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[Drama 2018] Should We Kiss First?, 키스 먼저 할까요

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why did we have to have terminal cancer??? i did not sign up for this... but I can't drop it anymore :(

I know it's a long shot, but I am hoping against hope for a happy ending huhuhu... 

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The last few days I have been thinking about this drama and about this OTP and about how far they have come from our first introduction to them and their lives.  I also thought about dying and about living and how instead of looking at them through their sorrows and struggles.  Through the view of Cancer or their suffering or loss even in their past.  That this writer might want us to focus on the beauty that lies underneath all of that.

 

About living in the moment. MH giving SJ maybe the greatest gift a man can give a woman, that of making her thankful she is one.  Reminding her that she is among the living that someone could want her even though she feels lost within her own self.  Yet it's as if MH is planting himself like a seed within her heart.  He waters her with his soft yet tender nature and holds her hand in teaching her to take courage.  He is firm when she needs someone to protect or guide her.

 

What is it that SJ gives MH?  I think she gives him space and understanding to be himself.  She gives him warmth and thankfulness in having someone just to be next to him so that he too can feel alive.  He receives comfort and even laughter in the things she does without even knowing.  She makes him smile and feel things that are not controlled or expected but it's most likely what he has always seen in her from the start that she was different and set apart.

 

My Dad who lost his own battle with Cancer once said. " Let's live as normal as we can, for as long as I am able."  I think that is MH's wish too!  To not wear a cancer banner across his chest but to live one day at a time always believing and hoping for a miracle.  Yet always preparing those around you through love without them knowing in case one doesn't come. 

 

It's as if MH wants to gift SJ through marriage not just a home and shelter from the world but a part of himself to carry within her.  In hopes to give her courage and strength enabling  her to realize the power and value that lies within herself.  To be able to face the unknown boldly even if she must face it alone...

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, USAFarmgirl said:

It's as if MH wants to gift SJ through marriage not just a home and shelter from the world but a part of himself to carry within her.  In hopes to give her courage and strength enabling  her to realize the power and value that lies within herself.  To be able to face the unknown boldly even if she must face it alone...

@USAFarmgirl  I agree chingu,he is showering her with gifts. He is loving her , making her laugh , giving her little of adventures and trying to give her a reason to want to truly live. I think that another gift he could be giving her is another baby. Now that would be the best gift and that will make her want to live again. Shelter, money and love isn't enough to give her the edge to want to live again. Don't forget he is terminally ill, once he is gone she will be depressed again. SO maybe a baby is what the writer is truly aiming for.... :heart::heart::heart:   cheer2-onion-head-emoticon.gif  cheer1-onion-head-emoticon.gif   cheer3-onion-head-emoticon.gif  

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@USAFarmgirl.... Thanks chingu, sometimes I surprise myself and have a good theory for a drama that comes true.  It would be the best gift because there is always light when surrounded by darkness. It is all about knowing where to look and not to give up hope. :heart::heart: I love reading your POV too chingu...... I hate forgetting to write what is on my mind..... B)

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Now that I've regenerated my braincells after burning them with conspiracy theories at the Misty forum, let us rejoice and return to the happier but more heart wrenching SWKF discussion. Looking forward to see MH in a pissy mood tonight. But Soon Jin-ah, please stop treating/thinking MH as a prize/host. You deserve love too.

 

Hopefully the OTP is able to solve whatever misunderstanding they have within this episode.

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On 3/14/2018 at 4:08 AM, chickfactor said:

i enjoyed your post on this.  I wanted to interact/converse with it.  Nothing written is meant to challenge your ideas. People sometimes get all weird in the forum, so I wanted to be clear about my intentions.

 

For those who had guessed that Mu-Han had some sort of illness, kudos to you. Did not see this coming. So much pathos in our starting premise, it never occurred to me the writer would think that what Soon-Jin needed to heal was not living happily ever after but a better death. Silly me.

 

For those who had guessed that Mu-Han had something to do with Soon-Jin's daughter's death, kudos to you.  Suspected this, but it felt convoluted and overly intertwined, but it might be afterall.  I thought that there was a specific reason for Kyung-Soo insisting that anyone but Mu-Han because Mu-Han is trash.

 

You know your K-dramas. You can probably write one yourselves. :) Others, maybe, but not me. 

 

I am bummed. Can't we have anything nice? Because no matter what we (the audience)say we are here for the pain and the catharsis that comes with it. Can't Soon-Jin? Are we going to have yet another "most beautiful and intense romance ever (until death does them part)" story?? With an ambiguous ending, leaving the inevitable death off screen? And after that, we are left to imagine that the love they shared will sustain her for the rest of her days? Or he will die in her arms on a lonely beach, like that other famous drama? I think k-drama has beaten me into submission.  I've always been pro-death when death was a part of the premise. With Scent of a Woman and Contract Marriage I was irritated because death was a part of the set up and the creative team "copped out" and gave an ambiguous ending.  I can deal with ambiguity in this drama because death was not a part of the opening premise and it was revealed so late in the game.

