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[Drama 2018] Mr. Sunshine, 미스터 션샤인 - Winner of Critics’ Choice Award for Drama category

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One thing about DM past that makes me really sad is that he left home thinking that his mother has abondened him not knowing that when his mother told him to go away it was because she wanted to protect him :tears:. This drama is showing a lot of strong mothers that are ready to sacrifice their life for their children.

 

I wonder if he tried to find his parents when he came back from japan...anyway I´m looking forward to know more about his past...like how he got to japan and became the leader of that gang. 

 

I read an article here that they were going to do some changes to his character. So far he is still the same except that the name of the gang changed...so when are the other changes coming?

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What do you think AS meant by 'love' when she asked Eugene whether he wants to it together with her? (during the boat riding) Isn't something more like being comrades?  She also uses the term 'romantic era', but again it is not clear what she means by it. From what she says, I thought that it does not have anything to do with love, but more with lonely idealistic heroes who fight against established rules. (she seems to use the term to refer to some characteristics associated with a distinct period in the history of western culture, the romantic period. but this is puzzling, for the romantic period is at the end of the 18th century. From wikipedia, there seems to be a neo-romantic period around the end of the 19th beginning of the 20th century.)

 

Since we do not understand each other unless we mean the same by the terms we use, when Eugene asks her whether she wants to do love together, he must mean the same as she does. Otherwise, she would not understand what he asks. He might intend some more, but his intention would probably not be understood by AS, because she does not understand the meaning of the word---of course, there is also the possibility that meanwhile, she learned the word.

 

So what do you think that she meant by 'love' and 'romantic era' in the previous episodes?

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2 minutes ago, tzupi said:

What do you think AS meant by 'love' when she asked Eugene whether he wants to it together with her? (during the boat riding) Isn't something more like being comrades?  She also uses the term 'romantic era', but again it is not clear what she means by it. From what she says, I thought that it does not have anything to do with love, but more with lonely idealistic heroes. (she seems to use the term in the sense that it is used to designate a period in the history of western culture.)
Since we do not understand each other unless we mean the same by the terms we use, when Eugene asks her whether she wants to do love together, he must mean the same as she does. Otherwise, she would not understand what he asks. He might intend some more, but his intention would probably not be understood by AS, because she does not understand the meaning of the word---of course, there is also the possibility that meanwhile, she learned the word.

So what do you think that she meant by 'love' and 'romantic era' in the previous episodes?

She does not really know what those words mean so her asking do you want to do love with her is just her being ignorant as to what it actually means.

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Seeing the debate here on Dong Mae, I had also earlier stated that I am unable to root for him. I feel the same as @tzupi but I could not put it as elegantly as him/ her.

 

I had found it quite unbearable to watch the violence of episode 3 where he first appeared . But glad that it had toned down in later episodes otherwise I might not be able to continue to watch this drama. 

 

I am not a frequent or regular participant in this forum and I hardly watch any kdrama nowadays. I only got interested to come here because I finally found a kdrama that I am interested to watch but also because it is such a treat to me to be able to watch a drama led by Lee Byung Hun as his last drama was 9 years ago. 

 

Even then, if there is a reversal of roles between Lee Byung Hun and Yoo Yeon Seok and the character of Dong Mae is played by Lee Byung Hun instead, I would stilll feel the same. I would not be able to root for Dong Mae to be with Ae Shin although I may admire the awesome acting of Lee Byung Hun. I would root for Eugene played by Yoo Yoon Seok instead to be with Ae Shin.

 

Here’s hoping that that we are allowed to voice our views here even if it is against popular opinions or if we are unable to root for a particular character played by a popular actor without having to have to engage in a long debate about it as it is pretty draining and tiring for everyone. 

 

Here’s hoping that everyone can just chill and enjoy it for what it is. It is just a drama and all the characters are fictional ones created strictly from the imagination of the writer Kim Eun Seok herself. She must be rolling in laughter seeing we are so serious about characters that she had created. So ✌️.

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Great highlight on the music box PPL. Could be a MR.SUNSHINE token item after the drama ended. th_note.gif Nonetheless, Eugene could afford it now but did he get one.. probably not. He's been looking at it every time he walked by the shop in episode 1. Perhaps it's his comfort zone/motivation surviving in America.

