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[Drama 2018] Mr. Sunshine, 미스터 션샤인 - Winner of Critics’ Choice Award for Drama category

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2 hours ago, mistergenie said:

Now they are hating on AeShin since they knew the ship of Dong Mae and Ae Shin isnt going to sail. 

 

Glad I stopped reading their reviews after Episode 6.

 

Hi, new Soompier here!  I find Mr. Sunshine to be one of KES' best (if not the best), well-written, ambitious works.  And the cinematography and character backgrounds are beautifully-shot, well-paced, and on-point given the (inaccurate, according to K-nets) tragic historical context of the impending Japanese annexation and colonization of Joseon Korea.

 

Now, I'll concede that the early episode recaps found in Dramabeans contained rabid, pointless arguments about the whole "I can't support the AS/EC relationship due to the huge age gap" and/or "AS is a b**** for snubbing the more attractive, age-appropriate, brooding DM" nonsense.  I mean, AS (and KTR, for that matter) is an adult, not a minor; and EC (aside from a momentary relapse in almost proceeding to "do love with AS" out of revenge towards HS' family) has not shown any inclination of taking advantage of AS' feelings, status, etc.  And, ever since the tumultuous encounter between child AS and child DM, neither AS and DM really knew the other beyond their social class and occupation (AS as a  secret "Joseon independence fighter" at night; DM as a ruthless mercenary for the Japanese gang) to forge any real alliance or connection even before EC's return to Joseon from the U.S.  So it makes no sense that AS unprecedentedly harbor any romantic feelings for DM just because DM is a tragic character with a brutal family mistreatment at the hands of the Joseon people.  Likewise, DM's "attraction" (or obsession, more likely) for AS stems from a conflicted love/hate sentiment over AS' social background as a noblewoman and, until EC's arrival, did not factor  in AS's nightly fights for Joseon independence.  Right now, AS and DM still have yet to understand each other's stance in Joseon, whereas AS and EC have already established a mutual relationship after having gotten to know the other's past, background, etc.

 

That being said, I'm rather offended that the recent Dramabeans episode recaps, including Ep. 15, are being decried in this Soompi thread as a place for hating AS just because AS/DM won't happen.  Based on my viewings of those recent recaps, the ongoing frustration towards AS is not so much about the lack of AS/DM but more on AS's lack of evolved character growth/cause for fighting for Joseon independence compared to EC, HS, and even DM.

 

Think about this: EC, DM, and HS (and HN and even the treacherous Wan Ik) have  valid reasons for forsaking Joseon as their mother country, be it vile mistreatment by the Joseon people for their social backgrounds regardless of marital status (i.e., DM's butcher father could only continue working while DM's mother was being raped, while HS's grandfather planned on whoring out his slave,  EC's mother, for political advancements).  Yet, despite (or perhaps because of) these personal tragedies, EC, DM, and HS eventually saw Joseon as a nation with people whose lives are at stake and thus decided to stay in Joseon and protect Joseon from the (sadly inevitable) Japanese rule.  Sure, it mainly started with their interest in AS and her (ideal) cause for fighting against the Japanese rule and general social norms as a Joseon noblewoman.  But ultimately, EC, DM, and HS find their own ways of getting more involved with the Resistance Army's (RA's) movements.

 

But what has AS been doing, ever since EC called out on AS' naive stance on Joseon independence and asked her if her Joseon will fight for the rights of the butchers, slaves, and others of lower social status?  Not only has AS be more single-mindedly daydreaming about having some future with EC (to the point of running away with EC to the U.S. and leaving behind Joseon and its citizens she allegedly vows to protect), she has partaken in even less movements with the RA in fighting for Joseon (apart from almost following the potter Eun San's foolish orders in shooting down EC as a traitor to RA).  During those 10 years of training with Seung-gu (with the begrudging blessings of AS's grandfather despite his outward admonishments towards her acting "unladylike" such as breaking off the long-awaited family engagement with ES for potentially eloping with an American soldier/former slave EC), not once did AS venture outside to observe or understand the everyday lives of Joseon people who are not from the noble class- which, by the way, would have given AS more insight on why people like EC, DM and even Wan-Ik would dare turn their backs on Joseon out of trauma and/or resentment over their past misgivings in the hands of the Joseon people themselves.

 

If AS really were to run away from Joseon as a noblewoman, even if she partook in RA movements in Shanghai, China and other places outside Joseon, she would be nowhere close to further understanding the plight of the Joseon people of any social backgrounds who couldn't escape and must suffer the oppression and atrocities of Japanese colonization for the next 30-40 years, let alone figuring out how to repair Korea in a way that would protect the rights of all its citizens once the Japanese rule ended.  Yes, I get that, like EC and any other people/characters, AS should be able to think about her personal safety and happiness, even if it means escaping the imminent Japanese oppression in Joseon Korea.  However, the problem is that, from the very beginning, AS has been portrayed as both a loud advocate of Joseon independence who flat-out called DM a traitor for working with the Japanese gang, AND a noblewoman who, again thanks to her grandfather, never had to suffer the social injustices that HN, EC's mother,  DM's mother, and other non-noble women faced at the hands of either Joseon or Japanese people.  Since AS is the heroine we're supposed to root for (particularly in a highly sensitive historical context in Korea that Japan, to this day, continues whitewashing in their history textbooks), it would be highly hypocritical of AS to go back on her past actions/words and leave behind Joseon, especially when EC, HS, and even DM plan on staying in and fighting for Joseon.

