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21 minutes ago, missirina said:

 

The crux of the matter is SM is born as Samjang who's destined to save the world. Her birth brought an end to an epidemic, and she faces evil spirits on a daily basis despite being a human. And in the end she will die to save the world. Like what the peddler said, she is a special human who will be able to make a choice that no one else would be able to do. And I'm probably being very brutal now, but it is not that uncommon to die for love. If her sacrifice in the end was only to save OG, wouldn't that be a step backwards for her? A human whose life was so full of sadness, yet grows up to become a successful CEO; a human whose been treated so unfairly by most of the people around her; yet has the strength and inner purity to fight and save the world and the very people who see her only as a misfortune. That is her calling. This is the special human JSM whose soul is so pure and with an inner strength, that SOG falls in love with. If in the end she chose her love over her duty, wouldn't that also be interpreted as her being selfish? And from SOG conversation with MW at the dragon site, he himself agrees that he would never try to stop her if it comes down to it because he knows her selflessness and he respects her enough to not stop her. This comes from a being who once upon a time was so selfish and will only do what he wants without thinking of the consequences. 

 

Now this doesn't mean I agree with the writer's decision to have KDS killing her in the end - they could have done this differently. But its what happened afterwards that I do feel quite satisfied with. By having SOG decide to fulfil SM's wishes, that is to save the world, he's basically come full circle. From a selfish guy who back out of a promise to a young girl, then falling in love with said girl and doing all he can to save her, to finally decide to do something selfless even though SM is dead. This I feel is SM's greatest accomplishment (in this story of course, although the feminist in me is raging like a bull, like, come on man, is that the only thing a girl can do???) - in changing OG to do something selfless without any hope of reward. Of course this feels a bit bittersweet; after all why tease us with SM having powers etc when it all seems useless in the end. But then again, technically she managed to save the world by just being herself - no power or supernatural powers, just a human being.

 If the rationale for having SJ killed by kds is to show how much she managed to change SOG, I give Hong Sisters a “PASS”. Lol

 

while I lament that the death bell premonition wasn’t followed thru, I am also glad that it proves again SJ and SOG has changed the course of actions the heaven has previously planned with their love for each other.

 

and SOG willing to complete SJ’s assignment after her death to destroy the a black Dragon shows his love has grown beyond just JSM herself. It also includes the human world which JSM loved and wanted to protect.

 

CG is subpar which is so really a let down. Even the glutton ghost that used to be fixated onto Alice was better.

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It took the Hong Sisters 13 long years to write a bed scene but they managed to  do it right on their first try. I might have issues with their writing in this show but this whole moment was FREAKING

Oh no.. with everyone hating on the ending, i think i wanna step out to defend it a little. initially without the subtitles, the ending seemed like a whole mess. But if u really just focus on our OTP

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25 minutes ago, juzluvpink said:

and SOG willing to complete SJ’s assignment after her death to destroy the a black Dragon shows his love has grown beyond just JSM herself. It also includes the human world which JSM loved and wanted to protect.

 

CG is subpar which is so really a let down. Even the glutton ghost that used to be fixated onto Alice was better.

I'm sorry to cut your post, but isn't OG saving the human world bcos SM asked him to. If I'm not mistaken SM said it before her death that OG will do anything SM ask, bcos OG said that before to SM right? That he will do anything SM ask him.. well, please correct me if I'm wrong. 

 

As for the CGI for the dragon I am totally agree with you, the glutton monster was better than the dragon. 

25 minutes ago, juzluvpink said:

and SOG willing to complete SJ’s assignment after her death to destroy the a black Dragon shows his love has grown beyond just JSM herself. It also includes the human world which JSM loved and wanted to protect.

 

CG is subpar which is so really a let down. Even the glutton ghost that used to be fixated onto Alice was better.

I'm sorry to cut your post, but isn't OG saving the human world bcos SM asked him to. If I'm not mistaken SM said it before her death that OG will do anything SM ask, bcos OG said that before to SM right? That he will do anything SM ask him.. well, please correct me if I'm wrong. 

 

As for the CGI for the dragon I am totally agree with you, the glutton monster was better than the dragon. 

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6 minutes ago, Ade Noveeanthy said:

I'm sorry to cut your post, but isn't OG saving the human world bcos SM asked him to. If I'm not mistaken SM said it before her death that OG will do anything SM ask, bcos OG said that before to SM right? That he will do anything SM ask him.. well, please correct me if I'm wrong. 

 

As for the CGI for the dragon I am totally agree with you, the glutton monster was better than the dragon. 

You are correct.

