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21 hours ago, triplem said:

I enjoyed Terius . Solid premiere. I like it . 

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NiF is a well written drama . I’m at eps 17 . Am a bit slow watching it coz unlike k dramas , I need to really concentrate on the conversation, so I don’t watch many episodes in a week .

By the way , does she know about the accident yet ? That is the most important thing he has to tell her 

 

Sadly the preview shows GB will learn about the accident. Someone tells her it happened because of her :cold_sweat:

 

 

 

19 hours ago, supergal99 said:

 

:love: omo..omo... the kisseu garden scene!!  *super cheers* for CrunchCrunch couple hahaaa.. (so cute u name them:yum:)

:kiss_wink: pardon me -- 'running' straight into the happy ending of ep. 8:

(tks to IG video owner @peizheng4060)

 

:P *ouch* my neck.. ops ops..

i hope they muak again in ep. 9 next week --> looks more comfy:blink::

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wowww  so good.  A great effect on the vanishing kiss scene as if a passionate kiss melts them away
Sorry to say  GB isn’t smiling in their hug because she learns about the accident and she thinks it happened because of her. :unsure: 

Btw  Korean fans came up with a new name for OTP: Princess couple
공(마성)(Gong MS) + 주(기쁨)(Joo GB) => 공주 (Gong Joo)(princess in korean)

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Yeah I know now so I edited it  hehe  :tears:;)

 

 

 

 

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EP 8: The ending hooked me good. Loved the beautiful scenery. Ma Sung in his white suit. Totally teared up when he remembered their time together 3 years ago. This was the best part of the episode. ❤️ His slo-mo running scene looked so dramatic though. xD Wish he gave her a backhug more than the kisses. Wish he had explained the truth to her too, but that might be coming in the next episode (according to the preview). It's exasperating that they keep dragging this out.

 

Ki Joon was so whiny in this episode. Spoiled brat. Maybe he will take his life more seriously after he learns the full truth about Ma Sung. Or maybe not. Maybe it's better not to tell him cuz he seems like the type to spill the beans too easily.

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Watching ep.8 made me almost wanted to give up on the story and just stay for the beauty of CJH, but... the last few minutes made it all up (:P I had goosebumps watching them:wub: finally!) so I'm willing to give the writer another chance for proper plot development.

 

The only thing I like (except of course the last few minutes) was that GMS decided not to trust Dr.Yoon anymore. Honestly I'm not following the medical condition very well, esp.since it is a made up condition (I'm here mainly for the romance) but I hope the medical stuff get sorted out soon. Was it really said that he's not going to be able to live long? That his brain/cerebrum is shrinking fast? 

 

O, and also like it when GB stood up to Kim and declared she'll look into what happened 3 years ago... his face, lol....

 

Back to replaying the last few minutes of ep.8.... :P

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You know....for a man who has a rather serious mental condition his intelligence doesn't seem to have gone down at all. I think it might be important later, but I though the whole conversation with MS and the Agent and answering math questions was seriously impressive. The fact that he can calculate those huge numbers in his head so quickly is genius level...so why did they show that? It was established earlier via the quiz show that MS is extremely smart, so why show off his genius levels again? Is it just me that thinks there is a reason the writer did that? I mean it wasn't even a Product Placement scene...is this to hint that his brain has the capacity to continue to work properly?

Sorry it just doesn't make sense that they keep saying his condition is serious and he apparently will eventually die. Also they say that his brain is shrinking and deteriorating...other than the doctors saying this doom and gloom...we really haven't seen other than he forgets where he is at and what he has done. I haven't seen him forget how to do his job, how to add, how to drive or anything else of intelligence. He just forgets what he was doing previously.

 

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Making videos which someone translated for some parts.    SHY is a good captain cheerleader.  :lol: 
Ma-Bbeum-ie:  The name  staff uses for them.  It sounds cute  ((Gong Ma Sung & Joo Gi Bbeum))

 

 

 

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Random this and that thoughts:

 

1) Not sure I enjoy the overall flow of this script.  As a drama - enjoyable yes but my focus definitely is :

CJH, and his VOICE. Totally in it for CJH. Missed the dude since he enlisted - I didn't catch Tunnel.