 

I apologize for the long rant above.  I just wanted to point out that:

1. The majority of comments found in recent, not earlier, Dramabeans recaps of Mr. Sunshine that supposedly "hate" on AS are focused on their frustration over AS' lack of character growth/drive towards fighting for Joseon, not the "sinking" of the (non-existent) AS/DM ship.

2. At this point, AS really needs to reassess her stance on Joseon independence and think of Joseon as a nation with people of all backgrounds whose lives are at stake, not just some ideology, entity, or empty word she's learning in the English alphabetic system.  HS, DM, and EC have (more or less) moved forward from their past traumas in Joseon and sought reasons and ways for protecting Joseon (subconsciously) as a way of reconciling their past and ensuring a more hopeful future for the Joseon people and themselves; why can't AS do that too?

 

Please, KES, please have AS evolve both as a character and in her cause for Joseon independence, even if she were to stay in Joseon with EC, DM, and HS (and HN) as her compatriots during the Japanese colonization.  You have made EC, DM, and HS grow; now it's AS's turn.

 

BTW, if I missed out any plot points or characterizations, please feel free to correct me on those. :sweatingbullets:

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Dejavu on Grandpa Go scene with EC and AS its like Secret Garden all over again ..   Oh i forgot it is  written by same writer my bad... :)

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Kim Tae Ri's cosmetic brand OHUI sends a coffee & snack truck to the filming set last Sunday. As it was raining, the special hot treat truly warms the atmosphere. From the tags, co-stars LBH and KMJ were still filming that day.

 

Photos: coffeewang_on_the_block

 

Regarding DB, I was contemplating whether to continue highlighting the recaps here. But I'm hoping to be as open as possible and remembering that it used to be a great blog from a long time ago. It may not be the same impartial site but a recap by DB is quite a privilege of sorts for MR.SUNSHINE. Imaginable it's quite the task to recap an entire episode twice a week and another task to read through the replies but there are still good positive comments to read. Having been through SLS before, I understand the feeling watching a drama not to our preferences and the frustration of not enjoying it fully as we tend to see what we want to see. It's either we swallow or spit out the bitter aftertaste. It sucks having such a drama within a drama.. maybe that was what the writer intended all along. Strong reaction means it's shaping to be a drama well-written.. hopefully.

 

Perhaps, there's no need to highlight the DB recap here anymore. I think we all know it'll be posted soon after the weekend airing of the episodes. With just 8 more episodes to go.. like the kicka$$ ladies of Joseon and the 3 fanboys, along with the ever-growing RA community ready to defend the nation, let's do the same. 

 

Regarding the elusive "K".. the famously-overlooked alphabet throughout Ae Shin's lessons. Both LBH and KTR are movie actors, who definitely are as professional as can be in their daring roles.. but MR.SUNSHINE is set in a period modest setting.. some 100+ years ago. Maybe a peck of a kiss is all that we'll get but who knows what KES is thinking in EuShin's minds. I thought the longing, gazing and embrace have been well acted out by the star-crossed lovers. But we wouldn't complain if the letter K comes along.. eventually.

 

I hope no one will be too upset.. except to the misleading previews. Please consider this as ramblings of an old school fan-girl. th_bricks.gif

 

Oh @charray I never thought Lee Byung Hun would be 'in' a Bollywood movie th_lmfao.gif.. I watch them occasionally, not a big fan but the dances and songs are always so merry & more! Netflix admin sure knows how to rock & roll the boring weekdays.

 

@KDramaLogic welcome to the drama thread.. you brought a thought-provoking gift. th_wave.gifFans of MR.SUNSHINE really shining bright!

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@KDramaLogic peaceful opinion :)

 

Aeshin grow up (she changed very much from 1st episode, especially recently in connection with RA and her relationship with EC). 

She will not change her rebellious character and certain habits so quickly and she needs more time. She already noticed that Eugene's decisions are thoughtful and calm and many other things but she fight for her man right now. Even DM works for her and I think Lord Go will discover and understand that she protects the family more than he does. Maybe even give her leadership because he getting old and not keeping up with the changes. Eugene become new leader RA when potter resign (many mistakes even though I like him in general). It is time for young people to defend their homeland and people they love.

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1 hour ago, charray said:

 

For fans who are still sad and depressed over the goodbye scene of Eugene and Ae Shin, here’s a tongue in cheek version that will have you rolling on the floor in laughter. No offence to anyone, it’s just for laughs. If you don’t want the scene to be ruined for you irreversibly, please do not click. Haha, you have been warned......:D:phew:

 

 

 

Man, i hated this edit.......this was my favorite scene of the whole ep 16.....just feel not right.

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1 hour ago, KDramaLogic said:

 

Hi, new Soompier here!  I find Mr. Sunshine to be one of KES' best (if not the best), well-written, ambitious works.  And the cinematography and character backgrounds are beautifully-shot, well-paced, and on-point given the (inaccurate, according to K-nets) tragic historical context of the impending Japanese annexation and colonization of Joseon Korea.

