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6 hours ago, justamom said:

 

Haha! I'm not Christian, is it rude to question a pastor like that? :ph34r:

 

They may still be married. But their marriage is beyond irrecoverable. (That's the basis of my fanfic as well)

 

@Joseph Lim Thanks!! I believe that's how she was able to convey Lee Ji An with so much emotional depth. You can see the sorrow in the depths of her soul in those scenes.

 

 

lol You were so polite!!! Maybe because I'm Christian I will feel myself freeler to be more "rude" lol. 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, justamom said:

 

She needs to come and hang out here!

 

Can someone enlighten me, since when was Jung Hee married to Sang Woo? I only remembered her being referred to as his lover. Another case of bad subs??

@justamom  Married a....MONK!!!  That would be quite something!  hahaha

 

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@justamom probably misunderstood the subs. Even the “official” DF subs that are available in all sites say that Jung Hee was once Sang Won’s lover and bride.  Bride, not wife. So the blogger might have missed that one.  

 

She seems very disappointed with the open ending.  I do understand how she feels because when I first saw that while watching it livestreaming, I had PM&I deja vu and felt so bad.  I had to pull back and re-examine the whole scene in the context of the whole story and the way its plot was developed all throughout before I could convince myself that things aren’t as bad as they seem and such an ending is in keeping with the way the whole story played out.  But there’s still a little part of me that wishes the writer and director gave a more definitive hint on where this story is supposed to go.  And I guess what made it worse for this blogger and other viewers was the fact that Yoon Hee still appeared in the photos on Dong Hoon’s desk as CEO. And of course, the lousy translations of his lines at the cafe. And that sort of sad look he had on his face when he turned back to look at Ji An. In all honesty, there were ambiguities in the way the story was told that could make the story go either way and it would still be within its context.  Again, I give credit to the genius of the writing in that the story essentially leaves it to the viewer to make his or her own conclusions, but this can sometimes make for some frustrated viewers. :)""""
 

This reader says:  The reason there is open ending in Korean drama is because: 1) the writer does not want to offend anyone, what ever their thought or prejudice AND 2) the audience doesn't mind not knowing for sure what is a conclusion.  In the occidental world, patience is generally not a virtue... we want a quick simple answer, for good or bad.  in the oriental world, ambiguity is acceptable.

 

Look at the way Japanese and Korean business people negotiate.  They first go out with each other and drink, then after a while a business relationship is made, ...THEN and only then will they start talking about business.    One become friends first then business partner.  At the ending, Engineer Dong Hoon could have been chatting with one of his client when he was interrupted by a strange girl in pony tail who was buying  coffee!

 

In the occidental world, people introduce, shake hand and dive into the business.   One become business partners then may be friends later

 

This tendency to delay gratification, indirectness is interesting... not sure why it is like that?  Is it because of generations of hardships that people in the East went through?   But the occidental in previous centuries lived in difficulty also.... so this reader is not sure.

 

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Almost two weeks after the finale and we still got so much to share with each other. But one thing I don't like is how much confusion the status of DH's marriage left for some of us.

I'll agree with the fact that no matter how much I dislike, no one can be sure if DH and YH actually divorced, but I can still argue about its high possibility.

1. YH knows about how much DH cares for JA and that their relationship is of a special kind. Now, she might feel guilty about her infidelity and out of guilt decide to carry on their marriage, BUT YH is quite a selfish person in nature. She already wrote the marriage off while blindly pursuing her own happiness. I don't think she would actually choose to stay with DH after knowing that DH might have someone more special in his life. Even more, she might have used JA's presence as an excuse to push DH into exiting their marriage

2. YH and DH's marriage was toxic in nature for both sides. The drama is not on redemption as some pointed out. It's about getting rid of all the unnecessary burdens, people and feelings in your life and becoming a better person/seeing life in a new light. In order to heal, both YH and DH needed to cut off their marriage and start life anew. And start they did: YH moves to states and pursues her career, while DH quits his job and starts his own company. Both of them remain as good friends because that's how DH is, he no longer wishes to have more people in his life who he would meet on streets and wouldn't want to say hello. Moreover I don't see how they miraculously repair their marriage, it's not like they married two days ago. Their marriage has been going on for 15 years and if YH's words and some flashbacks indicate it wasn't really a happy one.

