[Drama 2017] Black 블랙

[icyphoenix]

Watched the 3 episode.. In the introduction, black aka 444 said that he was pure breed that is he is born as a grim reaper.. He characterized two types of GRs 1)born as GRs like him of high breed 2)the souls due to sudden death that's suicide.. If Black was born as a GR than who was the dead body whom he hugged n cried in the deep sea that your me.. So confusing!! Is it coz he forgot his past like he said that if a GR takes someone else body n dies than he wouldn't remember..his memory wud be erased.. The shadow theory by @bebebisous33 I guess was right.. These trio GRs were there at the time of MG's death.. So it was their shadows then.. Black came into MG's body to find his partner who died in front of HR n MG when she predicted he wud see but MG refused to believe.. I liked the way they linked it.. 

in flashback, HR sent the letters to MG only that means he is Joon.. Did he really forget HR?? Or did he have an incident that made him forget his past??.. The boy Whom she scolded after seeing that Joon forgot her was royal insurance guy MS I guess.. 

these three r connected from childhood.. MS's dog bit Black.. As dogs can see ghosts they say.. His breed knows dead  person.. 

I guess royal insurance is somehow related HR's father's death as how cud the records of that particular yr got vanished.. MS got the information of that spider Tattoo guy.. There is S OK nothing fishy around that royal insurance..

I liked the scenes between HR n royal insurance guy MS.. The way he pursued her to work for him.. He looks like a clueless guy.. Poor him.. His brother seems the true devil.. The way he beat him.. Gosh!! 

Black's analysis of the murder n the murder's link with SW.. He was right that the body was to threaten someone that is SW.. An old man was also threatening her.. What does she know abt the murder.. Is this murder n the spider Tattoo guy the same?? The old man also mentioned he is doing the same things like 20 yrs before.. It is somehow related to mujin 'S case that is related to MG n HR.. SW feared that if the call records gets leaked then she wud be gone.. Does the murder contact her?? Does she know what happened before 20 yrs..?? 

MG is already dead n Now HR is also supposed to be dead.. But now Black is gonna use her as an object to find his partner then drag both to after death.. Will MG n HR survive at the end?? Or both will die according to will?? Or will Black go against heaven to save HR?? 

For answers just watch the next episodes.. 

P. S :i liked the way they tuned down the dark humor stuff.. I liked the other grimreapers too.. The banter between them is soo cute lol.. 

 

[lebritneeey]

Just watched the third episode w/ subs! I really liked this episode because it did answer some of my questions. Glad that we are able to see more of real Black in the beginning and the other two grim reaper ajusshis. Laughed a lot at their scenes because they're like so adorable!! (Especially the one where they were watching a drama LOL) 

 

So now we know who Black is looking for! Looks like we have an adventure ahead of us! I am looking forward to more of Black and HR scenes now that he "demand" she sticks with him because he needs her heh. Can't wait for the moment where he eventually fall for her. 

 

Glad to see a little more of Dongjun's character and his dog! The older brother is so mean though, how could he abuse his younger brother? Poor boy!  Looks like the dog is the only one who know about Black's identity heh, but I was wondering what happened when he bit Black? Why was there this glowy thing on his neck? 

 

Can't wait for episode 4!  

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5 hours ago, nona88 said:

 

ah dear something catch my wild thinking in ep 3 when HR go to see the little JOON she saw another child there who asked her " why she crying here" okay call me crazy but i think he live in the same house and i think he the really MG and that JOON really dies when he was a child and my crazy thought that joon was adopted in that family and MG was a child with health problem and that somehow his mother use JOON to save her son ????? okay that crazy and freaking me up i am going to start to think they killed JOON or in some way use his death to save MG life !!!! maybe MG had Transfer heart or something like that !!!!!! okay crazy , i don't like that i had so many times in the past   that my crazy thought was right  

It may be possible but I have a another thought with low possibility may be that little boy was Man soo.

 

Crazy question ______>>>>

If black fall in love with HR.....omo.....then for whom HR fall ---oppa black  (joona/MG) or Ajusshi black 

 

Oppa black 

 

Ajusshi black 

 

I'm totally confused because outside oppa black but inside Ajusshi black...then HR fall for....? joon dead and now become oppa black but his true self is Ajusshi black.....

