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[Mainland Chinese Drama 2019] Novoland: Eagle Flag 九州缥缈录


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The one probably ruling is an Empress Dowager, this title is given to a mother of a young emperor who is deemed too young or incapable to rule. Empress Dowager are widow of the previous Emperor(father of the young Emperor). There are instances where there are Grand Empress Dowager, a title given to a grandmother(and is regent) of the current Emperor. 

 

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@a_tumiwa @nasaan ka Alex? Xiatang is actually Lower Tang - the word for Lower is xia. The original Tang was historically split into two - Upper Tang and Lower Tang due to Chenyue's machinations. From what I understand, Lower Tang is not a kingdom per se, but one of many dukedoms (including Li, which YWY ruled over) under the fealty of the emperor. Baili Yu is not the crown prince, but rather the heir to the dukedom. They use the word 郡主 to describe Baili Jinghong's daughter (and later YR), but that particular title for "princess" is meant for the daughter of a prince, not a king. 

 

On the other hand, the Grand Princess, oldest sister of the previous emperor and aunt to the current one, is the real power behind the throne. She was very likely the regent when the present emperor came to the throne at a young age, and she now plots to wrestle power for herself. She is referred to as 长公主 "Oldest Princess". Here, the title 公主 refers to the daughter of a king, which is befitting her rank as the sister of the previous emperor.

 

Hope this helps.

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To be honest, I dont feel any connection on YR’s character, i dont mind her ending up with JY. I dont ship the main supposed to be couple. I rather see Asule not ending up with her, he deserves more than that, he’s better off without her. I missed SuMa, I felt more connection and spark on screen than YR. Or maybe I want an  Asule in my life, such loyal compassionate  and selfless young man, hoping he continues to grow stronger. Ive watched most of Haoran dramas, and found little less chemistry in most of his screen partners, I just simply enjoyed his characters  and performance, very captivating to see him on screen you wouldn't  need a romantic aspect of the story just him alone and plot lines are enough to kept you interested. He was able to hold his ground with or without a leading ladies.

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I’m really enjoying this drama so far and the three main leads story development each unique in their own way. This might be a unpopular opinion but I don’t personally see why people need the feel to compare Ji Ye and Asule they are different in their own way, I don’t like the fact that some people want Ji Ye to become more ambitious and greedy so that later YR would like Asule. I personally like Ji Ye and YR together it’s different and refreshing. The main lead doesn’t need to always fall in love or get the girl to be great. Let’s just all enjoy the show ☺️ 

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4 hours ago, liddi said:

@a_tumiwa @nasaan ka Alex? Xiatang is actually Lower Tang - the word for Lower is xia. The original Tang was historically split into two - Upper Tang and Lower Tang due to Chenyue's machinations. From what I understand, Lower Tang  is not a kingdom per se, but one of many dukedoms (including Li, which YWY ruled over) under the fealty of the emperor. Baili Yin is not the crown prince, but rather the heir to the dukedom, though he is actually not Baili Jinghong's birth son. They use the word 郡主 to describe Baili Jinghong's daughter (and later YR), but that particular title for "princess" is meant for the daughter of a prince, not a king. 

 

On the other hand, the Grand Princess, oldest sister of the previous emperor and aunt to the current one, is the real power behind the throne. She was very likely the regent when the present emperor came to the throne at a young age, and she now plots to wrestle power for herself. She is referred to as 长公主 "Oldest Princess". Here, the title 公主 refers to the daughter of a king, which is befitting her rank as the sister of the previous emperor.

 

Hope this helps.

 

oh so its like that.

looks like the youtube translator does not really understand the story or the proper word for the translation. 

 

but why the upper tang use other name instead? in TV drama they called Empire Dayin, in wikipedia, they use "Yin" kingdom

 

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@Dramalover23 greed and ambition in moderation is great for a person(in terms of development), it means that he have a goal. What irks me(and probably some viewers) is that his greed and ambition is too much at a point that he's destroying his relationship with the other two. That's the reason why I didn't like JiYe as a protagonist. I'd probably want him to become the main antagonist at the end of the story, without a chance of redemption.

 

But that's just my opinion. 

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There's a romance subplot between the three young leads?? Why?? 

 

Honestly, Ji Ye needs to focus on his career and education. Asule obviously has to try to stay alive amidst the bloodshed between nations and even the fight for the throne in his own homeland. And Yu Ran clearly needs to get her own life since she's not planning on helping her aunt resurrect her kingdom. These kids ain't got no time for romance lmaooooo. 