3. THE SKINSHIP. No matter how platonic his feelings might be as some would like to think, DH doesn't initiate skinship. Married DH wouldn't have asked JA for a handshake. He is a morally upright person and while in marriage wouldn't go around having 30 seconds long handshakes with young girls and leaving his fingerprints on them.

4. New beggings - we pretty much see all the main characters doing differently and starting over. New life = new relationships, new jobs, new outlook on life. Theoritically speaking, there is no place of their marriage in DH and YH's lives any longer

 

That is all for now, I might easly find few more arguments about why DH and YH probably divorced and no longer remain in matrimony, but I'll leave it to these 4 main ones, I think are the most important to take into consideration. 

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@anipanch Great post! Like you said and some others said previously nothing was shown from which we can derive the conclusion that the couple reconciled. If anything, the gradual course of events only leads to their separation and dong hoon's new beginning. We can argue in our head about dong hoon's feelings fro Ji An, or where it will lead to, but I am quite sure about the fact that Yoon Hee and dong hoon are not going for a second start. 

Also like so many of us have stressed on the fact, I can't think anyone else apart from Ji An making this much impact on dong hoon, so I can't imagine him being happy with someone else. Plus like we know there was never any temptation until now which would make him falter. 

Ji An has already confessed verbally in front of dong hoon, JY, and Yoon Hee that she likes him. She even hissed at JY for ridiculing her love. So I don't think she would ever hesitate to go out with him. 

I know it is frustrating that we never got to see how dong hoon felt for Ji An, but tbh he has been a married man for the whole course of the show, and also the writer[ even the actors] had to face the pressure from the Korean audience, so the writer deliberately kept his feelings more focused on expressions rather than saying things out loud. Most importantly I think dong hoon will rather have deep meaningful conversations with her than having an affair with a pretty model like lady lol. She is his soulmate and vice versa. Noone except her can evoke that much emotion in him so I don't think anyone else is an option here. They are supposed to stay together either married or not, but they will grow old in that neighborhood with the friends and family. So at this point I have no problem envisioning that he will be together with her in some distant future. I don't know. :S Maybe we are supposed to read between the lines and rely on their expressions rather than what they say. 

 

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Do the songwriters decide on the songs based on the progression of the events? The lyrics of the last ost called Forest when dong hoon and Ji An are meeting is quite interesting and such a positive one too.

 

Maybe it’s hard to bear it.
It may be too painful.

Too much to cover
It’s time to cut the tree of pain now.

It will be a tree that sprouts will grow.
The wind blows and you can lean against it
Heavy shoulder strapped down
I can not help it now.
It’s not your fault.

Maybe I’m afraid.
May the tree of pain grow again

It will be a tree that sprouts will grow.
The wind blows and you can lean against it
Heavy shoulder strapped down
I can not help it now.
It’s not your fault.

The trees will grow and become your forest.
The wind blows and you can run all the way
Heavy shoulder stools are left to throw
Now you can just laugh.
Yes, this is your forest.

 

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Was re-watching the clip in Episode 16 when Dong Hoon was driving Ji An back from visiting her grandmother.  She was sitting at the back of the car and watching him drive.  She was focused on how one hand lightly held the steering wheel while the other was just resting on his thigh and she commented on how he was a totally different person when he drives, which I take to mean that he’s more confident and relaxed.  It drove home to me again that her awareness of him is so acute it’s almost preternatural.  

 

Suddenly occurred to me that when Park Dong hoon dies, Lee Ji An will feel it wherever she may be, even if they’re far apart.  (sorry for the morbid thought :) ).

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Just saw this comment on YT at the tvN clip of last scene:

 

Dong-hoon and his wife are separated and live in different countries. They're as good as divorced. Whether or not they are legally divorced is irrelevant, because their relationship as lovers has 100% ended. They still keep in touch, but only as the parents of their child, nothing more. Dong-hoon even refers to her as "my kid's mom" now instead of "wife". Throughout the drama, the two things that were making him unhappy were his marriage and his job. He finally gained freedom from both and found personal happiness. Dong-hoon is 100% single now.
 