.. imo OG is saving the human world bc SM loves it (and SM is his world) 

 

The CG disappointed me as well, but I mean it's a kdrama for crying out loud ... if we expect super high quality we might as well watch a Hollywood production. lol

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18.03.03 Nielsen Cable Ratings

 

#1 Hwayugi 5.945% (nationwide), 6.205% (Seoul)

 

18.03.03 TNMS Cable Ratings

 

#1 Hwayugi 6.8% (nationwide)

#13 Hwayugi rerun 1.8% (nationwide)

 

Nationwide, Ep 19’s peak Nielsen rating was 6.7%. 2049 target rating was 5.3% average, 6.1% peak. 40s women rating was 11.8% average, 14.1% peak.

 

In Seoul, peak rating was 6.9%. 2049 target rating was 5.6% average, 6.5% peak.

 

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3 minutes ago, astrobooy said:

 

18.03.03 Nielsen Cable Ratings

 

#1 Hwayugi 5.945% (nationwide), 6.205% (Seoul)

 

18.03.03 TNMS Cable Ratings

 

#1 Hwayugi 6.8% (nationwide)

#13 Hwayugi rerun 1.8% (nationwide)

 

Nationwide, Ep 19’s peak Nielsen rating was 6.7%. 2049 target rating was 5.3% average, 6.1% peak. 40s women rating was 11.8% average, 14.1% peak.

 

In Seoul, peak rating was 6.9%. 2049 target rating was 5.6% average, 6.5% peak.

 

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final episode will hit over 7%+ with TNMS i hope it can do it for Nielsen as well. 

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Wow...episode 19 is Daebak-ki-yaaaaaa......!! :heart: Awesome acting from Uri OTPs.

First time I watch a Kdrama where both leading OTP are dead (well, one is dead, one is fainting?)....I was sobbing at the last scene when SOG closed his eyes and tears running down, and the OST I believe you. Perfect.

 

- SJ sword is only working to fight the ugly evil dragon with GGG's still on SOG's hand? 

- Can SOG  give up his Great Sage power in exchange with JSM's life?

- Aigooo...that SBR and MW weren't involve in the fight.

- There were no official wedding, but they had a first night together. *chuckles* ... I don't mind a shotgun wedding PD-Nim!!

 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, dramaalpaca said:

OYS has received so many brickbats for her role which I really don't think is fair. She's really given her all to consistently bring JSM to life and I wonder at how she's able to manage the large amount of dialogue and the physicality of the role (holding yourself still and in character is frankly much harder to do than most people realize & she also gets flung about a fair bit). There have been so many theories about how serious she is in the BTS- but honestly, given that the character seems entirely different from her own natural energy, it must have been a tremendous challenge to play. I like that she brought subtle flashes of humour to her character as well. & her aegyo was adorable- those who seem to have an issue with it have issues for exactly the same reasons that were brought up in the bad mouth demon episode- that she looks too old/ mature to play the ingenue, to which I'm like :P. I liked it that for once the main female lead was a successful CEO who is serious, dedicated to work and compassionate- it wasn't an easy role to play, & she did a good job.

 

I totally agree about OYS. I watched her in Come Back Mister (my first drama seeing her) and after now watching Hwayugi, wow... I definitely can see how much work she did to portray JSM, even if some may not love her acting or are very critical of it. It would take a lot to get into the mindset of JSM and her mannerisms etc, and OYS does it very well. She became JSM and I can't think of anyone else who could do her justice. It is such a difference to many female leads, I agree, and refreshing. I remember in a BTS interview she said that she is only 15% like JSM (something like that), so it really shows how much she has had to do to become JSM. I think acting totally opposite of who you are must be difficult. I think I also remember LSG saying he is a lot like OG (90% something?) lol.

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In the original JTTW, SJ and SOG were rewarded by the heavens and made into Buddhas. They have been hinting that maybe they will be made deities after their sacrifice? Like a sort-of bargain?? Because JTTW is also referring to reincarnation, which I'm not buying this time.  

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Whatever.. i mean do people really expect a blokbuster dragon?

so i don't care anymore as long they give us a satisfyig ending. 

The acting has been stellar so far (except for Dragon girl maybe) but i'm sad that Samjang fate is just to be a bowl to contain the evil spirit  then broken to pieces . This is so unfair...

She forsake herself for the world and OG finished the mission  just because she wanted him too.

"The world gets better but it's the world without you there" i cried like crazy. 

It's true that Sunmi is OG whole universe. I can feel the ultimate pain 

 

Why didn't the other demons at least try to help this otp? They washed their hands clean as soons as they don't need samjang. Hence i admire GF loyalty till the end 

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I have questions! Now I have not watched ep 19, but reading from the thread here, I couldnt help but wondering...

 

1. Dragon prince

He was not really in his own body, right? So when he's in Alice's body and Alice got killed, does that mean that he died too? Or did he moved to his original form?

 

2. About Samjang's blood

Can Samjang's blood still bring souls back to life after Samjang is dead?

