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@writteninthestars09  since the ending changed many people's opinion about Mr Sunshine in a negative way, maybe it's just as well Mr Havens didn't post his views about the finale.

 

@rubie  yes busy days ahead but

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it depends on how good BSB"s drama is - I confess to not having watched his latest drama (ended some months ago). Too preoccupied with things Hwang CY :)

 

Looking at the comments section in the official video of OST 15, I saw  a comment that the OST trended third (on 30 September?) on Twitter? in Pakistan (top 2 were Kpop idol groups, one of them being NU'EST W who also sang an OST for Mr Sunshine)!  

 

@pearlynguyen love reading your post. I am not that much into Kdramas myself, somehow Korean scriptwriters can't come up with reasonable, satisfactory endings but IMHO one can never go wrong with Korean drama OSTs, they are simply awesome! I even love the OSTs of dramas that I haven't watched or watched partially.

 

Kim Kap Soo, the excellent actor playing Eun-san the potter was in a Kdrama that I never watched entirely

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"Emperor of the Sea" has an awesome soundtrack, my favourite being' "Prayer" by Lee Hyun Sup.

 

 

Hopefully one day Hwang Chi Yeul (my sole bias) will get to sing  a song of the calibre of the above OST. 

 

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@cynkdf I wouldn't say that the reaction to MR.SUNSHINE have turned negative, it's just a bit of unsatisfactory sinking feeling after anticipating a believable and reasonable ending (even with sad ending indication were all there). From what I have read, most fans still love and appreciate the drama a lot, only that episodes 23-24 may not be as memorable as it would have been. I still watch the scenes again but (for now), I'll skip the train scene. This is just my opinion, I'm no writer, just a viewer but I felt that the two ending episodes were not as sharp and meticulous as the earlier 22 episodes. I remember being amazed how everything in the early episodes would interconnect with the plot, small things that we thought might be ignored. When SooMi was held hostage, Eugene spoke in English in order to free her (working for the Logan family helped save her life). It's a simple tactic but created an impact for that scene.. there're many others but I can't remember them now. Maybe I am the ignorant one, but I felt that the finale was simplified way too much without a real fight. Perhaps, it's because of time-constraint as they need to finish the already long-enough filming. Perhaps, Eugene is just isn't as sharp as he was in the Marines. 3 years in jail might have made him forgotten how to be a soldier. Maybe that is the only explanation. th_dontknow.gif

 

I'm still sharing all I can about the drama, maybe that way.. one day I would feel less in denial and be more reasonable in my thinking as a viewer. ^_^

 

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I haven't been following BSB for awhile either.. drama or updates. It seems that he switched agencies, right? Nonetheless, hope he's doing well and the new drama will be a good one. Remember how we were watching and discussing Temptation of An Angel.. those were the days. :D

 

Photos: KingKong Entertainment via mrsunshine_thirtybutseventeen

 

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Dong Mae was standing with swords in his hands and waited

to attack those ronin.

That was a good death.

 

Although, when DM was standing on that rock, that was also a great fight.

DM somehow survived then, and ofcourse came back, because 

no one messes with him.

 

I liked that DM found out that no everyone betrayed him, and that Yuzo was

looking for him in Japan.

That was very nice.

 

The fact that those ronin dragged DM over the ground, doesnt make him

any less brave.

Because it took a 100 bad ones to kill the best one.

 

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2 hours ago, rubie said:

@cynkdf I wouldn't say that the reaction to MR.SUNSHINE have turned negative, it's just a bit of unsatisfactory sinking feeling after anticipating a believable and reasonable ending (even with sad ending indication were all there). From what I have read, most fans still love and appreciate the drama a lot, only that episodes 23-24 may not be as memorable as it would have been.