 

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Besides coffee, candies and ornate tea sets.. there's chrysanthemum tea as well.. like, why not :lol:

 

Photos: seungkeun2
 

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1 hour ago, Sarang21 said:

One thing about DM past that makes me really sad is that he left home thinking that his mother has abondened him not knowing that when his mother told him to go away it was because she wanted to protect him :tears:. This drama is showing a lot of strong mothers that are ready to sacrifice their life for their children.

 

I wonder if he tried to find his parents when he came back from japan...anyway I´m looking forward to know more about his past...like how he got to japan and became the leader of that gang. 

 

I read an article here that they were going to do some changes to his character. So far he is still the same except that the name of the gang changed...so when are the other changes coming?

I am confused, I thought he saw them beat his mom soon after, and knew he was being chased because they often  collectively killed the whole family and that he knew his parents were dead before he left for Japan.  That is why she hides him in her carriage. He wasn't a runaway slave, he was butcher class, no one would be chasing him otherwise.

 

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Seeing the debate here on Dong Mae, I had also earlier stated that I am unable to root for him. I feel the same as @tzupi but I could not put it as elegantly as him/ her.

 

I had found it quite unbearable to watch the violence of episode 3 where he first appeared . But glad that it had toned down in later episodes otherwise I might not be able to continue to watch this drama. 

 

I am not a frequent or regular participant in this forum and I hardly watch any kdrama nowadays. I only got interested to come here because I finally found a kdrama that I am interested to watch but also because it is such a treat to me to be able to watch a drama led by Lee Byung Hun as his last drama was 9 years ago. 

 

Even then, if there is a reversal of roles between Lee Byung Hun and Yoo Yeon Seok and the character of Dong Mae is played by Lee Byung Hun instead, I would stilll feel the same. I would not be able to root for Dong Mae to be with Ae Shin although I may admire the awesome acting of Lee Byung Hun. I would root for Eugene played by Yoo Yoon Seok instead to be with Ae Shin.

 

Here’s hoping that that we are allowed to voice our views here even if it is against popular opinions or if we are unable to root for a particular character played by a popular actor without having to have to engage in a long debate about it as it is pretty draining and tiring for everyone. 

 

Here’s hoping that everyone can just chill and enjoy it for what it is. It is just a drama and all the characters are fictional ones created strictly from the imagination of the writer Kim Eun Seok herself. She must be rolling in laughter seeing we are so serious about characters that she had created. So ✌️.

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I understand how you feel about DM, he has entered a brutal world, a gang leader killing for money. Before he was butcher class, the people who slaughtered animals for food. But he has descended into crime.  Still considering the horror of his childhood I can sympathize with him. Although there is no excuse for murder for hire and he cannot in my opinion end up with Ae Shin. Although he can die for her.    At the same time, his passion is so fierce, I think AS must feel conflicted within her.  After he grabs on to her skirt, she has it burned. I think it is because she felt violated not just by the act of what he did, but because it aroused her and she wants to cleanse away that moment.  Burn away her own wanton desire, perhaps. She is a noble young woman, and she is also a killer except that she is out to kill to save her country.  

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19 minutes ago, maddymappo said:

I am confused, I thought he saw them beat his mom soon after, and knew he was being chased because they often  collectively killed the whole family and that he knew his parents were dead before he left for Japan.  That is why she hides him in her carriage. He wasn't a runaway slave, he was butcher class, no one would be chasing him otherwise.

It wasn´t the mother that was being beaten up...the translation said that it was the leader of the butchers...I assumed that it was his father. Maybe the father helped the mother to run away and that´s the reason why he was the only one being beaten up.

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8 hours ago, daydreamer115 said:

 

 

If we're talking about Mr. Sunshine's main characters having cold blood and having no problem in killing people, we are actually talking about 3 people here - Dong Mae, Eugene and even Ae Shin. These 3 people have been killing people though the reasons behind their killings differ.  We know who Dong Mae killed and why since these were shown in this drama, as for Eugene, him being a US Marine officer and having participated in the Spanish - American war and have killed countless of men himself - he was not forced to do it and it was his own choice to be an army. And Ae Shin (& Eugene) killing the American Logan Taylor based on their own reasons. The killings made by this 3 characters could be also be argued whether or not they are justified and appropriate. 

