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[Drama 2017-2018] A Korean Odyssey/Hwayugi 화유기

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The thing about not being able to understand Korean is that I need to wait for subs. The thing about waiting for subs is that I don’t quite get the discussion until midweek when I have seen the episodes. It’s like the fella waking up in the middle of the night and laughing at the joke he heard the night before. Sigh.

 

But I am super grateful for the live recap and posts here for it keeps my sanity. Particularly the translated scene where OG and SJ were behaving oddly in front of the rest of the demons. Made me laugh! We know the GGG binds them with artificial love and they have progressed beyond that. Both know it and each in their own way has admitted that much but SJ is the one holding back a bit cos she is apprehensive that he will leave when she is done saving the world. Characters aside, it is clear that both have different interpretations of what the end is like, with OG I think having a clearer view, and so have different thoughts of how they could end up together. Perhaps the next few eps would see them sorting it out. For better or for worse. No one is really helping them since all the rest have their own agenda. I am not optimistic about the end though. Sigh, sigh.

 

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It's just my opinion...

Soo Boo Ri (if im not mistaken his name) has said that GGG is originally used for the couple did not realize each other feeling... I no longer can guess in which direction GGG should be handled.

- if GGG is taken off, st really bad has to happen to SM for OG truly realize that he cannot let SM die

- but, I prefer GGG still in OG since he has to realize that SM stopped him to kill two killers for a reason. Why should SM want OG die??? She is a special person in a human world to be chosen as SJ. OG still has to learn a lot in a human life, with more evilness in a persom, for him to be able back to heavenly realm.

 

We have to focus that the focus of the story line is to fight evilness.. if GGG is taken off I think it will be weird. The function of it is not to prevent SJ for dying, but to save the world through SM. Maybe SM has to be sacrificed to let OG realize how he love her really deeply... this scene is the key of their romance *maybe. But the moment for SM "to take it off-or not" is worth to watch :)

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Ep 12 text preview (wink2 someone kind please translate )

금강고로 인해 자신이 진짜 죽을 수도 있음을 알게 된 오공. 오공은 선미가 자신과 '필살'의 연이 아닌 '천생연분'으로 착각하고 있음을 알고, 선뜻 진실을 말하지 못한다. 한편, 악귀를 없앴던 나무 아래서 의문의 석관이 발견되고, 그 안에는 배신당한 신녀이자 원귀인 '아사녀'가 봉인되어 있음이 밝혀지는데...

 

-Oh Gong realized he could die because of Geum Gang Go

-Sunmi still doesn't know and still thinks it's a "fated love" bell. He can't bare to tell the truth

-something is found under the tree(?) . Someone is sealed below it(?)

 

 

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I'm still trying to make sense of what just happened overnight... trying my bestest to avoid spoilers (although unsuccessfully it seems) before viewing with subs :wink: ... to incur so much angst but since our friend @bebebisous33 summoned me here and somebody else mentioned Moon Lovers :D I thought I should have a look in and add my 2 cents.

 

I suspect that it was always going to be a bit of a challenge doing Journey to the West with extra-terrestrial romance and a happy ending. That's the part that piqued my interest in the first place. As far as I can tell the romance is just a vehicle to get SOG and Samjung to their destination... this end of the world scenario that the drama seems to have temporarily shelved to one side. In the original Journey to the West, Sun Wukong and Xuanzang had moments where they had serious falling out sometimes due to Wukong's pride and mischievousness and other times because of Xuanzang's naivete/gullibility. Of course the power of the headband would be invoked from time to time with the "Headache Sutra" to keep Wukong's propensity for violence in check. I'm also labouring under the assumption that the OG in Hwayugi has been banished to earth because he's a major upheaval elsewhere.