 

It's normal for childhood friends to outgrow one another. The painful part here will be watching how these three will struggle through attempting to maintain their friendship. Actually, their families, politics, and personal loyalties are enough to come between all of them. Inserting a romantic subplot between them trivializes their identities, characters, and friendship. Sad. 

 

The romance between Lady Su and General Xi was just.... like dayum it hurt so good. 

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All I can say is that this is one of the best drama I have seen aside from Princess agents.I couldn’t wait for the English subs. As someone said I love Asule with or without romance.This is like when I was watching NIF 2,cannot wait for the next episode. Still I would like to have another girl to show up with much chemistry with Asule. Yuran needs to transform herself to someone with maturity and goal.Unlike the other 2 with childhood experiences ,Yuran does not have any to show for why she acted as an immature and self centered person.Maybe a character development would be good.

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@a_tumiwa Do note that I don't pretend to properly understand the complexities of the Novoland universe, but this is what I have deduced based on what has been revealed in the drama so far. Upper Tang (上唐 Shang Tang) is not 大胤国 Great Yin (Dayin). It is merely one of many dukedoms under the Great Yin kingdom, which is ruled by the emperor. The capital of Great Yin kingdom is the city of Tianqi, where the emperor resides. 

 

I don't watch the drama with English subs. However, any translator who takes up the momentous task of translating it deserves much respect and gratitude. It is difficult to translate all the terminologies, particularly in historical dramas, since there may not be a corresponding English word that appropriately describes it and all its nuances. The use of the word "princess" is one example. Also, one word may have different meanings depending on the context. For example the word 世子 shi zi which is used widely to describe LGC or YWY's son, can mean crown prince, or simply heir. The use of the word 国 (country/kingdom) in referring to the different dukedoms - e.g. 下唐国 Lower Tang kingdom, 离国 Li kingdom - is also confusing especially when the actual 大胤国 Great Yin kingdom also uses that same word. Oftentimes, delving too much into the actual detail of the nuances makes the translation of the dialogue cumbersome and stilted. So I can understand why words are just used as is, without going into the various interpretations.

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On 7/29/2019 at 12:24 PM, liddi said:

I do have my gripes about how events unfold. LGC's failed haphazard rescue of JY, outsmarted by the Duke and General Tuoba seems out of character for him, though I guess it could be attributed to his youth and inexperience. Nonetheless it felt jarring since he was patient and bid his time in exacting revenge for Su Ma not too long ago. In addition, General Tuoba's sudden control over the Chiya prisoners of war with his knowledge of the correct incantation to keep them under his will seems to come out of left field, accentuated by his subsequent cruelty and apparent turn to the dark side. Perhaps he was merely wearing a mask all this while, but for someone who not too long ago at Gubei Pass, was a formidable, heroic warrior, this change threw me off. 

 

This was a really lovely write-up!!  But this particular part caught my attention because you are right that Tuoba's transition seemed to come from nowhere.  I went back and rewatched some of General Tuoba's portions from the beginning and then Gong Yuyi's to better compare these two servants (? if you can really call them that?) of Duke Baili...

 

Imo, they're both really shady lol.  I didn't realize it as I was watching initially, but two particular conversations leapt out at me on rewatching.  For Tuoba, it was his "friendly" advice to JiYe about how to advance in the world, which led to JiYe traveling to the Li capital for the assault.  Those are not the words of a hero.  They're the words of a climber, a man with ambition.  Similarly with Gong Yuyi.  She is willing to bind her niece in marriage (to a man who is, luckily for YuRan, nothing like Baili Yin) all for the purpose of restoring the Yu Clan. 

 

I actually really like that most of the characters introduced so far are all on this spectrum of being compromised by their circumstances and their goals.  It feels very true to life, in this fantastical, larger-than-life, type drama.  Hopefully, we'll get to see more of precisely why Tuoba is the way he is.

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11 hours ago, a_tumiwa said:

<cut your picture>

who is this man?

 

 

Isn't he one of the members of Chenyue?  One of the people who are working for Lei Beichen.  At the very least, Duke Baili recognized him as being from the Li country. 

