[Drama 2017-2018] A Korean Odyssey/Hwayugi 화유기

[dvrels]

ASN wants to have SJ maybe because she knows another power SJ had that others wasn't knows. Another power beside changing fate and moves the stars and awaken the dead body. 

 

Someone ask about JSM previous dream of her being in tradisional wedding dress, so basically because SJ and ASN slowly changing fate, that is why SJ dream herself in ASN position 1000 years ago. It's not about SJ previous life.

 

There are many possibilities of how SM can get out from the coffin:

1. Just like someone already mentioned before, that Han Jo can told OG of JSM traditional wedding ceremony dream, so from that OG can start to put up the puzzle together and finally find the coffin and free SM

Or

2. OG and JSM new contract that whenever OG call JSM, she will show up to save him. (It can happen if it really a contract not just conversation). So when SOG call JSM she can come to him and free from the coffin

Or

3. JSM who has power to see what happens in future, suddenly has a visions of OG being hurt by ASN so she want to get out from the coffin so she call OG. Or SM got the vision of ASN crush the world so she want to prevent her so she call SOG

Or

4. Demons teams work, and they finally found SM 

Or

5. SM who is in the coffin which placed in KDS living room, heard what ASN and KDS plan to run the world and doing evil things, make SM wants to free from coffin so she call SOG

Or

6. General Frost being beat up by OG and force him to tell where is SM, so OG can go find SM

Or 

7. SM will lock in the coffin until ASN being kill by OG

 

Ok those are some possibilities that my mind can think about, seriously this drama make me think harder than i used to be in the other drama i ever watched

 

Anyway just a reminder, don't forget about SM-OG contract can be nullify/cancelled when SM gave up her life. Omo  if the contract is nullify because SM gave up her life and choose to be in the coffin, then when she call OG, OG will not hear it, omo this is scary, too much of thinking, hopefully this one is not going to happen 

[PororoQueen]

@Zelda, In JJTW You mentioned about NaChal Fan that has given to Oh Gong? Perhaps, do you mean this kind of Fan?

 

Credit: Dramabeans

 

 

[haymochi]

46 minutes ago, dvrels said:

ASN wants to have SJ maybe because she knows another power SJ had that others wasn't knows. Another power beside changing fate and moves the stars and awaken the dead body. 

 

Someone ask about JSM previous dream of her being in tradisional wedding dress, so basically because SJ and ASN slowly changing fate, that is why SJ dream herself in ASN position 1000 years ago. It's not about SJ previous life.

 

There are many possibilities of how SM can get out from the coffin:

1. Just like someone already mentioned before, that Han Jo can told OG of JSM traditional wedding ceremony dream, so from that OG can start to put up the puzzle together and finally find the coffin and free SM

Or

2. OG and JSM new contract that whenever OG call JSM, she will show up to save him. (It can happen if it really a contract not just conversation). So when SOG call JSM she can come to him and free from the coffin

Or

3. JSM who has power to see what happens in future, suddenly has a visions of OG being hurt by ASN so she want to get out from the coffin so she call OG. Or SM got the vision of ASN crush the world so she want to prevent her so she call SOG

Or

4. Demons teams work, and they finally found SM 

Or

5. SM who is in the coffin which placed in KDS living room, heard what ASN and KDS plan to run the world and doing evil things, make SM wants to free from coffin so she call SOG

Or

6. General Frost being beat up by OG and force him to tell where is SM, so OG can go find SM

Or 

7. SM will lock in the coffin until ASN being kill by OG

 

Ok those are some possibilities that my mind can think about, seriously this drama make me think harder than i used to be in the other drama i ever watched

 

Anyway just a reminder, don't forget about SM-OG contract can be nullify/cancelled when SM gave up her life. Omo  if the contract is nullify because SM gave up her life and choose to be in the coffin, then when she call OG, OG will not hear it, omo this is scary, too much of thinking, hopefully this one is not going to happen 

I like number 3

and it would be great if she managed to get out and goes head to head with ASN herself this time

i mean patriarch keeps saying she is more similar to samjang

[YourHighness .]

There is also a simpler solution to why JSM will call SOG to remove her from the sarcophagus. The engagement ring that SOG gave JSM. She promised to protect him when she wore that ring and she may remember that and decide to fight the fate too. Just like SOG has decided.

[sadpluto]

 

I just want to say that I'm glad JSM finally knows about the death bell. There really was no gentle way to break this news to her. No matter who ended up telling her the truth, she would have been just as hurt and tried to retreat into herself to avoid reality. The same thing happened last time when she let the bookseller lock part of her soul away after she found out OG was responsible for her becoming SJ. Now she has locked herself in a coffin to run away from her reality again. It's sad but she really needed to know the truth for the story to progress. I was tired of her being the only ignorant one while everyone else knew the truth. Can't wait to see where the story goes from here.