 

It always amazes me how evil characters live on for so long, even after all the nasty deed that they do, and even more amazed that they LET HER LIVE, knowing how evil she is. Yes, I am looking at you, bride-wannabe-priestess! Grrrrrr!!!

 

I am all for happy ending. It looks devastating now, but I hope they will present us with sweet and beautiful ending tonight. No Gu Family Book-style ending, or BIG-style ending! Be bold! Be clear! Make a 100% happy ending! We want our payoff for investing 20+ hours of our time watching your show!

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Did anyone realise that even up to the moment of SM’s death.. she had noone but SOG by her side?

 

Heavens literally placed a human girl in front of the gates of hell, expecting her to die n succeed in closing it. N don’t forget, they also left her alone with a freaking murderer on the side as well. 

 

Yeah, SM gained some powers towards the end.. was it enough to defeat a huge richard simmons dragon though? 

 

Does one really think that her power of being able to.. i duno.. break a wine glass and lift a spoon weakly with her psychic powers, was enough to fight a MURDERER and a BLACK DRAGON? 

 

...

 

The main role of her powers to foresee the future was for her to discover the truth, allowing her to strengthen her resolve to fulfill SJ’s fate. 

 

So i don’t see what’s the plot hole here.. yeah execution wise of ep 19 could have been better if they had a higher budget. But honestly regarding the way the main characters have been written and acted... i don’t think there’s any major flaw in ep 19

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In the text preview it was said that ASN was still around and hiding.

Is she still using the body of buja? If yes, didn't JSM'S blood brought buja's body to life so maybe JSM is not totally dead yet or she's not 100% human to start with. It feels surreal that our beloved Kdrama will come to an end tonight. :D  

 

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I am totally in LOVE with this drama! It is not titled A Korean ODYSSEY for nothing.  ODYSSEY is "a long wandering and eventful journey" (taken from dictionary) and I felt that it was what I got as a viewer. I was on this journey together with the characters as well as the script writers. 

 

I LOVED the script because maybe it is quite philosophical... I was examining myself and trying to understand human and god as I was watching the drama. ... maybe because of my Christian roots, I can accept everything that was written thus far?

 

Sorry it will be a looooooong post because I really LOVED this drama  ALOT!!

 

1. Many complained about why the HEAVENS are so cruel and want a human to solve the problem.
The EVIL is a builtup of all the evil created by HUMANs (that's what the first half of the story is about EVIL created by our selfishness) so shouldn't HUMANs solve this problem? That's why a HUMAN is needed to show the HEAVENs that there is goodness on EARTH. SM happen to be that HUMAN - embodiment of GOODNESS. If you asked me, the HEAVENS did intercede. Why would a death bell be made known to SOG? Why would White Heron  look for SOG? Why would grandma tell SOG so much??? I see it as HEAVENs way of telling you to think differently.  

 

Isn't life like this? When we are struggling or having a hard time, we pray to GOd and ask GOD to relieve us of hte pain but what comes are people telling us what to do or not to do? They are messengers of GOD. Ultimately what we choose to do is our free will..

 

2. Many complained that the script is a mess.

I thought it was a very thought-provoking and complex script with an overarching theme of LOVE.... It's like watching a Shakesphere play!! the first part of the show tells us that EVIL is created by HUMANs .. We had discussions about the various forms of EVIL and that was what we do when we discuss Shakesphere play during literature class!! IT's amazing right? 

 

the second part of the show tells us that to overcome EVIL it is LOVE.... it is very much aligned to what Christians believe...

1. ASN showed us what a person who does not receive will become - craving for LOVE in all other forms (that led me to reflect on my children, did they receive the LOVE that they need? ) Noticed how she soften when PK showered his love and trust in ASN. 

2. MW showed us what loving for a lifetime meant - I believed it is HEAVENs will that allowed him to redeem the sins of Iron FAN Fairy.

3. GF & SF showed us what sibling love is all about 

4. MW & SOG showed us  the love between friends - there is rivarly, loyalty, supporting what the other party wants to do even if it means losing his life, 

5. Alice (EAST SEA prince) & PK - I remembered in the original JTTW, the white horse is the eastern sea prince and his role is just to follow the monk and he sacrificed himself to save the monk once because the rest of the disciples were not around. So I guess this is how the writers chose to show through ALICE. It is LOVE alright - sacrifice for the someone.

6. SOG & JSM - that is the highest level of love - AGAPE LOVE - Agape love involves faithfulness, commitment, and an act of the will. It is distinguished from the other types of love by its lofty moral nature and strong character. 

That is why there are conversations between the GODs, what will JSM choose and what will SOG choose. Both have demonstrated that they will be faithful to their cause and is committed to ensure the task is done. 

 

That is why the GGG has transformed from an object of obedience to an object of LOVE. That was what the scene when SOG fought with the dragon meant (thought the fight is a little underwhelming).

