marinated_lemon Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, chickfactor said: I think HR may not understand exactly what WS wants - he is supposedly a programming genius, and she can't do the math in her head to figure out $1,000 x 24 months = $24,000. So she's not smart in the same way that he is, and there are clearly times when he starts babbling about Rubik's cubes and she has no clue what he's talking about. But she still gave him plenty of time and room to do exactly what he wanted, and encouraged him and supported him. I think he's the one who's been, and still being, either selfish or clueless. Maybe BOTH of them are selfish. Ho Rang is selfish enough to force Won Seok to change and tailor-made to cut to her taste and dreams, and selfish enough to push Won Seok to marry her and overlook his zero income the past 3 years (and on top of that, to proclaim that she will quit right after she got married and be a home maker) Won Seok is selfish enough to overlook that her freaking gf works so hard to support his life these past years (having no income at all from the app), and selfish enough to keep her waiting (apparently he didnt even bother to ask her what her dream was, to begin with) Should they proceed with the wedding plan? I would say, not without a very long, boring, tiring, nerve wrecking, brain drainin...discussion between the two. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmyra Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 14 hours ago, enigmatic_zephy said: i like sooji otherwise..but i don't get it.. what statement are you trying to make by not wearing bra and wearing a white shirt and going out??? that's just cheap.. or nympho*** its not a statement of freedom or feminism or whatever you wanna call it.. Would she like it if men wore transparent pants with showing? Why should women always wear bras ? Why is it worse to see the nipples of a woman than the nipples of a man through a white skirt? Comparing being braless for a woman with wearing transparent pants for men is not well balanced. If men can wear transparent pants, women should have the same rights. Why is it so commonly accepted shirtless men in streets when a woman is insulted because she is braless although she wears a shirt ? It is not a statement, it is a personal preference and yes that's freedom: she does not like wearing a bra, she wants to wear a white shirt...why not ? The problem is how it is seen by others: she can't be fully herself and wear what she wants because she is judged so she has to think about putting back a bras when interacting with others people. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic_zephy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 3 hours ago, yusefull said: I truly wonder when SH realise that JH liked him. It could be episode 10 when she say it and he just choose to not hearing it. when he shouted and asked her.. at the bus stop . does she like him why.. because remember how excited she was when she asked him to marry her? and she started falling for him since ep 2..whcih we already know 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dramanoona Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I told myself everyone must be gif-ed out over this scene. But... I love the conversation they had by the sea. And take note future actors and actresses - this is how you kiss.... not on the chin, the nose but on the lips. 10 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusefull Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, enigmatic_zephy said: when he shouted and asked her.. at the bus stop . does she like him why.. because remember how excited she was when she asked him to marry her? and she started falling for him since ep 2..whcih we already know She begin episode 1 when she meet him and she even kissed him. She wouldn'd have kiss anyone, she choose him. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic_zephy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, lmyra said: Why should women always wear bras ? du'oh.. read entire thing.. its not about women wearing bras... its about not wearing with the intention of showing the breasts.. why do you want to show your breasts to men who are lusty? either you take some thrill in that? Why is it worse to see the nipples of a woman than the nipples of a man through a white skirt? i have no intentions of seeing a man's penus in a transparent white pant which if gets wet..will show everything Comparing being braless for a woman with wearing transparent pants for men is not well balanced. If men can wear transparent pants, women should have the same rights. How is it not?.. you really need to read the paragraph again Why is it so commonly accepted shirtless men in streets when a woman is insulted because she is braless although she wears a shirt ? again read the paragraph again.. you are on a different track It is not a statement, it is a personal preference and yes that's freedom: she does not like wearing a bra, she wants to wear a white shirt...why not ? The problem is how it is seen by others: she can't be fully herself and wear what she wants because she is judged so she has to think about putting back a bras when interacting with others people. First read the paragraph again because you are talking about something that nobody in this forum has said or is the point of debate. Next, if you want to use personal