 

 


Appreciate the effort, but you should really take a look at the comment section to really understand why they hate on AeShin. 

I disagree about the lack of character evolution of AS that you were talking about. Regarding her RA involvement, you only need to watch EP 15 to observe her growth. The conversation between AS and Eun San, whereby she claimed she knew EC would never harm the RA and especially the potter. And even giving up the chance to take revenge on the man responsible for the death of her parent, to resolve the whole RA vs EC and Joseph's death saga. 

Watch the whole conversation between AS and her grandpa. How she refused to safeguard her own future by getting married. And when grandpa ask for Eugene, she stopped him from doing so knowing EC will get hurt by his grandpa with regard to his slave origin. Wow, a female character taking initiative to protect her love one? This is unlike any past korean drama, whereby woman has always been portrayed as weak and requires protection from their man.

She's readied to live her life alone than betraying her love for EC. 

Lots of review on AeShin has been written in weibo and heaped with praises. Which is why it shocked the hell out of me when AeShin was hated, like literally the only place you can find such comment, which happened to be the hideout of Dong Mae nation aka Dramabean. 

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5 hours ago, mistergenie said:

I'm also wondering if Kim Tae Ri has done any kissing scenes in her previous dramas.

 

:neutral::neutral:

:neutral::neutral:

 

So, who here wants to tell @kingkong72 about The Handmaiden.

 

Son of a gun! That's her? Forgive my lack of knowledge. My secret is out. I'm really a newbie into this Korean dramas. Hahahaha! Now I have to signed off and watch that movie.:astonished: :bawling:

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On 8/28/2018 at 7:36 PM, Seoulmemories said:

Sorry to add a bad news, lee Byung hun together with yoo yeo suk will not attending the celebratory dinner. Oh so sad. Aeshin fan club will not have a get together....

 

Hope they could re-schedule.. or something.. for everyone to attend but it won't be easy. :mellow:

 

August 28, 2018

 

MR.SUNSHINE September 2 Ending Party, Lee Byung Hun unable to attend

 

Source: YTN (Google-translate)

 

'Mission' ending September 2 party ... Lee Byung-Hun · absent from flexible seat schedule

 

On August 28, an official of tvN's hit drama MR.SUNSHINE stated to YTN Star, "After the last scene shot, there will a special dinner to commemorate the last day of filming".

 

MR.SUNSHINE which had been broadcast up to 16 episodes since July, will end with episode 24 on the 23rd of September. As there will be remaining one month until the last airing, a special dinner is being prepared to appreciate the hardworking efforts of all the drama crew and cast.

 

However, due to their pre-scheduled activities, actors Lee Byung Hun and Yoo Yeon Seok are unable to attend the dinner. Co-stars Kim Tae Ri, Kim Min Jung and Byun Yo Han are coordinating their schedule. Kim Tae Ri's additional scenes will be finalized this week as the filming ends.

 

The actors and crew have committed almost a year to the production of MR.SUNSHINE since September 2017 hence it's difficult to gather everyone once the filming ended.

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@KDramaLogic, Welcome to Soompi! 

 

I don't really like pulling another board story here - that wasn't something allowed when I was in different board - I stopped going DB after episode 14, so I cannot comment on recent comments.

 

For your points, I just want to list out some of my thoughts here.

 

1. If this story goes after 1910, Aeshin needs to go out of the country. Almost all RA in Joseon will be killed by Japan around that time. I don't think this drama will go after that, but there's no other way if it goes further. If not, that will be alternative history from then on.

But so far i don't think AS will go, her fantasy sequence with EC is just that.. fantasy of peaceful time, where they can live happily without shame or obstacles like class difference. But we'll see what KES will do.

 

2. HS, DM and EC are all affected by AS in their decisions to stay and fight for Joseon. Honestly speaking, I don't think any of the EC/DM/HS are really thinking about Joseon people or doing this for the great cause of Joseon, they are helping Joseon because of AS. Esp. DM. And that's not a bad thing, isn't it?

 

For AS, she is changing after the EC's talk on the frozen river and after the command to kill EC. She had opened her eyes thru EC's viewpoint. she started questioning her orders and made decision by herself.  Remember they said she always said Yes to any command? To me, AS's change is not just understanding low class hardships , but also personalizing/recognizing what it means to fight for her country and its people for real. and what exactly she's fighting for, which is very relevant question considering current head of RA.

 

Currently RA is just limb of king, extended thru LJM. And LJM is someone who views at things by the King ( and country, for him ). And for LJM and previously Eunsan, there's greater cause(survival of king and country, which are all the same to him) and all can be sacrificed for that. I think we'll see this clash (between greater cause and individual sacrifice) under more heightened threats from Japan in next set of episodes. I was really happy to see inkling of changes in Eunsan in last episode.

 

 

 

 

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@KDramaLogic

Let me ask you - why is Hwang Eun San fighting as the leader of the Righteous Army? What Joseon is he fighting for? I don't see anyone asking him that. Even after being the leader of the RA , he bows and acquiesces to the commands of a nobleman, Lee Jeong Mun. What is Gunner Jang fighting for?  - in his own words, he wants there to be a King in Joseon (and the accompanying social structure) so that one day he might rebel against him - no mention by Gunner Jang of disabling the rigid class system of Joseon - he is only opposed to foreign forces because he deems their interference as a threat to the King. Why is no one holding Gunner Jang to account?