Just because this drama isn't a romance GENRE drama doesn't mean that it doesn't have love. This drama has tons of love, all kinds of love, just not necessarily romance. In the end, Ji-an is still deeply in love with Dong-hoon. In return, Dong-hoon (who is no longer chained by unhappiness) offers his hand to Ji-an which signals the beginning of a new relationship. It also shows that he sees her as an adult. But most importantly it means that Dong-hoon opened up to Ji-an. Ji-an realized it immediately which is why she brightened up and promised to buy him a meal and call him. By holding hands, Dong-hoon and Ji-an reconnected. They reentered each other's lives and none of the barriers that existed before exist anymore. Unless you're a strict literalist who refuses to read between the lines and chooses to ignore all the signs and clues given throughout the drama, you can envision what will happen next between Dong-hoon and Ji-an.
 
 
Even though I'm still having a hard time reconciling the bread crumbs (for and against) thrown by the writer in the last episode regarding DH's personal life status and his stance and nature of feelings towards Ji-An (I think he thinks of her only as his non-monk female best friend, but would anyone else look at his female non-monk best friend, checking out her face all over, like he does in the last scene??), I'll accept the comment above, just for my peace of mind! 
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15 minutes ago, nearsea said:

@anipanch Great post! Like you said and some others said previously nothing was shown from which we can derive the conclusion that the couple reconciled. If anything, the gradual course of events only leads to their separation and dong hoon's new beginning. We can argue in our head about dong hoon's feelings fro Ji An, or where it will lead to, but I am quite sure about the fact that Yoon Hee and dong hoon are not going for a second start. 

Also like so many of us have stressed on the fact, I can't think anyone else apart from Ji An making this much impact on dong hoon, so I can't imagine him being happy with someone else. Plus like we know there was never any temptation until now which would make him falter. 

Ji An has already confessed verbally in front of dong hoon, JY, and Yoon Hee that she likes him. She even hissed at JY for ridiculing her love. So I don't think she would ever hesitate to go out with him. 

I know it is frustrating that we never got to see how dong hoon felt for Ji An, but tbh he has been a married man for the whole course of the show, and also the writer[ even the actors] had to face the pressure from the Korean audience, so the writer deliberately kept his feelings more focused on expressions rather than saying things out loud. Most importantly I think dong hoon will rather have deep meaningful conversations with her than having an affair with a pretty model like lady lol. She is his soulmate and vice versa. Noone except her can evoke that much emotion in him so I don't think anyone else is an option here. They are supposed to stay together either married or not, but they will grow old in that neighborhood with the friends and family. So at this point I have no problem envisioning that he will be together with her in some distant future. I don't know. :S Maybe we are supposed to read between the lines and rely on their expressions rather than what they say. 

 

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Do the songwriters decide on the songs based on the progression of the events? The lyrics of the last ost called Forest when dong hoon and Ji An are meeting is quite interesting and such a positive one too.

 

Maybe it’s hard to bear it.
It may be too painful.

Too much to cover
It’s time to cut the tree of pain now.

It will be a tree that sprouts will grow.
The wind blows and you can lean against it
Heavy shoulder strapped down
I can not help it now.
It’s not your fault.

Maybe I’m afraid.
May the tree of pain grow again

It will be a tree that sprouts will grow.
The wind blows and you can lean against it
Heavy shoulder strapped down
I can not help it now.
It’s not your fault.

The trees will grow and become your forest.
The wind blows and you can run all the way
Heavy shoulder stools are left to throw
Now you can just laugh.
Yes, this is your forest.

 

I agree with you! Just looking at the last scene, there were long seconds where they just stood looking at each other. Their eyes were doing the talking. 

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Here’s some footage of the MA parody. It looks like they are making fun of the wiretapping and even playing the OST. :lol:

 

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7 hours ago, anipanch said:

Almost two weeks after the finale and we still got so much to share with each other. But one thing I don't like is how much confusion the status of DH's marriage left for some of us.

I'll agree with the fact that no matter how much I dislike, no one can be sure if DH and YH actually divorced, but I can still argue about its high possibility.

