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[Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Evolution of Our Love 爱情进化论

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11 hours ago, litopanda said:

 

@Kim Yunmi

I need to go back to marathon through the original again to refresh my memory/mind on it. I realized even though I love it and it's my all time favorite drama, I don't remember much of it's detail until you remind me lol.  One of my favorite is Proposal Daisakusen, it's a romance but also sorta slice of life and the whole idea of best friend - lost opportunity just like In Time with You. Surprisingly I really also like the Korean remake of it too. There is a mainland remake I think...but I couldn't get into it because it was REALLY cheesy..the mainland one. 

 

As for long episodes in Chinese dramas. i know what you mean. I was just talking about the same thing on another drama forum on how a lot of Chinese fantasy / historical dramas recent are soo long and draggy due to the production's greed to drag out the episodes and then cut it off at a cliffhanger to maybe get a sequel out of it. The best example would be Legend of Chusen and Princess Agent. With the number of episodes it have....they could finish the whole story but they drag and drag and drag it out so they can have a sequel. I was so frustrated watching them because they both start out so good. i'm so weary of starting another one, especially mainstream one just because I'm afraid to be disappointed again. That why i'm holding out on Fuyao and Martial Universe until I know the water is clear and I won't be disappointed haha. 

Totally worth rewatching the original. It lends itself to doing that over and over again. I always find new things when I rewatch it and new perspective. That's the thing about Winnie's dramas I always loved. (referring to the director). He always tends to love playing around with shots and actors. There is a reason Ariel chose him so many times too. (Her real life love story panned out more like In Time With You, though than ISWAK) (Winnie, the director, also got married around that time... so I kinda think it's his treaties to asking what makes a good marriage as well. He's slow to cut and hates cutting footage, but really thoughtful in his directing style, and likes screwing with the viewers in how he cuts together his episodes such that the previews play with you, but tell the story as well... and I could gush about his directing for ages... but it's worth also noting that the cuts on the way out aren't the same as the ones on the way in from eye catches. Sometimes they are different takes of the same scene that were done well, but differently in subtle ways. His style is like fine wine if you watch carefully. The way he uses reflections, divides his shots, it's utter art. He also tends to troll his actors a bit too... but in a funny haha way they appreciate after the fact.)

Fuyao is really good, but has pacing issues. The world building is top notch, the acting and voices are really on point. I could believe the actors and voices matched well. The set pieces were pretty good. The CGI bordered on a bit cheesy at times, but it's Wuxia. The only issue I had was that I felt like they needed more time to make everything come together correctly--I want to read the book, though, but I don't read Chinese (at least very well). Was worth my time, though the ending... I kinda wanted it to stick the landing a bit more. (Oh my General, BTW, stuck the landing more and was solid beginning to end.)

Proposal Daisakusen was really good--when Japan sets out to do rom com and romance it tends to be really good, but when they stick it in as a second helping or background, the romance no matter how many episodes they give them never, ever sticks the landing. Trick had like what? 3 seasons, several movies, a final movie and effing they didn't finish the romance. It's like they never get past the flirting stage. Forget kisses, they never even go there though you always get the feeling the characters *should* be together, they never are together. So in rom com, fine, but with romance as a second goal, never, ever, even though there rarely are second series in Japan. Japan does less rom coms probably because Korea does so many and gets imported into Japan. Only during dry spells does Japan ever roll out a really top notch Rom Com--which is what happened with Nijihage. Korea went on a Mystery/Thriller bender and Japan became starved because that's what Japan usually fills in the East Asian international scene. (Korea, I've realized also fluxes a lot more than the other markets in East Asia--as of late at least--Korea also uses adaptations to test new writers which is why most adaptations tend to suck--exceptions do apply, but it's rare).

Ding Yuan is amping up his assholery, but I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop. The strongest women sometimes succumb to abuse cycles in real life. If they cook it nice and slow I'll accept it. I also think, though, they are making her a lot more desperate to *be* in a relationship than in the original though... both script and acting.

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Watching Ruoman when her first love returns...it's like nearly seeing Qingqing all over again. Why does she revert to shenanigans of her younger years, it's as if she hasn't moved from her image of the guy from his high school days. Hah at Ding Yuyang vaguely recalling Lu Fei but not Ruoman!

 

And actress Bai Bing starts her appearance around episode 26 of the TV version.

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She her own boss it seems. One of their first conversations and it's about their ages.