To add to what @bebebisous33 has said, Monkey is an extremely powerful entity with the potential to wreak a lot of havoc at will. On top of that he's a cunning trickster who really doesn't consider the consequences of his actions or his words as long as it tickles his fancy. Channelled properly, his abilities could be used do a lot of good. Hence it's the "channelling" part that's the difficulty here. How does one manage to tamper a wilful, powerful entity who destroys demons and evil spirits as easily as breathing and make him do exactly what you want? Make him fall in love... is the Korean drama answer. Obviously love doesn't immediately transform him into a saint but by forcing him to protect a woman he has strong emotions for, he will gradually get to a place where his impulse control issues will be curbed or managed. :wink: I don't think OG will ever turn into a docile pet on a leash but his wild side will be kept in check. My impression is that the geumganggo acts similarly to SWK's headband in that it keeps the wearer from going against its Master's will or bidding. But eventually even the geumganggo won't be needed because the deepening love will be its own restraint. 

 

The death bell does sound ominous but I'm inclined to think that all it means is that 

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OG will sacrifice himself willingly for SM/Samjung when the time comes

 

 

 

 

Honestly, for me I'm just along for the ride. I'm maximizing my enjoyment by not thinking too much about the ending. As long as the ending is logical and makes sense, I'm not too worried what the endgame is. (Although it's hard to see how this mostly comedic drama can end in tears) The unpredictability of the narrative is one of the highlights for me aside from this humorous, creative reimagining and recontextualization of the JttW mythos in a modern Asian city.

 

@rocat -- I feel you. :(

 

@stroppyse -- LOL. I love how "activate" has become the new euphemism for "lip service". :D

Nooooo... no more spoilers... 

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Episode 11, This is the conversation between OG and MW about the death bell and whether OG will be killed by SM.

 

 

OG: I’ve agreed to burn Bu Ja. I thought Ma Wang should know that.
MW: Sam Jang will be sad.
OG: It’s better than letting her watch her turn into an evil spirit. I want her sadness to be as short as possible, later.
MW: Seeing that you even care about Sam Jang being sad, it seems that your heart has really become very soft.
OG: Yes. If I blink, she might actually be able to kill me.
MW: Ay, how could the one and only Great Sage, Equal to Heaven be killed by any human?
OG: Why are you pretending not to know? You know about the death bell. That Secretary Ma had come and found out about it, I heard it all from the junk dealer’s grandson.
MW: So you already knew that Sam Jang had the death bell?
OG: Yes. (pulls the bell out) She says she’s already heard it ring.
MW: Then you two, that one will kill and one will be killed, you know that as well, don’t you?
OG: Since I’m wearing the geumganggo, I definitely won’t be able to kill her. Then, will she really kill me?
MW: You, surely, are not ready to die at that woman’s hands, are you?
OG: Let’s see. For me to not die, whatever I have to do, I’ll have to get rid of Sam Jang first, won’t I?
(SM and Secretary Ma come walking towards them.)
OG: The woman who might kill me is that pretty, so what can I do?  
MW: If she’s that pretty, then you have no choice. Is the Great Sage, Equal to Heaven going to die at Sam Jang’s hands?
OG: Ma Wang, don’t worry too much about me. I absolutely won’t die.
MW: I don’t worry about you. Whether you die or not.
OG: In a little while, Bu Ja is going to come by to make her last greetings. Don’t cry and show you have a weak heart.
(SM and Sec. Ma come walking up.)
OG: Secretary Dog, hi! (walking to SM) Do you know how cold it is outside that you’re not even wearing a scarf?
SM: It’s okay.
OG: Let’s go eat. (holds hands with SM and starts to walk away)
SM: Okay.

 

 

After this clip finishes, there is the scene continuation which I'm including:

 

Ma: The evil spirit has been dealt with.
MW: Son Oh Gong already knew about the death bell.
Ma: Really? And he is still dealing with Sam Jang so warmly like that?
MW: He says that he definitely won’t die. I know the Great Sage, Equal to Heaven. He is definitely going to get rid of Sam Jang first.
(OG looks to MW signalling that he shouldn’t cry. MW makes the motion back to OG.)
MW: Love? Something like that absolutely won’t be able to win over that guy.  
SM: Did something happen?
OG: No.
(OG interlocks their fingers as they continue to walk away.)

 

 

So, some things are clear in this scene. Both OG and MW know that SM has had the death bell, though OG has it now, and that SM has heard it ring. Both OG and MW also know what that means.