[Hasmah Marhaban]

2 hours ago, dvrels said:

ASN wants to have SJ maybe because she knows another power SJ had that others wasn't knows. Another power beside changing fate and moves the stars and awaken the dead body. 

 

Someone ask about JSM previous dream of her being in tradisional wedding dress, so basically because SJ and ASN slowly changing fate, that is why SJ dream herself in ASN position 1000 years ago. It's not about SJ previous life.

 

There are many possibilities of how SM can get out from the coffin:

1. Just like someone already mentioned before, that Han Jo can told OG of JSM traditional wedding ceremony dream, so from that OG can start to put up the puzzle together and finally find the coffin and free SM

Or

2. OG and JSM new contract that whenever OG call JSM, she will show up to save him. (It can happen if it really a contract not just conversation). So when SOG call JSM she can come to him and free from the coffin

Or

3. JSM who has power to see what happens in future, suddenly has a visions of OG being hurt by ASN so she want to get out from the coffin so she call OG. Or SM got the vision of ASN crush the world so she want to prevent her so she call SOG

Or

4. Demons teams work, and they finally found SM 

Or

5. SM who is in the coffin which placed in KDS living room, heard what ASN and KDS plan to run the world and doing evil things, make SM wants to free from coffin so she call SOG

Or

6. General Frost being beat up by OG and force him to tell where is SM, so OG can go find SM

Or 

7. SM will lock in the coffin until ASN being kill by OG

 

Ok those are some possibilities that my mind can think about, seriously this drama make me think harder than i used to be in the other drama i ever watched

 

Anyway just a reminder, don't forget about SM-OG contract can be nullify/cancelled when SM gave up her life. Omo  if the contract is nullify because SM gave up her life and choose to be in the coffin, then when she call OG, OG will not hear it, omo this is scary, too much of thinking, hopefully this one is not going to happen 

 

Ur prediction # 6 just make me laugh out loud. I surely can umagine uri Oh Gong beating up General Frost  

[haymochi]

She needs to accept her fate.

it's saddening to see a strong woman who endured all those years of misfortunes and loneliness decided to give up her soul because of love. 

 

The Jisunmi who said

"Becauce i manage to survive all these years alone , i'm proud and think 'more preciously of myself. I want to grow old till my hair turns white"

Guess OG is really more precious than herself now 

 

please don't forget your fate as a samjang.m no matter how much you love OG. You need to be responsible..don't run away...

 

although even if she called OG the soul changing has already started a while ago anyway. Because of our betrayer General Frost

 

 

 

[haymochi]

Dramabeans ep 14 recap is up

and surely the comments make me feel so much better and relief

http://www.dramabeans.com/2018/02/hwayugi-episode-14/#comment-3191636

[aprilx]

2 hours ago, haymochi said:

 

please don't forget your fate as a samjang.m no matter how much you love OG. You need to be responsible.. do 't run away...

 

Sorry for editing your post! It reminded me of what Superman said to Lois Lane “You are my world”. SOG is the world for her now. 

 

Oh has anyone seen this movie, “Reign of Assassins”?  It’s also a pretty touching love story and stars Jung Woo-sung. In that movie someone was telling this story which is quite touching: 

 

A young monk fell in love with a girl and Buddha asked him, “How much do you love her?” The young monk replied, “I would turn into a stone bridge and endure 500 years of wind, and endure 500 years of sunlight and 500 years of rain, and all I ask of her is to cross it.” ~Reign of Assassins

 

Love is a many splendored thing

[kjesin]

I really think OG should have let SM know about the Death bell and that they'll fight that deadly fate together. The main reason SM chose to be sealed was because as soon as she heard about the death bell, she immediately realized that OG already knows and is willing to die instead of killing her.

[haymochi]

4 minutes ago, kjesin said:

I really think OG should have let SM know about the Death bell and that they'll fight that deadly fate together. The main reason SM chose to be sealed was because as soon as she heard about the death bell, she immediately realized that OG already knows and is willing to die instead of killing her.

Right hiding the truth for with the reason "for your sake" never ended well.

he should  tell her about it and how they should fight together like he planned too.

 

Sunmi was once again left clueless when she wanted to ask sobori and OG insisted he wanted to go alone.