 

 

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I haven't been following BSB for awhile either.. drama or updates. It seems that he switched agencies, right? Nonetheless, hope he's doing well and the new drama will be a good one. Remember how we were watching and discussing Temptation of An Angel.. those were the days. :D

 

Yap From what I've seen, only a few members here are a little disappointed, and some disappointed people on Instagram, on Twitter as far as I know nobody regrets the end of the story, only people who can't sleep until they fall ill see the main character's slaughter:joy:

 

KoalaPlayground, Mydramalist, Asianwiki, hancinema, Especially annoying sites like Dramabeans I have never seen reviews there seriously:):D

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Sorry I’m new to Soompi and I don’t know how to quote properly and how to tag people, so I’m just going to post a new note. Thank you to everyone who has replied/tagged me.

 

I think the black bird is Go Ashin because of the following:

  1. When little Eugene looked up to the sky and saw a black bird, Go grandpa did mention something like “look down, don’t look up it’s dangerous for you as a slave”. It eventually costs him his life because he met Ashin – the black bird
  2. At the harbor where DM shot AS (Korean names/places are very hard for me to remember), the shot where she wearing a black suit and jumping roof with the sun behind, she looked just like a black bird flying in the sky. And later, DM told HK “I shot a black bird so it could never fly again.”
  3. At Eugene’s last moment after he got shot on the train, he looked up to the sky and the black bird was there again. It symbolizes that he has made sure that Ashin – the black bird is still soaring high.
  4. At his burial site, the black bird was there to show that AS through was not with him physically but in spirit and she would guide the next generation Domi, just like she is training for the next generation gunners.
  5. HK once told AS “because you decided to wield a gun, 3 men have lost their ways” and granpa Go also said something like “will the black bird ruins the sky…” Eugene also asked himself right after he got out of prision: “Is there a reason why you caused so much turbulant in my life?…”

This is just my speculation. Talking about the last train ride and the burial site, my heart aches again. Like @Rubie said, at the end, AS couldn’t even visit his grave in person…they are forever separated. I’m the type of person who never believes in the next life, so I’ll just try to do good at this life. While I don’t agree with her behavior toward the end, I feel for her pain though. I think the last one standing is the one suffers the most. I absolutely agree with @Rubie that it should end at episode 21 in front of American legalation in Japan. At that point she had accomplished at least 2 difficult missions: saved the PM and delivered the bank certificate. They both could be shipped back to U.S. Eugene was put in prision while AS was waiting for him outside in U.S. At least it shows some of her devotion to him. All I see from the beginning to the end is just her “take take take and never give back”. When he got out, they both, or just her could advocate for Korea for the world to know of Korea’s suffering and Japan’s annexation. I don’t need kinship or kiss or anything like that. I guess I’m disspoint at the ending because the writer didn’t tie back neatly the subjects that she introduced which led me to a false hope like Ashin keeps saying “there must be things I could help outside Joseon”, like the new guy Eugene met in U.S when he got out…and like when Ashin told her grandpa and HS that “I’m willing to risk everything to walk along side that man” yet all she has done is just to prove the opposite. That’s is not consistent with her characters. That dissapoints me, but overall I love this drama so much.

 

Sorry for a long post, I need to get back to my real world otherwise it’s very intoxicated for me.

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8 hours ago, rocher22 said:

Dong Mae was standing with swords in his hands and waited

to attack those ronin.

That was a good death.

 

Although, when DM was standing on that rock, that was also a great fight.

DM somehow survived then, and ofcourse came back, because 

no one messes with him.

 

I liked that DM found out that no everyone betrayed him, and that Yuzo was

looking for him in Japan.

That was very nice.

 

The fact that those ronin dragged DM over the ground, doesnt make him

any less brave.

Because it took a 100 bad ones to kill the best one.

 

Love how you described this. I couldn't have said it any better. 

 

I love reading viewpoints like this. I love how each one of us has a favorite character in the show that affected us deeply. (Edited: Just wanted to add that DongMae fighting with Musin Society definitely revealed whose side he was on. It was full circle for him. He went back and fought for a country that despised him and fought against the Society that embraced him. I thought that was a perfect culmination of his death.) 

 

I am still moved each time I think about the last two episodes. I think the deaths of each character was presented well and stayed true to their arc. The most painful to watch for me was HeeSung's torture scene. I knew at some point he was going to die. I just didn't expect he would die that way. But I was impressed with how his character stayed true and honorable to the end. He was defenseless. He couldnt even lift a finger to fight back. But he fought back with his words. True to being a writer. That was a powerful scene for me. I still tear up whenever I think about it.