 

Hui Seong has done nothing till now. Nothing for Joseon. He has tentatively started a newspaper to tell stories of people who have been wronged. Will his newspaper eventually end up helping Joseon people? That is for the future to tell.

 

Kudo Hina only helps herself, only protects herself. She is legally Japanese, she is almost untouchable. The only reason she helps out LJM is that he dangles her mother's whereabouts before her as bait. She is already preparing for a helpless Joseon to be taken over - have you forgotten how she is buying properties? The woman is only looking out for herself. And I don't blame her.

 

Dong Mae - He too has done jacks*it for Joseon. He stayed in Joseon to help? No, he came back as a mercenary for hire and revels in the power that position affords him. He doesn't care two hoots about Joseon. If the King's bank certificate had fallen into his hands, he would have given it to Minister Hayashi and collected his reward. Do you remember Lee Wan Ik talking about the bank certificate with Dong Mae? If Dong Mae was truly looking out for Joseon, he would have walked away immediately but he only ever got angry because Lee Wan Ik insulted is butcher status. What else ha Dong Mae done for Joseon? Given candy to a poor boy? The only reason he went to Go Sa Hong is that he is Ae Shin's grandfather - so his motives and moves are purely selfish and not done for the sake of Joseon.

 

Let's talk about Eugene. In his own words: "I don't care about Joseon. I don't care about who rules over Joseon."' His only worry is that the people he cares about live long - The Potter and Go Ae Shin - nothing else. He returned the bank certificate in such a way that his revenge could be accomplished and he later tells Ae Shin that he did it for her.

 

Finally we come to Ae Shin - Yes, she had a very romanticized idea about the fight she has been fighting but her delusion has been broken by Eugene. In the grand scheme of things, Ae Shin's role in the fight of Joseon is like that  of a mouse. She scurries and attacks and scurries back to her cover. Gunner Jang only ever uses her as a weapon to wield - he feeds her information on a need to know basis. He even asks her not to ask too many questions. Ae Shin is as flawed as the next human being - the little she does for the RA, she considers it to be a big contribution -she takes pride in her work (nothing wrong about it)and thinks of herself as a flame (a bit naive) . But i think she has now realized that she is no Joan of the Arc. She wants both things in her life  - fight for Joseon, fight for her love and the freedom to live life on her terms - there is no shame in going away from Joseon so that she could build a life with Eugene and try to carry on the fight from outside.

 

 

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@KDramaLogic I like what you wrote mostly but I think I don't blame AS for not seeing the plight of the lower class.

 

As a noblelady, although she goes for physical training, she must have led a very sheltered life. Since I assume in her household, her slaves must have been kindly and fairly treated, she probably thought everyone does the same thing with their slaves. She probably grew up with a tunnel vision of slaves Are slaves and that's the way society is structured, so she couldn't accept at first that EC was actually a slave by background.

 

Her world is fairly black n white, that's why like what you said she can't see DM beyond his facade. 

 

But I don't blame her, a person is a product of their upbringing, hopefully now that she is older and going out more, she grows to see other perspectives in life.

 

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@kansas424 I think I remember seeing a similar claim about DB being a cancerous site at the comment section. Honestly, if I were to be such commenter, I would claim similarly with Soompi as I have seen and read quite a number of fanatic postings and bashings but thanks and kudos to the mods controlling them before things get really out of hand. Having said that, I am not going to put myself on the same pedestal by making such claim. I refuse to judge people and their preferences. I would rather having the space to discuss why a certain character is flawed in my opinion and why others are more compelling instead of simply accusing the commenters for having views that are evidently in contrast than mine. It is their rights to feel what they feel for any characters or plots. We really should not go to that route. Such attack itself is worst than being cancerous. It just shows how ones can't accept differences in preferences/opinions.  Not everyone can relate with what AS is as of 16 ep than what AS was in the beginning. Many of the commenters are actually rooting for AS as a character from the beginning but until recent eps, some has indicated their frustrations from their observations. And I am among them. And I am also one that root for the supporting roles, DM included. Hence, I will not be backed down by comments like fangirls or cancerous s***. Please have some respect when writing here. I believe all of us here are grown ups. Soompi is not that much different in purpose than DB since it provides space for kdrama fans to mingle and enjoy sharing their likes and dislikes of kdrama. Let's keep it peaceful in both places. I personally find beanies are a funny bunch where I envy, in a positive way, their articulate and creative minds. It makes reading their comments so enjoyable despite we are not sharing views on some points.

 

 @KDramaLogic welcome my dear and thank you for such a good written constructive discussion. You have explained really well on behalf of the majority of beanies frequenting Mr. Sunshine recap section. We discuss thoughts and not who likes what. I hope people understand this. Keep on writing, I look forward to read your views.

 

@rubie please don't be influenced by anything to not post link for the recap of DB here. I usually read your highlights first before going to DB which means Soompi is where I park my car. Those who do not want to go there is really up to them but I really appreciate your effort putting up alert for us. So, please keep it up. 

 

Last but not least, I have said it before and I will say it again, do not point fingers to the fans, DMNation, HSNation, ASnation, HNNation or ECNation notwithstanding. Agree to disagree. Respect.