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So sad to see Lu Fei end up in the hospital and Xiao Mei frantically unable to contact Ruoman.

 

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I feel the China Version, Lu Fei is such a sad character. His parents are such a screw up. His father is hopeless n his mom is another controlling case. He has no one to talk to about his problems. His parents humiliates him in front of people everytime. No wonder he doesn't have many friends except Ruoman. He bottles a lot of  things up. He doesn't talk. He just work and try to live his life. His only pleasure is RuoMan. Even then Ruo Man these days saddens him a lot. I feel so sad for him when Ruo Man didn't call him after that car incident.  He was nervous and torn up. Then he decided to make everything easier for Ruoman by going to match making sessions just to detract RuoMan. 

 

The emotions he felt when RuoMan gave him a shoulder massage. I thought he was going to explode and grab RuoMan and kiss her senseless. Can feel his longings for her. Don't think he can hold out much longer. 

 

The statement he said to RuoMan - I'm happy or OK as long as I have you there. Ooo ... thé feel of it when he said that n his eyes on her. She is literally his world n universe.

 

His breakdown when Ruo Man lashes on him upon his return from match making session. That is so sad. And he had to swallow it all back up when he realised RuoMan is coming back into the house. 

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I realize this isn't the show of the year, but I think the Tianai and Ruoyun are really awesome actors and acting their hearts out here!

 

Tianai is just expressive and full of movement and life that when she's on the screen being funny, being angry, being bored, it's nearly enough just to watch her!  Ruoyun has a tougher job of emoting for an unemotional character but he does great and between the two of them you get a lot of exquisite angst.  

 

Agreed that the suppressed emotion from Lu Fei is killing everyone!

 

(I have to say though that his mother and sister and father are all incredibly annoying,I get it that they have to be awful for plot purposes but it's pretty ridiculous... even his sister who's the most normal of the lot is awful- she jumps to conclusions, accuses people without evidence and is just generally a pain.  The great 2ndary characters are Lu Fei and Ruoman's married, just-had-kid good friend- so reasonable and strong and fun! As well as Lu Fei's latest "love interest" the restaurant owner- she too seems pretty laid back and reasonable!)

 

Just to say I'm enjoying this and look forward to it daily! :)  Thanks everyone for sharing their thoughts here too.

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wow...

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Ding Yuyang dumped all of Ruoman's hard work into the trash...if it had been Lu Fei, he would at least tried it and commented. But then maybe Ding Yuyang was not too happy finding out all the delicious food he had previously tasted when sick was actually made by Lu Fei!

 

Hmm...did Ding Yuyang ex-gf post a pic of herself and him having fun on his trip  back to US?

 

I loved the scene where Ruoman and Lu Fei were literally arguing/bickering at the table and Ding Yuyang pretty much felt like an outsider. One of the few times Lu Fei didn't completely back down from Ruoman.

 

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I find this show abit ridiculous simply because I am wondering how close to reality does this show depict? However, I still like it.  Thematic emphasis on womens role in todays society.  I did not watch other version. so I cannot compare

 

Lu Fei would be the more ideal type of guy for any society because of his character.  Whereas Man Man in most society she would be a "turn off" because of her personality.  She doesnt know how to display any warmth.  

 

I hope Lu Fei ends up with the 2nd female lead simply because she is more compatible with him.  With Man Man she simply takes him for granted,  she hasnt felt that angst or threatened of losing Lu Fei to any female yet.  She doesnt appreciate all the big and small things he does for her, the sacrifices on his part.  She is selfish and self absorbed.   Lu Fei said it right when he said, " putting too much importance on DY, and putting aside her principles". For a woman who revels in her career accomplishments, she sure  does a 180 degree when it comes to DY.  Its like she would give up all her hardwork just to appease DY and fear of disappointing him.  In that sense to me, her core self is lacking.  This is the first time Im actually rooting for the 2nd female lead.

 

Lu Feis parents are abusive, his deep seated fear of marriage stems from his parents.   Its like he is left to babysit two immature and vicious individuals that resent each other.

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2 hours ago, rainmaker5 said:

I find this show abit ridiculous simply because I am wondering how close to reality does this show depict? However, I still like it.  Thematic emphasis on womens role in todays society.  I did not watch other version. so I cannot compare

 

Lu Fei would be the more ideal type of guy for any society because of his character.  Whereas Man Man in most society she would be a "turn off" because of her personality.  She doesnt know how to display any warmth.  