 

I think the last two episodes provided the perfect weave to unite the puzzle pieces of the story. From Hina to DongMae, gunner Jang, HongPa and even Potter Eun San and all the RA.. all their deaths were a virtous and noble one. 

 

Perhaps Eugene's death was the most unacceptable because he was a trained US Marine Captain. There were so many what-ifs to the situation on that train that could have turned out differently. But I think it was exactly because of his military position that made him do what he did. He didnt want to take any chances of having AeShin and her comrades on the other side being killed. He will not use the Japanese businessman as a shield because he is not that kind of person. The businessman was an innocent bystander and not a soldier. He was running out of time he had to act quickly and comply with their mission. 

 

Writer Kim EunSook wrote a wonderful and inspiring story about the Righteous Army. This was a tribute to them and all those who helped or participated in their cause. She showed the world how the Joseon people loved and fought for their country. Come to think of it, I think the word "love" as used in this drama was not really love between a man and a woman. It was love for their country. 

 

When I think back to that scene in the earlier episodes between Eugene and AeShin at the tailor shop. Their conversation about love.. That was a perfect description for what the RA is fighting for... When I think about it, each time they talk about love seems like a symbolism for that.. there were moments Eugene says am I to die for love and scenes like that. ..it seemed to me that all those scenes were referring to this greater cause. This was a love story between the Joseon people and their country. 

 

That's why I love even the final scenes of AeShin in the mountains with Soomi and a new group of RA and that scene also a decade later with Domi and his comrades. It shows hope for their future. That the efforts of all those who fought and died before them were not in vain. 

 

 

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7 hours ago, pearlynguyen said:

5. Eugune also asked himself right after he got out of prision: “Is there a reason why you caused so much turbulant in my life?…”

 

Correction if I'm wrong, isn't that what Eugune meant because he complained to God?

From his words 'Where You there for each and every step I took the reason you cause such tumult in my life is there a reason?' :tears:

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@rubiesorry,  perhaps my post was poorly worded. What I meant to say is that from what I've seen on Twitter, many fans who love the drama right up to ep 23 were severely upset, I'd go even so far as to say, traumatized by the ending. 

 

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Yes BSB switched agencies.

 

On to my pet subject,  the wonderful OSTs of "Mr Sunshine" have, to the surprise of many people, not done well on the charts (especially on melon, the most important music chart in South Korea). There were even a couple of articles in the Korean media about the relatively poor chart performance, when compared to the chart-toppers of previous KES-LEB collaborations, Goblin & DOTS.  I personally am not so surprised because even the OST by the legendary Park Hyo Shin managed to get to only #21 on melon (if I am not mistaken). 

 

 

HCY's OST did well in the first 24 hours after its release on 30 September (understandably, the impact of ep 23 and 24 being aired) but has subsequently struggled on melon.There were several articles in the K-media about this, but only one in English:

 

Thanks, OSEN :)

 

https://channels.vlive.tv/C7A6F1/celeb/1.8485259

 

Current status, for anyone interested:

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12 hours ago, pearlynguyen said:
  • When little Eugene looked up to the sky and saw a black bird, Go grandpa did mention something like “look down, don’t look up it’s dangerous for you as a slave”. It eventually costs him his life because he met Ashin – the black bird
  • At the harbor where DM shot AS (Korean names/places are very hard for me to remember), the shot where she wearing a black suit and jumping roof with the sun behind, she looked just like a black bird flying in the sky. And later, DM told HK “I shot a black bird so it could never fly again.”
  • At Eugene’s last moment after he got shot on the train, he looked up to the sky and the black bird was there again. It symbolizes that he has made sure that Ashin – the black bird is still soaring high.
  • At his burial site, the black bird was there to show that AS through was not with him physically but in spirit and she would guide the next generation Domi, just like she is training for the next generation gunners.

