parents (they had more than the main otp) also kyung joo mom, hyejung and her mom. im so bored when streaming. .

 

Do they know that we're still watching only for the main OTP yet they cut our otp scenes??? I dont understand 

 

 

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WDH's insta update

 

 

i think since there is confusion about the last scene - it could be due to editing or just the lack of flow. I am just going to wait till i get the subs before i figure out what exactly is going on.

 

either way, the closer TH and SH as well as their own parents. we are in for a hell of a ride.

 

19 minutes ago, viktormani said:

I actually think he doesn't want his father to be happy, remember in episode 1 when he seduced the woman who he saw made his father laugh? He hates his dad and doesn't want him to be happy. Propably because he didn't allow him to enter his mom's funeral, if my dad didn't allow me to go to my mothers funeral i would also hate him forever. I guess that answers why shihyun is angry that he's meeting someone.

 

you make a good point. It could also be that SH's father maybe also never treated SH and his mother well enough. You know it could have been all an act and stuff.

as such, to him he is betraying the mother as well as angry at his father for meeting someone else.

 

3 minutes ago, baby.hae said:

If I counted corectly, SH and TH only had 2 scenes today. .the hospital scene and SH's home (this one was so short). .I mean this drama has 1 hour but the main otp probably only had less than 10 min scenes. .like how??

 

So many useless scenes like the parents (they had more than the main otp) also kyung joo mom, hyejung and her mom. im so bored when streaming. .

 

Do they know that we're still watching only for the main OTP yet they cut our otp scenes??? I dont understand 

 

 

 

I agree that actually the parents storyline was rather unnecessary to me. It just doesnt feel blended.

hopefully tomorrow we will get more nice scenes.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, kaoriharang said:

I agree that the next phase has to happen soon. though i wish they did make the reconciliation a bit more longer - it felt rather quick and TH's resolve was really broken down very quickly.

 

Yea exactly, but once TH finds out or SH finds out, i wonder how this would change everything. SH may end up hating TH because of her mother.

 

I can't deny that even if it made me happy!! :tongue: hihihi

 

don't think Shi Hyun would hate Tae Hee for her mother's relationship with his father but things will get complicated and hard for sure!! :unsure:

 

13 minutes ago, meiil said:

Alright so that tweet translation was wrong, basically SJ threw another tantrum of hers trying to keep her manipulation over SH but it didn’t work. He basically told her to stop bc he won’t keep their friendship anymore if she doesn’t end her antics and SJ just told him about his dad having another affair only to richard simmons him off more...ugh classic richard simmons SJ move 

 

totally!! she doesn't get what she wants?!! she just lashout and hurt her supposedly friends!! why be the only mesirable one right?!! :angry:

 

12 minutes ago, biancapot said:

So in this scene, Sooji wants them to get married tomorrow to stop their parents from marrying because she feels like her mom is being treated badly and the dad is not doing anything to protect her. Shihyun obviously doesn't want to (for obvious reasons related to taehee), but sooji goes off on a tangent related to her asking if he's worried that he'll be the same with her (basically saying that she's agreeing to what he wanted). But then shihyun says he doesn't want to, quite coldly too. Then SJ goes off about how he ended the bet without telling her (basically what @kaoriharang posted but SJ is the one saying this not SH).

 

I actually didn't understand this scene well, the flow of emotions from SH didn't seem logical. I feel like they cut up some lines or something... either way, the writers and editors need to do better tomorrow.

 

I gothered as much and I wasn't wrong apparently!! (thank you for clarifying to us!! :wub:) how funny she was the one who turned his marriage offer 1st and used it to play him to accept her bet regarding Tae Hee but now she want to take the offer again and gets mad he's no longer interested!! yeah because EVERYTHING should follow her wish whenever she wants to and they should have no say in it!! I had enough of her!! :angry:

 

why didn't seem logical?!! you mean his outburst when found out about his father's affer or his scene with Soo Ji before that?!!

 

I agree on that!! I still enjoy the drama but I can't deny that the writing and editing need more work!!

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jumping on with a vveerryyyy unpopular opinion... 

 

but I don't think the SJ at the end of ep 14 was all that selfish (ie she wasn't doing it for her own sake, but for her mum) - she knew the marriage was business only from SH's dad side, but yet her mum was acting all excited like someone in love again (eg. asking SJ to pick out what top she should wear for a possible brunch date), and then she found out SH's dad was actually having a side affair (business marriage or not, i don't think this is acceptable).  Add on to whatever business the two groups are doing leading to the egg pelting of her mum, I can only imagine all of SJ's anger and frustration welling up, and a 19 year-old trying hard to stop things with the only way she knew how.  I can't imagine she wanted it to go the other way which is her mum to find out the truth - as rebellious as she acts against her, she looks like she does love her mum.  