 

What's harder to figure out is how OG feels about it. Whether he's resigned himself in some way to dying at SM's hands, but more likely, his mind is turning furiously, trying to figure out some way out of the fate of the death bell. He reflects whether he has to take care of SM in some way first, though that is said thoughtfully as if he is testing the idea in his head and in his heart. And, then he more confidently says that he's not going to die, though whether that is his natural bravado or whether anything has actually occurred to him is also unclear.

 

What is clear, however, is that for MW, SM the human is an afterthought. Despite his words that he won't worry about OG whether he lives or dies, he's clearly not happy about OG dying and at the hands of a mere mortal.

 

What's also clear is that despite everything OG knows and thinks, he's still strongly attracted to SM, though in this scene more than ever, it's unclear how much of it is his own love and how much of it is the power of the geumganggo. Is it possible to be madly in love with the person that you think may kill you? However, it's interesting that OG doesn't seem conflicted on that point. There is no hesitation in going to SM, and in holding her hand and being with her. I like to think his confidence comes both his faith in himself to get himself out of trouble, but also his knowledge that SM who is not under any supernatural constraints does love him, as she had previously confessed and would not voluntarily take steps to kill off OG.

 

I wonder whether this last is what surprises him at the end of the episode. That SM who isn't trying to hurt him can still make him hurt so much via the geumganggo for trying to do something that she doesn't want him to.

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46 minutes ago, haymochi said:

Ep 12 text preview (wink2 someone kind please translate )

금강고로 인해 자신이 진짜 죽을 수도 있음을 알게 된 오공. 오공은 선미가 자신과 '필살'의 연이 아닌 '천생연분'으로 착각하고 있음을 알고, 선뜻 진실을 말하지 못한다. 한편, 악귀를 없앴던 나무 아래서 의문의 석관이 발견되고, 그 안에는 배신당한 신녀이자 원귀인 '아사녀'가 봉인되어 있음이 밝혀지는데...

 

-Oh Gong realized he could die because of Geum Gang Go

-Sunmi still doesn't know and still thinks it's a "fated love" bell. He can't bare to tell the truth

-something is found under the tree(?) . Someone is sealed below it(?)

 

 

 

Another translation of the text preview.

 

Oh Gong has realized that wearing the geumganggo can really kill him. However, to Seon Mi who believes that she and Oh Gong are lovers who are a match made in heaven, Oh Gong can’t tell the truth of their heaven fated relationship.

Meanwhile, beneath the tree where they vanquished an evil spirit, a suspicious sarcophagus is revealed, the betrayed lady ghost ‘Ah Sa Nyeo’ is revealed to be sealed within…

 

 

44 minutes ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

@stroppyse -- LOL. I love how "activate" has become the new euphemism for "lip service". :D

Nooooo... no more spoilers... 

 

Oops. Okay. I'll stop posting translations for now. It's just that writing the translations also helps me to point out things that I thought were interesting in the episode. :) 

 

Yes, "activation" is now the euphemism for all sorts of interesting activities. I mean he is the Monkey King after all. I doubt he has been chaste all of his life?

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Based on the preview of tonight’s episode Ah Sa Nyeo was buried beneath that tree, that tree were they found a stone coffin. In the preview, we saw Bu Ja as if nothing had happened.  Her corpse, maybe possessed by evil spirit? Come to think of it, BJ is kind by nature and grateful and know to apologize. That the old BJ isn’t vengeful but the Bu Ja that they will encounter this time is literally evil.

I’m not sure but maybe this BJ will take advantage of MaWang’s weakness,  the feeling of love and longing for Na Chal Nyeo  (there is this scene where she said “MaWang on your behalf, shall I help her?). In the preview, something is confusing, did MaWang address Ah Sa NYEO as HE? I thought the evil spirit is woman and that name is a woman’s name. 

 

Apparently, Son Oh Gong does not know who’s that Ah Sa Nyeo ( he was asking someone if by chance, know anything about that ASN)

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37 minutes ago, stroppyse said:

 

Another translation of the text preview.

 

Oh Gong has realized that wearing the geumganggo can really kill him. However, to Seon Mi who believes that she and Oh Gong are lovers who are a match made in heaven, Oh Gong can’t tell the truth of their heaven fated relationship.