 

I understand when people think Dong Mae as non-redeemable because the drama shows us how he killed those people so ruthlessly, making people shocked and horrified. But in actuality, the other characters also have no problem in killing people (regardless of their reasons). 

 

...adwhefbaehjgbra idk why am talking about killing and stuffs lmao sorry bye.

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Sorry for cutting your post. Thank you for raising the question how justified the actions of our fighters are. I think last week or some weeks before, somebody raised the same point: Eugene being a soldier is not much different from DM's being a gang member. At that time, my first reaction was to say that there are more ethical rules in what one does in war than in how one engages in gang activities, but then I realized that we are before the Geneva conventions. Moreover, even if there might have been treatises regulating conduct during wars before 1949, I think it is clear that the Americans are in Korea for no good reasons: they are depicted as invaders. Second, as you mentioned, Eugene got himself into the army, and he does not seem to have any strong allegiance to America. So we cannot even say that he became a soldier because he loves his host country. Given all this, last week, I could not bring myself to defend the view that one's actions (Eugene) are more justified than the other one's (DM).

 

But after last week episodes, I think that there are some arguments to be made in favour of the view that although our characters engage in combat, there are some important differences in how they do it. Both DM and Eugene have an axe to grind: they suffered at the hand of Joseon people (aristocracy, but also poor people). Both took the path of violence to solve their issues. But it is also true that one picked a more socially accepted path to violence (the army). The Army shapes Eugene's character and, although I do not like to say it, makes him better. On the one hand, the army seems to have taught Eugene to show restraint, which is important for a person engaged in violence. (see the discussions of Eugene with his superior, Kyle--I think it is important that Kyle is his superior, not just his friend; DM mostly lacks restraint and I want him to learn it from somebody; his right-hand man is not a moral model for him, in a way Kyle might be for Eugene). Restraint also helps Eugene in a different way: people seem to come to him for help or they feel safe enough to voice their concerns and views around him. (see the conversation with the gunman and him helping the child) More generally, because he shows self-restraint, Eugene is more open to listening to people than DM is.

On the other hand, in the army, Eugene learns to care about others. I liked how Kyle pointed out to Eugene that they are in the service of American people: they are not just engaging in wars, but sometimes they need to help civilians (Taylor's wife). And at least now, Eugene shows more consideration to civilians that he did before.

 

So although I agree with you, that the army's actions (and by extension Eugene's actions) are not justified, I still think that the army socializes Eugene in a way that helps him find better ways to deal with his own issues and in the end help those around him.

 

(as you can see I haven't said anything about AS: it is not clear to me why she fights, whether it is for maintaining the privileges of the aristocracy or for a new and better society. So I am reluctant to defend her actions.)

 

 

Thank you for raising this point. I find the discussion about DM and Eugene very very interesting: as I said before, DM is a fascinating character and it is interesting to understand why at the same time some people are drawn to him, but other cannot approve his actions. 

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1 hour ago, maddymappo said:

I am confused, I thought he saw them beat his mom soon after, and knew he was being chased because they often  collectively killed the whole family and that he knew his parents were dead before he left for Japan.  That is why she hides him in her carriage. He wasn't a runaway slave, he was butcher class, no one would be chasing him otherwise.

 

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Didnt DM say they were trying to catch him when he first met AS so i think they would be chasing after him.

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While I am enjoying this show so far, I need to see more of Hina. She's one of the most interesting characters for me so far but I'm not getting enough of her. I also need some more action scenes from Ae Shin, mostly the men are getting more action scenes. Can I get some scenes of my bada** Ae Shin kicking some butt? I just liking that our leading ladies don't need a man to save them! I'm not getting enough scenes so please give me more of that!

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1 hour ago, tzupi said:

 

 

 

(as you can see I haven't said anything about AS: it is not clear to me why she fights, whether it is for maintaining the privileges of the aristocracy or for a new and better society. So I am reluctant to defend her actions.)

 

 

About this part of your post (sorry to cut it short) in the earlier episode when AS´s grandfather told her to "find a good husband and live as a flower under his care, " and to only be occupied with things that aristocrat woman does she said that she would rather die. Based on that answer  it seems to me that whatever her motives are it´s not very much about her maintening her privileged life.