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@a_tumiwa By Yin I assume you mean Dayin Kingdom. It's right in the center where it says 中州 zhong zhou, middle continent. Right next to it, there's faded hard to read 王域 Wang Yu, King's territory, below it is in slightly brighter colours is 天启城 Tianqi Cheng, City of Tianqi. Under it is 宛州 wan zhou, where 楚卫 Chu Wei dukedom (?) is located. It shows up in ep 28, so just noting it here. (下唐 Xiatang and 南淮城 City of Nanhuai is to the left, for other people who might be looking at the map)

 

I almost said I can't found Li, but I found it! To the right is 澜州 lan zhou, to the left of it is 陈 Chen, below it is 离 Li (just above the cropped out continent name). Above chen, there's 休 Xiu, and to top right there's 晋北 Jin Bei. There's other place names, but I haven't paid too much attention to these so I'll just skip them.

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I have been watching the raw episodes, so a lot of what is happening I do not understand.  Is there website with a good novel translation? I want to know what will happen to Asule. Will Jiye and Yuran be together or will Yuran figure out that Asule is the man for her? 

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thanks skibbies,

any idea where is the battle at Gubeikou ? its mean Old North Gate right?

 

the path to capital from Li is actually shorter than to xiatang if we see the map , but looks like there are high mountain terrain that block the path 

 

it's also said that the Yu (winged tribe, gong yuyi's homeland) is in far north and far east,  but the text is just too blur

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19 hours ago, a_tumiwa said:

thanks skibbies,

any idea where is the battle at Gubeikou ? its mean Old North Gate right?

 

the path to capital from Li is actually shorter than to xiatang if we see the map , but looks like there are high mountain terrain that block the path 

 

it's also said that the Yu (winged tribe, gong yuyi's homeland) is in far north and far east,  but the text is just too blur

I thought it was 古北口 Old North Gate too, because there's a town (and section of Great Wall) near Beijing with the same name. But no, it's 古碑口 Old/Ancient Tablet Gate or something. I've looked high and low for Gubeikou but can't find it in any of the maps I found. To be fair, some were based off old version of the map, and one was new version but didn't have anything labeled. The old map had more dukedoms (Shangtang/Upper Tang for example should be just to the north of Xiatang) listed, IDK if they are omitted from the drama or they forgot to slap it on there. I think I saw some of them mentioned, oh well, minor details.

 

Anyways, I've seen comments that the battle is drama original?? Since it's entirely mysterious how Li would go through Xiatang to get to Tianqi. Especially when Chuwei is in direct path if you go straight. However, none of the maps actually show how the dukedoms are divided (none of them have borders, it's super annoying) so I guess Xiatang could border Li somehow.

 

The Winged Tribe was located in upper right, in the Northern Land (? idk how they translated this), across the sea from Lan zhou. It's named 青州 Qing zhou in drama (the map in drama briefly shows it) and newer version of the book, but it used to be 宁州 Ning zhou. The name was changed when they redid the maps. It might be relevant if you happen to watch any other Novoland series.Jiang Nan, the author had a massive falling out with co-creators of Novoland 10+ years ago so he changed some of the geography, history and Wing Tribe setting, I think.

 

Novoland is called 九州 Jiu zhou, nine continent in Chinese. I mentioned four already, the cropped out one in the map is 越州 Yue zhou, where we started at the beginning of the drama is 瀚州 Han zhou, 殇州 is to the right of that. (Qing zhou is to the left if you are keeping track) Then there's 云州 Yun zhou and 雷州 Lei zhou that's totally not relevant to us across the sea in Western Land. There are also other race besides Winged Tribe in Novoland but I don't think they are really relevant here.

 

On 8/6/2019 at 4:45 AM, tarjig said:

I have been watching the raw episodes, so a lot of what is happening I do not understand.  Is there website with a good novel translation? I want to know what will happen to Asule. Will Jiye and Yuran be together or will Yuran figure out that Asule is the man for her? 

The drama diverge significantly from the books I believe, and the story was also never finished lol. I really think this series should have giant writing that says "don't come in for the romance" everywhere it's mentioned.

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From what I've been told, none of them ends well. We'll see how the drama handles it, but I really don't think Yuran and Asule will work out.

 

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Hi everyone! I'm new to this thread. I have curiosity about princess Xiao Zhou. Does anyone know how her character in the novel? And how she is in the drama? I know the main couple for this drama is yuran and ji ye and couple of ppl who's already read the book said so, but i haven't read it so i don't really know. That's why i'm curious about asule and xiao zhou dynamic in the drama. 

 

I got this from weibo

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