[lclarakl]

2 hours ago, Mico Ricco said:

The dead man in the car is highly likely Black himself.

 

 

Joon can only die once and not twice, l mean in the same body.

 

The original Joon died because of gun wound in his head.

 

The second time Joon (actually, Black when he was human) died was in a car plunged into the sea, likely murdered because of insurance?

 

But apparently Black thinks he's of the other category of grim reapers, those who have always been a reaper (never human). He said there were two types those who committed suicide who became reapers as punishment and those who were always reaper from inception. 

 

To be honest, the drama isn't very 'logical' and episode 2 slapstick comedy seems so out of place compared to this episode.  However, the writing is confusing and doesn't seems to connect. We have black who showed his fighting skills in ep 2, now in ep 3 watching television shows on how to be a detective and how to fight? Also, if a dead body was found in a freezer, no detective on the top side of this earth would remove the body from it's resting place and put it on a dirty street to examine for evidence--the job of the medical examiner. They would have had the whole, entire freezer taken back to the medical exam for processing. So did the gangsters dump her, or did the detectives? 

 

Apparently grim reapers wear clothes in the 'after life', yet in episode 2 Black didn't seem to care that he was naked and exposed. We have seasoned detectives being outsmarted by Black who watched a TV show to learn how to become a detective. I will say though that death is his expertise so he should know more about that than all of them.

 

Also, it doesn't make sense that she can see a spirt in the boy's body who died but is now possessed, but can't see that Black is possessing MG's body. Worse, it's weird that a grim reaper can't see that the spirit is possessing the boy. 

 

Nothing really makes sense in this drama.

 

 

 

 

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Ajusshi black with oppa joona face now want her to be his side❤

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[icyphoenix]

29 minutes ago, lclarakl said:

 

But apparently Black thinks he's of the other category of grim reapers, those who have always been a reaper (never human). He said there were two types those who committed suicide who became reapers as punishment and those who were always reaper from inception. 

 

To be honest, the drama isn't very 'logical' and episode 2 slapstick comedy seems so out of place compared to this episode.  However, the writing is confusing and doesn't seems to connect. We have black who showed his fighting skills in ep 2, now in ep 3 watching television shows on how to be a detective and how to fight? Also, if a dead body was found in a freezer, no detective on the top side of this earth would remove the body from it's resting place and put it on a dirty street to examine for evidence--the job of the medical examiner. They would have had the whole, entire freezer taken back to the medical exam for processing. So did the gangsters dump her, or did the detectives? 

 

Apparently grim reapers wear clothes in the 'after life', yet in episode 2 Black didn't seem to care that he was naked and exposed. We have seasoned detectives being outsmarted by Black who watched a TV show to learn how to become a detective. I will say though that death is his expertise so he should know more about that than all of them.

 

Also, it doesn't make sense that she can see a spirt in the boy's body who died but is now possessed, but can't see that Black is possessing MG's body. Worse, it's weird that a grim reaper can't see that the spirit is possessing the boy. 

 

Nothing really makes sense in this drama.

 

 

 

 

I think HR's father had said if she wears black goggles she will not be able to see the souls.. Black is always wearing black clother.. She might be not able to see the black shadow within MG's body as the black shuts her eyesight for shadows to be seen.. 

As for the detective scene, I guess the dead body almost fell down from the refrigerator.. People wud have surely removed her to check if she is alive or not.. So that they can send her to hospital or if she is dead, then they can call cops.. So I didn't find it Strange.. 

But yes I found Black's behavior strange at first. Then the other GR told him to act like normal man as he is possessing the human body.. I think it still didn't dawn to him that he was in human world Now.. As for detective shows, he was just seeing them to see the walking n other mannerisms of detective to adapt in the form.. 

In the intro,he said he didn't care abt human feelings or anything.so he must have not seen much of human world.. Plus as he was only present during the death of the victims whose soul he has to take.. He grasped various kinds of murder scenarios which will help him further

[larus]

4 hours ago, shuurei02 said:

First, I'm glad that a lot of questions regarding the grim reapers have been answered in this episode. During the first episode, I actually found it a bit curious that the guy who died in the bridge was talked about quite a bit by the main characters (plus the actor was a familiar face too) so I wondered if he was someone important that I should file for later. Turns out, he'll be 444's partner and the reason why he will inhabit Moo Gang's body. Also, even though Moo Gang's dead, the grim reapers mentioned that his soul is being' locked up' so he is really not dead - dead (and apparently not freely roaming in limbo either). So maybe there'll be a chance that he'll return to his body once 444 has finished his mission.