preference as an excuse to do anything then well... let's go with that.. its alright for those men wearing trenchcoats to moonlight, its alright for anyone to roam around naked.. go to office , go to restaurants, its alright for someone to keep forcing his gf into kisses and sex..because its his type to have a passionate ** if the girl can't take it she is free to dump and move on... Someone likes to talk rudely, let them..its their style.. why do we want polite speech to begin with? So, this personal preference is applied only when your preferences respect society's sentiments too. Now these sentiments don't mean dogmatic practices, but something which does not make ohter uncomfortable on purpose , who have done nothing to you to deserve it in the first place 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherryblossomkawai Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 25 minutes ago, kelmaoneko said: But if that's JiHo's back, she's wearing a different coat. So that must be a different day from their date. No she is wearing the same clothes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic_zephy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 minute ago, yusefull said: She begin episode 1 when she meet him and she even kissed him. She wouldn'd have kiss anyone, she choose him. maybe.. he was the one who comforted her @ end of a very bad day 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dramanoona Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I don't like to condemn anyone but try to understand from the character's perspective. For HR, it may be a case that getting married is not as great as she thought it was. When she and WS were lying in bed, it looks like both of them were miserable. HR - getting her dream and WS giving up his own dream. Some may argue it's compromise, some may argue that it has been unfair for HR, some may say that WS should do what makes him feel happy... In a relationship, you try to do your best, you try to be happy yourself and make your other half happy too but it doesn't always turn out the way you wish. It may be at this point that WS and HR (who have been together for 7 years) to take a break from each other. HR may realise what she is doing is making WS miserable and a decision has to be made. In this episode, I loved SG. Yes, he was overreacting to SJ's braless situation - but as he said - try to understand from his perspective. This perspective may not strike a chord with the viewers but that's his character speaking. As a woman, I also wished to go braless when possible but due to comments and thoughts (similar to SJ's colleagues - both male and female), I am not as confident as SJ. Does going braless lead one to conclude you are of bad character? Does choosing who you want to sleep with (mind you, this is different from sleeping around) make you a nymphomaniac or a much worst word used to describe women who have sex? I loved how SJ turned the tables on her male colleagues. I feel she is more confident and stronger now. And I love how SG understands her and doesn't condemn her. PS. And a guy who would buy many bras for you - kudos to SG! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherryblossomkawai Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 In HR/WS, both are responsable for their relationship. They are starting to realize things : -HR is aware WS isn’t following his dream. He couldn’t save or maybe he didn’t even think to save -WS didn’t fully register the amount of HR sacrifice. She is the one who supports both of them financially and emotionally. They were both selfish. HR never talked about what she dreamt of in a long term relationship WS didn’t bother to ask what she wants. He assume she only wanted him to succeed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyunsangtrash Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 What's the title of the poem used in ep 11 again? I was trying to find it here in the forum but there are just waaaay too many posts about the kiss I gave up on backreading hahahaha thanks chingus! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelflower Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 hour ago, meiil said: 깊은 첫 키스 후 새벽차를 타고 집으로 돌아온 지호(정소민)와 세희(이민기) 각자 방으로 향하는 발걸음이 너무나 아쉽고, 지호는 30년 만에 처음으로 느껴보는 뜨거운 '몸의 열망'과 마주하게 되는데...! 호랑(김가은)과 원석(김민석)은 관계에 심각한 균열이 생겼음을 느낀다. 결국 원석이 먼저 허심탄회한 진심을 털어놓는데, 호랑은 하늘이 무너지는 기분이다. 과연 둘은 결혼에 골인할 수 있을까...? 지호와 세희의 첫 데이트. 결혼반지를 생략한 것이 마음에 걸렸던 세희는 지호에게 귀걸이를 선물하고, 화장실에서 설레는 맘으로 귀걸이를 차 보던 와중 묘령의 여인의 도움을 받는 지호. '근데 뭐지? 그녀의 숨결과 손길에 떨리는 이 기분은...? 욕구불만이라, 미쳤나...?!' Thanks for the Korean written preview! Let me see if I can make it clearer... Written Preview for Ep 12 Translation After a deep first kiss, JH and SH return home on the overnight bus. Each reluctantly heads to their own room. JH finally faces her physical desires for the first time in 30 years! Serious cracks are showing in HR and WS’s relationship. Finally, WS lays down his thoughts candidly, which makes HR’s feel as if the sky fell down. Will the two of them be able to get married? JH and SH have their first date. The fact that they saved on wedding rings bothers SH and he presents JH with earrings instead. JH heads to the washroom to put it on excitedly and receives help from a young lady. “But what is this? Why does her breath and touch feel uneasy... Am I just frustrated or have I gone mad?” Feel free to clarify if there’s any mistakes! 