[Drama 2017] Black 블랙

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12 hours ago, nateko said:

But then there was also the scene in the hospital, where Black wondered why his heart was beating so fast when Soo Wan was near him. So clearly MG's heart was still working fine at that moment. Besides, if the body of the deceased would really die and decompose with time (quite a short one), then there wouldn't be dead spirits trying to inhabit a dead person's body and there wouldn't be Death Squad for searching for those spirits, who desided to live a human life. Maybe since Black is a grim reaper inhabiting a human body he just reeks of death itself. Maybe that's what the dog sensed.  

 

There is no doubt that MG was dead--heart stopped beating and his spirit is in the afterlife. This may be a case of the Princess Bride of "almost dead, but not dead. Quasi dead". I could accept this from PB because it's historical with no modern machinery, however, MG was in the morgue..... Black, because he is an original, may have the power to bring back the dead by inhabiting the body.  This drama just does not connect the dots.....maybe it will later.

[larus]

I have a question. The killer injected that yellow substance twice already. It made him weak/ sick but Black did not die. But Moo Gang`s body with Black inside can die. Why Black did not die then? Obviously,  Grim Reaper, taking the body of Moo Gang, made that body stronger but just a violent death could kill the body a second time? 

[scarletlover1]

I came up with a weird theory! I'm betting that Black's partner is in the dog! I remember SML mentioning that he was told his dog would die soon like a month or so? Now Black never said if a Grim Reaper could enter a dead animal. I think SML said that his dog has been acting different and it's the less obvious place anybody would look! And I love the Reapers dynamic! Hope we also continue to see more of Kim Tae Woo!

[RPM]

2 minutes ago, larus said:

I have a question. The killer injected that yellow substance twice already. It made him weak/ sick but Black did not die. But Moo Gang`s body with Black inside can die. Why Black did not die then? Obviously,  Grim Reaper, taking the body of Moo Gang, made that body stronger but just a violent death could kill the body a second time? 

Definitely some bond between black and MG formed and becoming strong and strong by the time. And because black is supernatural being his powers support the body at some points.

It's too obvious both are connected or having some connection between them whether brotherly or something else.

At some point I m also thinking in some fantasy drama aur movies when A supernatural being try to inhabited in human body there was a condition of soul matching or something else (If anyone know about oh my ghostess drama - that ghost girl only inhabited in one girl with her matching compatibilities, I don't much remember. .... ) So that kind of situation might be possible if there is no blood or brotherly relationship. 

[RPM]

3 minutes ago, scarletlover1 said:

I came up with a weird theory! I'm betting that Black's partner is in the dog! I remember SML mentioning that he was told his dog would die soon like a month or so? Now Black never said if a Grim Reaper could enter a dead animal. I think SML said that his dog has been acting different and it's the less obvious place anybody would look! And I love the Reapers dynamic! Hope we also continue to see more of Kim Tae Woo!

Yeah you have point dog may be possible but if that's the case he don't dare to bite oppa black or if he doesn't know oppa black is 444 than still it doesn't seem right he bite a human.

Yeah I too want Ajusshi black (Kim tae woo)more more.....falling for both black.❤

 

On other note Dog can sense supernatural being isn't it....I have watched some movies dog can sense presence of ghost and start barking. .....lol

[Lady_Fay]

 

I finally found the time to check out ep 04 with subs and I'm once again loving it. The writer surely had a grand scheme in mind when he/she set up the story. I love how every episode is revealing some more details and layers of the complex story - it's almost like peeling an onion one layer at a time.

 

I also enjoyed reading all of your theories and assumptions you came up with after watching ep 04. May I add another one that crossed my mind while watching ep 04?

 

We learned from Man Soo that Mujin’s head of police Jae Geun is a very good friend of his father and therefore a VVIP client to Royal insurance. We also learn that his father seemed to be involved in many shady things as Man Soo’s older brother is telling us when swearing at his ill father in the hospital room and how he was the one trying to clean up after all the mess his father created. So that makes me wonder why a former police officer, now head of police of such a small city like Mujin knows some upper class guy like Man Soo’s father and how he could achieve his current position so early on as he tells his former colleague he is the youngest ever to hold this position.
So my theory would be the following: Man Soo’s father was already involved with Chunsu Insurance as it was called way back than and also in at least one of the incidents happening in Mujin. I don’t know yet how he could be involved in the collapse of the mall unless he also had a construction business that used inferior and cheap materials to save money and make more profit but that’s not my main theory right now.
For now I assume that his father thought of himself as a womanizer but in reality he may have had something for younger girls. So maybe he got involved in the shady business such the porn auditions or as the tapes of the girls could have been used to blackmail the girls into an even more tricky situation - they could have been forced to prostitute themselves and one of the older men they were set up with is the father. So after one of the girls (Soo Wan) went amok and got hold of at least one of the tapes (her own) the father could have asked his own shady right-hand man to clean up after his mess and at the same time bribe the former police officer to clear the situation from within the police before it got public. So the reason why the police commissioner is now recognizing the bad guy Jin Soo was meeting is because he may have worked within (or was forced to work with him by Man Soo’s father) 20 years ago. And after knowing the name of victim being Jin Soo he connected her to the old case of the minor girls that were forced to participate in porn and to prostitute themselves.