 

Cheers!

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Ok.. time to cool downth_stophere.gif .. but everyone's thoughts are really good to read.. H is for Hug..th_group.gif

 

Now for something we all love to hate.. or hate to love.. the PPLs.. they've been pretty quiet lately. Are we in  a 'no PPL zone'.. like, finally? th_no2.gif Nope nope nope.. not even a dream sequence can keep them away. :P

 

Source: Nara Home Deco

 

 

Also.. isn't that Subway PPL in the picnic basket? :lol:

 

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One thing I find really funny and makes me scoff is that people are blaming Ae Shin for not doing anything mission related in recent episodes - hello people with short term memory loss! She stole from Wan Ik's house the reports that interpreters have been sending him - the very reports that Lee Jeong Mun is currently studying in detail to weed out the Wan Ik loyalists and traitors in the King's court. You want to see her hop and jump rooftops in every episode? Shoot her gun every alternate episode?  That is just wishful thinking on the part of the fans. Why would you belittle her achievement by ignoring nay even trivializing her action of  getting the reports? What more are you expecting from her? It's not like she is in any position to plan solo ops - all she does is follow orders like a faithful soldier - her missions are few and far because Gunner Jang is mostly about protecting her than putting her in more danger.

 

Sneak into a house, steal reports and end up helping weed out traitors - how's that for helping Joseon, huh? A million times better than all the supposedly altruistic male leads that are fighting in their own ways(whatever that may mean) to help Joseon.

 

So quick to pass judgment on Ae Shin but all the leeway for the male leads? Going so far as to attribute motivations/altruistic reasons for the actions of the male leads when the canon is showing that all of them have been thoroughly selfish - and I am not passing judgement on the male characters - I get that they too are flawed people doing what little in their capacity to help individuals they care about.

 

@rubie My mind didn't go to subway - I was only thinking of two things - was that a hamburger bun in the picnic basket - the one that Eugene was  telling Ae Shin about during their beach date; the second thing which captured my full attention was Ae Shin's laughter - she looked so beautiful in that moment that it was breathtaking.

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22 minutes ago, mistergenie said:

 

@rubie My mind didn't go to subway - I was only thinking of two things - was that a hamburger bun in the picnic basket - the one that Eugene was  telling Ae Shin about during their beach date; the second thing which captured my full attention was Ae Shin's laughter - she looked so beautiful in that moment that it was breathtaking.

 

To be honest, I'm not sure.. it could be because so far, they've been meticulous to include as much details as possible (from what's been mentioned in earlier episodes).. even stuff we thought would be forgotten.. like the baby blanket, the tragic ornament, hair pin etc.

 

Ae Shin's laughter on the boat while they were fishing was just heartwarming to see. She was even blushing there and then when Eugene teased her.

 

I always feel she's a bit 'tomboyish' in Joseon (obviously to pass as a male), but even when wearing hanboks. However, in the imagination (western) scenes, she's behaving more like a lady.

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Some fave scenes in episode 15 and 16:

 

1) The confrontation between potter Eun San and Eugene which led Eun Dan to reassess his position and not to just take order from LJM.

 

2) The hug scene between Eugene and Ae Shin where he said that he does not belong anywhere and she replied that he is with her. And how he hesitated before taking her hand and pulling her into a tight embrace.

 

3) The funeral scene where Eugene bid farewell to Joseph. LBH acting is on point here.

 

4) The scene where Ae Shin asked the temple medium to light a candle for Joseph who would be buried that day. Ae Shin is hesitant as the person believed in God. The reply from the medium “The dieties must know each other very well. I am sure Buddha will show him the way to God”. These lines particularly touched me. I guess many of us must have wondered how do we pray for someone of a different religion or belief from ourselves.

 

4) The scene where Dong Mae and Hina silently acknowledged and reassured each other from afar without a word  being spoken, all the while he was hugged by Hotaru. I feel that Dong Mae and Hina had a great understanding of each other like soulmates. Hope they can find their way to each other and not waste their time to keep pinning for the wrong persons who did not as much glance at them.

 

5) The goodbye scene of Ae Shin and Eugene where he held her foot to put on her shoe for her. (I personally feel that this is an intimate gesture akin to a kiss. Not sure about Joseon but in olden days in China, a woman’s feet should be seen only by her husband so touching a woman’s foot is kinda of an act of intimacy.)

 

6) How Ae Shin stood firm with her Grandfather on annuling her engagement. But when her Grandfather found out that the man that she loved is Eugene, she gave in and agreed to his condition to remain single all her life and not see Eugene again to protect Eugene from being hurt. 

 

7) The scene where Eugene met Ae Shin and the palace maids in the palace grounds and Eugene’s monologue which appeared to be directed at the palace maid but meant for Ae Shin. 

 

I recalled that Kim Tae Ri had mentioned in her character introduction interview that it is a story of personal growth for her character. I agree with the views expressed in earlier posts above that there had been change and growth for her character but perhaps these are not as dramatic or fast or as great a leap as some viewers would have preferred like how it had been for the male characters like Eugene, Dong Mae and Hui Seong. For me, I am happy to take on this long and slow journey of change and growth with her.

