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9 minutes ago, lee_yeosa said:

I am wondering why the writer did not make Sang Man become Gang Doo's saviour. Then I remember that somewhere in episode 7, Moon Soo was talking about Liverpool vs Milan which is also known as the Miracle of Istanbul. The information that she actually gained from young Gang Doo. Somehow for me, the writer make it seems that Gang Doo's life is just like Liverpool in that game. (Yeah writer-nim, Liverpool and liver failure.<_<)

1. Liverpool was losing 3-0 in the first half and almost sure of losing the championship.
Gang Doo has liver failure and is dying.
2. Liverpool was able to catch up in the 2nd half. 
Gang Doo has 4 people willing to donate their liver for him. There is hope for Gang Doo.  
3. No extra goals in extra time leading to penalties. Even the penalties tied for 2-2 at some time.
We have Sang Man as the suitable donor but there is risk of complications. So back to zero for Gang Doo.
4. Miraculously Liverpool won the match by 3-2 on penalties and miraculously there is a donor for Gang Doo.

 

My thought is that the writer want to show that miracle is possible even for someone that has been through a lot like Gang Doo. I personally love how the drama keeps emphasizing on working hard on being happy. Everyone deserved to be happy but you have to work on it. Once you allowed yourself to be happy, happiness can be in many small things such as just by holding hands.


On extra note, I have been brainwashed by my uncle on this Liverpool's miracle in 2006. He keeps telling me "Dont ever give up. It is not over until it is over". I forgot about it and it's good to be able to remember about it again through watching this drama.  

One thing I also really liked about the miracle was that it used the theme of "a miracle can come about from someone else's misfortune" which just brings the whole show around full circle. Gang Doo and Moon Soo's love story started out of a misfortune and it's likely that had Sung Jae not died in that accident they may have never gotten together nor helped each other through the journey of confronting themselves and their demons in order to heal from it. A tragedy will always be a tragedy but the idea that even in the gravest of disasters a silver lining can be found is such a great note to end the show on. 

 

Also, if the writer simply wanted the miracle to be that Gang Doo lived, then she could have still used Sang Man and had the miracle be that there were no complications with the surgery. But how much pain would Gang Doo have been forced to suffer when he woke up and realized that he almost lost his best friend/caused him serious harm because he was unconscious to refuse the donation. Even though he survived, it would have become another burden of guilt he would end up carrying for the rest of his life. Having the donation be from a random stranger that unfortunately just happened to die at the same time as Gang Doo's liver failure was a great way to give him his happy ending with no extra baggage.

 

As a little side note, I know the subs say otherwise, but I swear in the end when Sang Man's mother calls them to come eat she calls them Sang Man and Sang Doo as if she's fully accepted Gang Doo as her second son, even it he didn't end up sharing her son's liver. I thought that was a really heart-warming touch they added into the scene <3  

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1 hour ago, kumakumo said:

As a little side note, I know the subs say otherwise, but I swear in the end when Sang Man's mother calls them to come eat she calls them Sang Man and Sang Doo as if she's fully accepted Gang Doo as her second son, even it he didn't end up sharing her son's liver. I thought that was a really heart-warming touch they added into the scene <3  

Sorry to cut your post @kumakumo.Did SM's mom called GD, Sang Doo?i will try to watch that scene with volume up later.hehe..

 

I am currently watching again this beautiful drama from the 1st episode and I notice about this scene in earlier episode(epi 1 if i'm not mistaken) as I am currently watching the episode Sang Man omma screamed for them to eat but only called Sang Man's name.But in final episode, she called both. This shows that his mom is already accepted GD as her son deep down in her heart though SM is not the donor.

 

Ps:I'm currently in withdrawal symptoms from this drama.anybody else cant let go this drama yet like me?I cant even watch other drama right now,always keep repeating all the sweet scenes of our couple:wub:

 

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15 hours ago, ShannonK said:

@sweetseptember
I have to disagree...though I respect people like to think they had.
They clearly showed they were still wearing their shirts and pants,  They only took off their coats and outer layer shirt...To me that is so they could be comfortable while cuddling. Honestly, Who has sex and then gets fully dressed before going back to bed to sleep? That is just strange even for a kdrama. If the director wanted to leave this impression, he could have had the editing team cut a scene to make it look like it did. GD could have had his shirt off, and not filming below the waist.   The more I think about this, the more I feel it was just them holding one another. 
If you have liver disease, your blood is so toxic you get mental brain fog, you have little to no strength, the pain is overwhelming at times.  He is dying...
I know he would want to be with her, but It wouldn't be extremely difficult for anyone in his condition. 

It's very clear that something happened. 

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20 hours ago, stroppyse said:

 

I think it's fine for everyone to imagine the scene as they want to, however, I also have to respectfully disagree with you that GD and MS just laid in bed cuddling and falling asleep as the intent of the drama, though I can see why you might think that.