 

I hope Lu Fei ends up with the 2nd female lead simply because she is more compatible with him.  With Man Man she simply takes him for granted,  she hasnt felt that angst or threatened of losing Lu Fei to any female yet.  She doesnt appreciate all the big and small things he does for her, the sacrifices on his part.  She is selfish and self absorbed.   Lu Fei said it right when he said, " putting too much importance on DY, and putting aside her principles". For a woman who revels in her career accomplishments, she sure  does a 180 degree when it comes to DY.  Its like she would give up all her hardwork just to appease DY and fear of disappointing him.  In that sense to me, her core self is lacking.  This is the first time Im actually rooting for the 2nd female lead.

 

Lu Feis parents are abusive, his deep seated fear of marriage stems from his parents.   Its like he is left to babysit two immature and vicious individuals that resent each other.

The original was better because she often got mad only when she had to stick up for someone else. The warmth of the character came from the fierceness she protected and cared about other people, even when that caring was downright fierce. She's not the same in this drama, often coming off fierce first which is why I think they took off the "arrogant" out of the original poem/song.

The original, BTW, is much shorter at 13 episodes, but certainly has a different dynamic than here.

But yeah, Lu Fei is a lot more pitiful in a way that Da Ren wasn't.

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On 8/17/2018 at 11:30 AM, cheekychipmunk_stv said:

His breakdown when Ruo Man lashes on him upon his return from match making session. That is so sad. And he had to swallow it all back up when he realised RuoMan is coming back into the house. 

 

Forgot to say "Yes!" Totally that scene when the usually unflappable Lu Fei is literally shaking and about to collapse and cannot even look up when Ruo Man returns?  I was  pretty impressed by the acting, and really quite mad at Ruo Man. (Also when he snaps at his sister and then tosses the chess pieces to the floor... these are pretty much equivalents of nervous breakdowns for him, which was great to see because in all other scenes he suppresses so much of his feelings!)

 

And yes agreed on how inconsistent and not truly independent Ruoman is.  Not the best role model for women, mostly this drama seems to be a discourse/commentary about how different young people today think about relationships and marriage?

 

But I admit this is still a guilty pleasure of mine because I think the acting is pretty good... no comments about all of the pairings, except it's pretty obvious (even if we didn't know about the original) who will end up together, and I do feel awful for Lu Fei.  His mom and father and sister and Ruoman all abuse him to different degrees. I guess I do feel like Ruoman at least has generally been good to him, although there are scenes when I think "Lu Fei if you were a woman and RuoMan a man, I'd tell you to run because Ruoman would domestically abuse you if you married 'him'!"

 

 

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Can see Lu Fei softens towards to restaurant owner. She is like ruoMan but a softer side. He can easily fall for her if RuoMan isn't in his heart and mind already.

 

Superb acting chop from Ruoyun. He really can act like a love sick puppy to a breaking point heart broken guy. 

 

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On 8/15/2018 at 11:09 AM, Kim Yunmi said:

Totally worth rewatching the original. It lends itself to doing that over and over again. I always find new things when I rewatch it and new perspective. That's the thing about Winnie's dramas I always loved. (referring to the director). He always tends to love playing around with shots and actors. There is a reason Ariel chose him so many times too. (Her real life love story panned out more like In Time With You, though than ISWAK) (Winnie, the director, also got married around that time... so I kinda think it's his treaties to asking what makes a good marriage as well. He's slow to cut and hates cutting footage, but really thoughtful in his directing style, and likes screwing with the viewers in how he cuts together his episodes such that the previews play with you, but tell the story as well... and I could gush about his directing for ages... but it's worth also noting that the cuts on the way out aren't the same as the ones on the way in from eye catches. Sometimes they are different takes of the same scene that were done well, but differently in subtle ways. His style is like fine wine if you watch carefully. The way he uses reflections, divides his shots, it's utter art. He also tends to troll his actors a bit too... but in a funny haha way they appreciate after the fact.)

