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[Drama 2018] Mr. Sunshine, 미스터 션샤인 - Winner of Critics’ Choice Award for Drama category

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Dear all,

 

I stumbled upon your thread because I was so shocked/disappointed/angry/sad (and so on…) by the series ending that I wondered if I was the only one among Mr Sunshine viewers/fans to feel that way…
Obviously not and I have to say that it is kind of a relief… However, I still feel so upset with the ending that I decided to write a post here in order to share some thoughts (who said healing process?…).

 

First, I have to say that I didn’t know much about Korean drama. Through Netflix, Korean drama like Mr Sunshine were proposed to me as suggestions. I first saw another Korean drama that I liked very much (A secret love affair, for information) and then consequently tried the « Mr Sunshine adventure ».  

 

I wasn’t hooked by the first episode, I lost the track too often. But I was so moved by the story of Eugene’s mother and AS’ parents that I decided to give a chance.  
Starting from the 2nd episode, I entirely fell for the story. The revenge of a man, the most humble one, even a slave, against a country and its nobility/ social injustice. Fate irony, his way back to motherland will rime with a love story with a noble woman. Ok I buy it. Because what we talk about here is beyond a usual love story, it speaks about the value of a man for his nation. Could a man be loved/protected enough by his own motherland to have a life and to accomplish himself as a true human being?

 

If we see, as so many of ours, AS character as Joseon embracing its all nobility/social system, therefore it is a kind of redemption for this man to be loved by his motherland itself. Do we have to recall, that Eugene was named as the noble one? Yes, here is the node, when we begin to see nobility as a quality and not as a social status… This man became a noble man by his actions, by his choices, by a life made by himself. This man deserves to be loved, particularly by a woman of his rank, a noble one. And through all his actions for his nation, he won the right and he deserved to be loved by his own country.

 

But… What we had in the end? Quite the contrary… In the two last episodes I saw a quite cold AS-EC relationship, lots of distance, very few physical contacts, never really married, not even a kiss (hello real life…) and no real protective feelings from AS towards EC. He so needs to be loved and to be protected. As a man, he was quite ignored by his woman. As a child of a nation, he now lied in the cemetery for foreigners. What's the « f-word »…???!!!!!

 

I think that the series emphasised patriotism a lot in order to touch the hearts of the descendants of Joseon era. Patriotism needs continuity because it is a value one can share as the children of a same nation. So… Where is the AS-EC’s child?…

 

I will not go back on all the previous and really clever arguments I saw on this thread. I concur for most of them (how a wise man like Eugene can go for his last/risky trip with only one bullet in his gun? For the last scene, why not to push the Japanese hostage in the other wagon against the soldiers and shoot the connection between wagons while staying with AS?….etc….)

 

Until episode 23, I was all in and « pfff »… Everyone died and I have this feeling that time was missing so it was easier to kill everyone. Even the (so beloved) servants of AS in a sort of « suicide » mission (What's the « f-word »????!!!!! bis…)  

I saw at the beginning a huge promise for this series and I am now upset accordingly.

 

I remember a comment of a director (maybe it was Spielberg(?)). He said he made a mistake at the beginning of his carrier because he killed his heroes at the end of one of his movies. He said he learnt something after seeing people reactions. People hate to see the heroes they have learnt to love dying in the end. So, he said there is at least only one rule to follow: never kill your beloved heroes.
A series, or a movie, is not a documentary. If we want to see truth/reality, we look at tv news, heroes die everyday. We want to see hope, at least once. In my opinion, it is the true mission of entertainment.   

I now lost this craving need to see the same beloved scenes again and again. I know the end now so what is the point beside being painful.

 

Ok I am done. I do not feel better but things are said.

 

To finish, I just want to give all my congrats to the staff of this series for their really great job. I fell in love with this series for sure, for the story (except the end, obviously…), the characters, the photography (my goodness, what poetry!), the music, etc…
All the actors/actresses were absolutely awesome. Particularly, I will follow KTR’s carrier for sure, hoping for some works in occidental movies.

 

Thanks to everyone in this thread, for the cleverness of your opinions and your really respectful posts (not so often seen on forum websites nowadays). You absolutely rock here!

It was just some thoughts, no judgments in any ways. I am deeply ok with all the other points of view presented in this thread. I am just trying to heal here, don’t shoot please!

Goodbye to everyone, see you again… maybe!

 

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Hello @viba, welcome to MR.SUNSHINE soompi! LOL! We don't shoot! 2097.gifReally good to read your well-said thoughts and can't agree more about what you wrote about killing off heroes in tv shows. That is totally true, particularly when we watched how the characters grow, adapt and change accordingly. It's just that, I remember reading long time ago that Korean productions (drama and movies, particularly) have an affinity with dying endings because it deliver more impact that people will remember the most. Can't say how true is that because I certainly could not vouch for it. th_dontcare.gifNope.. not after 23 episodes of (fictionally) anticipating and hoping.