 

@bebebisous33 I loved reading your theory about Haram's father being an pure (upper class) grim reaper falling in love with a human and history repeating itself with 444/black falling for Haram. If your guess is correct and mine of Man Soo's dad being involved in the incidents in Mujin as well than the whole back story may be about the fathers' sins and how they influenced the lives of those around them.

 

@scarletlover1 - I love your theory about Man Soo's dog and his abilites. By the way that reminds me - you asked about a character relation chart a few days ago. I found one today but can't seem post it here. You find it over there. Maybe @stroppyse could help translating the most important points for us.

 

[MadraRua]

 

@Lady_Fay

 

You found the relationship chart.. Thank you so much  Now who's the mystery woman that connects the Crazy Dog and Black?

 

 

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[ocean90]

It's the first time that I watch a crime, thriller mystery drama that I can't help myself from thinking about the characters' relationships and make such theories.. I think "I'm glued" in this drama so far...

I also enjoyed reading theories here and sometimes, I get to think that somehow it is possible..

 

I also agree to someone who said in this forum that "Haram didn't see the shadow in Moogang because it will appear later on when he is close to his death or something triggers it... " 

It was shown in ep 4 where the boy she saw in the store did not have the shadow right away but the shadow appeared in the police station before the parents came in to fetch their son. And also the shadow appeared later on to that vvip head of police that HaRam follows because he is close to his death when he investigated SooJin's death.

 

Going back in the episode 1, we see that HR meddling in the fate of a person who has a shadow can be changed but someone will take the place of that man's fate like HMG being the hostage instead..

(that's why she felt guilty..she thinks that she put someone in danger to save another life.)

 

But wait! in ep 4, when Black investigated it, and talked to the soldier (gunman/kidnapper ) ..it was actually a plan! and Moo gang knew that soldier because he met him in the mall or even talk to him ( probably that's my understanding in the drama.)

 

Now I got confused!! ( haha)

Can someone explain it to me? 

'Cause in the scene where HaRam went back to her vision, she heard two gunshots.. then there's two people who's going to die at that time? did it happen on the same time? 

how did it happen?

( the explanation in the drama is kinda blurry to me. So please someone explain it to me 

 

The one thing I am relieved of is that I'm now sure that  Haram can actually save someone from dying unjustly..

 

However, Moogang got killed..

 (but hoping his soul will come back to his body since it is still alive because GR 444 is inside)

[Veronica Park]

K-Drama Reaction: Black | Episode 3

Oooh, so there are two types of grim reapers according to this episode: the first ones are the pure descents of the upper world who are born as grim reapers, while the second ones are the humans who committed suicide and are turned into grim reapers as their punishment. Almost the same with Goblin, right? Although here in Black, grim reapers still remember their lives as humans, a situation that often hinders them in performing their task to collect souls of the dead.

 

 

THE CHOSEN ONE

 

We’re now enlightened on why the grim reaper chose to occupy Han Moo-gang’s (Song Seung-hun) body. We’ve known this grim reaper as 444 (Kim Tae-woo). Wait, what? I thought his name is Black? Confusing! So, Grim Reaper 444 is after a runaway grim reaper (actually his partner who belongs to Category 2), and being a detective in his human form will be of great help for him to track down his target fast. He should catch the runaway grim reaper ASAP or else he would be punished by the Death Squad for failing to look after him. Truth is I’m hoping that Moo-gang can still be saved because I feel so bad that he and Kang Ha-ram (Go Ara) will just end whatever beautiful childhood memories that they have that way. I also want Moo-gang to finish the investigation that he’s doing, which I believe has something to do with Yoon Soo-wan (Lee El). But I know my wish is impossible to happen because what else can bring a dead person back to life other than a miracle?