Meanwhile, beneath the tree where they vanquished an evil spirit, a suspicious sarcophagus is revealed, the betrayed lady ghost ‘Ah Sa Nyeo’ is revealed to be sealed within…

 

 

 

I think this "Ah Sa Nyeo"  is the evil spirit who will possess BuJa's body in the next episode.

 

 

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Though SunMi has the Death bell right now, but I have a feeling that the Love Bell will be in the future episode and it will prove that OhGong and SunMi are truly destined lovers.

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Who is Ah Sa Nyeo btw?she is not Mawang ladylove right?

 

looks like this evil spirit really possesed cuty Buja  corpse. She is using this to manipulate OG, Mawang, and Samjang.

She also said to samjang "Unnie Oh Gonf oppa got hurt because of you right?"

 

hmmm.... i hope this bell of death will be known asap. Don't you think it's too cruel for the otp? Sunmi will be all giddy sbout this fated lovers thing while OG is in pain

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5 hours ago, stroppyse said:

OG: Why? Are you not confident that you won’t give in?
SM: Yes. I’m not confident. If you keep tempting me, then I’m totally going to give in.

 

 ZOMG

 

GIVE WHAT???

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Hwayugi: Episode 11

by girlfriday

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It’s an episode all about death, but in true Hong sisters fashion it’s an opportunity for gags, since dying means something entirely different to a bunch of monsters who live for centuries. Still, it makes them reflect on what they live for, what they leave behind, and how they choose to go, and they learn that no one is truly exempt from death… maybe even immortals.

 

http://www.dramabeans.com/2018/02/hwayugi-episode-11/

 

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I'm thinking at the end of this episode, Sunmi may find out about the death bell. She needs to know of this soon so she doesn't get deeply hurt later on. She may think all the monsters lied to her. 

 

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@stroppyse — Don’t let me stop you posting dear. :D I shouldn’t be reading them is really what I was trying to say. :wink: 

 

Really wish this show was completely preproduced so Netflix would get their subbed version out quicker. It’s hard not being able to join discussions midweek.

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Me while watching episode 11: Squeal, LOL, !!On the edge of my seat!!, Garglefarglehsifdoheksjl! WHY!?!?!!! … drinks a cup of tea and calms down. Well, I don’t want to see our beloved characters in pain, but I greatly applaud the strong story crafting that is continuing this weekend. The story is not slowing down or dragging a bit, and the twists and turns are ingenious. For now I’m going to get myself through the wait by laughing at Oh Gong’s reaction to the news article that Sun Mi was having a relationship with Ma Wang. ...And by writing a wall of text. Here goes.

 

@briseis all the best with your studying and we'll be looking forward to your return. I really learn a lot from your analyses.:)

 

23 hours ago, stroppyse said:

[...]

Anyway, according to the Korean wiki, the name General Frost became Dong Janggun (Dong is east. Janggun means general.) in Korean via an initial translation by the Japanese.

[...]

One other quick thing in reading his character description on the Korean wiki for Hwayugi, General Frost seems to a history professor at Korea University when he's not an ice cream vendor in the park. I don't remember this depicted in the drama as yet. I wonder when it will come into play, if at all.

@stroppyse Thanks for sharing about his name and for all the translations you give! I think the wikipedia page accidentally has General Frost and Kang Dae Sung (Bu Ja's murderer)'s profiles mixed together. Per the official website, other than being a presidential candidate, Kang Dae Sung's current occupation is as a history professor.

 

 

Terms in the show, round 3:

 신수 (神樹) shinsu; divine treeAlso called a shinmok (신목 神木) as well as other names, is a sacred tree or even a tree deity depending on the religion. Sacred/guardian trees, of course, come up in many different religions and lore all around the world. In the Asian stories I have seen and read featuring them, it was never a good idea to cut one down, often leading to being possessed or cursed. @enigmatic_zephy

 

Some theorizing: I don't know much yet on how shinsu function in Taoism and Chinese folk religion, which this show draws on alot, but I wonder if there will be any influence from Korean Shamanism. According to some of the Shamanistic stories, sacred trees can act as a bridge between the heavens and the human realm, but their roots can also extend to the underworld. In episode 4, Soo Bo Ri and Ma Wang spoke of Sam Jang being sent because the gates of hell may soon be opened. So... if this sacred tree not only was guarding a coffin, but also had its roots leading to the underworld, then its cutting down may truly signify the start of the coming apocalypse that Sun Mi saw in the foreseeing jar's water...