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3 hours ago, rubie said:

 

@KDramaLogic welcome to the drama thread.. you brought a thought-provoking gift. th_wave.gifFans of MR.SUNSHINE really shining bright!

 

Sorry to cut your post in two and not necessarily in order!:sweatingbullets:  Thank you for welcoming me, and, yes, fans of Mr. Sunshine keep on shining!!!! :blush:

 

 

3 hours ago, rubie said:

Regarding DB, I was contemplating whether to continue highlighting the recaps here. But I'm hoping to be as open as possible and remembering that it used to be a great blog from a long time ago. It may not be the same impartial site but a recap by DB is quite a privilege of sorts for MR.SUNSHINE. Imaginable it's quite the task to recap an entire episode twice a week and another task to read through the replies but there are still good positive comments to read. Having been through SLS before, I understand the feeling watching a drama not to our preferences and the frustration of not enjoying it fully as we tend to see what we want to see. It's either we swallow or spit out the bitter aftertaste. It sucks having such a drama within a drama.. maybe that was what the writer intended all along. Strong reaction means it's shaping to be a drama well-written.. hopefully.

 

Perhaps, there's no need to highlight the DB recap here anymore. I think we all know it'll be posted soon after the weekend airing of the episodes. With just 8 more episodes to go.. like the kicka$$ ladies of Joseon and the 3 fanboys, along with the ever-growing RA community ready to defend the nation, let's do the same. 

 

Regarding the elusive "K".. the famously-overlooked alphabet throughout Ae Shin's lessons. Both LBH and KTR are movie actors, who definitely are as professional as can be in their daring roles.. but MR.SUNSHINE is set in a period modest setting.. some 100+ years ago. Maybe a peck of a kiss is all that we'll get but who knows what KES is thinking in EuShin's minds. I thought the longing, gazing and embrace have been well acted out by the star-crossed lovers. But we wouldn't complain if the letter K comes along.. eventually.

 

I hope no one will be too upset.. except to the misleading previews. Please consider this as ramblings of an old school fan-girl. th_bricks.gif

 

 

For this drama, Dramabeans usually posts recaps for odd-number episodes on Mondays, and even-number episodes on Tuesdays.  So, perhaps the DB recap may not need to be highlighted here anymore.  It's just that there may be some Soompiers who may appreciate getting redirected from this thread to the Dramabeans episode recap.  Personally, I could just directly go to Dramabeans (and Soompi) rather than rely on redirected links.  But, I cannot speak for others.  So, again, I enjoy reading your posts and appreciate your efforts in highlighting the Dramabeans recaps ^_^

 

Admittedly, ever since Dramabeans changed its website format sometime this year, the recaps, posts, etc. have become less impartial on certain Tv dramas, movies, etc. that they choose.  Noticeably, the main Dramabeans creators including javabeans have more-or-less ceased in recapping dramas, as well as posting News Bites and other features.  If anyone wanted to check on Dramabeans any dramas or news that are not officially posted by Dramabeans users, then they'd have to check the Fan Post page, which, while somewhat informational, is rather disorganized and, of course, less impartial.

 

As for the SLS and "drama within a drama within a drama...", I'd say that phenomenon is not limited to KES dramas or any other Korean dramas/movies only; it's found anywhere in any country (i.e., Gossip Girl- the whole Blair/Chuck vs. Blair/Dan debacle was pretty rabid during the later seasons on the official CW threads/blogs, YouTube, and other (fan)sites -_-).  So, yes, this could take away some (but hopefully not all) the fun of watching the drama/movie/etc., especially if you are looking for neutral recaps, feedback and/or comments on the said work that would either align, differ, or even challenge your earlier thoughts.

 

Having said that, I think KES envisioned a very poignant, beautiful, and immersive storyline that highlights both the historical context of Joseon in the face of the (unfortunately inevitable) Japanese annexation and the plight of the people/characters whose loyalty (or lack thereof) to their mother country is tested in different ways during that period.  So, for me, the whole AS/EC vs. AS/DM vs. AS/HS vs. EC/DM/HS dynamics is somewhat secondary- but, to some extent, still essential- to the overall big picture of how and why these characters will work together towards fighting for Joseon and their people before (and hopefully during and after) the Japanese colonization rule.  If anything, these encounters/dynamics have compelled these four characters (and HN and other characters) to reassess their own and each other's personal backgrounds, losses, and stance for the future of Joseon- something I hope that KES focuses more on toward the later episodes rather than the whole "Will ___ end up with ____?" trope.

 

Somewhere down the road, K will arrive- and not that "kiss-on-the-cheek", which, in AS' (and KES') defense, occurred only in her imagination.  There is that saying: sometimes, the real thing is better than what you imagine. :tounge_wink:

 

2 hours ago, aurelionsol said:

@KDramaLogic peacful opinion :)

 

Aeshin grow up (she change very much from 1st episode, especially recently in connection with RA and her relationship with EC). 

She will not change her rebellious character and certain habits so quickly and she needs more time. She already noticed that Eugene's decisions are thoughtful and calm and many other things but she fight for her man right now. Even DM works for her and I think Lord Go will discover and understand that she protects the family more than he does. Maybe even give her leadership because he getting old and not keeping up with the changes. Eugene become new leader RA when potter resign (many mistakes even though I like him in general). It is time for young people to defend their homeland and people they love.