 

Read the full review:

K-Drama Reaction: Black | Episode 3

 

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[alekaonu]

22 hours ago, saanjh sena said:

 

Ajusshi black /real black ----Kim tae woo

김태우

 

Annyeong @saanjh sena thanks for your reply. I immediately searched for him in Dramawiki. OMG no wonder I never seen him before because from the list of his previous dramas.....I never watched any one of them . Oh yes, I enjoyed all the pics you shared here too. Thanks.

After Black, I will remember him. I have seen his younger brother before.

Kim Tae Hoon I like his dimples. Saw him in Angry Mom, Reply 1988 and Lookout.

 

Wow @bebebisous33 chingu as usual your detailed analysis about Black is very interesting and I have enjoyed reading it. I finished Ep4 last night and got nothing to post here as all has been said by all the chingus here already. Looking forward to next episode.

[RPM]

[Mari95]

At the beginning of episode 4, GR said that GR could see the other GR and human couldn't. But why GR444 need HR to see the runaway GR? Why HR can't see black shadow in MG? when he was hospitalized, MG did not use black jacket. 

[bebebisous33]

@Lady_Fay @icyphoenix@saanjh sena @larus @vangsweetie637@evie7 @jongski @alekaonu @fans123 @UnniSarah Actually, I have been watching the second episode again and after knowing all the things about the circumstances why 444 took possession of HMG's body, it definitely makes sense why HMG/Black would try so often to leave the hospital. and why we had all these scenes with him acting like a pervert. The first time, he collapses near the hospital as his body is so weakened by the injury. As soon as he felt better, he wants to leave again the hospital. Yet this time he wants to use the tools of the grim reapers: the doors hence he opens the fridge door but he is caught by Ha Ram. Latter he wants to do it with the sews but HR is still by his side and she is wondering about his intentions. That's when he realizes that he needs to act like a human: he runs and takes the bus. All this time, Black/444 was under time pressure, as he wanted to find his partner as soon as possible. He is on a mission. But the more he tries to resolve his problem, the more burdens he gets hence he decides to act like HMG. Besides, in the second episode, we see him looking for something: the glass ball is in the pocket of the jacket. Now, we know what the glass ball means. IT announces the next death. Then we can better understand why he didn't even bother to get dressed properly as he had no intention to remain for a long time in HMG's body.  Why should he bother about human rules and good manners ? He doesn't see the need to. Finally, we also understand why he was able to survive the first poisoning as he has supernatural powers.

Furthermore, I finally understand this scene because now we can put it better in the context.

He went to the police station, asked for the address of the deceased's mother which was given by Oh ST. Then he goes immediately there and tells her that he is tailing her. We got a clue here, when she says that HMG reminds her of her late son. Black knows that his partner was attached to his mother, so he thinks that he will look for her. When the minion from the loan shark company pops up, he believes that the son in the body of someone else is visiting his mother because she goes to an alley and gives him money. But 444 is wrong. Then this gesture makes totally sense now: . He is looking for the grim reaper's sign therefore he gets aware of his mistake. He really thought, he could find his partner very quickly but he got caught up in the human world.  When I watched it for the first time, I thought, it was to underline the contrast between the two personalities: HMG and the grim reaper 444/Black. But I was wrong in the sense that the writer had put more thoughts into this. Hence this drama is something that you should watch again after knowing everything because you understand more the evolution. 

@alekaonu Thanks for the compliment!!

[icyphoenix]

@bebebisous33 I m too planning to watch it again this weekend after ur analysis.. I guess it's a pleasure to read your analysis everytime..i feel the writer has first scattered many dots away confusing us.. Now he is joining the dots together to give us a clear image.. I guess this explains the wild behavior of Black/444 Now.. I think when he first occupied the body he wanted to use his powers plus get rid of the use of human body which he detests much.. 

Gotta surely re-watch it.. 

[bebebisous33]

14 hours ago, icyphoenix said:

@bebebisous33 I m too planning to watch it again this weekend after ur analysis.. I guess it's a pleasure to read your analysis everytime..i feel the writer has first scattered many dots away confusing us.. Now he is joining the dots together to give us a clear image.. I guess this explains the wild behavior of Black/444 Now.. I think when he first occupied the body he wanted to use his powers plus get rid of the use of human body which he detests much.. 

Gotta surely re-watch it.. 

Yes, that's exactly what I have been thinking and this proves to me that the author has already planned the whole story till the end. By the way, thanks a lot for appreciating my analysis because this  means that all my efforts weren't in vain. I have just finished watching the episode 2 for a second time and this time, I paid more attention to details. First of all, the killer of the director of the Hope Mental Hospital is definitely receiving help from someone very powerful (money and connection). First he had a fake name, Kang Bong Gyu, but all the other documents about him were fake. Besides, there was no DNA left, although he had lived for quite some time. Finally later we hear that all the records have been deleted. This man could never do such a work on his own. So he has helpers or he receives help from his "employer".