These days I am replaying his sexy rendition of the ER Couple OST ad nauseum in the car.

 

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=  OTP moments and interactions :wub:  -  though NOT ecstatic abt his buying the cafe and reserving table for her.

= I like my heroines independent, determined feisty and thankfully she's all that. With ck1Oz  that the man can sprout drivel and I will still listen to CJH speak deliciously-sexy gibberish. :P

= Love JGB and her bestie friend moments.

= Love the Secretary + GMS moments

= Love ethical CEO Jang

 

2) Song Ki-joon (LOL Song Joon-ki :P ) totally irritates me. It's like his only script mandate is just to act like an OTT blustery  fool, and just when you think it can't get any worse -  an even bigger blundering fool! :rolleyes:

Even more so than the actress Ha-Im (at least that one is just self-centred selfish). Please hitch them together soon and pack them off to Siberia or something, with as many real and fake fur collars as they need .Save the time and screen space for more OTP moments please! And hey bring back those per-episode shower scenes yo, while writing all  that in. :P

 

3) The amnesia plot - how come GMS can recognize his irritant cousin Ki-joon each day and recognize he's there for something each time? And his secretary ... and everyone else on a day to day basis?

 - Why even write GMS as a neurologist? If he has to visit his own neuro specialist just to get his own MRIs/CT scans etc - why not just make GMS some other type of medical specialist instead?

 - In Kdramaland ... they just wait at seperate gates in the same playland ... diff entrances at parks, cinemas, airports, wherever etc forever. They don't ever use their cellphones, in one of the most IT tech-savvy countries  - Korea. :rolleyes:

 

That garden looks familiar ... wasn't Park Shin-hye touching those Roman Statues in one of her dramas? When she was in a convent.

 

 

 

 

On 9/27/2018 at 4:47 PM, triplem said:

I enjoyed Terius . Solid premiere. I like it . 

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NiF is a well written drama . I’m at eps 17 . Am a bit slow watching it coz unlike k dramas , I need to really concentrate on the conversation, so I don’t watch many episodes in a week .

By the way , does she know about the accident yet ? That is the most important thing he has to tell her 

Terius  = So Ji-sub! :wub: I am heading there too.

 

I hope no Noble Idiocy arises as a result of her finding out about the accident.

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I like the relationship between the cousins. This is how cousins should act minus cleaning after their messes lol. While SKJ is amateur brat, at least he is not plotting to kill his own cousin. 

 

Yey, finally he regained his memories, let the romance begin. And I love his voice:love:

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39 minutes ago, supergal99 said:

yum yum* ops ops:glasses:

 I screamed  when he did that. SHY actually took a good look. Lucky girl . And Hoya was trying to keep a straight face . :joy:

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So all done with this week's episodes. To be fair this drama's script isn't the strongest nor does it have the most ingenious ideas.( yes why doesn't MaSung have a vid or CCTV to keep track of things)  ...but I go weak in the knees when I see scenes like this ...him just towering over her in that deadly voice of his. Squeals. This keeps me invested.

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There were a few things that I did like about the last couple of eps.  

  • Ma Sung is beginning to recall some important memories and not just the ones related to GB.
  • He used his position as the majority shareholder at the board meeting. It's about time he realises aunt isn't on his side.
  • We can finally see who the good and bad guys are. Doc, Aunts , CEO Kim - these people need a to be properly punished at the end of this. His secretary and CEO Jang - good guys with heart. I hope we see CEO Jang and GB succeed in this industry. 
  • To hear GB tell KJ it is Ma Sung that she likes . It was obvious of course ...but still nice to hear that she still feels the same.
  • And lastly this: 

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I really want her to know his condition soon. 

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1 hour ago, supergal99 said:

 

:glasses: ah..ah.. caught u triplem heh~~

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O..kay...erhm... i also need to take a closer look (again):blink:

 

:lol: thank you for providing us with the magnifying glass...

I really love the comfortable interaction they have in the BTS clips. I never feel the urge to ship CJH with any of his past co-stars until now... on the verge of shipping them :P

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lol, you all are so hilarious.. 