Proposal Daisakusen was really good--when Japan sets out to do rom com and romance it tends to be really good, but when they stick it in as a second helping or background, the romance no matter how many episodes they give them never, ever sticks the landing. Trick had like what? 3 seasons, several movies, a final movie and effing they didn't finish the romance. It's like they never get past the flirting stage. Forget kisses, they never even go there though you always get the feeling the characters *should* be together, they never are together. So in rom com, fine, but with romance as a second goal, never, ever, even though there rarely are second series in Japan. Japan does less rom coms probably because Korea does so many and gets imported into Japan. Only during dry spells does Japan ever roll out a really top notch Rom Com--which is what happened with Nijihage. Korea went on a Mystery/Thriller bender and Japan became starved because that's what Japan usually fills in the East Asian international scene. (Korea, I've realized also fluxes a lot more than the other markets in East Asia--as of late at least--Korea also uses adaptations to test new writers which is why most adaptations tend to suck--exceptions do apply, but it's rare).
 

 

@Kim Yunmi

I actually watched the original like 3 or 4 times over and over again in the past but the last time was like 2 years ago I think, so my memory is not too fresh on it. I probably gonna rewatch it again soon maybe after I finish this mainland version so I won't be confused lol. I actually had never pay attention to the director of In Time with You. Shame on me because I should. A movie or a drama is created perfectly because of so many different aspect from story to acting to the cinematography to art direction, production design, to sound design and editing. If any part of it fail, it can really mess up the work. The director for In Time with You did a fantastic job on taking a good story and created a masterpiece with his directions and vision. I'll definitely look him up more. So many movie or drama failed recently because production wise, they really fail to bring to life the original story. It's sad that a lot of them would go for the top notch special effects or overly vibrant world/art direction, especially wuxia fantasy ones, but fail to understand the core of the story. In Time with You and Nirvana in Fire, took the core of the story and create everything else from it in details that most of the audience would miss watching it through the first time. However everything from a teacup on the table to the color on the wall in a movie/drama is and should be carefully planned out. It's there for a purpose. And I love it when I watch something again and actually see it. 

 

I recently went to watch and finished Zhang Tian Ai previous drama, Go Princess Go. You can really tell how low the budget is for that drama from costume to set. I mean one pond and walkway is like 10 different places in that drama lol. But it's very admirable that they actually was able to make it work with the resources that they have. Plot wise it's alright but  the acting and writing itself is pure comedy gold. 

 

I've notice the Korean dramas are moving more toward mystery/thriller. It's not a bad thing because they can't just do one genre forever. We will see how it goes. I do like some recent dramas in the genre. Like Circle. I love Circle. That is the best drama I've watch in my drama watching career. I think it's done really well, especially the writing. And it's also one of the few dramas where there are "romance" but it's not the main focus of the story. Not just in Japanese dramas but there are some Korean dramas that have the romance as a side story instead of the main focus and a lot of them just turn out to be so frustrating. Like *cough* Ghost and Misaeng. Sometime I feel like if you're not gonna "complete" a romance then just don't put it in there to tease us along and then gives us nothing at the end. I actually didn't know that Korea gives new writer adaptation to write. It sucks because that is pretty much insulting the original classics. No wonder why so many Korean adaptation of other dramas sucks so bad or fail so miserably. 

 

I might pass on Fuyao and maybe even Martial Universe. It's sad because Martial Universe is one of the ones I've been looking forward too. I haven't start it yet but I watch the trailers and I don't know what it is but I just feel like it's over the top cheesy with all that big special effects and the story from summary is felt generic. It's like Chusen all over again pretty much. 

 

15 hours ago, rainmaker5 said:

I find this show abit ridiculous simply because I am wondering how close to reality does this show depict? However, I still like it.  Thematic emphasis on womens role in todays society.  I did not watch other version. so I cannot compare

 

Lu Fei would be the more ideal type of guy for any society because of his character.  Whereas Man Man in most society she would be a "turn off" because of her personality.  She doesnt know how to display any warmth.  

 

I hope Lu Fei ends up with the 2nd female lead simply because she is more compatible with him.  With Man Man she simply takes him for granted,  she hasnt felt that angst or threatened of losing Lu Fei to any female yet.  She doesnt appreciate all the big and small things he does for her, the sacrifices on his part.  She is selfish and self absorbed.   Lu Fei said it right when he said, " putting too much importance on DY, and putting aside her principles". For a woman who revels in her career accomplishments, she sure  does a 180 degree when it comes to DY.  Its like she would give up all her hardwork just to appease DY and fear of disappointing him.  In that sense to me, her core self is lacking.  This is the first time Im actually rooting for the 2nd female lead.

 

Lu Feis parents are abusive, his deep seated fear of marriage stems from his parents.   Its like he is left to babysit two immature and vicious individuals that resent each other.

 

@rainmaker5

You should give the original In Time with You a try. I think that one is more grounded than this one. 