 

Anyway, thank you so much for finding us here and writing out to rant/heal about the ending. You may not feel better yet but it does make others feel less in denial. It's still along way to go.. sigh.. but we're here, trying to understand.

 

Saturday is here again. There's no more MR.SUNSHINE. Just Mr.Sad Ending.  th_sigh.gif

 

Crying with @Ahpheng ©strips

 

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The thing with sad ending is that I’ve seen enough Kdramas with sad ending, Sandglass, Damo, Conspiracy in the Court, etc. These are highly rated dramas and rightfully so.  I love each of these dramas to pieces and have rewatched them multiple times despite tragic endings. Because the endings make sense to me, I understand why the beloved characters must die.  For Mr. Sunshine, I feel cheated.  The writer gave us futile hopes and the episodic trailer fooled us multiple times. Yes the premonition “gun, glory, sad ending” was plastered everywhere but I did not expect contrived, forced, meaningless deaths for our characters.  I guess I had high expectation for the writer and I just feel so let down by it. 

 

@rubie I miss my Sat & Sun Sunshine fix too but in a way I am glad this was not a 50 episode drama with this kind of ending.  We would never recover if it was that long :) Love reading everyone’s comments even though the drama is over.  That shows how much we love it.  And @rubie thanks for keeping this thread alive. You are a true gem!

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Clips of KTR saying goodbye and with her right hand and left hand man taken from the BTS video with English translations. She asked them to hold hands......:bawling:

 

Credit: @taeri_yeosin IG

 

 

 

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Goodbye from Mr Sunshine himself. Didn’t know he is so playful and likes to clown around so much.

 

The twitter post below by @teameushin translated his farewell greeting.

 

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44 minutes ago, charray said:

Goodbye from Mr Sunshine himself. Didn’t know he is so playful and likes to clown around so much.

 

The twitter post below by @teameushin translated his farewell greeting.

 

Captain Eugene Choi galloping away on his imaginary horse is the cutest thing!!! :lol::wub:

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So glad to see vids and BTS updates from the cast. Thankful to all who have shared. Somehow it helps to ease the hurt. That photo of Mr Hangraeng and Ms Haman was too cute :wub:  And Eugene's farewell vid I can now connect this funny side of him to all the funny scenes in the drama. I do prefer to think of happy memories even though it will take some time to really get over this drama. 

 

Some have mentioned about not having a wedding or marriage... I've been thinking about that, I thought the exchange of rings was symbolic of that, albeit a Western culture. I thought it was beautifully done.. From the proposal to the train when AeShin placed the ring on Eugene's finger. And the way they kept wearing it long after the mission was completed.

 

I was also thinking that they couldn't have a traditional Korean marriage as that would be too elaborate and festive given the onset of war and turmoil. Could they have done that? I'm actually curious. Could they have a traditional Korean wedding custom at that time? 

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39 minutes ago, writteninthestars09 said:

So glad to see vids and BTS updates from the cast. Thankful to all who have shared. Somehow it helps to ease the hurt. That photo of Mr Hangraeng and Ms Haman was too cute :wub:  And Eugene's farewell vid I can now connect this funny side of him to all the funny scenes in the drama. I do prefer to think of happy memories even though it will take some time to really get over this drama. 

 

Yes, it's been hard to move on from Mr. Sunshine just yet, but I'm glad TVN released the final BTS clips to help us fans cope with the sad ending. :tears: BTW, is your profile picture the sign of Hee Sung's newspaper business? :lol:

 

39 minutes ago, writteninthestars09 said:

Some have mentioned about not having a wedding or marriage... I've been thinking about that, I thought the exchange of rings was symbolic of that, albeit a Western culture. I thought it was beautifully done.. From the proposal to the train when AeShin placed the ring on Eugene's finger. And the way they kept wearing it long after the mission was completed.

 

I was also thinking that they couldn't have a traditional Korean marriage as that would be too elaborate and festive given the onset of war and turmoil. Could they have done that? I'm actually curious. Could they have a traditional Korean wedding custom at that time? 

 

I'm not familiar with Korean wedding tradition of that time, but I would think Ae Shin and Eugene could have had an informal wedding like Ae Shin's parents. In their hearts, AS and Eugene marriage is symbolic like you've mentioned about the ring exchange. :heart:Hopefully, someone who''s more familiar with the tradition can give you a better answer. :sweatingbullets:

 

 

On a lighter note, BYH and YYS were asked about "Fool, Moron, and Loser." :lol:

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1 hour ago, SeReNiTy said:

BTW, is your profile picture the sign of Hee Sung's newspaper business? :lol:

 YES it is the flower :)

He became my fave character in the show. I even made my ID after his character after I learned what his name meant - Hee Sung, the Shining Star Writer :D Would you mind sharing your favorite character too? :)

 

1 hour ago, SeReNiTy said:

I'm not familiar with Korean wedding tradition of that time, but I would think Ae Shin and Eugene could have had an informal wedding like Ae Shin's parents

 

Aah u're right. What would have been an informal Korean Wedding like? I'm fairly new to Kdrama and Korean traditions. I'm guessing it would involve traditional paying of respects to their elders or parents and a tea ceremony? 