 

one thought: MS was clever enough to use voice recording to prevent his secretary from resigning. So, maybe MS is not as naive as we thought before. If the writer is a fan of domestic-thriller-novel, I won’t be surprised if we have some twisted plots later on. 

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On 9/28/2018 at 9:10 AM, guinearoyal said:

You know....for a man who has a rather serious mental condition his intelligence doesn't seem to have gone down at all. I think it might be important later, but I though the whole conversation with MS and the Agent and answering math questions was seriously impressive. The fact that he can calculate those huge numbers in his head so quickly is genius level...so why did they show that? It was established earlier via the quiz show that MS is extremely smart, so why show off his genius levels again? Is it just me that thinks there is a reason the writer did that? I mean it wasn't even a Product Placement scene...is this to hint that his brain has the capacity to continue to work properly?

Sorry it just doesn't make sense that they keep saying his condition is serious and he apparently will eventually die. Also they say that his brain is shrinking and deteriorating...other than the doctors saying this doom and gloom...we really haven't seen other than he forgets where he is at and what he has done. I haven't seen him forget how to do his job, how to add, how to drive or anything else of intelligence. He just forgets what he was doing previously.

 

Any thoughts?

@ktcjdrama @triplem @gutibear @supergal99 First, I was a little hesitating watching the episodes from this week because of the complains. So now I have finished watching both and it wasn't so bad. Sure, I wished, GMS had already explained the accident, especially after the second missed date. 

However, I don't think that the writer made such mistakes like presenting GMS as a genius, while on the other hand it is said about him that his brain is shrinking and deteriorating. In my opinion, he is not seriously ill like he thinks he is. Why do I think so?

First, his illness is supposed to be a secret and yet, KBS hears from his secretary about the curse of conglomerate family. He discovers from him that GMS's brain is dying due to the accident from 3 years ago. So there are rumors about his illness circulating indicating that his illness is not a secret in reality. This rumor is used by Chairman Gong. They are already expecting him to die at a young age.  Then who said that his brain was dying and shrinking? It was the doctor Yoon.... and he told GMS and the chairman Gong about it. GMS is convinced that he is dying. Sure, we know that the director Yoon wants to get the position of the Center director. But what if he didn't lie just to GMS but also to the chairman Gong? Why should he mention it to her, when he is clearly aware that GMS is remembering things? He knows that GMS is remembering JGB each day and he doesn't need to read his diary for that. Why did he point out his "illness" to her?

I suspect that there is more to it. I believe that since GMS's brain was severely damaged after the accident in Hainan, Yoon was sceptical about his recovery. My theory is that Yoon knows perfectly well what would happen if GMS was declared to be in recovery and would no longer suffer from his accident. In my opinion, he might have discovered that Chairman Gong tried to have him killed three years ago. By turning him into a "dying" man, he makes sure that his life is not in danger. I do think that Yoon used hypnosis in order to stop his recovery and mess up his memories. 

Then we all witness GMS's "illness". However, I have the impression that GMS is actually more suffering from a trauma caused by the flashes (intense lights) than a real physical cause (dying brain). Remember that after the accident with his parents, while he was laying on the ground, he saw the lights from the coming cars and couldn't bear the intense lights in his eyes. When his aunt spoke to him at the funeral (terrible words), just after hearing that, he was confronted by the flashes of the cameras... That's why he can not look into intense lights, these function as triggers for his trauma. He is remembering all these painful events. However, his brain has already started healing hence once confronted with the intense lights, he remembers his past memories. In my opinion, he is also little by little recovering from his trauma: 

  • When he came to the studio and was playing the brain game, he fainted once he was confronted with the spotlights. So this was his worst reaction: his trauma was so severe that he felt like he was dying.
  • In the episode 7, he forgot his date but a buried memory from his past resurfaced. So he somehow suffered a little (headache, dizziness aso), yet he didn't faint at all. So his condition is improving.

Yoon lied to GMS saying that the results were not out yet and he was surprised by the results. He has noticed that GMS's brain has changed and improved. To conclude, Yoon might not be entirely on the chairman Gong's side either.