 

I swoon at his protectiveness for Sunmi but everyone leaving her in the dark about her own fate is cruel. In the end she has to hear it from the manipulative witch which leave her to no choice

[bebebisous33]

@stroppyse @carolinedl @larus @kaoriharang @evie7 @USAFarmgirl I have just finished watching the episode 13 and I couldn't help myself drawing some parallels between the couples Na Cha Nyeo - MW, SOG and SM and finally ASN- the king/SOG. To me, through these different couples we can notice different kind of loves.

• In the first case, the deity NCN fell in love with a demon (MW) and the result of their love was a child who was destined to die. I believe that we should interpret that their love was somehow forbidden and the death of their child was the punishment. However, NCN decided to fight against this deadly fate and became a murderer. She killed many innocent children as she needed their souls so that her own child would survive. This underlines her determination, strong will, fearlessness but her ruthlessness... she will never accept the fate decided by Heavens. She will use any mean to get what she wants. This points out her similarity with MW. The latter would even betray SOG or SJ in order to achieve his own goal. Both are selfish in the end. Their love is not pure, quite far from it. It is rather destructive and maybe that could be the reason why a deity shouldn't have fallen in love with a demon. Due to their selfish and ruthless nature, their love affected many lives. NCN is in the center of MW's life and nothing else matters. Striking is that he doesn't seem to care about the child. He only has the big picture of his wife in his secret room. It was as if she was his altar. But let us go back to NCN. You will notice that even in her 9 lives, NCN has always killed someone out of revenge. She always felt justified as she saw herself as a victim: in her 9th life, she had lost a child unfairly. But she didn't kill the man responsible for the murder. She wanted to punish someone else who had hurt a child as she thought, her punishment was not severe enough. Her action shows that she acts as a judge and executioner. When she was a deity, she did exactly the same thing. She chose children and killed them as she needed their soul. In other words, her personality has not changed at all. Her major flaw is that she has never put herself in the victims' shoes: she was the one who killed others' children for her own interest: saving her own child. Imagine how unfair the families must have felt. Striking is that in her last life (9th), she was angered because the woman had been sentenced to 3 years. For her, it was not enough. NCN did worse and yet back then she showed no remorse. Sure, right now she doesn't remember her past. To me, she didn't seem repentant, when she was convicted. She didn't beg for forgiveness... her gaze showed no remorse at all. To me, she would have kept doing it, if she hadn't been stopped by Heavens. Therefore I believe, the length of her punishment is related to her personality: it would take her a long time to realize her wrongdoing and regret her sin. What caught my attention is that the only person who asked after the child is JSM!! And this underlines her purity. She saw the crimes committed by the mother NCN from the perspective of the child... if the child had known, he/she would have stopped her mother. The child would have never accepted to be responsible for the death of others. The child would have felt burdened and blamed herself/himself. Since SBR didn't answer the question, I am more and more convinced that JSM is indeed that child.
• The second couple has a different evolution. To me, time played a huge part in their relationship. They didn't fall in love at first sight but they came to love each other after discovering the personality of the other part. Interesting is that even although JSM was tricked and abandoned after their first meeting, she kept waiting for him and she kept calling him "Fairy". (She could have called him a demon or a jerk!!) Even Jonathan mentioned it: he asked her if she had met her fairy. In other words, SOG had left her a huge impression but I believe that it was the same for SOG. He could never really forget her as well. Moreover, she wasn't interested in his power but she wanted more solace and protection so that she wouldn't feel alone anymore. Her first contract with SOG illustrates her innocence and her lack of greed. Then with the GGG, both had to question what is true love... their doubts and questioning had a positive impact on both of them: it made them reflect what they really felt and wanted. SOG doesn't question his love for JSM anymore. Once SOG got aware of his own true feelings, he was willing to do anything for her, even accept his death. JSM thinks the same: she is willing to risk her life and soul for SOG. Both are now selfless. To me, SJ had a good impact on SOG: she turned him into a good deity, whereas he was bad in the beginning. As you can see, it was the opposite for our couple NCN-MW. The latter had rather a negative impact on NCN. The other difference is that both are willing to save their partner and sacrifice to save others... NCN never did such a thing. She could have asked to exchange her life for her own child, but she didn't. To conclude, JSM's sacrifice illustrates her selfless and pure love in contrast to the other couples. Therefore we should perceive the ending of the episode 14 as a "positive experience". The heavens aren't just testing her love for SOG but also her personality. We shouldn't forget that JSM is a human after all, whereas SOG is a deity. Actually, their love seems to be impossible, similar to NCN and MW. SOG got upset because of the death bell but let's face it: JSM was destined to die from the start based on her nature. She is a human being so that her life time is limited. SOG is supposed to survive her as he is an immortal. He has no time limit. To me, the death bell could have been misinterpreted by SOG, JSM and the others. Maybe in reality, her death will be the reason why SOG is killed because if JSM dies, SOG will be really affected. But they all misunderstood the signification of the death bell. But by switching the souls, SM doesn't realise that SOG loves JSM and not SJ hence putting the soul of SM in the sarcophagus will hurt SOG.
• As for ASN, we hear that she was powerful and could even summon a dragon which she did for a king. But the king betrayed her as he only used her for her powers. ASN is hurt because she has been deceived. However, in her speech to SOG (rather Chil Gong), she declared that she wanted to have his love. She chose him as he was powerful and since he was so dedicated to SJ/SM, she was quite envious of SJ. She wants to be loved like SJ/SM, an undying love and she needs a powerful person so that she can remain alive. We shouldn't forget that ASN is neither a god nor a human, she is a mixture of both hence she is not entirely immortal. She needs SOG's powers and SJ's powers in order to keep living. Through her speech, it was clear that ASN mixed love with power. While she thinks that she is seeking for true love that will last forever, she is in reality seeking for power. That's why she wanted to be married to a king. While SOG and SM asked about their genuine feelings (it is true vs. fake love), ASN doesn't even question herself about love. Besides, she is using tricks in order to get what she wants: if she becomes SJ, SOG will love her... because she became powerful. She is definitely seeking for SOG's love. But she is wrong as SOG loves JSM and not SJ the powerful priestess. Besides, love has nothing to do with power. That's why I am quite sure that ASN will be really disappointed in the future as she won't achieve what she wanted. Hence she will have to turn to Professor Kang who could be the reincarnation of that king.             