 

I think the question seems to arise from the fact that MS and GD have clothes on in the morning, especially GD who has had shirtless scenes in this drama before. However, I think how much clothes GD has on is a matter of practicality and respect for Won Jin Ah who is a rookie actress, rather than indicative of the characters' actions. I think they did enough to show the bed scene and indicate that there was intimate relations between GD and MS.

 

MS is clearly talking about having sex when she wanted to go to that motel. It's why GD is shocked, and MS makes the statement that she knows what they are for. Btw, "motels" specifically tend to have slightly unsavory reputations in Korea versus other types of lodgings, e.g. hotels, pensions, etc. This is also why MS makes the statement that she does of why GD is feeling so responsible when she's the one who wants it. This conversation is actually even more explicit than I would have expected, though I liked it because it pointed to MS' straightforward nature.

 

At this point, both GD and MS are fully aware that this might be their last date, which is why MS wants to and GD is resistant out of respect for MS who might be left by herself to face any consequences.

 

However, GD takes MS to a nice hotel instead of the cheap motel. In the hotel room, GD is still feeling skittish, but once MS lays down, invites him into bed with her, and they finally start kissing, GD is finally giving in to the strength of his own desires for MS. It's a culmination and an ultimate expression of their love for each other. The fade to black leaves the rest of the night in the viewers' imaginations, but it has the feel of their last night, and is so beautifully and sensitively shot.

 

The next morning, they show that both MS and GD have less clothing on. It's one of the drama tropes that in kdramas, people frequently have sex but then end up in bed with their clothes on. How much clothing they actually have on has to do with some compromise between writer, director, and actors. The fact that clothing was removed is enough of an indicator that intimate relations had been had by the two characters in a kdrama.

 

If it had been real life, GD may have been too weak for full on, energetic sex, and they may have indulged themselves in other ways, including just kissing and cuddling, though MS seemed way too determined to have her way with GD to settle for a kiss and a cuddle. However, within context of this drama, the intent of the drama seems to be to show that GD and MS have consummated their love for each other, and done it in a way so that there is no question for a domestic Korean viewer, but still preserving some sense of modesty for the actors.

 

Having said all that, I will repeat that I think it's fine for everyone to interpret these scenes as they would prefer to. I think that's part of the point of having these scenes where it's implication rather than explication. Neither view (whether they physically consummated their love or not) changes the fact that GD and MS love each other whole-heartedly and in every way.

I have zero doubt they consummated their love. 1) MS always gets her way. 2) As GD said, he was barely keeping it in. 3) I was shocked to see MS in her underclothes when she got out of bed. In fact, I felt uncomfortable seeing her running around the hotel room with so little clothes on.  

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1 hour ago, rambutan said:

I have zero doubt they consummated their love. 1) MS always gets her way. 2) As GD said, he was barely keeping it in. 3) I was shocked to see MS in her underclothes when she got out of bed. In fact, I felt uncomfortable seeing her running around the hotel room with so little clothes on.  

 

Thats the big difference - for me she had still a lot to wear - but it was okay for me. I am known to KDramas way to handle that kind of stuff now. I will never really understand why they use to go to bed in full clothes.

 

The second point is the stronges point for me too - and GD must felt about it like it was his last time together with her - so they would go all the way. MS made it clear before that she is greedy about having him - and they are adults.

 

Why am I still here...

I miss them!!!!

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2 hours ago, Mau_Cherry said:

Thats the big difference - for me she had still a lot to wear - but it was okay for me. I am known to KDramas way to handle that kind of stuff now. I will never really understand why they use to go to bed in full clothes.

 

Yes, cultural differences amongst international viewers. Koreans are prudish when it comes to what is shown on their tv's since it's coming into their homes where anyone and everyone can watch, especially since children may be watching the programs, also. Their movies, on the other hand, where the audience has to go to the movie theater to watch can be pretty explicit to the point where it's nearly soft porn, even if it's presented as a mainstream movie and not an adult erotic movie.

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it isn't the kind of life he lived but the kind of person he is.

even if he had nothing, he went out and helped people.

he's a good man and he deserves to live. #JustBetweenLovers

 

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17 hours ago, kumakumo said:

 

As a little side note, I know the subs say otherwise, but I swear in the end when Sang Man's mother calls them to come eat she calls them Sang Man and Sang Doo as if she's fully accepted Gang Doo as her second son, even it he didn't end up sharing her son's liver. I thought that was a really heart-warming touch they added into the scene <3  

 

@kumakumo (sorry for cuting your post) I love your post but I have to point on this part first! 
I have tear like rain on Sang Man and Mother scenes.
it's like roller coaster episode. ( Sang man suit donor, then mother and GD won't allow, then Sang man ready to check health at hospital, and then transfer too complicate to Sang man! and then at rooftop scenes (at 1 hour 15 minute air time), and then Miracle! and then word "a miracle can come about from someone else's misfortune
and then ...

