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[Drama 2018] Mr. Sunshine, 미스터 션샤인 - Winner of Critics’ Choice Award for Drama category

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I think that the conflict became more compelling with the last episode: it is about Eugene getting into conflict with the Righteous army because of a noble cause: the clearing of Joseph's name. Still, it is not clear to me why the advisor is so convinced that Eugene will uncover the activities of the Righteous Army. 

 

The story with the letter contains a few important elements:

1. It seems that LWI does not fully trust his servant, the guy who is the husband of AS's cousin, for he told him that the letter is a fake.

2. LWI's letter can affect four things, 3 of them were named by the Japanese minister, the fourth one is unknown: it can be either solving the problem with GDM or the problem with AS's grandfather. Or maybe both, since LWI seems intent to find a husband for Hina. Or maybe something different...

 

The emperor's decision might not the best one. Strategically, he went for a short-term gain (avoiding the collusion with the Japanese for some time and covering for the Righteous army) instead of a long-term one. But his decision costs him three things:

1. He brought an enemy closer to him.

2. He entrusted his fate in the hands of LWI, who has the letter but can make it public at any time.

3. He alienated Eugene, who might not have been on his side, but at least he could have been.

There might be a fourth aspect: The emperor chose realpolitik over being sentimental about Joseph's death. But in a time that requires unity of all classes, he kind of sent a  bad message: people who help Joseon are dispensable, especially if they are not us. Unfortunately, not many people are like the emperor or his advisor, that is, aristocrats. (will AS's grandfather be also a victim of the emperor's choice? or is this only Eugene's perception?)

 

The meeting between the potter and the adviser is interesting because it hints to the power and class dynamic in the group. While the advisor talks about the audacity of Eugene to refuse the offer of the emperor, the potter thinks of the good deeds Eugene did.  Moreover, in the meeting, both the potter and his companion stayed with their heads bowed, which seems to suggest that the fighters for freedom are not equal with the advisor.

If this scene shows indeed the power dynamic in the group, then Eugene might have a chance to convince the potter to be more careful in the dealings with the emperor. Eugene should have taken the Gunner with him, for neither of them is a fan of the political fights of the aristocrats.

 

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5 hours ago, bedifferent said:

Hmmm, KES is on to something here adding this supposedly fictional (?) letter.  The betrayal by the Emperor will add one more reason for the US to side with Japan and eventually sign the pact.   We know Emperor was cornered by LWI, disregarding an American's life for his cause is a big betrayal and played into LWI's hands.  It would just isolate the Emperor even more from the last ally that he hoped to get help from.  I wonder if LJM's pride and nationalistic view hurt him more than he realized. The same is said with Lord Go who declined Eugene and his troop's protection.  This mistrust of the American by the ministers could be the residual of the Ganghwa conflict in the beginning of the drama.  Very tragic.

I don't think emperor has any ally left. Russia will be forced out after Russia-Japan war. US was already ignoring his request for help thru Allen,(that was why Allen was in Shanghai in the first couple episodes, I remember?) Kyle knew about Philippine and said US will not  interfere matter of Joseon. And this didn't happen over just one day, I think Joseon failed to read political power structure of foreign countries and LJM is not an exception(Unlike Seungu, I don't think LJM has direct mistrust after Gangwha conflict. They were asking for help from US anyway). Ironically, they really need a best person for minister of diplomacy but there's no good candidate.

 

At the same time, as you said this event just showed that king is powerless and someone who cannot be trusted. Who'll help the king knowing this? But... looking at it, it seems that WI can do anything in Joseon and nobody can hold him responsible. Basically majority of gov under WI's hire, and only JM left at king's side. Police chief and post office chief are also under WI's control. that reminds me, would Ilsik be safe if he tries to send telegram to Eugene? 

 

What can Eugene do to hold WI responsible for Joseph's murder?

 

 

 

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Can anyone tell me who was that lady who bumped into Hui Seong and stopped him from chasing after Kim Yong-ju?? I don’t remember if she has shown up in prior episodes before

 

 

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@Emily Wong I didn't recognize her (it wasn't easy for me to do, with the way she was filmed), but from what HS said it's one of the ladies he gambled with before, so she might have been shown a few episodes ago, when we see him at the table with 4-5 ladies losing money... And also from what he said, noticing she has strong arms and by the way she's holding him, I think he hinted at the fact that he can tell she's a trained fighter, and therefore probably belongs to some of the current secret organizations...  