 

Since GMS booked a room in a hotel for JGB three years ago, JGB might have ended up in that hotel room with that Hallyu actor. This was better in order to remain anonymous. Nevertheless, the killer sent after GMS thought that the actor was the person he should kill. Thumbnail 

We shouldn't forget that the killer located GMS with his car. Someone must have told him where GMS was staying as he had used his credit card... so the killer just went to the hotel room and killed the actor believing that he was GMS. He hadn't seen his face and he knew that he was with a woman which looked a lot like the woman he had seen with him.

      

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12 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

Since GMS booked a room in a hotel for JGB three years ago, JGB might have ended up in that hotel room with that Hallyu actor. This was better in order to remain anonymous. Nevertheless, the killer sent after GMS thought that the actor was the person he should kill. 

I think the hotel room where the murder happened was the actor’s room. I can’t see how he knew that MS booked a room for GB. And if the murder did happened in the room that MS booked for GB, don’t you think MS should’ve been tangled with the case? Since it was his CC that he used to book the room?

 

What if, MS never booked GB a room? what if, that room was for himself..remember that not long after we heard him calling someone to cancel his flight? So he already decided to stay another night until he help GB find her group. We also never heard him mentioning to GB about any room. 

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20 hours ago, triplem said:

I really want her to know his condition soon. 

 Ugh same here chingu! I’ve just binged and caught up with this show, absolutely love chemistry with couples and the story is engaging despite the occasional ring arounds. My only problem is that it’s about time she knows already! I don’t want her to find out in the last episode like some shows did in the past about the love interest finding out the characters secret *cough* 

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On 9/29/2018 at 7:57 AM, bebebisous33 said:

@ktcjdrama @triplem @gutibear @supergal99 First, I was a little hesitating watching the episodes from this week because of the complains. So now I have finished watching both and it wasn't so bad. Sure, I wished, GMS had already explained the accident, especially after the second missed date. 

However, I don't think that the writer made such mistakes like presenting GMS as a genius, while on the other hand it is said about him that his brain is shrinking and deteriorating. In my opinion, he is not seriously ill like he thinks he is. Why do I think so?

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First, his illness is supposed to be a secret and yet, KBS hears from his secretary about the curse of conglomerate family. He discovers from him that GMS's brain is dying due to the accident from 3 years ago. So there are rumors about his illness circulating indicating that his illness is not a secret in reality. This rumor is used by Chairman Gong. They are already expecting him to die at a young age.  Then who said that his brain was dying and shrinking? It was the doctor Yoon.... and he told GMS and the chairman Gong about it. GMS is convinced that he is dying. Sure, we know that the director Yoon wants to get the position of the Center director. But what if he didn't lie just to GMS but also to the chairman Gong? Why should he mention it to her, when he is clearly aware that GMS is remembering things? He knows that GMS is remembering JGB each day and he doesn't need to read his diary for that. Why did he point out his "illness" to her?

I suspect that there is more to it. I believe that since GMS's brain was severely damaged after the accident in Hainan, Yoon was sceptical about his recovery. My theory is that Yoon knows perfectly well what would happen if GMS was declared to be in recovery and would no longer suffer from his accident. In my opinion, he might have discovered that Chairman Gong tried to have him killed three years ago. By turning him into a "dying" man, he makes sure that his life is not in danger. I do think that Yoon used hypnosis in order to stop his recovery and mess up his memories. 

Then we all witness GMS's "illness". However, I have the impression that GMS is actually more suffering from a trauma caused by the flashes (intense lights) than a real physical cause (dying brain). Remember that after the accident with his parents, while he was laying on the ground, he saw the lights from the coming cars and couldn't bear the intense lights in his eyes. When his aunt spoke to him at the funeral (terrible words), just after hearing that, he was confronted by the flashes of the cameras... That's why he can not look into intense lights, these function as triggers for his trauma. He is remembering all these painful events. However, his brain has already started healing hence once confronted with the intense lights, he remembers his past memories. In my opinion, he is also little by little recovering from his trauma: 

  • When he came to the studio and was playing the brain game, he fainted once he was confronted with the spotlights. So this was his worst reaction: his trauma was so severe that he felt like he was dying.
  • In the episode 7, he forgot his date but a buried memory from his past resurfaced. So he somehow suffered a little (headache, dizziness aso), yet he didn't faint at all. So his condition is improving.