 

12 hours ago, pearlynguyen said:

 

I think the black bird is Go Ashin because of the following:

 

Hi I just read ur post again. 

This is possible too. AeShin was referred as a BlackBird several times. I like this theory too. :):wub:

 

(By the way, to quote someone, you can just click on quote sign on the lower left. Or if you dont want to quote everything, you can just highlight the words and then click on quote.

 

To tag someone, just type @ then their soompi ID. 

Hope that helps). 

 

52 minutes ago, cynkdf said:

On to my pet subject,  the wonderful OSTs of "Mr Sunshine" have, to the surprise of many people, not done well on the charts (especially on melon, the most important music chart in South Korea). There were even a couple of articles in the Korean media about the relatively poor chart performance, when compared to the chart-toppers of previous KES-LEB collaborations, Goblin & DOTS

 

Oh no that's too bad. I really think Mr Sunshine's OSTs are wonderful. A bit melancholic perhaps but no less wonderful. I think maybe because of the sad ending most people do not like to be reminded about it and avoid listening. I do still love listening to the songs and I usually think about the happy scenes rather than the sad ones :)

 

Anyway I wanted to share this video compilation of funny scenes. 

 

It's in Korean only but we all know these scenes by heart, right. My faves are no. 11 and 12. It was so unexpected that it turned out really funny. :D

 

 

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On 10/1/2018 at 11:54 PM, seabysea18 said:

@misspiggie @marfisa your comments always cracked me up.  Thank you. I need this to be able to move on.

 

Did we ever figure out why Eugene only had 1 bullet? Convenient plot device for his tragic demise?

 

You’re welcome. We all need theraphy...  I am also grateful for the comments and analisys of the other forum members. It helps.

 

About the bullets: Eugene came back to Korea without a weapon. We see him at the hospital, killing the three Japanese, by taking one of their guns. He fires. So, the gun runs out of bullets. What a trained marine would have done in this case, before running away, could be for sure take the other weapons and bullets. But we see instead him placing the weapon in a dead person hand... what for? As if this could be a sensible thing to do! To me is a big plot hole.  So, this is the reason Eugene has just one bullet left. Could he find other bullets somewhere else? I think he could, like killing some Japanese (he could do it even without firing) and taking his guns. There were a lot of possibilities but the writer wanted him defenseless. Ready to die.

 

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Thank you @rubie

I think you are right, HS had a premonition of him dying that is why he left the seamstress and her brother to his parents to buffer the grief of losing a son and still continuing the Kim line through adoption.. :)

About the OST not doing well in Melon Chart, IMO its kinda sad and melancholic, and sometimes it reminds you of the drama too much, but for me I super love it, all of it its on my replay playlist, except for the BGM rise again by Elaine still not available on spotify:)

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@writteninthestars09 @elfvanvan Both of you  make a good point -  the sad OSTs would remind people about the tragic ending. Today, I saw a tweet by someone who said she won't listen to Melomance's Good Day again because it was played during Eugene's death scene.

 

For all of one hour at midnight KST on 30 September HCY's OST reached No: 16 on melon and HCY was so cute, he

 

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posted this - thanks to the Weibo fan for the post:

 

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HCY: 16! oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh  (not sure if I got this right, my Mandarin is poor, sadly)

 

 

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1 hour ago, cynkdf said:

@rubiesorry,  perhaps my post was poorly worded. What I meant to say is that from what I've seen on Twitter, many fans who love the drama right up to ep 23 were severely upset, I'd go even so far as to say, traumatized by the ending. 

 

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Yes BSB switched agencies.

 

 

No.. no, please don't apologize.th_hug.gif I know you didn't mean bad.. and everyone here, too. It's true that the fans were upset but I think it's just that knee-jerk reaction seeing the ending so unexpectedly drastic and traumatic. Already 4 days on, I think everyone has started to calm down.. such an impact huh, just from watching MR.SUNSHINE. :sweatingbullets: For me, seeing the word 'negative' might deter new fans from watching the drama, we all just wanted more people to appreciate the drama, regardless of the ending. Hopefully, we will continue to see more comments at this thread especially. Apart from twitter (which surprisingly is buzzing with #MrSunshine), soompi is a good place for discussion and sharing. It's the old-school kinda forum but much easier to navigate from years ago.