 

 

Spoiler

Now weekend dramas love to be pointlessly cruel.  In My Golden Life  the premise was that a character thought he was dying and kept it to himself, but it turns that he was wrong, until he died of the disease he said thought he had but assume was a wrong diagnosis.  It sounds weird but I can't make it any clearer. 

 

Or like the kdrama tractor trailer of death in Let's Go to School, Sang Doo. 

 

Or late disease death in All About My Mother.

 

Oh, waaah. I'm sad.

 

Okay, that's what this is. I will eventually reach the "acceptance" stage.

 

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Anyway, it does look like it was Mu-Han's wife's family that may have been involved with the daughter's death. When Kyung-Soo heard the name of the construction company that the wife hails from (I forgot the name), he became extra angry. And when he talked to Mu-Han later, about his ex-wife pursuing charges against Soon-Jin, he said, "you are behaving like a rich person throwing money around to crush others, just like you did 10 years ago." So something happened 10 years ago that involved this construction company.

I suspected Mu-Han was not directly involved in what happened but was "responsible" through association.  That was my justification for him asking if he had the right to love Soon-Jin.  I didn't suspect that he was dying.  I'm still not 100% convince that this connection has been proven as yet.

 

My streaming has been so horrid lately that it sometimes take 3 hours to watch an episode and as a result I am missing nuance and more.  I haven't gotten the sense that Soon-Jin is aware of Mu-Han's connection to her daughter's death. Considering Soon-Jin in ability to forgive her mother regarding her daughter's death I wonder how she would react to Mu-Han when that association is known.

 

In truth, Soon-Jin world has narrowed and her ability to see outside of her despair is limited.  Mu-Han has been aware of her and the details of her life and yet he hasn't registered on her radar.  She did not know they lived in the same building, he did. She might have known at one time, but it seems she is suffering from some trauma induced amnesia.

 

My guess is that it was shoddy construction (building? bridge?) that somehow contributed to the girl's death, and Soon-Jin raged against them (vandalism? assault?) and they made sure she was prosecuted for it and sicced a bunch of high-priced lawyers on her, just like they are doing now. 

Mu-Han ex-wife didn't give any indication that she recognized Soon-Jin from anything outside the current context of issues with her daughter. Is it because the vandalism and assault happened after she had left for the States?

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I think Mu-Han was very hurt by Soon-Jin's phone conversation with Mira. But then he recalled the raw emotional moments they shared together the night before, and realized what the truth really is. Hurray.

I agree that Mu-Han was hurt. I don't think he proposed for any warm and squishy reason.  He proposed because he loves her and pities her situation.  He hasn't forgiven her for being dishonest, but he can see the dire situation she is in.  Also he offered himself to her.  He told her use me anyway you need.  He's allowing her to use him as she needs.  Unfortunately he will protect his heart from her, as any sane person would do and end up hurting her deeply.

 

I think Mu-Han misunderstood what Soon-Jin was saying/meaning in her conversation on the phone.  Soon-Jin was asking if pretending to love someone can lead to loving that person because she has already begun to love Mu-Han genuinely.

 

That is when I love this drama best. When it just really dives deep into the emotions. I did love Mu-Han's defiance against his grim diagnosis, but I still feel a little tricked. Terminal illness. Evil conglomerate crushing the regular person. I was hoping that we could avoid those tropes.

 

All recycled tropes are tiring, until they are done well. 

 

On 3/14/2018 at 4:08 AM, chickfactor said:

 

Oh well. *sigh* I still love this show.

 

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25 minutes ago, dzareth said:

Now that I've regenerated my braincells after burning them with conspiracy theories at the Misty forum, let us rejoice and return to the happier but more heart wrenching SWKF discussion. Looking forward to see MH in a pissy mood tonight. But Soon Jin-ah, please stop treating/thinking MH as a prize/host. You deserve love too.

Yes Soon-Jin deserve love too, but on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, food, sex, sleep, shelter is the bottom rung/foundational, then security and safety.  Only when those are in place can most people move on to love.

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Soon Jin's ex told Mu Han that if he does not have the confidence to spent the rest of his life with Soon Jin, he should leave Soon Jin alone. He has one month in his lifetime, he had proposed to her and he is likely be able to leave Soon Jin an inheritance that she can be comfortable for the rest of her life.

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@UnniSarah , @USAFarmgirl  I agree that MH's best gift would be a baby for SJ!  I am looking forward to their wedding and hope that the misunderstanding is cleared off this week. 

 

That black and white photo posted by @just4fun (thank you), with MH smiling and SJ head slightly bent with a sweet/shy smile is so lovely!