Sang Man! Sang Doo! Eat!

Aow!
You are awesome, thank you for sharing this.

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Also Sang Man become real brother to GD, claim on his brother cloths :lol::lol:
 

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4 hours ago, stroppyse said:

 

Yes, cultural differences amongst international viewers. Koreans are prudish when it comes to what is shown on their tv's since it's coming into their homes where anyone and everyone can watch, especially since children may be watching the programs, also. Their movies, on the other hand, where the audience has to go to the movie theater to watch can be pretty explicit to the point where it's nearly soft porn, even if it's presented as a mainstream movie and not an adult erotic movie.

U are very right. When I started watching k movies, it's so different from k dramas. These actors and actresses that we see in dramas behaving like angels are damn so wild in movies. U hadly see actors smoking in k drama  but they can drink to stupor. We beg for kiss scenes and the bed scenes are mostly left to the imaginations of the viewers.  I actually like it. I know it won't make the world a better place but it can help parents a little in controlling and training their children to a certain level. The reason I encourage my family to like kpop also.  Recently a girl of 7 yrs was caught with a boy  being inappropriate and when questioned they didn't hesitate to say it's the dramas they watch on TV. It's becoming very very hard for parents to train their children cos of the impure  exposure of the TV.  At least they will reach to a certain age before they can start using social media. By then u would have done your best and hope they will be guided well.

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On 2/2/2018 at 8:33 PM, stroppyse said:

 

One other thing I meant to mention that I thought was sweet about the final episode. MS' mother's final drink before she goes to rehab is actually with MS' father when she had gone to give him the divorce papers. Later on as she's packing, she breaks down and asks MS for a last drink, but MS holds firm and says no. I actually thought it was good how MS' mother finally gets ahold of herself and decides to clean up entirely, and her resolve is seen in giving MS' father the divorce as well as that parting drink that she downs as she leaves him. :)

 

 

@stroppyse (sorry for cutting your post)
Thank you very much for sharing this.
I didn't saw the links of this two scenes.But after read your post, Wow.
( just like @babycrayon mentions before that coming to read in this thread is like watching extended episode. People here in this thread are awesome, discover things i don't see )

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MS parent closure: I am sad that MS parent dicide to divorce. I hope it will work out.
I feel like I am little child asking parent not to divorce but they did divorce anyway.
I have hope they find way to make it good again. But they really did talk to each other. So it really mix feeling for me. This is so real.

 

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I enjoy reading all your share thought, about something Happend or Not happened or Did they do it or Not do it. (hotel scenes)
When one coment said they do it. I think, it make sense:wub:

When other comment said they didn't, I think, it also make sense too :lol: 
And repeat....
Meanwhile, I enjoy reading more comments to come, I imagin we will have little GD, little MS in total numbers to have 1 footbal team players :lol:

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Not sure if it's ok to share this here, but I personally really wanted to see translations of these new interviews.

Junho, WonJinAh talking about their work in JBL and each other :

(cr. https://twitter.com/instantIove There are more translations of their interviews, I couldn't include all here)

 

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43 minutes ago, darr said:

U are very right. When I started watching k movies, it's so different from k dramas. These actors and actresses that we see in dramas behaving like angels are damn so wild in movies. U hadly see actors smoking in k drama  but they can drink to stupor. We beg for kiss scenes and the bed scenes are mostly left to the imaginations of the viewers.  I actually like it. I know it won't make the world a better place but it can help parents a little in controlling and training their children to a certain level. The reason I encourage my family to like kpop also.  Recently a girl of 7 yrs was caught with a boy  being inappropriate and when questioned they didn't hesitate to say it's the dramas they watch on TV. It's becoming very very hard for parents to train their children cos of the impure  exposure of the TV.  At least they will reach to a certain age before they can start using social media. By then u would have done your best and hope they will be guided well.

I was in chock after watching the famous k-movie "Old boy"  lol. Stuff there that never would be in k-dramas!  I mean (SPOILERS FOR OLD BOY!!) 

 

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The male lead having sex with a woman who actually was his daughter??  And lots of gruesome violence! And when the male lead bitt(?) off his tongue.. And in the end he and his daughter ended up together??  Hmmm... I dont think koreans in general are prudish,  just that the dramas are. But seriously,  how can k-dramas and k-movies be so completely different??? Old Boy is one of the most disturbing Richard Simmons movies i ever seen (korean or not)..

 

 

 

 

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Please do not bypass the swear filter. Also, use a spoiler for anything that is off-topic for this drama. Thanks.
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20 hours ago, lee_yeosa said:

I am wondering why the writer did not make Sang Man become Gang Doo's saviour. Then I remember that somewhere in episode 7, Moon Soo was talking about Liverpool vs Milan which is also known as the Miracle of Istanbul.