1. YH knows about how much DH cares for JA and that their relationship is of a special kind. Now, she might feel guilty about her infidelity and out of guilt decide to carry on their marriage, BUT YH is quite a selfish person in nature. She already wrote the marriage off while blindly pursuing her own happiness. I don't think she would actually choose to stay with DH after knowing that DH might have someone more special in his life. Even more, she might have used JA's presence as an excuse to push DH into exiting their marriage

2. YH and DH's marriage was toxic in nature for both sides. The drama is not on redemption as some pointed out. It's about getting rid of all the unnecessary burdens, people and feelings in your life and becoming a better person/seeing life in a new light. In order to heal, both YH and DH needed to cut off their marriage and start life anew. And start they did: YH moves to states and pursues her career, while DH quits his job and starts his own company. Both of them remain as good friends because that's how DH is, he no longer wishes to have more people in his life who he would meet on streets and wouldn't want to say hello. Moreover I don't see how they miraculously repair their marriage, it's not like they married two days ago. Their marriage has been going on for 15 minutes and if YH's words and some flashbacks indicate it wasn't really a happy one.

3. THE SKINSHIP. No matter how platonic his feelings might be as some would like to think, DH doesn't initiate skinship. Married DH wouldn't have asked JA for a handshake. He is a morally upright person and while in marriage wouldn't go around having 30 seconds long handshakes with young girls and leaving his fingerprints on them.

4. New beggings - we pretty much see all the main characters doing differently and starting over. New life = new relationships, new jobs, new outlook on life. Theoritically speaking, there is no place of their marriage in DH and YH's lives any longer

 

That is all for now, I might easly find few more arguments about why DH and YH probably divorced and no longer remain in matrimony, but I'll leave it to these 4 main ones, I think are the most important to take into consideration. 

@anipanch @nearsea  you both agree that that stale marriage is gone... whether the divorce is finalized or not...and that the bond between Ajusshi and Ji-an was and is very strong and unique (for them).

 

To continue with anipanch analysis as to why the marriage is gone:

 

5) Ajusshi's behaviors.  His desperation when he could not contact Ji-an, his pretense standing outside the caffee scanning the neighborhood in case she walks by, his acceptance in eating with her which he won't do with any other female (saved mother and wife), his running when he heard that she was hurt (this reader has never seen him running so hard, or with such grim concern on his face).  he is generally a person who does not show emotion,....but because of Ji-an he shows so much on his face, with his actions.... and time jump, he seems to feel the same for her....the wide grin on his face and he looks sideway when she offers to buy him food tells everything.  They won't be apart (romance or otherwise).

 

Many soompians mention his melancholy as he walks away at the end, and interpret this as a sign of their impending re-re-re-separation.  He was smiling thinking that he has found his Ji-an again, and is delighted that she has not changed and that she has mature, then thinking back to all the hardships they had gone through together, brings back some sadness,....but THE PAIR walk away confidently, knowing there is a tomorrow (or that evening as @MsMinnieFran would say).... the spaceman/woman will get to go back to his star (finding his heart).

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4 hours ago, ann04 said:

I agree with you! Just looking at the last scene, there were long seconds where they just stood looking at each other. Their eyes were doing the talking. 

 

In ep 2 or 3, in the subway DH asked JA how she knew that he received a bribe. JA answered "how can I not know when we looked each other in the eyes." And how his body was stiffly covering his cabinet. Well, DH did look guilty even to me. But, JA's answer seem to establish early on that she can read him even if he doesnt speak. And he knows it. So taking that thought all the way to episode 16, even if he didnt say anything while holding her hand, maybe she read something in his eyes that prompted her to offer a meal and that encouraged her enough to even add that she'll call. :)

 

And about the issue of marriage, I dont think DH and YH will live together again after all that. If you watch early episodes you will also feel suffocated by how disconnected these two are. DH just cant respond to her by more than a few syllables. He just doesnt communicate with her. And of course YH betrayed him not just by sleeping with another man but worse knowingly with another man who tried to destroy him. [Edit: In ep 7, in the campsite DH asked the CEO 2 things: did the affair start in Spring, did YH know about the 50million won used to frame him. Those questions are meant to establish how long the betrayal has been and to what extent it has gotten. Which we know is so much worse that a one night impulsive affair which arguably is easier to forgive.]