I think everyone have a different opinion on the story and character depending on their own experience. I can't say this story is completely realistic but in a sense it emphasize on a lot of issues in society today.

 

Ai rouman is selfish and self absorb but aren't we all at times? Not to her extend but there are times in our life that we are so focus on something that we look past or take for granted what we have. That is why there are soooo many quotes about appreciating the things you have. Like Kim Yunmi said, the dynamic in this version is very different from the original. From the main characters relationship to just their lives around them. Just my opinion but the original is more grounded in the sense that the characters personality and actions makes a lot more sense. Like You Qing (main girl in the original) have the constant "strong' personality throughout her life, from her school years when she met Da Ren to present day and to the future. She doesn't flux like Ai Rouman because of romance. Even when she went back with her ex (Ding Yuan in the original), her personality is still constant in which she stands equal to him and is truly independent until the later of the story (not gonna spoil for ya), but my point is she doesn't go Qing Qing on him like Ai Rouman is doing and lose all her personality. I guess other can argue that Ai Rouman is different from You Qing. Like An Zhou once said, Ai Rouman is like a paper tiger...always fierce and have a strong mask on the outside but in fact she is only just a sweet girl in the inside who needs loving. Again same story but the character dynamic is very different. Some of the changes I can understand but doesn't mean I'm not frustrated by it. Like Lu Fei's parents....I don't think they are necessary to be that extreme since in the original, even though Da Ren's mom and sister is also hard to get along with, they are not as extreme as his parent in here. I guess they felt the need to establish more on Lu Fei's character and fear of "commitment". As of right now I can't say I don't like the changes in the characters yet. I'll have to watch till the end and decide when I see whether or not it pays off. 

 

I just suddenly realized in the original Da Ren also have a "second girl" in singapore. I think this second lead is more of a mix of her and half of maggie. I'm actually rooting for them too. LOL With Ai Rouman's actions lately....she needs to lose Lu Fei to someone who is a real rival for her realize what she had taken for granted. 

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@Kim Yunmi @litopanda i like long detailed posts thoroughly trying to examine something specific except for those  "long quotes".  Those quotes take good test of your patience.

 

@creidesca Where did you get all those spoilers. Thankfully i escaped a part of that spoiler.

@40somethingahjumma happy to see you here.

 

Operation Love is has few initial similarities with the show but that one is a pretty simple story.

You guys are doing good job comparing Taiwanese vs. Korean vs. Chinese.

I think Chinese Show has just taken the concept and made an original show out of it. This show can have similarities with over one dozen "childhood-friends-to-lovers" stories. S, I treat this show as an original show instead of a remake of something made earlier.

 

@cheekychipmunk_stv completely agree with your comments regarding Lu Fei. How unlucky a person can be? He needs atleast one healthy and stable relationship. platonic or romantic.

 

Now about the Scriptwriter - What He/She is upto. Why do Chinese dramas lack any form of coherence and logic? Writer went all over the place and wasted so much time to not come up with anything substantial or rational.

These thoughts kept circling around me - Is writer a feminist? or women rights activist? or just soft towards social issues and problems women face especially Working Women.

I have never seen so badly written female characters. This is the 1st time i  even used colourful words for "few fictional characters". I just don't understand the idea of women writer wants to present.

I even thought, 

1. Male Writer - he hates women because of no. of reasons and actually thought those real life women had these characteristics and intentionally wrote female characters like that.

2. Female Writer - Came across such characters in real life and hated them and made her female characters like these one as excuse.

Does scriptwriter hates Lu Fei? Why add more misery into his life? Or does Writer wants some revenge on audience?

Concept is already in your hands and you just have to churn few ideas to make the story appropriate for your own culture and time. Still, You mess up and create this kind of Product.

 

Actors are trying to do their best but when source is lazily written, you just can't ignore the obvious shortcomings. 

 

@yitiantulong Episode 25 last few minutes are so emotional. I almost cried. Lu Fei can't even cry in his own home. But i think his words did hurt Ai Ruoman a lot too and she retaliated back with direct abuse. We all know how good she is with words. The girl likes to tear apart others.

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Also when he snaps at his sister and then tosses the chess pieces to the floor...

 

When did this happen?

 

For everyone active - Does viki cut few scenes? I can see some lousy editing from director but at in episode 28 someone was throwing stones at Ruoman's window and episode 29 started Ruoman getting ready to leave for Beijing in the morning and father getting all worried over white hairs.