~cut for brevity~

On extra note, I have been brainwashed by my uncle on this Liverpool's miracle in 2006. He keeps telling me "Dont ever give up. It is not over until it is over". I forgot about it and it's good to be able to remember about it again through watching this drama.  

Yet another point to love the writing of this excellent drama... thanks for pointing this out to us. I'm not a fan of the sports, thus would never make the connection, but I see it clearly now. 

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9 hours ago, stroppyse said:

 

Yes, cultural differences amongst international viewers. Koreans are prudish when it comes to what is shown on their tv's since it's coming into their homes where anyone and everyone can watch, especially since children may be watching the programs, also. Their movies, on the other hand, where the audience has to go to the movie theater to watch can be pretty explicit to the point where it's nearly soft porn, even if it's presented as a mainstream movie and not an adult erotic movie.

I think in most country public tv broadcaster have restriction in what they can show in program. like in my country Norway the law say that program showing content that are equivalent to the age rating on movie have different time they can be shown on tv. In Norway the rating system is: all/6/9/12/15/18. so the law says  all, over 6 year and over 9 year can been shown everytime. 12 between 19:00 pm and 05:30 am. 15 and 18 between 21:00 pm and 05:30 am.  I guess Korea have similar law. Seems like cable channel can get away with showing more, but then it is also in the hand of the writer of the drama what they want to tell. the new JTBC drama Misty got a 19+ rating for episode 1-3.... 

 

I like the more  conservative nature in most korean tv drama because they focus more on the emotion of the romance then the lust part, witch i think often western media have forgotten. it would not be the same to me if MS and GD had jumped into bed in episode 1. to me it is the emotion and the slowness of falling in love for MS and GD  that make it so gratifying. 

 

btw I saw an article talking about why Korean melodrama movies is dying out. they interview moviegoers and they say that if they want to watch a melodrama they can tune in to tv, but when they watch a movie they want to watch something different. i guess this is also a reason why Korean tv drama and movie is so different in nature beside movie writer having more freedom. 

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Talking about age restriction, what about JW and YJ bed scene? It was more obvious. 

So I don't think GD and MS bed scene was censored like this according to the age restriction or korean tv culture. It must be according to level of actors consent I guess.

Or may be because JW and YJ are not main characters (not ultimate role models) they can be shown more explicit? That they already dated before can't explain that the scene alone wasn't censored as much as main couple's one.

 

I started re-watching this drama too..., not exactly in order but sometimes jumping between episodes.

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Btw, the first 6 songs are now available in iTunes. Where We and Title Track are not yet there though.

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11 hours ago, stroppyse said:

 

Yes, cultural differences amongst international viewers. Koreans are prudish when it comes to what is shown on their tv's since it's coming into their homes where anyone and everyone can watch, especially since children may be watching the programs, also. Their movies, on the other hand, where the audience has to go to the movie theater to watch can be pretty explicit to the point where it's nearly soft porn, even if it's presented as a mainstream movie and not an adult erotic movie.

Koreans are more conservative but when it comes to non-cable TV it's about the networks meeting the regulations of the kcsc. We also have higher regulations in the US on non-cable TV. TV programs are rated stronger on those channels, some content is restricted to later hours of the night. 
Cable on the other hand has a lot more freedom. As you mentioned Korean movies don't have to meet those same expectations as network tv, but they still fall under a rating system for ages allowed into the theatre.

Anyway...  I keep going back to the fact that even if the actors didn't want to "show" skin, or if the director was trying to keep it within the 15 rating... He could have easily changed the angle of the camera or guided the editing team to leave more to the imagination as it has been done in other dramas....as it has been done in other dramas.   
GD and MS's conversation leads the viewer imagining the direction going one way, the images don't fully match that scenario....The director made a choice to film it that way for some odd reason....Maybe he wanted us all to make up our own conclusion in the end...as many of us are. Personally,  I would really like to see someone ask him why he filmed it that way in and interview so we could hear his version of it. 

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17 hours ago, rambutan said:

I have zero doubt they consummated their love. 1) MS always gets her way. 2) As GD said, he was barely keeping it in. 3) I was shocked to see MS in her underclothes when she got out of bed. In fact, I felt uncomfortable seeing her running around the hotel room with so little clothes on.  

 

Interesting. Moon-Soo says she wants to just rest and accuses Gang-Doo of thinking about "things".

 

I don't think they consumate their love there. Gang-Doo is very very sick. His condition (is it cirrhosis?) comes with extreme fatigue (he just got out of hospital) and may dampen the sex drive. His medication will probably also affect him. Consumating, at that moment, would be irresponsible, so  un-Gang-Doo and un-Moon-Soo (she knows he is sick and he shouldn't get physically exhausted).

 

 

 

 

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