[lindas55]

 I have also finished watching Ep.13 and as I wait for full subs for EP 14 this is my view on the couples and where the story is going.  As predicted this story has turned intense and somewhat dark.   Each couple represents a side of love. Pk and Bo-Ra are the sweet innocent couple if a demon and zombie can be considered innocent.  Pk wants only the best for her. He refuses to believe that she is completely gone and search for her mother to keep a promise and to keep faith with the love he has for her. Bo-Ra still exists deep inside and it is her kind pure heart that keeps holding on and surfacing every time PK is around.   Woo Whee our bull brings that stubborn bull like refusal to accept anything that stands in the way of love to his couple relationship.  But it is this blindsided view that has caused all the problems for him and the love of his life.  Each refused to except anything but what they wanted and so their blindness to what is and their subsequent acts have caused all their pain.  Finally, it is the Son O-Gong /Jin Sun-Mi couple that has the potential for the most growth and also the most heartbreaking outcome.   Each started out wanting to protect who and what they were.  Sun-Mi was afraid of giving too much and losing too much. She has spent most of her life wish for what she didn't have and giving no value to what she did have.   Son O-Gong cared only about what he wanted and his monkey nature made him reach only for what was fun and easy.  Given their nature, it would seem impossible for these two to ever become a true couple. But each took a chance on trying to feel real love for someone else and each has grown. Now at this point, they represent the deepest, truest form of love, a love that is selfless.  Each is trying to protect the other and each is will to give up their very lives for the other.  It's hard to predict a happy ending for them with so much sacrifice in the name of love waiting ahead in the storyline.  So our story turns for a light-hearted romp into so much more.  It has become a story that turns on the true meaning of real love for another. 

[annie1234]

Just finished ep 13 and waiting for ep 14 to be fully subbed. I really hate that ASY but I agree it would be fun to watch OYS taking the role of ASY for half episode instead of her just sleeping there. I have a feeling that the Summer Fairy will have a role in helping SunMi from ASY and she will know that his brother helped ASY and will knock some senses to his head.

 

I saw someone posted this on Tumblr and I completely agree with this.

 

also to anyone thinking that Song Oh Gong luvs her more, yall are wrong!! Ji Seun Mi, that sweet angel that the world doesn’t deserve, willing sacrificed herself so her love, Son Oh Gong, could live. 
Son Oh Gong is the type of lover who would burn the world for his love. 
Jin Seun Mi is the type of lover who would give herself away just so her love would experience the world.
ahhh the tragedy, no wonder that it’s a journey. 

 

It was a pretty accurate description of their relationship. My heart can't handle that! 

 

[bebebisous33]

@lindas55 About PK and BJ's relationship: you compared them to a couple but PK has been calling BJ as his little brother, so his love for her is different from our OTP. This is a brotherly love. If we had to compared this couple PK-BJ, then we should compare it to Winter General and his sister Summer Fairy as they are also siblings.