 

SH shouldn't be left totally off the hook too, because he was the one who actually kickstarted this, with his suggestion that he and SJ marry before their parents do. he made that suggestion, joined the game knowing what it entailed, then all of a sudden just didn't want to be a part of it and didn't tell SJ? Sejoo was right - they should end it together since they started it together. So I think SH has to payoff his end in all of this and he can't just absolve himself of everything. SH will find it hitting him back in the face again for sure when TH finds out about the bet. What I didn't get was why he was so angry - but I think it has to do with his mum as well (was his mum actually in a loveless marrige then?)

 

hahaha i'm probably on the wrong end of the boat for this drama - because i started with the first 4 eps (watched for WDH!) and could only watch clips afterwads due to busy life, my favourite character was actually SJ (all kudos to MGY for such a drawing performance!!). And then I started loving all the Sejoo antics, so I started hoping he gets what he wants at the end. Never have I been on the second lead boat (for both male and female) so much...

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14 minutes ago, icyphoenix said:

I didn't watch the live stream.. I missed it:bawling:. How was the episode chingus?

 

can't really tell as I didn't watch it livestream only naver/YT videos!! :tongue: but it's good with hope for emprovement writing and editing wise?!! hhhhhh but I loved our OTP's cute scenes :wub: and Shi Hyun making his (shortly lived) stand up against Soo Ji's childish/selfish tantrums!! good 1st step still!! :naughty:

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Is it maybe me, but i feel TH as character is sacrifice for the writer. I feel the writer is more invested in the trio friendship and parents stuff, then write an organic love story for the OTP. I mean they could have showed SH trying to win TH in more manner. they could end episode with them getting back after him doing some big soul searching and maybe breaking away more from his friends. as it is now i feel it is more like a band aid then actually felling that SH deserved TH. would have loved to see him showing TH that he is only hers and that he fiend her more important then SJ... I just think it is sad that writer could have given more of TH than what is showing..

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4 minutes ago, sakura2016 said:

why didn't seem logical?!! you mean his outburst when found out about his father's affer or his scene with Soo Ji before that?!

Oh the part that seemed weird to me was Shihyun's coldness when he answered "i don't want to, though." It was just so sudden, especially since he went cold before sooji actually went off and said really mean things about him and his dad. Although she did say some bad things, i feel like shihyun, her friend, would have understood her and soothed her. He said it in such a way that would make you feel like you hit a nerve, kind of how Shihyun treated Taehee when she said things about how he seduced Kyungjoo's mom. But maybe he's just overall done with sooji now haha. When it comes to his reaction to the other woman, I did think it wasn't very well written into the scene but I can get by with the chingus opinions here :)

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4 minutes ago, herina_90 said:

jumping on with a vveerryyyy unpopular opinion... 

 

but I don't think the SJ at the end of ep 14 was all that selfish (ie she wasn't doing it for her own sake, but for her mum) - she knew the marriage was business only from SH's dad side, but yet her mum was acting all excited like someone in love again (eg. asking SJ to pick out what top she should wear for a possible brunch date), and then she found out SH's dad was actually having a side affair (business marriage or not, i don't think this is acceptable).  Add on to whatever business the two groups are doing leading to the egg pelting of her mum, I can only imagine all of SJ's anger and frustration welling up, and a 19 year-old trying hard to stop things with the only way she knew how.  I can't imagine she wanted it to go the other way which is her mum to find out the truth - as rebellious as she acts against her, she looks like she does love her mum.  

 

SH shouldn't be left totally off the hook too, because he was the one who actually kickstarted this, with his suggestion that he and SJ marry before their parents do. he made that suggestion, joined the game knowing what it entailed, then all of a sudden just didn't want to be a part of it and didn't tell SJ? Sejoo was right - they should end it together since they started it together. So I think SH has to payoff his end in all of this and he can't just absolve himself of everything. SH will find it hitting him back in the face again for sure when TH finds out about the bet. What I didn't get was why he was so angry - but I think it has to do with his mum as well (was his mum actually in a loveless marrige then?)

 

hahaha i'm probably on the wrong end of the boat for this drama - because i started with the first 4 eps (watched for WDH!) and could only watch clips afterwads due to busy life, my favourite character was actually SJ (all kudos to MGY for such a drawing performance!!). And then I started loving all the Sejoo antics, so I started hoping he gets what he wants at the end. Never have I been on the second lead boat (for both male and female) so much...

 

you make a good point though.

I think SJ knew that her mother's heart was indeed invested into the relationship between SH's father. So I like to think that she is defending her mother's honour. I dont think it is completely selfish or selfless of course. I believe SJ is 50-50 when it comes to this.

her bringing TH's mother up or at least SH's father affair is definitely something that she also knew would spur SH to go nuts. S

 

And you are right about SH not be completely blameless. Definitely this whole deadly game was started by the two of them, it does take two hands to clap.

 

hopefully with the full ep and subs it would help. plus i think we will find out more about SH's feelings towards his dad tomorrow. At least I hope.

 

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and its good to see you here chingu (:

 

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