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[Drama 2018] Mr. Sunshine, 미스터 션샤인 - Winner of Critics’ Choice Award for Drama category

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Hmm looks like Eugene will turn rogue in the next episode... If I have to guess, there was probably some sort of conspiracy behind X’s death...

 

So currently Joseon is having trouble trying to get US to loan money and Japan has been pressuring them as well... Joseon could be the one who killed X and they might try to pin the blame on Japan (aka Lee Wan Ik) to incite the US to make a move...

 

Gu Dong Mae, on the other hand, was probably suspected of being the one who murdered X under the orders of Japan or Lee Wan Ik hence he was arrested by the US and tortured to reveal the name of the person who gave the order.. 

 

US has been pretty neutral so far in Joseon but the murder of a US citizen would simply cause a rift between these two countries which would benefit Joseon since this might mean US will finally make a stand against Japan by lending $$ to Joseon to build that railway (for example)... it is like the saying; my enemy’s enemy is my ally...

 

While investigating X’s death, Eugene would find that all clues and evidence point towards Joseon... That minister who always hovers around the Emperor was probably the one who solicited Potter Hwang’s help in all of this for the good of Joseon.. So Potter Hwang probably ordered someone in the Righteous Army to murder X and make it look like Japan was the one who did the deed.. When Eugene found out, he probably went berserk and went to visit Potter Hwang with that gun in his hand in the previews but Potter Hwang (possibly sensing Eugene’s affection for Ae Shin and vice versa) probably gave AS the order to stand-by and shot whomever came... She probably didn’t foresee that her target this time would be Eugene... Talk about prophecy- she did warn him that she might kill him next when they first met in the pharmacy..

 

P.S.: Ae Shin’s grandpa was probably the real leader of Righteous Army- who knows. So if Righteous Army did indeed carry out the murder for Joseon then it’d be like Ae Shin’s grandpa was the one who murdered X which would make the romance tad bit more complicated now... Well tad bit is probably too mild of a word- a lot more is probably more appropriate since now Eugene and Ae Shin will have social status and blood stand in between of their growing affections... I hope I am just dead wrong on this one though :mellow:

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Emily Wong said:

Hmm looks like Eugene will turn rogue in the next episode... If I have to guess, there was probably some sort of conspiracy behind X’s death...

 

So currently Joseon is having trouble trying to get US to loan money and Japan has been pressuring them as well... Joseon could be the one who killed X and they might try to pin the blame on Japan (aka Lee Wan Ik) to incite the US to make a move...

 

Gu Dong Mae, on the other hand, was probably suspected of being the one who murdered X under the orders of Japan or Lee Wan Ik hence he was arrested by the US and tortured to reveal the name of the person who gave the order.. 

 

US has been pretty neutral so far in Joseon but the murder of a US citizen would simply cause a rift between these two countries which would benefit Joseon since this might mean US will finally make a stand against Japan by lending $$ to Joseon to build that railway (for example)... it is like the saying; my enemy’s enemy is my ally...

 

While investigating X’s death, Eugene would find that all clues and evidence point towards Joseon... That minister who always hovers around the Emperor was probably the one who solicited Potter Hwang’s help in all of this for the good of Joseon.. So Potter Hwang probably ordered someone in the Righteous Army to murder X and make it look like Japan was the one who did the deed.. When Eugene found out, he probably went berserk and went to visit Potter Hwang with that gun in his hand in the previews but Potter Hwang (possibly sensing Eugene’s affection for Ae Shin and vice versa) probably gave AS the order to stand-by and shot whomever came... She probably didn’t foresee that her target this time would be Eugene... Talk about prophecy- she did warn him that she might kill him next when they first met in the pharmacy..

 

P.S.: Ae Shin’s grandpa was probably the real leader of Righteous Army- who knows. So if Righteous Army did indeed carry out the murder for Joseon then it’d be like Ae Shin’s grandpa was the one who murdered X which would make the romance tad bit more complicated now... Well tad bit is probably too mild of a word- a lot more is probably more appropriate since now Eugene and Ae Shin will have social status and blood stand in between of their growing affections... I hope I am just dead wrong on this one though :mellow:

 

 

 

hence he was arrested by the US and tortured to reveal the name of the person

The people torturing Dong Mae in the preview are Japanese, not  the U.S. 

 

Your theory about RA killing Joseph to incite the US against the Japanese is good but I respectfully disagree. Yes, the King's Vice Chamberlain, Lord Leo Jung Mun wanted the potter to ensure that the missionary returned to Hanseong as soon as possible - this could be for two reasons - the King wanted to use Joseph to send a message to the American Minister in Qing or Leo Jung Mun wanted to use Joseph to persuade Eugene to take the King's offer (to train his troops).  If you recall, Ep 1, Joseph and the potter had a friendly relationship - so even if RA are innocent of the crime, Eugene may still end up blaming them because the King, Leo Jung Mun and the RA  - all wanted to use Joseph and this contributed towards his death. The only way I can see that Eugene backs down from his rage is that if he comes to know that Joseph was already willingly helping the King and the RA. 