 

First of all, thanks!  I also appreciate peaceful and relatively objective opinions (for we are humans with embedded bias even though we like to tell ourselves otherwise...:D).

 

I apologize if I sounded rather harsh and judgmental on AS' recent actions and thought-process in the more recent episodes.  It is true that AS is growing up and reevaluating her position both as a Joseon noblewoman and a (potentially more prominent) independence fighter alongside the RA, thanks to her encounters with EC, DM, HS, HN, Seung-gu, her grandfather and others.  I also hope that others, particularly her grandfather, will acknowledge AS's cause for protecting Joseon from Japan as means of protecting those whom she love, and that they would help her evolve and share a similar cause in fighting for Joseon.  Last but not least, I don't want AS to give up her rebellious streak; after all, that's what EC, DM, HS, and we the audience love about her! B)

 

Till then, I hope that AS's thoughts focus somewhat less (for the sake of the plot and historical context of the drama) on protecting her love for EC (we know that, given AS' passionate, rebellious nature, she will let nothing stand in the way of her love for EC :love:) and more on understanding the current plight of the Joseon people of all backgrounds so that she could work with others not only to fight off the Japanese rule (which, unfortunately, will prevail in the next 30-40 years) but also establish a more egalitarian Joseon that champions the rights of all its citizens regardless of their social status.

 

2 hours ago, kansas424 said:


Appreciate the effort, but you should really take a look at the comment section to really understand why they hate on AeShin. 

I disagree about the lack of character evolution of AS that you were talking about. Regarding her RA involvement, you only need to watch EP 15 to observe her growth. The conversation between AS and Eun San, whereby she claimed she knew EC would never harm the RA and especially the potter. And even giving up the chance to take revenge on the man responsible for the death of her parent, to resolve the whole RA vs EC and Joseph's death saga. 

Watch the whole conversation between AS and her grandpa. How she refused to safeguard her own future by getting married. And when grandpa ask for Eugene, she stopped him from doing so knowing EC will get hurt by his grandpa with regard to his slave origin. Wow, a female character taking initiative to protect her love one? This is unlike any past korean drama, whereby woman has always been portrayed as weak and requires protection from their man.

She's readied to live her life alone than betraying her love for EC. 

Lots of review on AeShin has been written in weibo and heaped with praises. Which is why it shocked the hell out of me when AeShin was hated, like literally the only place you can find such comment, which happens to be the hideout of Dong Mae nation aka Dramabean. 

 

First, I appreciate your honest assessment on both my post and the Dramabeans recaps/comments.  Also, thanks for pointing out that one scene where AS decides to give up her quest of seeking revenge on the person who murdered her parents (Wan Ik, obviously); I did not catch that right away upon recalling. ^_^

 

Since I cannot read in Korean or Chinese, I wouldn't trust the (relatively inaccurate) Google Translate in translating whatever Naver (Korean), Weibo (Chinese), and other non-English website posts related to Mr. Sunshine.  Dramabeans (and Soompi) are the closest English websites on Korean dramas/movies/etc. that I could rely on for updated information, recaps, and/or comments.  As I mentioned to rubie (again, I'm new to posting Soompi comments, so I'm not sure how to link Soompi users in reply posts other than quoting/cutting their posts), I concur the new Dramabeans recaps, comments, and fan posts have become increasingly more opinionated to the point that not a lot of the shows I watch are being recapped (due to Dramabeans users' personal schedule, interests in the drama, etc.).  Still, Dramabeans is one of the few English websites I know that is recapping this drama.  If there are any other English websites that offer K-drama/movie/etc. recaps, including Mr. Sunshine, please let me know.  I'd appreciate it!:smile:

 

In addition, as mentioned in my earlier post, I already concurred that the Dramabeans recaps of earlier episodes contained substantial number of comments incessantly "hating" on AS for snubbing the "more attractive, age-appropriate, brooding" DM.  And, btw, I will not speak on behalf of those commenting with that sort of mentality; for I also posted that AS and DM, so far, have not established any substantial understanding of each other that's worth shipping; if anything, even AS and HS have a better understanding of each other's predicament (and that's not saying much).  But, as far as I could see in at least the Ep 15 recap/comment section, I've seen mostly posts that, if directed negatively towards AS, are calling out AS' clinging to the romantic notion of fighting for Joseon, lack of further insight on the everyday plight of Joseon people from non-noble classes, and relatively lack of participation in RA movements compared to EC, HS, and even DM.  Then again, I just read the recap earlier this morning (which had only 25-30 comments), so maybe more of those "DM fanfirls hate AS just because she snubs DM" comments will show up later today. :pensive:

 

Again, as I mentioned to aurelionsol (again, don't know how to link the profile here), I apologize if I came off rather critical of AS's actions in the recent episodes, particularly in regards to her stance on Joseon independence. I am glad that AS called out Eun San's BS in foolishly labeling EC as a traitor to the RA (seriously, Eun San, you of all people!?) and fought for her love for EC despite her grandfather's rejection due to EC's prior slave background and occupation as an American soldier.  Still, most of AS' scenes since EC's postulating of "Will your Joseon include butchers, slaves, etc.?" have focused more on her exploring and defending her relationship with EC (which I commend KES for developing in a plausible manner amidst the historical period) yet less on her contemplating the prospects of the RA and Joseon people amidst the impending Japanese colonization of Joseon Korea.  It's almost as though AS views Joseon as some afterthought or ideology rather than a nation with people of all backgrounds whose lives are at stakes and whose voices need to be heard.  It's even more apparent when EC, while contemplating his love for AS and trying to make peace with his futile revenge(?) against HS' family for his parents' death, is shown taking more proactive steps toward defending Joseon (i.e., assuming the position as Joseon Royal Guard) even though he, as an American soldier and former Joseon slave, can walk away from Joseon any time.