 

In any case, when two people connect, in the truest and deepest sense of the word, what does marriage have anything to do with it? Why do we have to put a label to it just to validate that it's a connection that will last? =) and conversely, when two people like YH and DH, do not connect in their core, in its truest and deepest sense, does being married mean anything at all? =) i am a shipper. But i can now forgive the author for leaving it open because afterall she has clearly established what matters in this love story. Deep and unquestionable connection =)

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5 minutes ago, kdramafanlsk said:

 

In ep 2 or 3, in the subway DH asked JA how she knew that he received a bribe. JA answered "how can I not know when we looked each other in the eyes." And how his body was stiffly covering his cabinet. Well, DH did look guilty even to me. But, JA's answer seem to establish early on that she can read him even if he doesnt speak. And he knows it. So taking that thought all the way to episode 16, even if he didnt say anything while holding her hand, maybe she read something in his eyes that prompted her to offer a meal and that encouraged her enough to even add that she'll call. :)

Yes she was definitely faltering at first when her colleagues called her. But after DH initiated the handshake, its as if she received confirmation and gained confidence to take a step forward. I loved the look in her eyes whilst looking at him. She was conveying so much with those eyes

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I felt that from the start it was likely going to be an open ending. My only fear back then was what if JA died somehow (cue that last car scene) I am quite okay with the ending - it was expected, lightly bittersweet with a glimpse of hope and what the future might bring.

 

The kinda future that I wanna peek into and I do that by reading fanfics. *lol*

 

The worst open ending I have personally ever watched was Big. It's been so many years. And I still feel the sting. Gah.

 

I'm having a hard time moving on from MA too. I tried watching other kdramas, but the moment the male lead walks in and gets introduced as the chairman of the company, or like maybe the son of the chairman of the company, or some genius I immediately rolled my eyes and go "Pfft yet another chaebol/genius!" Or when they suddenly hug each other to prevent mishaps and cue the slo-mo and music. I rolled my eyes even before I can catch myself rolling my eyes.

 

I will try to ease myself back to lighter dramas.. slooooowly.

 

The other shows that I'm watching now are Stranger Things and a jdrama comedy called Ossan's love, literally "Uncle's love" i think. 

 

1 korean mister serious drama, 1 japanese mister BL drama/comedy.

 

On another note, I got my mom to watch this! *yay me* She enjoyed it!

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, sadiesmith said:

 

Please post.  I am really curious if a strong case can be made for reconciliation of that marriage without ignoring all the little details planted by the director.

@sadiesmith  You ASKED FOR IT SO YOU SHALL RECEIVE... there is an ending where by the marriage is salvaged, and the husband and wife will be together again... albeit painfully.  this reader is not sure if you want to see this ending.  It is quite morbid and is derived from a recent very successful Korean Movie about railway.

 

WARNING:  Don't read the hidden scenario.... NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and sad!!!

 

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WARNING:  Don't read the scenario.... NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


2 years has gone by and Lawyer Kang Yoon Hee has become a successful american Lawyer and now has an american boyfriend who has accepted her and son.
she has decided to go back to Korea to serve Engineer Dong Hoon the divorce document.  Accompanying her is son who for some strange reason want to stay in Korea with his father, despite the threat that he may be drafted into the Korean Military.  She frets over him and argued with him, but the child is adamant... He wants to live with his father (wonder why?)

 

After flying to Seoul, they meet Engineer Dong Hoon who is now a successful CEO of a small engineering firm.  They smile and chat politely, but with son's
presence, she could not serve his the paper.  Then the mother-son go back to the hotel and Lawyer Yoon Hee told Engineer they will need to meet to discuss some matter.  The teenager's face twisted with disgust, and he started to text on the phone with some of his friends.

 

engineer Dong Hoon drives back to his office, a bit pensive, thinking about what just happened.  He also want a private conversation with his separated wife.  He was thinking about serving her some papers but is not sure how to do that.  At the office, he greets his musketeers warmly as they are leaving (since it is now 9 pm) and went to his office and close the blinds, deep in thought.