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 선녀 (仙女) sun nyeo; Taoist fairy(Naver) The sun() is the same Hanja character as in shinsun(神仙). The Summer Fairy is a sun nyeo, Ha Sun Nyeo (하선녀). The nyeo(女) character standardly means "woman" or "female", so Princess Iron Fan's akgwi name "Na Cheol Nyeo (나찰녀 羅刹女; derived from the Hindu/Buddhist Rakshasa)" should not be confused as meaning a taoist fairy. Makes one wonder what she was called when she was still a shinsun.

 

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I’m going to do some thinking while typing just to get things sorted out in my head, I will be focussing mostly on episodes 9 and 10, so I probably will repeat some ideas that others have already posted here -You all are brilliant!-.

 

How was Sun Mi's life changed by becoming Sam Jang -other than needing to prevent the apocalypse-? 

Sun Mi was born with the ability to see spirits. Because of the troublesome/dangerous situations she encountered, she developed an ominous reputation among the humans around her, and she was facing bullying at school. These things already made her unhappy and she was in need of her talisman umbrella to protect herself. The crux of the issue back then was "seeing". She had difficulty distinguishing between ghosts and humans and that got her into trouble. However, as she bragged to Ma Wang when he warned her in episode 1:

MW: "Whatever you see, whatever you hear, you must ignore it."

SM: "Okay! I do that really well."

she probably had hope that if she could just learn to ignore them well enough then she could one day pass herself off as normal.

 

Becoming Sam Jang changed that. In episode 1, the ghost teacher discovered that Sun Mi could see her, because Sun Mi responded to her. But with the power of Sam Jang in her veins, Sun Mi now attracted evil spirits to her just by existing. She had to take great care and be physically cautious in order to never bleed. Scrap your knee, get a splinter, have blood drawn? All potentially dangerous. And this probably increased the ominous happenings in her surroundings. Now it had become even harder to hope to be accepted by other humans.

 

In episode 1, the Summer Fairy explained to Oh Gong Sun Mi's longing for Oh Gong's protection in the following scene:

OG: A kiddo I knew a long time ago showed up looking much older. She made me feel uneasy.

SF: You must've done something wrong to that kiddo.
OG: Yeah. But I don't feel uneasy about the wrong thing I did at all. But she said she waited for me for 25 years.
SF: Desperately?

OG: I don't know what that is, but it concerns me very much.

SF: Desperately means something like this. (slides a glass of alcohol in front of OG)

For 25 years, because it was never allowed, you weren't able to forget about it, and you end up wanting it even more.


Sun Mi already longed for a protector before becoming Sam Jang, but after releasing Oh Gong the dangers she faced increased even more. How much more must she have wanted him? And, then to find out that not only had he reneged on their contract and abandoned her at that time, but that her increased danger was also due to having met him.

 

I think she must be aware that Ma Wang used her, but since he had warned her to ignore Oh Gong when she went to the mountain, she probably finds it pointless to express anger to him. Not to mention, betrayal or not being cared for hurts when you love someone, and she loves Oh Gong and is more like "neutral" towards Ma Wang.

 

What was the bookseller able to take? @stevii

So Sun Mi's own ghost seeing talent, Sam Jang blood, and the unfulfilled contract made her unhappy and lonely in her childhood. The bookseller took Sun Mi's childhood unhappiness, which I think is why the bookseller was able to take all three things. The GGG was begun in Sun Mi's adult life and was not part of her childhood. Still, if the GGG had been initiated with the power of Sam Jang as many of the characters first thought, then it may have gone with the Sam Jang powers. However, the GGG belongs to the human Sun Mi and is also probably not something that she subconsciously feels makes her truly unhappy even though she experiences loneliness and hurt from being in a one-side love (from her view point).