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4 hours ago, rubie said:

Great highlight on the music box PPL. Could be a MR.SUNSHINE token item after the drama ended. th_note.gif Nonetheless, Eugene could afford it now but did he get one.. probably not. He's been looking at it every time he walked by the shop in episode 1. Perhaps it's his comfort zone/motivation surviving in America

 I was wondering why he broke into tears when he saw it for the first time. Perhaps the question will be answered in upcoming episodes when the music box will make its appearance again. If he walks by the shop everytime to look at it, it must holds some significance for him. But isn't it funny the music box has been there for 30 years without finding an owner ? :lol:

 

I have found another PPL

 

 

 

The little drinking cups from episode 6 

 

@tzupi AS  fights for the independence of Joseon . She  doesn't want her country to be invaded by foreigners who don't care about the well-being of koreans. Joseon has ressources and wealths that are coveted. The presence of foreigners also means the infringement to korean culture,traditions, language.  The commoners  are already scared  by the japanese army  and get mistreated ( see the siblings duo). I watched  Gaksital drama when it was being aired back then. Although the drama was anti-Japan, it depicted the cruelty of Japan in regards to Korea  : the korean flags were forbidden, the higher  posts were occupied  by the pro- japanese, when arrested the koreans were tortured in order to make them confess, the koreans were forced to give allegiance otherwise they risk torture. I suppose  AS knows more or less the consequences of colonization ( perhaps she is witnessing its premises), hence she fights against it.

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2 hours ago, Sarang21 said:

It wasn´t the mother that was being beaten up...the translation said that it was the leader of the butchers...I assumed that it was his father. Maybe the father helped the mother to run away and that´s the reason why he was the only one being beaten up.

 

Ah, but those were his parents(there were 2 peole, 1 man and 1 woman). Mob were beating 2 of them, and one of the women hit a DM's mom with a heavy stone, saying this was not enough. and man, DM's father tried to cover DM's mom at that point. I think DM's father was leader of the butcher, which really didn't matter and they probably died that day.

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Did anyone notice they made clips of Mr. Sunshine not available in YouTube ? I used to watch it daily from tvNdrama but since yesterday I couldn't find any. I checked from my lists of liked videos but they say it is made unavailable by the owner. I wonder what all this is about??? :huh:

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5 hours ago, scarletlover1 said:

While I am enjoying this show so far, I need to see more of Hina. She's one of the most interesting characters for me so far but I'm not getting enough of her. I also need some more action scenes from Ae Shin, mostly the men are getting more action scenes. Can I get some scenes of my bada** Ae Shin kicking some butt? I just liking that our leading ladies don't need a man to save them! I'm not getting enough scenes so please give me more of that!

 

 

We'll probably see more of Hina now that her father is back in town. So far, she's been staying out of the 'limelight' .. could be because of the hotel, not wanting to create unnecessary bad decision, business-wise. Now, not only Eugene and Hee Sung staying at the hotel, probably her father as well. :sweatingbullets:

 

Seems that Ae Shin also is no longer worried about shooting down a public nuisance .. in public.

 

2 hours ago, Susie Derkins said:

Did anyone notice they made clips of Mr. Sunshine not available in YouTube ? I used to watch it daily from tvNdrama but since yesterday I couldn't find any. I checked from my lists of liked videos but they say it is made unavailable by the owner. I wonder what all this is about??? :huh:

 

For some reason tvNdrama does have that tendency of taking down their own clips on Youtube. th_dontknow.gif Not sure why when the clips have been getting a lot of views from the fans. Only for limited viewing, perhaps?

 

But we can still watch some on IG. The preview for episode 7 ~

 

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7 hours ago, Sarang21 said:

It wasn´t the mother that was being beaten up...the translation said that it was the leader of the butchers...I assumed that it was his father. Maybe the father helped the mother to run away and that´s the reason why he was the only one being beaten up.

No no, both of his parents were beaten up to death by the ajumonis and her fellow villagers and he saw it with his own eyes so he knew his mom chased him away to save him ㅠㅠ 

 

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28 minutes ago, daydreamer115 said:

No no, both of his parents were beaten up to death by the ajumonis and her fellow villagers and he saw it with his own eyes so he knew his mom chased him away to save him ㅠㅠ 

 

 

 

This is why i sympathize with DM because imagine if you were in his position where his parents beaten to death, his mum raped as well. Korea treated him and his parents like dirt if i was in his position i would grab after any power that was offered. 

 

The people we seen him kill/hurt so far sort of deserved it. 

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