Yoon lied to GMS saying that the results were not out yet and he was surprised by the results. He has noticed that GMS's brain has changed and improved. To conclude, Yoon might not be entirely on the chairman Gong's side either.

 

Since GMS booked a room in a hotel for JGB three years ago, JGB might have ended up in that hotel room with that Hallyu actor. This was better in order to remain anonymous. Nevertheless, the killer sent after GMS thought that the actor was the person he should kill.

 

We shouldn't forget that the killer located GMS with his car. Someone must have told him where GMS was staying as he had used his credit card... so the killer just went to the hotel room and killed the actor believing that he was GMS. He hadn't seen his face and he knew that he was with a woman which looked a lot like the woman he had seen with him.

      

 

      

 

 

On 9/29/2018 at 7:53 PM, gutibear said:

 

I think the hotel room where the murder happened was the actor’s room. I can’t see how he knew that MS booked a room for GB. And if the murder did happened in the room that MS booked for GB, don’t you think MS should’ve been tangled with the case? Since it was his CC that he used to book the room?

 

What if, MS never booked GB a room? what if, that room was for himself..remember that not long after we heard him calling someone to cancel his flight? So he already decided to stay another night until he help GB find her group. We also never heard him mentioning to GB about any room. 

 

Well I watched the part again. As you said he called somebody (in English) saying ‘Found the target.’  Then the scene changed.   
I kept thinking while staring at the image of that man with a phone.  I remember the scene in which GB wondered why Kim looked uneasy and she might try to find the real culprit.   It seems very plausible Kim had something to do with the actor’s death.  Maybe the actor threatened Kim by not renewing the contract so Kim killed him by an accident??     
Now you said the man with a phone was targeting MS.  If so, then he might be the one who hit MS on the street. It’s possible he knew MS had a problem with a bright light like a truck light.  After the accident he could say to police that MS stepped on the street first before he could stop.  We  know there are two people, Dr Yoon and the aunt who know about MS’s problem with a bright light.  

 

Also in EP1 MS and Dr Yoon talked about temporal lobe damage from the accident  and the cause or cure of dystrophy of the cerebrum (which I don’t know whether it is related to an accident or not). 

 
I googled both  temporal lobe => ( Traumatic Brain Injury Resource Guide - Temporal Lobes  https://www.neuroskills.com/brain-injury/temporal-lobes.php )   &    dystrophy of cerebru => ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_atrophy

I just glanced through them and  picked up a few phrases here and there.  Because of the way the writer spread out this brain stuff over episodes, it’s hard for me to grasp what is what. Lol   Just have to keep squeeze my brain some more haha

 

 

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3 hours ago, gutibear said:

I think the hotel room where the murder happened was the actor’s room. I can’t see how he knew that MS booked a room for GB. And if the murder did happened in the room that MS booked for GB, don’t you think MS should’ve been tangled with the case? Since it was his CC that he used to book the room?

 

What if, MS never booked GB a room? what if, that room was for himself..remember that not long after we heard him calling someone to cancel his flight? So he already decided to stay another night until he help GB find her group. We also never heard him mentioning to GB about any room. 

GMS was laying for one whole year at the hospital and he was brought back immediately after the accident. So the police could have interrogated the aunt and GMS knows nothing about it. Remember that Joy and the actor met at a bar, where Joy fell asleep due to the drug. If the actor had brought her to his room, it would have been dangerous for his career, especially if he was caught. He wanted to keep a certain anonymity.  

 

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Also in EP1 MS and Dr Yoon talked about temporal lobe damage from the accident  and the cause or cure of dystrophy of the cerebrum (which I don’t know whether it is related to an accident or not). 

And that's exactly why it is bothering me. Because in this episode, it is clear that there is a treatment and he can recover. Yoon said that the therapy wasn't working. I don't deny that his brain was damaged after the accident, however I am more doubting that he is a dying man and that his illness is incurable. To me, it looks like he is now recovering.