 

I agree. I am glad we found some answers regarding grim reapers. I also think there is a chance that Moo Gang will return in his body. The grim reapers did not report his soul, they locked him up safetly but it seems Moo Gang`s soul has escapeted?

 

I really enjoyed seing Kim Tae Woo a litlle longer. Hope we`ll see him again at the end of the series. The three Grim Reapers, "partners in crimes", are so funny together. 007 crying over TV show, 416 worrying over everything and 444 so cool, unattached and supercilious.

 

We found out that if a  human body inhabited by a Grim reaper  dies again, the Grim Reaper will forget all the memories he had when he lived in that body. So, it is possible for Ha Ram`s father (the Grim Reaper) to forget about his life on a human body when he died 20 years ago.

 

4 hours ago, shuurei02 said:

As of the moment, I think the most mysterious character for me has become Soo Wan. Her identity and background is so mysterious.

 

 Yes, so many questions regarding her character.  What is the mistery that it is surounding so many deaths? The old man with the scar on his face said that he escaped the mental hospital. He killed the nurse? And he said that he did not kill  Jin Sook but he knew who is the killer.  The killer used the same method to kill as he did 20 years ago. 

 

 

27 minutes ago, icyphoenix said:

The boy Whom she scolded after seeing that Joon forgot her was royal insurance guy MS I guess.. 

I also thought that the boy is Man Soo. What is the connection between Moo Gang and Man Soo? It was just a coincidence that young Man Soo was there? Man Sopo`s brother is a horible man. The way he beat his brother with golf club! That man is deranged. And his insurance company is behind all those crimes.

 

1 hour ago, lclarakl said:

To be honest, the drama isn't very 'logical' and episode 2 slapstick comedy seems so out of place compared to this episode.  However, the writing is confusing and doesn't seems to connect. 

There are things that are confusing but hope the writer will adress all our questions. Like any other drama, the little details are not consistent but I  just want the major problems to be explained. Right now, I want to know why Ha Ram doesn`t see the shadow in Black/ Moo Gang. The humor in this episode was much better for me. Black is learning how to be a detective. I did not found the learning through television to be a problem. 444/ Black knows to fight but he doesn`t know to behave in character. The other Grim Reapers told him that he doesn`t behave properly as a human so he should not draw attention to him. It became a cliche that a non human will learn through television how the human will act. 

 

 

 

[bebebisous33]

1 hour ago, icyphoenix said:

I think HR's father had said if she wears black goggles she will not be able to see the souls.. Black is always wearing black clother.. She might be not able to see the black shadow within MG's body as the black shuts her eyesight for shadows to be seen.. 

As for the detective scene, I guess the dead body almost fell down from the refrigerator.. People wud have surely removed her to check if she is alive or not.. So that they can send her to hospital or if she is dead, then they can call cops.. So I didn't find it Strange.. 

But yes I found Black's behavior strange at first. Then the other GR told him to act like normal man as he is possessing the human body.. I think it still didn't dawn to him that he was in human world Now.. As for detective shows, he was just seeing them to see the walking n other mannerisms of detective to adapt in the form.. 

In the intro,he said he didn't care abt human feelings or anything.so he must have not seen much of human world.. Plus as he was only present during the death of the victims whose soul he has to take.. He grasped various kinds of murder scenarios which will help him further

I agree with you. Black started changing in order to escape the vigilance of the death squad.