 

Btw, i cant view the link you posted above. Was there a video of that interview? 

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9 hours ago, rubie said:

Hello @viba, welcome to MR.SUNSHINE soompi! LOL! We don't shoot! 2097.gifReally good to read your well-said thoughts and can't agree more about what you wrote about killing off heroes in tv shows. That is totally true, particularly when we watched how the characters grow, adapt and change accordingly. It's just that, I remember reading long time ago that Korean productions (drama and movies, particularly) have an affinity with dying endings because it deliver more impact that people will remember the most. Can't say how true is that because I certainly could not vouch for it. th_dontcare.gifNope.. not after 23 episodes of (fictionally) anticipating and hoping.

 

Anyway, thank you so much for finding us here and writing out to rant/heal about the ending. You may not feel better yet but it does make others feel less in denial. It's still along way to go.. sigh.. but we're here, trying to understand.

 

Saturday is here again. There's no more MR.SUNSHINE. Just Mr.Sad Ending.  th_sigh.gif

 

Hello @rubie and thank you so much for your post. Glad to hear I am not the only one... I agree about what you wrote concerning korean productions. Indeed, because I was so impressed by the first two korean drama I saw, I then looked at another ones and movies too. And yes, tragic endings or even just tragic stories seem to be quite often used.

So now, I developed a strategy(!): I look for viewers comments on web before watching. And I do not go for a non complete drama... I am now prepared if everything is messy in the end... This is my Mr Sunshine's lesson(!)  

One positive point: I discovered how good and enriching korean productions may be, mainly on poetic aspects for which I am really sensitive. From my occidental point of view/prism/bias, even if I do not buy those overused (in my opinion) tragic endings/stories, I am pretty sure there will be some room for me to enjoy another great korean productions.

So good job and cheer our minds up soon!

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4 hours ago, SeReNiTy said:

 

 

I'm not familiar with Korean wedding tradition of that time, but I would think Ae Shin and Eugene could have had an informal wedding like Ae Shin's parents. In their hearts, AS and Eugene marriage is symbolic like you've mentioned about the ring exchange. :heart:Hopefully, someone who''s more familiar with the tradition can give you a better answer. :sweatingbullets:

 

 

 

 In neither country (his or hers) would an actual ceremony have been required. Common law marriage was allowed at the time, too, so a marriage certificate wasn't even really required. They could just declare themselves married, which they did.

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@rubie Hi! Thank you! You are so kind. And I said,  "You remembered me?" You're making me feel embarrassed.:blush:. It looks like you are sad about the ending. I'm sorry. I'm sad too.

 

You said you liked my other Eugene gif. So I found one for you! I hope you like it!

 

Me to you:

 

Image result for lee byung hun mr sunshine gif

credit to owner

 

 

 

My thoughts:

Spoiler

 

My thoughts on drama/actors:

I think this drama was very special. I think it was special because it showed a part of history. I don't know a lot about Korean/Japanese history. So I was shocked when I started watching this! I think the drama is trying to tell us what happened. I think the drama is trying to tell us through Eugene's eyes. I hope that the other actors get leading roles in dramas/movies someday. I would love to see more of them. I'm sorry! I don't think I shared my thoughts well. I hope you enjoyed this drama from start to finish. I hope I meet you in a future thread! :).

Edit: I think I repeated myself! Please ignore it! :D 

 

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1 hour ago, burningpotato said:

 In neither country (his or hers) would an actual ceremony have been required. Common law marriage was allowed at the time, too, so a marriage certificate wasn't even really required. They could just declare themselves married, which they did.

Thanks for this! 

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Ahahah, the farewell greeting were so fun! Hilarious! I think the actors must know that the fans need some soothing picture.  Eugene Choi galloping away  toward the sunset is the scene many fans could have imagined. Brilliant humor by Lee Byung Hun. I like him even more.

 

 

@charray may I post your gif of galloping Eugene in a facebook group please?

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1 hour ago, marfisa said:

Ahahah, the farewell greeting were so fun! Hilarious! I think the actors must know that the fans need some soothing picture.  Eugene Choi galloping away  toward the sunset is the scene many fans could have imagined. Brilliant humor by Lee Byung Hun. I like him even more.

 

 

@charray may I post your gif of galloping Eugene in a facebook group please?

 

@marfisa  Sure, please feel free to do so. 

 

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A cute twitter post below on the pros and cons of dating 5 main characters. Very funny.....:D

 

Credit: @Ending13Sad onTwitter

 

 

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