 

He Xin - Lu Fei pair works and is quite good one. I don't think there is enough time left for the significant growth Ai Ruoman requires.

 

So it all will be - love above everything and Lu Fei will choose Ai Ruoman with all her faults and shortcomings.

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@catocat apparently the TV version of the drama is ahead (by at least 15min) even though the episode # is the same, possibly air time (not counting the OP+ED credits) is longer compared to the DVD/version that includes the OP+ED credits. So I watch the "DVD" version and then the TV version during the wait for new episodes. Saw DragonTV's episode 31 and they included 4min preview of what is to happen in episode 32-33.

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Lu Fei's mom had a fit after witnessing Manman and Ding Yuyang together...which explains the 1 scene we've seen in the trailer where Lu Fei throws her cell into the fish tank. And Lu Fei is leaving for HK! His mom sure has a quick change of tune when he told her that.

 

As for episode 31 TV version,

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Ding Yuyang and Manman gets into an argument over Lu Fei...and Manman will finally learn who Lu Fei wrote the love letter to.

 

Also, I saw a clip somewhere

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where a little girl is being seen by Lu Fei at the dentist office--she asks him if he's her mom's boyfriend. Could possibly mean He Xin has a child???!

 

Well, for sure TV version has scenes cut...was comparing the ending of episode 28 DVD where she goes out to investigate whoever is throwing rocks at her window at night. Episode 28 TV version (Jiangsu TV?) has that scene completely cut out, and episode 29 DVD version doesn't seem to follow up on it--directly goes to the morning w/ her dad.

 

Now I really want to see a fuller version of this drama even with all its faults.

 

Saw another preview of ep32-33 on the official youtube channel

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An Zhuo makes another reappearance, I guess to close out his story like they did w/ Qingqing and her engagement.

 

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The show is not in ratings competition. Struggling around 0.3 average.

 

@creidesca This is official channel that is updated videos on Youtube and they also post those 4 minute previews. Its cousin who brought that half torn letter forward.

 

追剧FUN  is another channel that posts small scenes from next episodes.  Episode 32-33 will be quite entertaining the way Ruoman acts and the way pushes Lu Fei when he visited her.
 
感谢订阅中剧独播 This is official Youtube channel that updated complete episodes.
 
I saw Mom's violent act in SMG电视剧 Channel's video posted yesterday. 
 
Yeah Ah Zhuo is back and we might get time jump aka time skip.
 
無二音樂 - All the OST are here at this Youtube Channel
 

 

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5 hours ago, litopanda said:

 

@Kim Yunmi

I actually watched the original like 3 or 4 times over and over again in the past but the last time was like 2 years ago I think, so my memory is not too fresh on it. I probably gonna rewatch it again soon maybe after I finish this mainland version so I won't be confused lol. I actually had never pay attention to the director of In Time with You. Shame on me because I should. A movie or a drama is created perfectly because of so many different aspect from story to acting to the cinematography to art direction, production design, to sound design and editing. If any part of it fail, it can really mess up the work. The director for In Time with You did a fantastic job on taking a good story and created a masterpiece with his directions and vision. I'll definitely look him up more. So many movie or drama failed recently because production wise, they really fail to bring to life the original story. It's sad that a lot of them would go for the top notch special effects or overly vibrant world/art direction, especially wuxia fantasy ones, but fail to understand the core of the story. In Time with You and Nirvana in Fire, took the core of the story and create everything else from it in details that most of the audience would miss watching it through the first time. However everything from a teacup on the table to the color on the wall in a movie/drama is and should be carefully planned out. It's there for a purpose. And I love it when I watch something again and actually see it. 

 

I recently went to watch and finished Zhang Tian Ai previous drama, Go Princess Go. You can really tell how low the budget is for that drama from costume to set. I mean one pond and walkway is like 10 different places in that drama lol. But it's very admirable that they actually was able to make it work with the resources that they have. Plot wise it's alright but  the acting and writing itself is pure comedy gold. 

 

Like Circle. I love Circle. That is the best drama I've watch in my drama watching career.

 

I might pass on Fuyao and maybe even Martial Universe. It's sad because Martial Universe is one of the ones I've been looking forward too. I haven't start it yet but I watch the trailers and I don't know what it is but I just feel like it's over the top cheesy with all that big special effects and the story from summary is felt generic. It's like Chusen all over again pretty much. 