 

Shortly after, knock knock, his secretary comes in, a petite energetic young woman in neat plain white blouse, blue pant with simple high heel, pony tail swinging, a stack of reports in her arms.  She puts the reports on his desk as he looks up, then unceremoniously turns his chair sideway and deposits herself in his lap, with her arms around his neck. She asked smiling mischieviously:  "How was your conversation with YOUR WIFE? Did you two come to term?" 

 

Flustered, Engineer glances at the door, then relax as everyone has left, then hugs his secretary, rocking her back and forth and said: "My son was present, so we did not have a chance to discuss that matter, but I promise to resolve it tomorrow."
The young woman then said softly "I hope he won't be too upset".
Engineer replies to her ear: "He is old enough now... sigh... he should understand".

 

Next morning, he drives to the hotel where his wife-son are staying. His son goes down stair to get some icecream while the adults discuss the matter frankly.  Before Engineer can say anything, his wife pulls out some neatly types paper and asks him to sign, saying that she needs to be free of him, since she is thinking about forming a new family in America. She tells him that she has met a nice Lawyer, and they click right away, and she is thinking about restarting a new life.
A bit surprised, but greatly relieved, he glances at the documents, then signs at the bottom and says that they will be forever friends, with their goal of making their son happy.  She nods her head gravely.

 

Just then, there was some heavy explosions outside that shakes the hotel, and the glass window vibrating violently and cracks.   They cautiously go to the empty pane and see panic in the street as well as smokes and chaos, as people down there seem to run back and forth.

 

confused, they decide to go down to find out, when there is some scratching on the door.  opening it, they see junior, now grotessly deformed with saliva hanging out his wide opened mouth, his eyes wide opened and mad, his hands clenched into claws. He charged them growling, trying to attack them, to bite them.  Quick thinking Engineer, push the child to the side, and quickly pull the blanket off the bed and throw it over him, then tackles him to the ground, struggling inside the blanket, making unintelligible sound, like a wolverine.

 

He shouts at his wife to quickly get the electrical cord.. any electrical cord.  She pulls the standing lamp cord and comes to the struggling pair, and per his instruction, tie up the child.  She then goes and get her hair blower and use that also to tie up the child.  They then pull off the bedsheet and cover the child some more.  Finally, engineer was able to free himself temporarily and get his masking tapes (he's an engineer and always carry them) and wrap up the struggling child like a cocoon.  They then dragged the struggling child into the bathroom and close the door.

 

Finally, breathing heavily, all disheveled, they stare at each other in shock, while hearing screaming in the hall way, as the guests were running to and fro being attacked by some unknown creatures who growls instead of speaking.

 

Ajusshi eyes suddenly opened wide, and he quickly call his pretty secretary, who did not answer.  He frantically dials again and again.. until finally after the 5th trial she answers in a weak voice: "I am not sure what is happening, but Assistant Manger Kim went crazy and attacked me... He was all changed and is not even human when he came into the office.
He attacked the secretary and the other engineers.  I tried to intervene and he bit me.  I am now locked in your office with them all going crazy outside.... I feel strange and weak, as if I am not myself any...more.   Ah..jusshi, I think I am dying....pleas..e be safe, and don't worry about this ....girl!"

 

The cell phone goes dead, and no matter how many times he call, there was no answer.   Ajusshi face is blanked in shock, then slowly his face becomes distorted as tears runs out of his eyes and noses. He cried heart broken like he hasn't since 2018, crumping to the floor, while his distraught, crying wife seats nearby on the carpet....her attempt to call the United States has failed, the TV stations showing disturbances throughout the world, even in America....and that so far the south west part of Korea near Pusan is still peaceful.

 

Finally, gathering himself again, since after all he is an Engineer, he wipes his eyes and noses with his hand. He walks wearily to the desk, takes the divorce papers that he signed hours ago, and tears them up and calmly says to Lawyer Yoon Hee: "Well, I guess you and I are fated to be together. Are you with me...we are going to Pusan!!"


She nods, with tears in her eyes.

Then THE RELUCTANT PAIR pick up the lamp post and a chair, and open the door......