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MUJIN's wedding is one of the most beautiful wedding scenes in Kdrama for me! Even SJ's rival was touched to tears! MH's daughter who watched secretly was also moved by the scene. :D

 

They look absolutely GORGEOUS together. I'd say a match made in heaven. Grateful to the PDnim for casting KWS & KSA as MUJIN couple as they not only nail their roles to perfection, they have awesome chemistry too!:heart:

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Hallo...I am new fans of this drama. Thanks you so much for everyone who have posted any picture, video or comment here ^^

I really like this drama, it not really cheesy, not complicated as usual teenager or makjang drama, played by ahjumma and ahjussi, but still heart fluttering. KWS acting is very good. He can act with his eyes and voice. Sometime he didn't say anything but I can feel his sadness, happines, from his eyes. Such a good actor. He is one of hot ahjussi for me, alongside with Jo Seung Wo. Please make them happy Writer-Nim. Eventhough the beginning episode full of sadness but I don't expect a sad ending. Please...please..don't kill MuHan character, hiks :bawling:

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How can Kim Sun Ah slay wedding walk and wedding dress?  She looks lovely and even her partner looks so stunning. But then KSA can be so comical too. hahaha

 

I expected the terminal cancer.  In KSA’s Woman she has one but survived after finding people to love her and gave her will to survive. 

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" Even if I regret it tomorrow...  I want to be happy today... "

 

It's kind of uncomfortable as a viewer to watch MH having to deal with so much.  The loss of his Dog, finding out he is dying with no treatment or even surgery possible due to his cancer.  Yet this man whose mistake we don't yet know or the guilt he has endured.  Is it for something he did or something he witnessed or didn't do? As he himself said " my silence " Is it for not loving her sooner when he had so many opportunities  to do so and not only change SJ's life but his as well.

 

  Here is what I do know what ever it is, he has loved her from afar and  up close.   MH's ex wife said " that a rock can't turn into love. "  She may have a lot of money and power but it would seem she doesn't know everything there is to know about the human heart.  Or how love can reshape anything and anyone if only your willing.  I might add I don't much like his ex it's no wonder MH never said I love you, makes perfect sense. Because he didn't!

 

Still my heart says no matter whats in the past it's like SJ said it's all about right now and the importance of being able to just live within this moment for as long as she can.  It's him who has cancer but she is dealing with and suffering from a disease all her own.  That of pure loneliness and as she boldly yet openly told his ex " At times love can start at pity...  I pity him too.. And being afraid of being alone. " 

 

When you have no pride left,  When you feel as if you have nothing left to lose.  When all you see and all you know is darkness.  And by some miracle a flicker of light comes into your life you really don't care where that warmth and hope comes from you just want to stay in it's warmth as she said in his GAZE.  She just wants to hold onto him and breathe all of him in...

 

This story is simply beautiful even in it's sadness.  It's like watching it rain as if it were tears you can't stop them but you can't help but watch and appreciate the tenderness in seeing every drop of genuine love in it's purest form...:wub:

 

 

Welcome @himmawarie :heart:

 

 

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KSA IG Update

 

 

I am left behind, I am still trailing episodes 7-8 because of real life duties. Anyways, I still love reading your insights here and there :) . Keep them coming !

 

And I must agree , KSA always slay that wedding dress !

 

 

 

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The OSTs used for this drama are soooo appropriate. Love the one used for our MUJIN's happy moments which is jazzy (very Frenchlike and romantic) and suitable for their age group! I love last night's moment when SJ played "hard to get" when MH asked her to eat with him and her expression after tasting his food. MH's expression was cute too! :D

 

Then that sad, haunting OST used for MUJIN's sad moments was simply so sentimental. B)

 

The BGM for the wedding scene is just MAGICAL to compliment our MUJIN couple!:wub: 

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Like the spoilt Chaebol princess she is, I hope the ex wife just mind her own business and stay out of Son Mu Han's life. She is the kind of child who is letting go of her old "toys" to anyone.

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I'm going to make a guess. MH was a witness in SJ's daughter's incident. MH might be working with that company on an advert project. At the time of the incident, he probably didn't know SJ or SJ's daughter. He only saw a grieving mother at the cemetery some 10 years ago but never connected SJ to the incident. 10 years ago was also when MH began his first round of cancer treatment. Maybe MH was unreachable during treatment and that wasn't advantageous to SJ's case. Time passed by and he forgot about her until the flight incident 6 years ago.

 

Upon seeing SJ in the flight, he began to remember her again and felt guilty that her life didn't turn out to be better. Maybe that guilt was the reason he became withdrawn in life. Additionally there was his divorce as well. Maybe MH thought since SJ lost her daughter, he deserve retribution thus distanced himself from his daughter.

 

He went on that date because he was curious if this were the same woman. Unfortunately SJ is the one an only, but she does not remember him from 10 years ago and he was curious/concerned by the discrepancies in her character - finally finding out he life did not turned for the better.

 

Now that he is dying, MH is trying to compensate for her loss in material and emotional matters.

 

Kudo's to Bah-Doo who pointing out that the guests were all wearing black in the wedding scene as if it is a wedding-cum-funeral. Was that intentional? And I agree KSA looked absolutely beautiful. I wish she would show her forehead more.

 

I'm enjoying recent K-dramas with non-linear storyline. In SWKF, I think the time jumps were done quite well. The o genki desu ka scene might take place after she heard of his health. Since they are having the wedding on 6 April which is right before the last episodes, it could be that everyone is already aware of MH's situation so the wedding a celebration of rejoice and goodbye.

 

MH said he will reveal himself at the right time. When they go to court again?

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