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastheart Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Will we see a scene where JH put the medicine patches on shirtless SH? 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusefull Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, fastheart said: Will we see a scene where JH put the medicine patches on shirtless SH? You think that JH heart can take it at that point ? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icyphoenix Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 HR n WS soo cute.. I don't know if it's posted or not.. Hope in the show they also have happy ending 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tianaa Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 JiHo:Because This Is My First...No Second KIss 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiil Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, angelflower said: Thanks for the Korean written preview! Let me see if I can make it clearer... Written Preview for Ep 12 Translation After a deep first kiss, JH and SH return home on the overnight bus. Each reluctantly heads to their own room. JH finally faces her physical desires for the first time in 30 years! Serious cracks are showing in HR and WS’s relationship. Finally, WS lays down his thoughts candidly, which makes HR’s feel as if the sky fell down. Will the two of them be able to get married? JH and SH have their first date. The fact that they saved on wedding rings bothers SH and he presents JH with earrings instead. JH heads to the washroom to put it on excitedly and receives help from a young lady. “But what is this? Why does her breath and touch feel uneasy... Am I just frustrated or have I gone mad?” Feel free to clarify if there’s any mistakes! Each reluctantly heads to their own room... He gifts her earrings...aaaah this looks so god! Oh yeah the ex shows up too but whatever! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic_zephy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 25 minutes ago, Dramanoona said: I don't like to condemn anyone but try to understand from the character's perspective. For HR, it may be a case that getting married is not as great as she thought it was. When she and WS were lying in bed, it looks like both of them were miserable. HR - getting her dream and WS giving up his own dream. Some may argue it's compromise, some may argue that it has been unfair for HR, some may say that WS should do what makes him feel happy... In a relationship, you try to do your best, you try to be happy yourself and make your other half happy too but it doesn't always turn out the way you wish. It may be at this point that WS and HR (who have been together for 7 years) to take a break from each other. HR may realise what she is doing is making WS miserable and a decision has to be made. In this episode, I loved SG. Yes, he was overreacting to SJ's braless situation - but as he said - try to understand from his perspective. This perspective may not strike a chord with the viewers but that's his character speaking. As a woman, I also wished to go braless when possible but due to comments and thoughts (similar to SJ's colleagues - both male and female), I am not as confident as SJ. Does going braless lead one to conclude you are of bad character? Does choosing who you want to sleep with (mind you, this is different from sleeping around) make you a nymphomaniac or a much worst word used to describe women who have sex? I loved how SJ turned the tables on her male colleagues. I feel she is more confident and stronger now. And I love how SG understands her and doesn't condemn her. PS. And a guy who would buy many bras for you - kudos to SG! Its the age old problem.. if someone is not feelign confident and you keep pestering them about something, that person is goign to start hating you.. WS feels his incapability to have made it big professionaly and HR for her own reasons is askign for marriage. I would not have had a problem with that.. but HR is too loud.. and as a girlfriend we have seen in ep 1 itself.. that this is her habit.. she always creates drama, breaks up.. he has to pacify her... remember what SJ kept telling her ... HR is also working full time, she is tired, she is supporting herself and WS.... she is also not happy because she doesn't think she is successful.. the man he married (engineer) was meant to earn and take care o fher... but she is doing it.. in this if WS keeps harping about no marriage , she is going to doubt committment.. so never pester 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sereneandin Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 "After a deep first kiss" hehehe... I wonder what the script said.. did it also state a deep first kiss? ok writer-nim, I get it this one is 'a deep first kiss' and then there will be 'a first french kiss' then 'a 50 shades of grey kind of kiss' or what? *smirk *now I hope TVN will release the BTS of the kiss scene 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherryblossomkawai Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I never saw French kissing in a korean drama....or i don’t remember. The best kisses imo were in YEH’s dramas like Goong/Princess Hours or Coffee Prince. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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