 

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4 hours ago, anipanch said:

That is all for now, I might easly find few more arguments about why DH and YH probably divorced and no longer remain in matrimony, but I'll leave it to these 4 main ones, I think are the most important to take into consideration. 

 

Agree with all your points. For me, they have at least separated. I think the strongest argument for people who think DH & YH are still together is the photos in his office.

 

DH once wondered what kinda man would he be when he's left with nothing (i.e. marriage breaks down)? Would he toss YH to the side? Would he pretend she doesn't exist? No, he wouldn't. 

 

As much as he's changed, DH remains his true self. And for him, YH has and will always be family, even if she's failed to see that. How does the new, more open DH deal with the subject of YH when his entire team knows of her affair and move to US? He places her photos in his office, clear for all to see, and mentions her when talking to a friend (not a close one at that, since he doesn't even know JS is in US). It wasn't a big deal, I still consider her family. 

 

As many have mentioned, the show never attempted to fix his marriage save for what, 1 impromptu family dinner and 1 heart to heart? Might I add that SH had to persuade DH to come to said dinner. If you recall, DH was meant to have dinner with his team + JA  :glasses:

 

In contrast, DH is constantly shown to want to fix his relationship with JA. When JA ignored him in front of JH's bar, he seemed disturbed. Enough for him to ask CD about her situation and beat up GI. JA ignored him again before her confession, leading him to ask JA: "Why are you ignoring me again? Why are you mad? What? What is it now?"

 

Isn't this FRIGGIN INTERESTING? Gee DH, what do you mean what is it now? So you kinda had a feeling you hurt her feelings before by declining to buy her food?? But... but... she didn't say anything! Dunno bout you, but sounds like lovers' quarrel to me....  

 

11 hours ago, justamom said:

 

She needs to come and hang out here!

 

Can someone enlighten me, since when was Jung Hee married to Sang Woo? I only remembered her being referred to as his lover. Another case of bad subs??

 

I think I saw at least one sub that said leave my bride/ my bride to be? Said by the monk as he walked around the neighbourhood. 

 

4 hours ago, nearsea said:

@anipanchMaybe we are supposed to read between the lines and rely on their expressions rather than what they say. 

 

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Do the songwriters decide on the songs based on the progression of the events? The lyrics of the last ost called Forest when dong hoon and Ji An are meeting is quite interesting and such a positive one too.

 

 

 

I think we need to do both, because DH and JA are two different people. For DH, it's all about his expressions. For JA, it's her words. 

 

I've been meaning to look at song choice for key scenes, but haven't really had the time to. Thought it was interesting that the song An Ordinary Day was used to imply DH's feelings for JA >> as he stared at her from inside the van, as he walked up from his seat to call JA after finding the slippers in his drawer, as he confesses to JA. 

 

Part of the lyrics: 
 

Spoiler

 

I’m alright
Telling myself it’ll pass
As I cover up the past

As it builds up, I get used to it
Days I can’t turn back easily

I forgot about the beginning
And I kept getting farther away
That’s why I couldn’t tell you
So another ordinary day passes

 

 

3 hours ago, akhenaten said:

Was re-watching the clip in Episode 16 when Dong Hoon was driving Ji An back from visiting her grandmother.  She was sitting at the back of the car and watching him drive.  She was focused on how one hand lightly held the steering wheel while the other was just resting on his thigh and she commented on how he was a totally different person when he drives, which I take to mean that he’s more confident and relaxed.  It drove home to me again that her awareness of him is so acute it’s almost preternatural.  

 

Suddenly occurred to me that when Park Dong hoon dies, Lee Ji An will feel it wherever she may be, even if they’re far apart.  (sorry for the morbid thought :) ).

 

I'm afraid this entire scene was to support the product placement, i.e. the car.