  When he murdered Kang Soo Hyuk, he had the spider tattoo on his hand. Ha Ram recognised him due to that spider tattoo. But when the nurse described the killer called Kang Bong Gyu, she said that he had a scar on his cheek with the form of a hook but he had a burn scar on his hand. This means that the scar on his face occurred later with this incident:

This seems to indicate that the murderer with the spider tattoo had to burn his scar in order to get rid of the tattoo. Hence this picture where there is no tattoo: cr. to @saanjh senaBlack mentioned that he was an hired assassin and as such, he would be identified soon if he had kept the tattoo. Striking is that his tattoo resembles a lot the sign of the grim reaper on the neck:So maybe back then, he could have been the minion of the grim reaper who decided to possess a human body and hide in the human world. In my opinion, the grim reaper could have worked with another grim reaper hence this murderer is so cruel . A clue is the way he killed the director. He wanted to torment her, have her painful death. This would explain why Ha Ram's father got killed. He didn't think, he would meet another grim reaper. When his job was done and the former grim reaper didn't feel threatened any more, the killer decided to keep working as hitman. Nevertheless, I believe that he must have found a new employer. That way, we could get a connection between the two stories: the search of a grim reaper in the human world and the incidents in Moojin (the sex tapes, the collapse of the building aso) which are connected to Chunsu insurance.

 

We have speculated so far that Ha Ram is the daughter of a grim reaper. But now, I would like to add more to the theories I have made so far.

• Kang Soo Hyuk entered a human body in order to look for his partner, the human grim reaper who looked into the eyes of the woman who loved her husband. From my point of view, he is a human grim reaper as he has still feelings.
• Then I noticed that HR went to the place, where the husband and the wife were seen before the accident. In my opinion, KSH looked for him there hence he spent his time there. But the search for him wasn't easy. While living as a human, he fell in love with HR's mother. When she got pregnant, KSH was surprised as he didn't expect it. I can imagine that could be the time, when he decided to reveal his secret to his wife. This would fit her words: "Everything was wrong. That day at that place, KSH had to die. Every single thing that happened including falling in love with him and giving birth to you". Since he was a grim reaper, she expected his death as in the first place, he wasn't supposed to live in the human world therefore she never looked for the reason of his death. She saw it as an expected punishment for defying the rules of the underworld.
• Furthermore, this theory gives us a possible answer why HR's father wasn't afraid of the shadow. As he was a grim reaper, he thought, he could survive... but in my opinion, the longer a grim reaper lives in the human world, the more he becomes a human. At the end, there is a real fusion and the grim reaper loses his supernatural powers.
• Because her mother knew about the true nature of her husband, she left him and her daughter as she felt frightened. Death is definitely seen as curse. 
• From my point of view, the injured husband  looks a lot like the stepfather of HMG therefore I believe that he is the former human grim reaper. Let us imagine that he knew that when he took the body of the injured husband, he had to leave the place in order to make sure that his former partner would never find him. Hence he went to Seoul. 
• What also caught my attention was that HR had never met Joon's mother in her childhood. She said surprised that she was his mother from Seoul. So in my opinion, the locations Seoul and Moojin play a huge part. This makes me ask these following questions:

1. Why did Joon spend time far away from his mother for a long time?
2. Then why did she take him back with her?

• Then we see that the killer had received another order, he had to do something to Joon and the other boy. I am suspecting an usurpation of identity because HMG is called by HR Joon due to the bracelet and the words he told her. This makes us wonder if the other boy was called Han Moo Gang. If so, then this signifies that he died and HMG/Joon was trying to discover the whole truth about his death.

Okay, this is it for today. I think, I could write much more but now it is bed time. Let me know about what you think... Love to get some feedback and even more ideas.

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[UnniSarah]

@bebebisous33...... Nice theory chingu.   Now lets discuss the Oh Man Soo's dog. It seems the writer found a way to connect all the major  players in Episode 2.  Man Soo's dog is a descendant of the Grim Reaper dog. Who would have ever suspected that?  Man Soo's dog attacked HMG because of his genes or is it due the big buy upstairs. Man Soo's father is connected to the accident that occured 20 years ago and his eldest son is trying to cover it up. I wonder,  does the eldest son give the orders to have these witneses killed or order the hit man to bribe them? Why does the eldest son hate Man Soo so much? How did he become so evil? H

I agree with you chingu about LJ taking HMG's place. I wonder how did HMG die or where is he? I feel the accident happened right after he left Ha Ram. I wonder how and when did LJ finally get his memories back? I don't think he got all his memories because he did no remember HR. I hve one question WHY is it the woman driving LJ in the pas  doesn't look the same as the woman who raised HMG????? I can't post any picture in this forum. I could have sworn the mom look completely different. If I am wrong  I think I will have to rewatch the episode all over again. 