 

SOG's journey is from being annoyed with the GGG to willingly putting on the GGG out of love for JSM; that is affirmed by Grandma Peddlar...

JSM's journey from being angry with her ghost reading abilities to accepting her SJ role; that is selflessness to the max

For me - reflect on my our actions and how we can make the world a better place. 

 

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22 minutes ago, immortal_piglet said:

Did anyone realise that even up to the moment of SM’s death.. she had noone but SOG by her side?

 

Heavens literally placed a human girl in front of the gates of hell, expecting her to die n succeed in closing it. N don’t forget, they also left her alone with a freaking murderer on the side as well. 

 

Yeah, SM gained some powers towards the end.. was it enough to defeat a huge richard simmons dragon though? 

 

Does one really think that her power of being able to.. i duno.. break a wine glass and lift a spoon weakly with her psychic powers, was enough to fight a MURDERER and a BLACK DRAGON? 

 

...

 

The main role of her powers to foresee the future was for her to discover the truth, allowing her to strengthen her resolve to fulfill SJ’s fate. 

 

So i don’t see what’s the plot hole here.. yeah execution wise of ep 19 could have been better if they had a higher budget. But honestly regarding the way the main characters have been written and acted... i don’t think there’s any major flaw in ep 19

Agree they have been hinting all these things  so far. The twist was. instead of Sunmi summoning the dragon into her body, OG comes on time but too bad she was already stabbed by KDS.

even if OG didn't come, she would have stabbed herself either way.

 

The moment when Sunmi stared at the wiggly funny dragon bravely, i was in tears. She is such a strong and sefless woman. Gaaah... no wonder OG loves her like crazy.

 

I feel aad that the moment she died only OG is by her side. No one knows her sacrifice... no one shed a tears for her. Why??!!!!! If Buja was at least there she would be by her unnie side. Looking at ASN still wandering around in Buja's body.. i feel that Buja's ending is gonna be a tragic one. 

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47 minutes ago, immortal_piglet said:

Did anyone realise that even up to the moment of SM’s death.. she had noone but SOG by her side?

 

Heavens literally placed a human girl in front of the gates of hell, expecting her to die n succeed in closing it. N don’t forget, they also left her alone with a freaking murderer on the side as well. 

 

Yeah, SM gained some powers towards the end.. was it enough to defeat a huge richard simmons dragon though? 

 

Does one really think that her power of being able to.. i duno.. break a wine glass and lift a spoon weakly with her psychic powers, was enough to fight a MURDERER and a BLACK DRAGON? 

 

...

 

The main role of her powers to foresee the future was for her to discover the truth, allowing her to strengthen her resolve to fulfill SJ’s fate. 

 

So i don’t see what’s the plot hole here.. yeah execution wise of ep 19 could have been better if they had a higher budget. But honestly regarding the way the main characters have been written and acted... i don’t think there’s any major flaw in ep 19

 

I think when she went to ask SBR about her role in destroying the black dragon, she was told she needs to take it inside her body and die with it. Since SOG refused to kill her, I think she was going to commit suicide with that ceremonial knife while the heaven people locked SOG up to prevent him from interfering. Though I agree, both the demons and gods' treatment of SJ is just too cold. Its very disconcerting and has been bothering me this whole time. Hopefully, everything is wrapped up nicely in tomorrow's episode.

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34 minutes ago, haymochi said:

Agree they have been hinting all these things  so far. The twist was. instead of Sunmi summoning the dragon into her body, OG comes on time but too bad she was already stabbed by KDS.

even if OG didn't come, she would have stabbed herself either way.

 

The moment when Sunmi stared at the wiggly funny dragon bravely, i was in tears. She is such a strong and sefless woman. Gaaah... no wonder OG loves her like crazy.

 

I feel aad that the moment she died only OG is by her side. No one knows her sacrifice... no one shed a tears for her. Why??!!!!! If Buja was at least there she would be by her unnie side. Looking at ASN still wandering around in Buja's body.. i feel that Buja's ending is gonna be a tragic one. 

 

Omg yes.. aside from OG, SM only has Buja and Han Joo who cares about her :’(

 

oh and Jonathan. How could i forget about him! The necklace he gave SM will be a symbolic item that brings SM back to life for a day. So i guess he is important afterall haha.

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That necklace in ep 20 preview is another ppl from Minigold right?

the meaning is happy end. If Sunmi doesn't get a happy ending ... then can say goodbye to selling those necklaces hmmph <_<

 

@briseis you worded these two beuatiful people intimate moment so beautifully. Yes he is a god who worship Sunmi like a goddess :wub:. He treasures her like the most precious thing ever exist in the whole universe

*gonna rewatch ep 19 again till the sofa scene  ONLY

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