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23 hours ago, ann04 said:

I would’ve also seen the end as the start of them two together but looking back at the earlier posts (the presscon, dealing with controversies). They firmly stated that it isnt romance (even LSK’s friend said that to defend him because of people bashing him). I rewatched the last two episodes - still not over it!!! I really tried to see it without the romance bit and watched it for “what it is” but there’s just some scenes that don’t make sense if all whatever’s between them is just a platonic relationship. Especially with the way Jian looked at DH at the ending with so much longing and DH getting all excited. And ofcourse no need to mention that ‘handshake’. Im so conflicted! Haha. But whether or not they subtly meant for the ending to show that theyll be together romantically or not, it still doesn’t take away the fact that MA is an amazing story. It’s still a love story between Jian and DH, regardless of what kind of love that is. I wouldn’t call it fatherly love though, seeing that handshake and the way he was so giddy at the end.

 

I feel like people can’t really say he is fatherly towards her, non-shippers included. It’s lovely rewatching it again, catchig on things that youd have missed thhe first time. It also makes you wonder if how you understood each scenes at first is how theyre actually meant to be understood. 

And to follow up on the traffic lights, when Jian was shown walking up to Saman building, you can notice how the orange light went on a lot longer than it should. And also there was a car driving down her direction but at the next second, you could see a different car driving up the opposite direction of the road. I think this was deliberate

I have moved on from this drama (watching My Husband Oh Jak Doo, very light weight compared to this but the chemistry is agonizingly wonderful).  I think you said quite a lot here, that is so true about this drama.  And the conflict you feel, we all feel is what the characters must feel too and that I think is intentional.   I think the monk story is the allegory - she continues to love him but he has to seek his path.   There is guilt, tension, but then the monk returns and apologizes to Jung Hee .  For some reason we are left hanging there, he wants Jung Hee to live happily.  Does that really release her from her attachment?  She seems well enough when we see her later on, but she has been agonizing over this guy for 20 years (or is it 15?).   So Ji An clearly loves her mister, and I have no doubt he was attracted to her, but he has these high standards, he is a purist, ethical in all things. The one time we see him slip was when he put the bribe money in the drawer in this desk, instead of the reporting it immediately.  And that slip - locked him into a karmic knot with Jian.   Of what way to go.  Before this he had watched her a lot. I think he was interested in her, he hired her because on her application she was so honest, and said she liked to run, to transcend her ordinary life filled with stress and suffering, and release her mind/heart.     That is something DH related to, understood. The mystic in him the person who can transcend his mundane existence.   He knew there was something special about her.  He was fascinated, and yes, attracted. But it was not just that she was cute.    So there is this conflict I think between what he sees has his desire, and his duty to live a moral life.  He needed to get Jian on track, release her from any dependency on him, that may make her cling to him for the wrong reasons.  She needs to be a free woman at least.   So perhaps there is hope they will be together.  But I think the writer just wants things to be left like that.   She  really wrote a story expressing conflict and release between the physical and the spiritual.  Quite extraordinary.

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41 minutes ago, ccl82 said:

 

Isn't this FRIGGIN INTERESTING? Gee DH, what do you mean what is it now? So you kinda had a feeling you hurt her feelings before by declining to buy her food?? But... but... she didn't say anything! Dunno bout you, but sounds like lovers' quarrel to me....  

 

 

Absolutely. I pointed out how in this scene Dong-Hoon sounded straight-up whiny! "Why are you ignoring me? Are you mad at me?" Ha ha, it was so cute. That is absolutely a lover's quarrel.

 

Despite the lack of skinship, their relationship hit all the emotional beats of two lovers. This is why Kwang-Il was so shocked when he saw their "beer smile." He knows Ji-An well, and he knows what this means. It's not casual.

 

That's where their relationship exists, in all these little moments that would look like nothing to anyone else, but if you know the characters well, as the viewers do, then you get how meaningful it is. Everything is communicated very briefly: simple statements like, "You're a good person," "Fighting," "Thank you," and other such words that would mean nothing in other contexts. But we know how hugely meaningful it is to them.

 

To me, the "buy me new slippers" scene is basically a love confession. He is making it clear that he will not let her exit his life for convenience, and to him, that is huge. That's why she had that ZOMG look on her face, because she understood what it meant.

 

It's like Jae-Chul said, they are speaking in code to each other. The audience knows the code, because the writer-PD taught it to them. You can refuse to see it if you need absolute confirmation via traditional visuals (kissing, etc), and/or don't want to believe in this romance, which is fine. Everyone has that choice. But the code is there, and it's quite clear and consistent.

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