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The leader might be the minister who previously gave orders to the potter.

 

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Based on the preview, torturing and framing DM could possibly be the work of WI to frame AS's grandfather since he intercepted the old man's postage. If I am not mistaken grandfather is supporting the righteous army e.g one of the financier. I guess there are a number of other supporters, hence the letters he was writing to. Man, will DM said that old man's name? I think (hope!) not. D*** WI! Fighting DM!

 

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55 minutes ago, Emily Wong said:

 

Hmm looks like Eugene will turn rogue in the next episode... If I have to guess, there was probably some sort of conspiracy behind X’s death...

 

 

What do you mean by turning rogue? and what was it in the preview of episode 14 to make you think that? From what we see, Eugene is still a soldier and he seems to be conducting an investigation into Joseph's death probably. 

 

It seemed to me that Dong Mae is tortured by Korean or Japanese police, not by American soldiers.

 

Eugene needs to hear how Ae shin got into the possession of Joseph's letter. She never told him that, but now it becomes important for once he knows that, he can deduce that Lee Wan Ik is involved and that there was something between Joseph and the emperor. It might be that Eugene is upset with the emperor's advisor because the emperor did not take all the precautions to ensure that nothing happens to Joseph. I think it was suggested that Joseph was a go-between person, carrying a message from the emperor to somebody. But LWI came upon this information quite quickly; moreover, the police seems to be loyal to LWI, not the emperor.

If I am correct, then this would fit with Eugene's remark from a previous episode about how clumsy the Righteous army is.  

 

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True that .. while it's making Eugene sad and mad, he's still doing his duty as a soldier. Hopefully he will be able to think sensibly and deduct the situation wisely no matter how hard it is for him losing someone especially close to him. He must find out how his personal letter ended up with Ae Shin, it's urgent that she shares her intel as well. Maybe because it's the RA, Eugene tend to be neutral but more than ever, he has to know who's who and not put those close to him at risk again, if possible. Life is just so complicated for him..

 

A little light-hearted moment in ep13.. she has his music box, his gloves, now his hat.. and obviously his heart. :P

 

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4 hours ago, mistergenie said:

 

hence he was arrested by the US and tortured to reveal the name of the person

The people torturing Dong Mae in the preview are Japanese, not  the U.S. 

 

Your theory about RA killing Joseph to incite the US against the Japanese is good but I respectfully disagree. Yes, the King's Vice Chamberlain, Lord Leo Jung Mun wanted the potter to ensure that the missionary returned to Hanseong as soon as possible - this could be for two reasons - the King wanted to use Joseph to send a message to the American Minister in Qing or Leo Jung Mun wanted to use Joseph to persuade Eugene to take the King's offer (to train his troops).  If you recall, Ep 1, Joseph and the potter had a friendly relationship - so even if RA are innocent of the crime, Eugene may still end up blaming them because the King, Leo Jung Mun and the RA  - all wanted to use Joseph and this contributed towards his death. The only way I can see that Eugene backs down from his rage is that if he comes to know that Joseph was already willingly helping the King and the RA. 

 

Ohh yes I obviously somehow missed that... I most certainly am wrong then which I really don’t mind at all lol

4 hours ago, tzupi said:

What do you mean by turning rogue? and what was it in the preview of episode 14 to make you think that? From what we see, Eugene is still a soldier and he seems to be conducting an investigation into Joseph's death probably. 

 

It seemed to me that Dong Mae is tortured by Korean or Japanese police, not by American soldiers.

 

Eugene needs to hear how Ae shin got into the possession of Joseph's letter. She never told him that, but now it becomes important for once he knows that, he can deduce that Lee Wan Ik is involved and that there was something between Joseph and the emperor. It might be that Eugene is upset with the emperor's advisor because the emperor did not take all the precautions to ensure that nothing happens to Joseph. I think it was suggested that Joseph was a go-between person, carrying a message from the emperor to somebody. But LWI came upon this information quite quickly; moreover, the police seems to be loyal to LWI, not the emperor.

If I am correct, then this would fit with Eugene's remark from a previous episode about how clumsy the Righteous army is.  

 

 

Hahah yes I def missed the Japanese soldiers- I was just being crazy in my analysis.. 

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Episode 13 was a bit on the slow side for me but Hee Sung killed me with his denial in front Ae Shin's grandad D:

Dong Mae caring about Hina warmed my heart :wub: (yes I'm shipper trash I'm sorry).

 

Also Lee Wan Ik wanting to marry his daughter to Hee Sung...What do you think about this guys? Even if the marriage wouldn't work it's pretty funny to think about.