WG had asked ASN for her help in order to save his sister's soul. Later, ASN used his sister to blackmail Winter General so that he betrayed SOG and SJ. Besides, his justification was that with her death, SOG wouldn't be killed.  Then we have PK who tried to play a dirty trick as well in order to save BJ. He also risked SJ's life and as such betrayed SOG as well. But PK realized his mistake as he learnt later that he would have turned BJ into an evil spirit. Now, he is no longer seeking to prevent her death, he just wants to respect BJ's wishes. As conclusion, PK is a step further than Winter General who would do anything for his sister's sake. WG knew what SM meant to SOG but he prioritized his own interest over SOG's interest. In other words, even a love between siblings can have negative consequences but the question is: is the person willing to change his behavior? PK did but WG not really. Sure, he sacrificed himself in the past for his sister's sake but he never questioned its nature: at which point will he give up his sister?     

[immortal_piglet]

Sigh when will the ep 15 preview be out i wonder

 

after watching ep14, i realised something.. ASN kept saying that she is more powerful than SJ. But the patriach did mention that SJ is also a powerful shaman. However, is ASN really more powerful?

 

sure she has the ability to see the future. But look at what happened in the last few scenes of ep14 (breaking of the glass).

 

1. SJ foresee that the glass will be broken

2. Startled by her vision, she placed the glass on the edge of the counter. And it breaks, just like what she saw in her vision.

3. N this is where SJ is able to take it further than ASN’s ability of having visions of the future. SJ is able to foresee what her next move will be in response to the vision. She is then able to come back to reality to make a more careful and calculated move in order to reverse the outcome. 

 

Will this be how she will save the world? Always being ahead of KDS’ schemes? Will she even be able to foresee that OG will sacrifice himself for her, and she’s able to reverse that by sacrificing herself instead?

 

or am j just reading too much into the glass of water scene LOL. 

[carolinedl]

51 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

@lindas55 About PK and BJ's relationship: you compared them to a couple but PK has been calling BJ as his little brother, so his love for her is different from our OTP. This is a brotherly love. If we had to compared this couple PK-BJ, then we should compare it to Winter General and his sister Summer Fairy as they are also siblings.

 

 I still have to read your long previous post (where you tagged me) as I have not seen episode 13 yet, but I to discuss PK and BJ - I had assumed that PK acutally liked BF romantically but could not tell her or even accept his feelings just yet. So he called him brother, when; in fact, he loved her romantically. That is why The Octopus is jealous - because he/she, unlike PK perhaps, has realized that he loves BJ.

 

More later tonight after I watch the episode!

[bebebisous33]

32 minutes ago, carolinedl said:

 I still have to read your long previous post (where you tagged me) as I have not seen episode 13 yet, but I to discuss PK and BJ - I had assumed that PK acutally liked BF romantically but could not tell her or even accept his feelings just yet. So he called him brother, when; in fact, he loved her romantically. That is why The Octopus is jealous - because he/she, unlike PK perhaps, has realized that he loves BJ.

 

More later tonight after I watch the episode!

You're right but on the surface, he acts as if she was his sibling. There is a reason why he calls her his little brother. To me it is connected to her nature: she is a zombie and she was supposed to die. He doesn't want her to be burdened, when she dies. IF she knew his true feelings, this would be more difficult for her. He knows that her wish was to be burnt before becoming an evil demon. So by maintaining this close relationship (a sibling), he makes sure that she is happy and knows how much she is loved. I also think PK knows that their relationship is doomed too. 

[Zelda]

10 hours ago, PororoQueen said:

@Zelda, In JJTW You mentioned about NaChal Fan that has given to Oh Gong? Perhaps, do you mean this kind of Fan?

@PororoQueen The short answer is "Yes, that is Na Chal's fan!" A longer answer is coming. I'm currently working on a post comparing objects as they were depicted in JTTW and how they have been reinterpreted in Hwayugi.

 

Hwayugi Funny Fill-In-the-Blanks announcement:

My apologies for the hassle about this. If anyone has tried to PM me their submission and I have not read your PM and responded already, then please try to write me a PM again. It turns out that there is an old, inactive user who goes by @zelda with a lowercase "z". Whereas, my username has an uppercase "Z" @Zelda. (facepalm)

[YourHighness .]

Just thought of something. Maybe JSM getting into the sarcophagus is a fake out? Just like with the glass of water scene. Maybe she sees herself get into the sarcophagus and then ASN going into her body, SOG fighting with her and she killing him(he wouldn't be able to kill her because she will be using JSM's body and he cannot bear to harm her? Not due to the GGG.)

 

So after getting this vision, she calls SOG and he gets her out?