 

Then again, there are 8 episodes remaining (assuming that KES sticks with the 24-episode format); so hopefully AS will have more scenes of evolving in her stance and proactively fighting alongside EC, the RA, and others for Joseon independence.  We all know that AS' rebellious streak will forbid anyone from undermining her relationship with EC; now she should channel that rebellion into reaffirming her fight for the Joseon nation and its people.

 

As always, if I missed any characterization or plot point, please let me know!  Whew, long post again...sorry! :sweat:

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45 minutes ago, miracle23 said:

@kansas424 I think I remember seeing a similar claim about DB being a cancerous site at the comment section. Honestly, if I were to be such commenter, I would claim similarly with Soompi as I have seen and read quite a number of fanatic postings and bashings but thanks and kudos to the mods controlling them before things get really out of hand. Having said that, I am not going to put myself on the same pedestal by making such claim. I refuse to judge people and their preferences. I would rather having the space to discuss why a certain character is flawed in my opinion and why others are more compelling instead of simply accusing the commenters for having views that are evidently in contrast than mine. It is their rights to feel what they feel for any characters or plots. We really should not go to that route. Such attack itself is worst than being cancerous. It just shows how ones can't accept differences in preferences/opinions.  Not everyone can relate with what AS is as of 16 ep than what AS was in the beginning. Many of the commenters are actually rooting for AS as a character from the beginning but until recent eps, some has indicated their frustrations from their observations. And I am among them. And I am also one that root for the supporting roles, DM included. Hence, I will not be backed down by comments like fangirls or cancerous s***. Please have some respect when writing here. I believe all of us here are grown ups. Soompi is not that much different in purpose than DB since it provides space for kdrama fans to mingle and enjoy sharing their likes and dislikes of kdrama. Let's keep it peaceful in both places. I personally find beanies are a funny bunch where I envy, in a positive way, their articulate and creative minds. It makes reading their comments so enjoyable despite we are not sharing views on some points.

 

 



I would like to hear your thoughts on the defensive remarks made against the AS hating reasoning, rather than trying to pull Soompi down to the level of DB. Because, you really didn't respond to any of them directly. If you want to talk about lack of development for character, DM should spearhead that list.  HS has decided to kick start his very own newspaper business in exposing the truths, EC has taken up the role of royal army trainer, AS has been summoned to royal palace, most probably will be appointed as teacher for the princess and prince. 

DM? Nothing much going on there since day 1. Flirting around girls, piggyback 1 of them, and hugged another, acting all cool and that. Yea, he's been caught and tortured, but which characters in Mr. Sunshine hasn't been tortured either mentally or physically by losing someone precious, got shot etc ? .Hopefully the next EP, we'll get to know more from the gunshot incident, how it gonna change this character's view of things. 

No hard feeling, just trying to initiate discussion that comes in both way instead of 1.

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@rubie, there's review post from @dcinside I found wonderful about Eushin fishing scene. 

from dcinside, translation by me, let me know this is not allowed.

 

The speed of Eugene-Aeshin's love thru their fishing scene.

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As soon as the nibbling started, Aeshin grabbed her boyfriend's fishing pole to catch it herself

Eugene was being powerlessly swayed by Aeshin, just saying "wait wait"

 

Just looking at this scene reminds me...

As soon as she saw the good fish Eugene(the hogu/pushover) , she asked him to do love together without hesitation

Hugged him in no time, asked him to go to seashore together,

with his hat on, asked him whether she's pretty, that date master Aeshin

 

That overlapped with Eugene, 

who didn't know to hug his girlfriend back 

couldn't even wipe her tears, just holding his hat, that Choi family Wait Jin(* this is one of the numerous nick name in dcinside internal humors)

 

But, this Choi family Wait Jin turned out as a real fishing master,

Aeshin may think that she caught Eugene, but

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Without her really knowing, it's Choi family Wait Jin who actually caught her and holding on.

 

Started love, tempting noble woman who's more interested in shooting than marriage

Made her bet her everything by devoting himself during the relationship

Made her his home, after being a stranger always

Made her wanted to show him to her grandpa, when she just originally planned to cancel her engagement only (* this review is before episode 16 ).

In the preview, there's even a line hinting she may leave Joseon with Eugene

 

If you look at the picture, the fish basket in the reflection actually has Aeshin in it!!

 

So these all means that, 

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This is all big picture from Choi family Wait Jin who crushed all bowls(dcinside names for board readers) predictions by being slow, enduring and waiting.

 

And in the end

fishing

was also suggested from Choi Fishing Jin

 

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Well done by someone who 's close with a boat!

 

 

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