Fuyao was good, just wish that the pacing was a tiny bit better. I had a few quibbles that I understand the original novel didn't have.

If you liked Circle, you might like W. W has both romance, mystery and action. I don't know if you've seen it.

The director of In Time With You did It Started with a Kiss 1 and 2. Also The Rose, which was Joe Chen's first major role. He's been doing mostly movies lately. He's famous for pissing off networks because he's really slow to edit together the footage he's shot. He tends to direct and act as a PD on his works. He's also hella faithful to the original source material almost to madness when he's doing adaptations. He also tends to cameo in his own works--he was the taxi driver in the last scene of In Time With You. He's probably the only director I really follow out of East Asia that I adore this much.

If you watch his work--The Rose is so worth watching and It Started with a Kiss 1 and 2 (Also did Tiny Times series, not movie) you start to pick up on directing habits he loves to insert and you find and get rewarded visually for everything he puts into the work. So the first time you might enjoy the story, the second time you realize how the story was communicated to you through visual symbolism, the third time you might watch to see the pay offs and so on. He's that sort of director. Like fine wine. He has a thing for loving to play with credit sequences, tailoring the music to the drama perfect pitch, working really hard on visual symbolism and he's really has a thing for using reflections to show different sides of the actor and add to the storytelling. Despite his visual symbolism, I feel at least he doesn't do it purely for the set or art piece, but he literally thinks hard on it with the writer to communicate the story better. He also likes pranking his actors in ways they find absolutely funny and often puts the NGs in... which is probably why the cutting together takes so long he treasures the actors, story and footage that much. Even the ones where he didn't get to finish the project with, he often puts a ton of feminism front and center, a bit ahead of his time, though, I think because he's often willing to play with male gender roles as much as female ones and ask questions about sexuality in ways I think presses the boundaries.

The behind the scenes with him are always funny--you can tell he's somewhat of an introvert, but cares a lot about his actors, so they often reciprocate to him equally with joking, laughter, etc even as he pranks them. (The fishball scene in behind the scenes was really funny as was in ISWAK 2, where Ariel related how she kept going and going he he refused to say cut until she said, 'So when are you going to say cut?")

I could gush for ages, but he's definitely a director I have like a crush on (creatively, not like sexually or anything.) He's the kind of director that if I made a book and he wanted to direct it into a series or movie I would flat out say yes without questions.

Anyway... back to the drama... is swallowing ink a bad thing? I wonder. Maybe it's not so bad if it's so old. But yeah, I'm starting to not like Ruoman... I mean she keeps putting Lu Fei down over and over again and telling how impossible it is without her turning around and telling him why she's his friend. I get she's protective of him, but that's not enough for me. (I felt like in the original, you knew why they were friends... and You Qing was fierce about being his friend and you knew why he liked her so much was because of that reciprocal relationship.) Here I'm puzzled why she likes him at all if she keeps putting him down (Especially since she knows how he feels now). Maybe it's the acting? Maybe it's the writing? What I kinda want from either is that moment's hesitation that maybe just maybe she feels hurt by something he did in the past to rebuff her feelings (accidentally, maybe or minor) or something so she started to think it was impossible and so she gradually became louder over it over time because that's the only salvage I see so far.

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@catocat Besides watching through viki/youtube official channel, I also download the TVrips (DragonTV and/or Jiangsu depending on who the ripper is) to view--they have the logo of the TV station and/or have it "shaded out" plus any weather announcements for different parts of China. The Jiangsu TVrip I saw had the part where Manman in her room at night when the rocks thrown at her window completely cut out, but the youtube official channel/web-DLs all have this scene up to the point where she goes out to investigate (whether it says it's DVD or not). Now I'm trying to see if the DragonTV version has this scene cut out or not too.

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@Kim Yunmi I was under the impression Lu Fei had said something when they were in high school that made Manman insecure about herself (not the one where he had told her to look at herself and ask why no one wanted her as the class monitor). Lu Fei apologized for it as an adult, but it was something Manman never really got over even though she says she has. Will have to go back and find that particular episode.

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33 minutes ago, Kim Yunmi said:

Maybe it's the acting? Maybe it's the writing? What I kinda want from either is that moment's hesitation that maybe just maybe she feels hurt by something he did in the past to rebuff her feelings (accidentally, maybe or minor) or something so she started to think it was impossible and so she gradually became louder over it over time because that's the only salvage I see so far.