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1 hour ago, booha said:

It seems very plausible Kim had something to do with the actor’s death.

I do think Kim killed the actor and put the blame on GB. I don’t know what his problem is, but surely he hates GB then and now. I also think that Kim already plotted to get rid GB from his agency and had his eyes on LHI three years ago. Losing GB would not  really matter to him. So, his blaming his downfall to GB just an act.

 

@booha another thought after reread your post.. who speaks english apart from MS and hotel staff in eps1? Joy Kent. Maybe just maybe..Lol..this speculation has no ends 

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16 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

... However, I don't think that the writer made such mistakes like presenting GMS as a genius, while on the other hand it is said about him that his brain is shrinking and deteriorating. In my opinion, he is not seriously ill like he thinks he is.

... First, his illness is supposed to be a secret and yet, KBS hears from his secretary about the curse of conglomerate family.

... I do think that Yoon used hypnosis in order to stop his recovery and mess up his memories. 

... I have the impression that GMS is actually more suffering from a trauma caused by the flashes (intense lights) than a real physical cause (dying brain). ... However, his brain has already started healing hence once confronted with the intense lights, he remembers his past memories. In my opinion, he is also little by little recovering from his trauma: 

... Yoon lied to GMS saying that the results were not out yet and he was surprised by the results. He has noticed that GMS's brain has changed and improved. To conclude, Yoon might not be entirely on the chairman Gong's side either.

Sorry for cutting so much of your post to save scrolling for other readers...:P

I love reading your theories above, esp.on Yoon. I agree that his condition might not be as bad as what Yoon might have reported. I wish they will show him looking at his own health report instead of only hearing reports from Yoon, which might happen be soon since he has now decided not to trust Yoon anymore. I agree that Yoon is most probably messing GMS up with the hypnosis. Yikes, never trust yourself to be hypnotized by questionable person. Anyway, I'm sure we will no longer see those sessions. However, I'd like to point out that Yoon was delighted after seeing GMS's brain scan in ep.7 around 48min... Why would he be happy about the improvement if he preferred harm for GMS?

- Agree that GMS condition might be more of a trauma rather than physical brain damage.

- Yes, it made me wonder how Kim's secretary (or hired PI?) can get a hold of GMS supposedly secret health condition. If it were so easy, the group will be shaken should the secret leaked to the public.

 

1 hour ago, booha said:

Now you said the man with a phone was targeting MS.  If so, then he might be the one who hit MS on the street. It’s possible he knew MS had a problem with a bright light like a truck light.  After the accident he could say to police that MS stepped on the street first before he could stop.  We  know there are two people, Dr Yoon and the aunt who know about MS’s problem with a bright light. 

I doubt he could have planned to hit him with the truck though, because imo, it was totally by random that GMS was at that spot. He was following Kim and the actor from the tattoo parlor.

 

1 hour ago, bebebisous33 said:

If the actor had brought her to his room, it would have been dangerous for his career, especially if he was caught. He wanted to keep a certain anonymity.  

 

I don't deny that his brain was damaged after the accident, however I am more doubting that he is a dying man and that his illness is incurable. To me, it looks like he is now recovering.

Manager Kim was present at the club where they drank, so he definitely helped the actor to get GB into the room. As her manager, supposedly it was of no problem carrying his "drunken" artist back home. Earlier on someone mentioned, probably a quarrel/fight ensued between the two men when they were in the room, thus it may be possible that Kim was the one who killed the actor. But it is also possible the hit-man mistakenly killed the actor because he followed JGB, although I don't think it was because GMS was the one who booked the hotel room. It isn't clear whether the room belong to the actor or JGB. If it was JGB's room, it is possible hit-man waited for her to return thinking she would be with GMS.

I agree though that it seems that GMS is recovering instead of dying. Hopefully Yoon is not as good a doctor as he thought and he misdiagnosed GMS condition :lol:

 

3 hours ago, supergal99 said:

:tounge_xd:Scenes of him towering her (again) + her taking a closer look at his... his chest (again) ..oh wait.. his tattoo actually *dum~*

Correction: chest, and then tattoo... :P

 

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