 

In my opinion, Ha Ram can't see that the grim reaper Black is in MG's body for the simple reason that Black belongs to the first kind of grim reapers. He is not a human who killed himself and who has kept his memories from his past life unlike the students. He views himself as something better (from the upper world) hence he keeps criticizing the humans. But the more time he will live among humans, the more he will become human in my opinion. What I really like in this story is that while trying to find the grim reaper Ji Dong, Black will be forced to resolve the mystery MG had been investigating and at some point he will realize that this is related to his own death and that he was himself a human once. I believe that the first kind of grim reapers died in a different way. Their memories were erased because they were killed. Notice that Black kills the human grim reaper and says that he won't remember him and what he did. This was the clue that if you are killed, you'll forget your past life. But let us imagine this. If the killed grim reapers had their memories, they would behave differently. With memories of their past life, they might want to get revenge. That's why I have the feeling that Black and all the other grim reapers from the first kind has been lied too. In my opinion, they are put with a human grim reaper in order to learn how to treasure life. By working with a human grim reaper, they see feelings that they don't have: empathy, regret aso. As for the human grim reaper, he learns through the other kind of grim reaper how terrible his action was: he didn't treasure life. But the thing is that once dead, you are not allowed to have human feelings. And this leads us to the prologue of the second episode: when a grim reaper looks in the eyes of a human in love... This rule seems to indicate that grim reapers can feel emotions and feel the need to be loved. They can have desires.

Then it is very likely that the killer with the tattoo on his hand (spider) must be a former grim reaper because of this This symbol reveals his true nature: a grim reaper. This appeared, when the dog attacked him... And in my opinion, the tattoo is a sign that the grim reaper has totally taken the control of the human body. In Black's case, it is different. He only plans to use the human body in order to catch Ji Dong. Besides, I can imagine, the more time passes on, the more the tattoo comes out (like a fusion). But that's my theory.

 

@saanjh sena I had the same thought about the little boy. It must be Man Soo. Another detail caught my attention: what his older brother said to MS. I can't quote it but due to his choice of words, I had the impression that MS doesn't have the same mother than his older brother so that we can say that they are not truly blood related. This would explain why the hyung is so brutal and condescending towards MS, why MS is an outcast in the family and can be used as scapegoat.    

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@bebebisous33 hmm MS definitely not his blood relative or may be adopted but in case some accident cause loss of memories of childhood of MS he doesn't know about his true identity(IF he was that little boy  than how he endup with this family ).

AND what about Ajusshi black and oppa black love for HS....?.....lol....thinking about it every time. 

[shuurei02]

1 hour ago, bebebisous33 said:

@saanjh sena I had the same thought about the little boy. It must be Man Soo. Another detail caught my attention: what his older brother said to MS. I can't quote it but due to his choice of words, I had the impression that MS doesn't have the same mother than his older brother so that we can say that they are not truly blood related. This would explain why the hyung is so brutal and condescending towards MS, why MS is an outcast in the family and can be used as scapegoat.    

 

1 hour ago, saanjh sena said:

@bebebisous33 hmm MS definitely not his blood relative or may be adopted but in case some accident cause loss of memories of childhood of MS he doesn't know about his true identity(IF he was that little boy  than how he endup with this family ).

 

You guys are right. In Man Soo's character description that they released on tving, it is written there that he is an illegitimate child (사생아) .

[lclarakl]

3 hours ago, icyphoenix said:

I think HR's father had said if she wears black goggles she will not be able to see the souls.. Black is always wearing black clother.. She might be not able to see the black shadow within MG's body as the black shuts her eyesight for shadows to be seen.. 

As for the detective scene, I guess the dead body almost fell down from the refrigerator.. People wud have surely removed her to check if she is alive or not.. So that they can send her to hospital or if she is dead, then they can call cops.. So I didn't find it Strange.. 

But yes I found Black's behavior strange at first. Then the other GR told him to act like normal man as he is possessing the human body.. I think it still didn't dawn to him that he was in human world Now.. As for detective shows, he was just seeing them to see the walking n other mannerisms of detective to adapt in the form.. 

In the intro,he said he didn't care abt human feelings or anything.so he must have not seen much of human world.. Plus as he was only present during the death of the victims whose soul he has to take.. He grasped various kinds of murder scenarios which will help him further

 

@icyphoenix, I love the way you try to reason on the possibilities. All of you said may be true, but for me it's not said or depicted in the drama. 

 

I thought that is the reason she has to wear the glasses, so that she won't see the dead. Also, once they are no longer possessing the human, Black can sees them. At the moment, the writing is very disjointed to me; as if the writer is writing each episode independent of the next one except some main themes.

 

The drama is very dark (literally--not much color), there is a mystery around people dying that are connected with the insurance company. I wonder if this drama will end with both her and Black in the afterlife, or him condemned to the underworld. She's supposed to die and I don't think anything can change that.