 

Agreed that with all the incredibly CLEAR signals Lu Fei is giving (even the obnoxious girl from high school who Rouman thought Lu Fei liked could tell) somehow Rouman manages to not-see.  I just finished Ep 31 and I guess this is it?  She's finally realized how much Lu Fei likes her and how he's suffered, but...

 

Spoiler

.... it seems like Lu Fei will leave for HK in the next episode without an opportunity for him and Ruoman to really tackle that head-on, and then there will be a time skip?  Gaaaah!  What a coop out!

 

Urg!  I'm with everyone who thinks Lu Fei deserves better, e.g., the 2nd lead female has been nothing but awesome so far, and BTW, yes if she already has a kid it might be even better... Lu Fei is so good with kids!  I know how this story ends and also in many ways I still like Ruoman (although I stop short of respecting her- she's too boy-crazy for that- I still like her care for her friends and standing by them, and generally smart, quirky personality), but I can't help wishing Lu Fei could find someone who treats him right.  C'mon Ruoman, stop this nonsense, face up to the situation!

 

(Ok, I think I'm also a little peeved at Lu Fei for the situation, if he could only stand up to his mom and tell her that Ruoman is dating someone else, things would also be a LOT less stressful and complicated for him! All the shouting and screaming isn't helping anyone's nerves and sanity.)

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1 hour ago, creidesca said:

@Kim Yunmi I was under the impression Lu Fei had said something when they were in high school that made Manman insecure about herself (not the one where he had told her to look at herself and ask why no one wanted her as the class monitor). Lu Fei apologized for it as an adult, but it was something Manman never really got over even though she says she has. Will have to go back and find that particular episode.

If you could I'd appreciate it because I can't see why she keeps rebuffing him.

 

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Agree... That sort of yelling doesn't help anyone. He's absorbing a lot of hurt and anger which doesn't belong to him. It's just abusive rather than helpful.

Original had a separation, but not a time skip. She needs a crisis and also a reason for why she's acting like she's acting. The gradual and graceful of the original teased it was coming, but I hope they do something to explain her actions because the original didn't need it, but they certainly do here otherwise I won't quite feel this is a good OTP and more a recipe for an abusive relationship. The playing field needs some leveling.

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@yitiantulong females of this show are crazy and have anger issues.  Mother has lived a stressful and painful life and lashes out at others and always loses control. Lu Fei isn't known to clear things out. So no matter what Ruoman vs. Lu Fei's mother was given.

 

Lu Fei's clear signs can be misinterpreted and that's what Ruoman has done so far. Its not far fetched or unconvincing but after that cheek kiss ruoman started to notice things around her.  Still one part of heart strictly follows the slogan of we-are-friends. In this regard both Lu Fei and Ruoman are similar.

 

@creidesca I want to know what Lu Fei said in that specific situation in that particular episode. You have to do so much to find the reality of scenes cut-or not. Its looks quite unfair and bad if proven that different mediums have different airtime of episodes.

 

Ruoman is spoiled even more by Lu Fei than her father.

 

I was scrolling SMG interviews again to find a specific scene and there Ding Yuyuang proposes to Ruoman in public and Lu Fei watch it all with tears in eyes.

So Ruoman trying a wedding dress scene is my imagination or i really saw it is my current search activity.

 

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Ive only watched a few mins of episode 31 and the 2nd lead female is talking about her decisions to venture out on her own against her parents wishes....and Lu Fei is actively listening because he is thinking of his situation with his parents....he needs courage and this lady will give him that.

 

Man Man doesnt deserve Lu Fei.....if he said something to hurt her in the past...so what?  She should know her best friend loves her the most and would never intentionally hurt her.  It doesnt warrant for her to rebuff him and constantly remind him that she does this and that for him....blah blah!!

 

Thats why I am rooting for the 2nd female lead....She's successful, she understands him... that one episode when Man Man called him to let him know that she and DY are now dating, his heart sank, and you can feel the sadness in his tone, He Xin caught on and without saying anything she catered to his brokenheart by staying with him.

 

Man Man doesnt have the depth of love that Lu Fei has for her.  Even if she realizes she loves him....she still doesn't deserve him.  That is why I hope the writers throws us a curveball and lets Lu Fei and He Xin be together in the end...Like relocate to America and start their family there.  He needs a clean break from his past.  And  He Xin is steady, stable, solid etc... whereas Man Man seems more like a rollercoaster...all over the place.

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