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Rating for episode 14!!:smiley:

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14 15.626 18.126
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22 minutes ago, soara said:

Rating for episode 14!!:smiley:

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14 15.626 18.126

 

That's amazing! That show is so beautiful, they totally deserve it, and more.

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2 hours ago, tzupi said:

Still, it is not clear to me why the advisor is so convinced that Eugene will uncover the activities of the Righteous Army. 

 

The story with the letter contains a few important elements:

1. It seems that LWI does not fully trust his servant, the guy who is the husband of AS's cousin, for he told him that the letter is a fake.

2. LWI's letter can affect four things, 3 of them were named by the Japanese minister, the fourth one is unknown: it can be either solving the problem with GDM or the problem with AS's grandfather. Or maybe both, since LWI seems intent to find a husband for Hina. Or maybe something different...

 

 

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1.  Sorry, I read the scenes between LWI and AS' cousin differently.  When the cousin was eager to march into the palace with the letter to blackmail the Emperor, LWI was much smarter.  He understood that entering with the letter claiming it's from the Emperor would just self-incriminate him as Joseph's murderer to eventually be prosecuted/eliminated by the Emperor.  He basically told his assistant "Why would I want to announce that I killed the missionary?"  He went on to tell the man his plan by saying the letter is fake.  AS' cousin was just too dense to understand him.  I think this scene was just to illustrate the man's stupidity.

 

2.  The Japanese minister said LWI holds power over GDM, Allen, the emperor of Joseon, and the minister post.  Which is four already right? LOL  Anyway, I am thinking the fourth one could be Eugene.  Right now, Eugene doesn't know Emperor sent Joseph on a mission that leads to his death.  Unleashing the fact that the letter exists will bring Eugene to confront the Emperor +/- LJM, further eroding any trust the Americans have with Joseon.  The other person could be Lord Go whose innocence depends on the letter existence.

 

 

 

AGB Nielsen Ratings:

 

Episode 1   7/7/18       8.852%

Episode 2   7/8/18       9.691%

Episode 3   7/14/18    10.082%

Episode 4   7/15/18    10.567%

Episode 5   7/21/18    10.835%

Episode 6   7/22/18     11.713%

Episode 7  7/28/18      11.114%

Episode 8  7/29/18      12.330%

Episode 9  8/3/18        11.695%

Episode 10  8/4/18      13.534%

Episode 11  8/11/18    12.792%

Episode 12  8/12/18    13.399%

Episode 13  8/18/18    13.327%

Episode 14  8/19/18    15.626%

 

 

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16 minutes ago, bedifferent said:

2.  The Japanese minister said LWI holds power over GDM, Allen, the emperor of Joseon, and the minister post.  Which is four already right? LOL  Anyway, I am thinking the fourth one could be Eugene.  Right now, Eugene doesn't know Emperor sent Joseph on a mission that leads to his death.  Unleashing the fact that the letter exists will bring Eugene to confront the Emperor +/- LJM, further eroding any trust the Americans have with Joseon.  The other person could be Lord Go whose innocence depends on the letter existence.

 

 

 

Wan Ik was talking about killing four birds with one stone. The fourth, as we found out was Ae Shin's grandfather whom WI tried to unsuccessfully frame for Joseph's murder. Dong Mae ended up being rescued by Eugene. In the end, the only bird that WI was able to hit was the King himself - basically humiliating the King and demanding the post of the Minister with so much audacity was a huge win for WI. 

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5 hours ago, mistymorning said:

I don't think emperor has any ally left. Russia will be forced out after Russia-Japan war. US was already ignoring his request for help thru Allen,(that was why Allen was in Shanghai in the first couple episodes, I remember?) Kyle knew about Philippine and said US will not  interfere matter of Joseon. And this didn't happen over just one day, I think Joseon failed to read political power structure of foreign countries and LJM is not an exception(Unlike Seungu, I don't think LJM has direct mistrust after Gangwha conflict. They were asking for help from US anyway). Ironically, they really need a best person for minister of diplomacy but there's no good candidate.

 

At the same time, as you said this event just showed that king is powerless and someone who cannot be trusted. Who'll help the king knowing this? But... looking at it, it seems that WI can do anything in Joseon and nobody can hold him responsible. Basically majority of gov under WI's hire, and only JM left at king's side. Police chief and post office chief are also under WI's control. that reminds me, would Ilsik be safe if he tries to send telegram to Eugene? 