 

Red herrings when it comes to the Geumganggo @mmalouloulou

Looking back, what I remember is that the GGG shone when it was first activated. It also shone when the bookseller called Oh Gong. And Bu Ja, calls Oh Gong's bracelet a "one-to-one" connection between him and Sun Mi with which she could call him. But I think these last two are (in part) red herrings to keep us in suspense during episode 9 and 10.

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As far as I remember, whenever we saw Oh Gong hear Sun Mi call him. It always seemed to be a voice he heard in his head and the camera did not zoom in on the bracelet. I think it may in part have been Bu Ja's misunderstanding, but Oh Gong did not deny it because it is part symbolism. The bracelet was put on Oh Gong to keep him from eating Sun Mi, but it also made him (want to) honor his contract to go to her whenever she calls. In that way, it functions as a visual symbol of their contract, even though the GGG and the contract are not directly linked together.

 

Now, why am I not talking about how the bracelet makes Oh Gong share her pain? Maybe I am misremembering and need to go watch the earlier episodes in full once again, but I don't think the bracelet actually makes him capable of feeling what Sun Mi feels. We certainly know that Oh Gong cannot feel everything that Sun Mi does, otherwise he wouldn't have wanted Bu Ja to tell him what Sun Mi thinks about/feels towards him in episode 9. The phrase "your pain is my pain" has been coming up a lot, but I think that is more in the metaphorical sense. Because he loves her, he will feel pain too/along with her whenever she is hurt or in danger, but it is not her pain being transmitted into his heart. Does that make sense? In episode 4, Oh Gong asked Ma Wang why he should be hurt if Sun Mi is in pain, and Ma Wang's, albeit mocking answer, was that Oh Gong is in love with Sun Mi, not that the bracelet is transmitting her pain to him.

This is also, then, part of the reason why in episode 10, Oh Gong did not notice that Sun Mi was hurting too each time they spoke.

 

So, what was up with the GGG flashing at the time the bookseller called him? I think it must have just been coincidental. Perhaps the bookseller called Oh Gong as soon as she gained full control of the contract, but the GGG flashed in reaction to a great change in Sun Mi's state of being. To reiterate, though the GGG does not transmit her emotions to Oh Gong, it does react to her strong emotions and state of being. Part of Sun Mi was being ripped away, and while the GGG remained with the main part that stayed, it had to readjust itself.

The reaction to her strong emotion in episode 11, is quite scary, though. I agree that Sun Mi wanted to stop Oh Gong to protect him from the consequences of killing those humans and losing himself in his anger, but the fact that the GGG can emit black, negative energy is worrisome... What if Sun Mi tries to remove it, but finds that it won't come off...

 

How did Ma Wang learn the activation method for the GGG?

So, episode 10 led us to believe that Ma Wang learned of Sun Mi kissing Oh Gong to activate the GGG from the Summer Fairy, but how was that possible? The Winter General stayed awake the whole episode in order to not leave the little ghost girl alone, right?

 

Oh Gong's contrasts and sincerity

There were a number of contrasts concerning Oh Gong that they showed us in episode 10 compared to the earlier episodes. Oh Gong had thought (pre-GGG) that he could not eat Sun Mi because of the contract he had with her, but that seems to have been naught but an excuse he deluded himself with at the time. Oh, he was cruel, indeed, to her emotionally but he could not bring himself to harm her physically. However, as a self-proclaimed "extremely bad guy", he was able to beat up the bookseller despite the contract.

 

He used to frequently ask why he should care or why he should feel pain concerning Sun Mi, because his inner self as well as his logical mind could not accept the emotions he felt, but since episode 6, he has gradually stopped saying and admitting that his feelings towards Sun Mi are fake. Quite the opposite, in episode 10, he told Sa Oh Jeong that he would use sincerity to convince Ma Wang to let him go. And that sincerity was speaking about his love for Sun Mi, not in complaint, anger, and un-acceptance of his emotions but in focussing on her wishes. Though he knew that speaking of love would get through to Ma Wang, I don't think he was pretending. If that was his tactic, he would have said as much to Sa Oh Jeong from the start, and not just pass it off later by saying that Ma Wang is weak to love.