 

 

[icyphoenix]

1 minute ago, lclarakl said:

 

@icyphoenix, I love the way you try to reason on the possibilities. All of you said may be true, but for me it's not said or depicted in the drama. 

 

I thought that is the reason she has to wear the glasses, so that she won't see the dead. Also, once they are no longer possessing the human, Black can sees them. At the moment, the writing is very disjointed to me; as if the writer is writing each episode independent of the next one except some main themes.

 

The drama is very dark (literally--not much color), there is a mystery around people dying that are connected with the insurance company. I wonder if this drama will end with both her and Black in the afterlife, or him condemned to the underworld. She's supposed to die and I don't think anything can change that.

 

 

Yeah agree to it.. The drama is really dark.. Plus there is no much clarification for soo many things.. It feels disjointed n at a point confusing too.. I m listing out the possibilities.. I too don't know the answers of the questions as of yet.. 

I too feel the drama is gonna have a sad ending as both leads r destined to die.. I m too conflicted abt the ending n the possible answers for the questions we have.. I hope the writers will explain it clearly in further episodes to come.. We can only wait

[nona88]

2 hours ago, icyphoenix said:

Yeah agree to it.. The drama is really dark.. Plus there is no much clarification for soo many things.. It feels disjointed n at a point confusing too.. I m listing out the possibilities.. I too don't know the answers of the questions as of yet.. 

I too feel the drama is gonna have a sad ending as both leads r destined to die.. I m too conflicted abt the ending n the possible answers for the questions we have.. I hope the writers will explain it clearly in further episodes to come.. We can only wait

if they both has to die and then two become togther as grim reapers too   let wait and see i know it maybe not a happy ending but i will wait for the half of the drama to start worry myself i will just tell myself now " forget about "

 

[icyphoenix]

54 minutes ago, nona88 said:

if they both has to die and then two become togther as grim reapers too   let wait and see i know it maybe not a happy ending but i will wait for the half of the drama to start worry myself i will just tell myself now " forget about "

 

Now that wud be fun.. They can grim Reaper s detective club lol.. Yes as u said I m too not gonna get worry.. I will just go by the flow Now lol

[nona88]

23 minutes ago, icyphoenix said:

27 minutes ago, nona88 said:

if they both has to die and then two become togther as grim reapers too   let wait and see i know it maybe not a happy ending but i will wait for the half of the drama to start worry myself i will just tell myself now " forget about "

 

Now that wud be fun.. They can grim resort's detective club lol.. Yes as u said I m too not gonna get worry.. I will just go by the flow Now lol

 

 i like it , dear think about with HR abilty to find the running grim reaper they can open a team that will make the scary " death team"  lose their job ( bye bye for the dogs with human faces )  also  they can make a deal even to stay both a life but in return to work to the as " the grim reaper detective team " so let not worry for now , when  the time come  to be we can be here for each other and worry together

[MadraRua]

Preview for next week

 

[bebebisous33]

@Ais1ing Thanks for the preview of the next episode! IT really looks great, especially when you see that both are now working together.

[icyphoenix]

19 minutes ago, nona88 said:

 

 i like it , dear think about with HR abilty to find the running grim reaper they can open a team that will make the scary " death team"  lose their job ( bye bye for the dogs with human faces )  also  they can make a deal even to stay both a life but in return to work to the as " the grim reaper detective team " so let not worry for now , when  the time come  to be we can be here for each other and worry together

Yup surely.. That can be for season 2 of the show lol..i guess let's stop worrying n be crazy

[Blizzardistkaputt]

I really enjoy watching Black make intelligent statements which bring us closer to eliminating the ??????? in our heads.

This is not a fast-paced drama but film editing makes it look like one. From one scene it skips to another and another,and the cycle repeats itself.Frankly, I am going dizzy and confused.

I find it tiresome to watch the female lead....I cannot pinpoint the reason.Was it the director's fault to make her do merry-go-round in every scene or was the character supposed to be gifted and dumb at the same time or was it the actress's portrayal?

End of my gouch

[MadraRua]

Subs are out on Viu

 

 

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Has anyone noticed the similarities with The Adjustment Bureau? They too use doors to travel to other places and bemoan the fate that falls to those caught going against the plan? Or the chairman of the bureau as they call it?