 

What can Eugene do to hold WI responsible for Joseph's murder?

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I feel you and for the Emperor.  Admitting the letter is real will enrage the Japanese for seeking refuge with the Americans. Right now, he is buying time to have weapons made and Royal Army trained.  All his private stash (the bank note Eugene returned) has gone to Shanghai for new weapons.  The railroad is a must for the Emperor as well to transport the resistance back to Hanseong to help him. Thus, the need for this loan to come through.

 

 I'm counting on Eugene or Ae Shin getting Kim Young-ju to confess.  He will tell Ae Shin the truth and have her be the bait to lure KYJ to them.  The only hard thing is how to back up an opium addict's words against the Minister of Foreign Affairs.

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1 hour ago, soara said:

Rating for episode 14!!:smiley:

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14 15.626 18.126

 

1 hour ago, lilyphenix said:

 

That's amazing! That show is so beautiful, they totally deserve it, and more.

 

Omg 15%!! I don’t know why I’m so happy this show’s rating is going up- think I’m going crazy... I hope this becomes TVN’s highest rated drama of all time :wub: 

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3 hours ago, lilyphenix said:

@Emily Wong I didn't recognize her (it wasn't easy for me to do, with the way she was filmed), but from what HS said it's one of the ladies he gambled with before, so she might have been shown a few episodes ago, when we see him at the table with 4-5 ladies losing money... And also from what he said, noticing she has strong arms and by the way she's holding him, I think he hinted at the fact that he can tell she's a trained fighter, and therefore probably belongs to some of the current secret organizations...  

 

Ah I see- I think I saw her in this long trailer of Mr. Sunshine.. she might play a bigger role in the next few episodes? Just not sure what it will be...

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2 hours ago, Emily Wong said:

 

Ah I see- I think I saw her in this long trailer of Mr. Sunshine.. she might play a bigger role in the next few episodes? Just not sure what it will be...

 

This one?

 

 

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I think the last scene is a twist..I don't think AS will shoot him (obviously). But they might be pointing guns at each other as EC reached the kiln site but they will hesitate as their mind runs through the moments they were together. They will be contemplating for a while..

 

But..I got this feeling that EC will finally succumb to helping the RA for real. And that is the reason he was heading there. He might be going to the site to offer his help, instead of threatening the potter as what was supposedly shown in that last scene.. There are two reasons which made me think this:

1. EC knew then that AS is in both danger and dilemma based on what the caught shooter told him. If he is to protect AS, he needs to be with her, at her side. He would not expect AS to change side for him. KES has make sure his character is always in support of AS, so I dont think he would make AS to be in further dilemma.

2. Joseph's name need to be clear and since he could not use his power to threaten the Minister to change the verdict, the best he can do is to help them to get what they want and at the same time, clear Joseph's name. To the Minister, it seems there is no other way to ensure that their plan would remain intact. But if EC is to offer his help to make sure the secret remains safe and then make the Japanese turn against LWI, then there is no need for either EC to be killed or for them to frame Joseph further.

 

One thing for sure, in yesterday's ep, I finally can see KES's big picture for this drama. Up till Ep 13, she has clear the ground for each character's development and about their back story and also built a platform on how these characters interact with each other. But yesterday, she finally draw the strings to tie all of them up as now they have one common enemy, the ever evil Lee Wan Ik..(I bet he is the most hated villain in kdrama now). 

 

i guess in the next few episodes we will see the boys club and the girls club in action. It would be satisfying for me if the final moment of LWI will have all of them pointing all sorts of weapons at him: AS and EC (guns), Gunner Jang and the RAs (gun/ bows and arrow), GDM and the Musin Society (swords), HS (pistol), Hina (sword), the elderlies (Lord Go, the potter, the Minister) will watch them as they wait for the King to give the order (but...I dont think it will happen this way, though..hehehe...but I would love to see something to that effect. Each of them is either direct or indirect victim of LWI)

 

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dduck1.gifCongratulations MR.SUNSHINE! Skipping 14 entirely and landing atop 15.6% ratings! Well done, totally! It's always an anxious feeling waiting for Monday(s) to check the ratings & feedback. Looks like it's that time which drama is entering the no preview zone to keep the high suspense going -- will she shoot him or not? It's clearly a depressing situation where the plot is going (with no way out), but there're still new things to learn and heart-warming tidbits to enjoy. Thank you to everyone giving thoughts, background and explanation about the drama and the history it's based on -- truly appreciate all the well-explained enlightenment. 