 

36 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

I have just finished watching the episode 2 for a second time and this time, I paid more attention to details. First of all, the killer of the director of the Hope Mental Hospital is definitely receiving help from someone very powerful (money and connection). First he had a fake name, Kang Bong Gyu, but all the other documents about him were fake. Besides, there was no DNA left, although he had lived for quite some time. Finally later we hear that all the records have been deleted. This man could never do such a work on his own. So he has helpers or he receives help from his "employer".

Annyeonghaseyo @bebebisous33....... THe help he is receiving from is from  Royal Isurance/ Chisun Insurace back in the day.  Oh So Tae ---> Is the one behind him. Or it could be HMG's stepfather who is behind it. Or OST and HMG's stepfather could be in it together. Don't forget the Killer ( KBH ) is looking for LJ/HMG to kill him. His piture was left the Hope Mental Hospital. We know KBH is killer or serial killer who has been killing for a long time. smh smh smh 

[bebebisous33]

@UnniSarah Actually, I have the impression that the dog could be connected to the underworld. Interesting is that Oh Man Soo calls him "brother" and has even given him a full name Oh Gip Seo. Maybe he was put under OMS's care for one reason: make sure that death or a grim reaper doesn't get close to OMS. Notice that he bit HMG because he sensed death in him. But there is another detail: he also saved HR's life, when she was about to die. So the dog is next to OMS in order to make sure that he doesn't die.

[vangsweetie637]

Hello my fellow chingus! *hugss* i missed all of you!!

 

I have been away due to being sick but i am now 99% recovered. 1% is still due to my sore throat aftermath. But at least my chills and fever is gone now

 

I will be catching up before the next episodes come hence will be putting up my theories alongside all of you

 

@bebebisous33 @alekaonu @icyphoenix

 

 

But..chingus..it is good to be back and chatting again on here with all of you

 

[UnniSarah]

2 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

@UnniSarah Actually, I have the impression that the dog could be connected to the underworld. Interesting is that Oh Man Soo calls him "brother" and has even given him a full name Oh Gip Seo. Maybe he was put under OMS's care for one reason: make sure that death or a grim reaper doesn't get close to OMS. Notice that he bit HMG because he sensed death in him. But there is another detail: he also saved HR's life, when she was about to die. So the dog is next to OMS in order to make sure that he doesn't die.

@bebebisous33...... Interesting theory chingu, that does make sense. Oh Tae Soo is always abusing his brother and maybe he might try to kill Oh Man Soo. Oh Tae Soo is etremely WICKED & EVIL in my opinion. He is so jealous of his brother and he despise his own father. I hope we find out why he ended up like that. Oh Man Soo does take the dog everywhere he goes. 

I think Oh Man Soo will fall for Ha Ram. He already find her cute and he recorded her acting cute. 

 

@vangsweetie637.... Glad you are feeling better chingu. I too have a cold and have hard time sleeping because I cough to much.  

[ocean90]

@bebebisous33 hi chingu..

I just read all of your analysis and theories and it all have possibilities so far ( love to read those) as well as the other posts here..

Well, I actually having a hard time to catch up with the happenings in the drama (and all the mysteries it throws every episode) because I'm stucked on what happened actually on the day that HMG get killed.. I have rewatched episode 4 about that but ending up being confused again... 

Can you make any theories on who is the (soldier/gunman) that HaRam saw in her vision that killed the man ( whose mother has alzeimers?) and who is the soldier  that killed HMG at the mall? was he a soldier in the first place?

(are they the same killer/hostage taker? ) or different since Haram saw the badge and the watch which is different from her vision

( compared to the soldier they locked up in prison)

Do you think the hostage incident took place at the same time? or not? if it took place at the same time,, then there's two hostages and killer soldiers? 

(I think Haram didn't actually see HMG getting killed ) in her vision because the shadow that she saw was only to the man

( whose mother has alzeimers) and his future death. 

She soon realized it in ep 4 that there were two gunshots and a blood flowing behind her..

when she thinks about it, It was HMG who got shot in the head together with the man..

Can you please make an analysis about this? I just can't move on  to investigate other happenings like I want to settle this first in my mind before going to the next mystery..

I want to know your thoughts...