 

In the middle of episode 11 when things have calmed down and the two are no longer in a "time is of the essence", need-to-act-fast mode, both he and Sun Mi take a half-step back into doubt again about themselves if they were to be without the GGG. Now that Oh Gong has been physically hurt by the GGG, on whatever path the writers take to grow his character past that event, I think he will continue to discover his love for Sun Mi more in the coming episodes. His great challenge then may be to get Sun Mi to see his sincerity after all the reminders of fakeness that he gave her. It can be easier to get someone to believe your rejection of them than to believe your acceptance of them, even if you don't have a magical object in the mix.

 

Several posters have written about one of Sun Mi's purposes as Sam Jang may be to bring Oh Gong back to a good path again, so that he will return to being a shinsun. In light of that it is very interesting that (belief of) sincerity is one of their obstacles to overcome, since in episode 1, Oh Gong told Soo Bo Ri as argument that he should be reinstated in the heavens, "I spend my time sincerely."

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Sun Mi isn't carrying her umbrella!

There have been some great posts on here about Sun Mi's journey of self-acceptance and accepting Oh Gong as her protector in episodes 9-10. One thing that underlines her step closer to relying on Oh Gong is that she was not carrying her umbrella the whole of episode 11!

 

 

Orpheus and Eurydice or could it be the Cowherd and the Weaver?

I think the Orpheus and Eurydice theories are fascinating (Thank you! @jinsunmi and @Benocciola). I wonder if maybe the Asian legend of the Cowherd and the Weaver is also a possibility? The Lyra constellation was shown behind Sun Mi. The brightest star in that constellation is Vega which represents the Weaver Girl, named Jing Nyeo in Korean. It's not a legend with a blissful ending, but death is not the obstacle. This article tells the Korean version.

Probably not related, but I find it interesting that both the Cowherd and the Weaver Girl and scenes from Journey to the West are painted in the Long Corridor of the Summer Palace in Beijing.

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@Zelda thanks!! Great explanations! Really appreciate you taking the time!

 

Back to my question on the "rank" of SOG, I understand the different levels & types of monsters/demons. Maybe what I am not clear about is if SOG has been expelled from spiritual realm does he lose his deity status? 

 

Anyway  the "key benefit" as a deity I have seen so far (pls pardon my ignorance!) is the power to decide who lives, who dies and who gets played out. The gods mete out punishments and so far I've not seen any rewards. I hope they will reward OTP someday.  

 

I supposed if I was SOG I would want to become a deity so that I won't have to be subjected to the whims of the gods. 

 

By the way several posters point out that maybe SM needed to be the one guiding SOG to the path of righteousness. I love that idea and I think it's possibility. But I'm beginning to think that this Love story may have a sad ending. :bawling:

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I also have a theory about the death bell :

maybe the reason only SM could hear it ring was because the bell is warning the victim. Not the one who will kill.

(as you can see I'm still standing by the belief that SM will be killed and not OG. Why? Because seing the one he loves die is the greatest punishment)

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4 hours ago, stroppyse said:

 

Yes, "activation" is now the euphemism for all sorts of interesting activities. I mean he is the Monkey King after all. I doubt he has been chaste all of his life?

 

LOL. I think I just understood that comment after watching the first couple of minutes of Ep. 11 with Chinese subs. (Desperate times call for desperate measures)

I loved how he demanded that she take responsibility for activating him. :lol: And poor Monkey is sitting in Waterfall Cave wondering when she's going to call him... at a loss regarding what to do now that he's been activated. Hehe.

I suggest a cold shower. Standing under the waterfall could work too.

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This drama is very consistent at one point.. wait 3 days (maximum) for you to enjoy the weekly episodes with English sub :expressionless:

Any suggestions regarding last night episode. I was looking for the sub.

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1 hour ago, dubuqueen said:

I also have a theory about the death bell :

maybe the reason only SM could hear it ring was because the bell is warning the victim. Not the one who will kill.

(as you can see I'm still standing by the belief that SM will be killed and not OG. Why? Because seing the one he loves die is the greatest punishment)

but son oh gong also heard the bell when he picked it up and sun mi was making the tea..

 

whoever holds it hears it..

 

with grim reapers  those guys are already dead..so the alive dies..

 

here..both are mortal..deity yes..but alive..so i guess.. it works both ways.. either will kill or can kill

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