 

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[Mr. Sunshine Roundup] Episode 13 + 14

 

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Original Source (OSEN via Naver): "My son"..'Mr. Sunshine' Lee Byung Hun sobs at Joseph's death

 

1. [+2301, -36] My son,, ㅠㅠ

2. [+1560, -41] When Byun Yo Han lied today, it was insane how his eyes were saying something else

3. [+1353, -121] This is a real crying acting. This expression isn't enough to express Lee Byung Hun's acting. 

4. [+918, -51] The ending was so sad ㅜㅜ Eugene Choi is hella good at acting.. also Dong Mae tomorrow is breaking my heart ㅜㅜㅜ Terrible Lee Wan Ik  

5. [+676, -47] Lee Byung Hun was really good at cry acting/crying scenes,,,, Even the narration ㅠㅠㅠㅠ I was crying 

 

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Original Source (Star News via Naver): 'Mr. Sunshine' Byun Yo Han makes a false confession for Kim Tae Ri..It's love

 

1. [+1103, -11] So much lingering remains from Byun Yo Han's subtle emotion

2. [+931, -355] I feel like she matches more with Byun Yo Han or Yoo Yeon Seok rather than Lee Byung Hun... I feel like the love line with Lee Byung Hun is somewhat boring

3. [+532, -5] Before the grandpa puts his life on the line and starts the appeal campaign, I think it's really sad how he left his last words with his grandson-in-law 

4. [+205, -6] I really like Hee Sung-ie ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ Sad.. 

 

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Original Source (Sports Chosun via Naver): 'Mr. Sunshine' Kim Tae Ri is put in the destiny where she has to pull out a gun on Lee Byung Hun

 

1. [+3550, -134] Even if limping Lee Wan Ik travels alone, no one kills him.... but the patriotic guy plans to assassinate the good-willed Lee Byung Hun ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ Might as well just don't do anything ㅜㅜ It's freaking frustrating and really makes no sense ㅋㅋㅋ Even if they're trying to set up that Lee Wan Ik has 20 security guards next to him 24/7, please try to be a bit realistic ㅠㅠ

2. [+2979, -343] Even though it's certain that Kim Eun Sook was going to receive criticism for casting Lee Byung Hun, I think I understand why they casted him. Only Lee Byung Hun can perfectly play the spectrum of the character Eugene Choi.

3. [+1342, -34] This isn't a drama~ It's a movie~ Why was there no preview today ㅠㅠ

4. [+1127, -26] It's so cruel ㅠ for Lady Ae Shin 

5. [+1224, -127] Because they're like that, Joseon failed ㅡㅡ 

 

 

Oh my god....
Lee Byung Hun's crying scene broke my heart ㅠㅠ
Also where's the preview for the next episode?!?!?!
How can they just end it like that ㅠㅠㅠㅠ
And when Byun Yo Han lied to Kim Tae Ri's grandfather about not like anything about Kim Tae Ri but then they showed a montage of all his favorite things about her... ㅠㅠ
This drama just breaks my heart every week.

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It's midnight right now where I'm from and I should be heading to bed but OMG I had to leave a quick comment on here about how amazing episode 14 was! The high rating is definitely well deserved. What an absolutely stressful episode, I literally was on the edge of my seat the entire time! Ahhh loved loved loved the moment when AS started translating Joseph's letter to EC as a way to console him! Had me in tears

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woah those fool, moron and loser.

Their bromance are just...

JUST GET TOGETHER YOU THREE!!!

C'MON, YOU GUYSSS!! KILL THAT LEE WAN IK!!!!:angry:

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On 8/20/2018 at 12:01 PM, q4q4 said:

It's midnight right now where I'm from and I should be heading to bed but OMG I had to leave a quick comment on here about how amazing episode 14 was! The high rating is definitely well deserved. What an absolutely stressful episode, I literally was on the edge of my seat the entire time! Ahhh loved loved loved the moment when AS started translating Joseph's letter to EC as a way to console him! Had me in tears

Me too..of all the scenes that make my tears flow, this one is the ultimate one...I bawled with streaming tears for hours after that scene:dissapointed_relieved:...even more because right after that AS was put in that dilemma..how cruel can things be for her and EC..they need each other, console each other and now must faced each other in a duel? That is such cruel twist of fate..but as my earlier post mentioned, I believe that there will be a plot twist for the last scene..I hope so..I hope so..jeballl

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