 

Episode 14 looks intense so I can't wait for tomorrow!

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There is quite a lot of Interesting info for us as viewers from last night's episode. Just want to highlight a few of them.

 

1. EC realised that AS didn't know who the potter really is in the organisation that she joined.  That is the real reason he said AS might regret later as to tease her.

 

2. EC knew something is off when he read Joseph's letter to Domi.  I guess the location  that Joseph's mentioned in the letter compared to the time stamp on the envelope?

 

It is also interesting how AS's grandfather is so understanding of the current situation of HS and AS.  It is understandable that he wants his grandaughter to be safe at all cost.   How I wish he should have used different method to make sure his letters reach  the correct persons.

 

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AGB Nielsen Ratings:

 

Episode 1   7/7/18       8.852%

Episode 2   7/8/18       9.691%

Episode 3   7/14/18    10.082%

Episode 4   7/15/18    10.567%

Episode 5   7/21/18    10.835%

Episode 6   7/22/18     11.713%

Episode 7  7/28/18      11.114%

Episode 8  7/29/18      12.330%

Episode 9  8/3/18        11.695%

Episode 10  8/4/18      13.534%

Episode 11  8/11/18    12.792%

Episode 12  8/12/18    13.399%

Episode 13  8/18/18    13.327%

 

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3 minutes ago, bedifferent said:

AGB Nielsen Ratings:

 

Episode 1   7/7/18       8.852%

Episode 2   7/8/18       9.691%

Episode 3   7/14/18    10.082%

Episode 4   7/15/18    10.567%

Episode 5   7/21/18    10.835%

Episode 6   7/22/18     11.713%

Episode 7  7/28/18      11.114%

Episode 8  7/29/18      12.330%

Episode 9  8/3/18        11.695%

Episode 10  8/4/18      13.534%

Episode 11  8/11/18    12.792%

Episode 12  8/12/18    13.399%

Episode 13  8/18/18    13.327%

 

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Show really needs to past this ~13% resistance level in order to breakout... ^_^

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I cried a lot. The last scene was powerful, so powerful that I almost forgot all the smile worthy moments between Eugene and Aeshin


Text preview for episode 14:

 

Angered by Joseph's death, Eugene seeks the murderer and in doing so facing Righteous Army's hidden identity...

Upon Eugene's investigation on Righteous Army, Eunsan makes a inevitable decision ...!

 

 

And from episode 14 preview

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He's angry/sad/determined. Just.... speechless.

 

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34 minutes ago, Yongzura said:

 EC knew something is off when he read Joseph's letter to Domi.  I guess the location  that Joseph's mentioned in the letter compared to the time stamp on the envelope?

 

As he was reading Joseph's letter, Eugene suddenly remembered the post office stamp/branch name was same as the letter in his room the night it was ransacked.  He knows LWI had Kim Yong Ju to search for something valuable. A letter that came from the same region was tossed it aside probably because it was not what they were looking for.

 

Screenshot 2018-08-18 16.28.35

Screenshot 2018-08-18 16.34.04

 

 

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3 minutes ago, bedifferent said:

 

As he was reading Joseph's letter, Eugene suddenly remembered the post office stamp/branch name was same as the letter in his room the night it was ransacked.  He knows LWI had Kim Yong Ju to search for something valuable. A letter that came from the same region was tossed it aside probably because it was not what they were looking for.

 

I see...so  that is the connection.

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This thread seems slower. 

 

On 8/17/2018 at 5:45 PM, Seoulmemories said:

 

DM going to Japan is not a good ending for me i want him to fight for Korea and side with Korea going to JP does not seem like a good ending for me. 

 

On 8/17/2018 at 10:33 PM, michiyo90 said:

 

Exactly i agree with this anyone leaving JP is not very happy to me.

 

On 8/17/2018 at 10:39 PM, mistymorning said:

 

 

Them going to china could maybe be a thing. 

 

On 8/18/2018 at 1:06 AM, luna11 said:

 

 

 

Loved reading this and totally agree about that ending with the like 40 year time skip where they are older watching Japan leave or something i would be happy with that ending.

 

 

 

 

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@mistergenie @mistymorning

 

In his grief, Eugene will have to remember the kind of friendship Joseph has with Eun San.  He knows their close relationship so it hurts him to think someone with such a noble heart, not driven by power and money, killed in the cross fire of someone else' affairs.  It's tragic to think the reason why the Emperor would only trust this man to carry his loan request to the American Minister leads to Joseph's death.  

 

The saddest part for me this episode was the black out with Joseph signing off.

 

Screenshot of DM who is with the Joseon' police chief (left)

 

Screenshot 2018-08-18 17.10.36

 

The bloody letter from the Emperor in LWI's hand, so he is indeed responsible for Joseph's death. 

 

Screenshot 2018-08-18 17.15.06

credit: Netflix

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