 

I remember now... that some pages back while waiting for eps 23-24, I even speculated that EC would be the one dying in the end. I don't know why (didn't wish for it to happen, of course), perhaps because of the grim preview but now that speculative thought is obviously coming back to kick and bite so hard.th_draak.gif

 

@marfisa at the hospital, EC did that.. switching and leaving the guns around because he didn't want the Joseon nurse & doctor to be in trouble by making it look like the Japanese soldiers were the ones shooting and in the end got themselves killed. But I get what you mean, going through Joseon with all the soldiers around, EC should have at least got himself a gun for protection. I mentioned this once, the RA could or should have taken the guns from the Japanese soldiers that they killed before disposing the bodies. If they had done that, perhaps, there would not be the situation where two or more fighters having to share a gun to shoot at the enemy. But I'm not going to criticize the RA, as they're already in a dire condition protecting the nation.

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 @rubie the Japanese authorities would neve held responsible the doctors or the nurses for the stooting, mainly because at that time  they were upstairs taking care of other Japanese wounded soldiers, and thus they had witnesses. Moreover they need their help to care of their future and present wounded people. It was just a plot hole, stupid as hell, and then again,  a marine would have played better his cards. I would really like to ask an expert about stategies or a soldier to get a professional opinion about this plot. As Eugene easily stole an horse, he could steal weapons too.

I want to add that when a writer writes a plot about things is not expert of, hires experts to get advice...  so I think KES next time will be better off hiring some consultant on matters she clearly has no clue.  

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Nope, no, uh-huh, not acceptable. 

 

Finally saw the last episode, and... nope.

 

Couldn't SOMEONE get a happy ending? Was this necessary? Nope.

 

Seriously, even as it was happening, I was thinking "He could have shot out the pin from the other side, or he could have shot it and then jumped. This doesn't work. I can accept everything else, but this doesn't make sense." 

 

I mean, I guess that the writers wanted to honor the truth of war by killing everyone? I guess? But the only survivor was the least interesting and least compelling character!

 

Honestly, I don't even want to go back and watch favorite scenes now, knowing how it ends. It's not all the death that gets to me. That was always going to be part of it. It's the way it played out. 

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@rubie I watched again episode 23 till the scene of the hospital. I apology, because I was wrong, Eugene had a gun on his own. But to fire the Japanes he uses a gun taken from the first Japanese he puts down. Then he put it back in the hand of the dead Japanese. So I should watch the restof the episode  to find out where the bullets of his own gun went, because I don't remember at all.  Still, he could steal a gun and bullets anywhere. I am upset.

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@charray may I put the story you digged about dye the fingernail on my group on Facebook? I will credit you and name this forum of course. There are many people in need to something nice, to feel better. Thanks in advance

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29 minutes ago, marfisa said:

@charray may I put the story you digged about dye the fingernail on my group on Facebook? I will credit you and name this forum of course. There are many people in need to something nice, to feel better. Thanks in advance

 

Sure, no problem. You can post or share whatever I had shared here in this thread as you wish and wherever you like. It is for sharing. No need to credit me or my name. I am a shy person. :D

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18 hours ago, pearlynguyen said:

 

 

I think the black bird is Go Ashin because of the following:

  1. When little Eugene looked up to the sky and saw a black bird, Go grandpa did mention something like “look down, don’t look up it’s dangerous for you as a slave”. It eventually costs him his life because he met Ashin – the black bird
  2. At the harbor where DM shot AS (Korean names/places are very hard for me to remember), the shot where she wearing a black suit and jumping roof with the sun behind, she looked just like a black bird flying in the sky. And later, DM told HK “I shot a black bird so it could never fly again.”
  3. At Eugene’s last moment after he got shot on the train, he looked up to the sky and the black bird was there again. It symbolizes that he has made sure that Ashin – the black bird is still soaring high.
  4. At his burial site, the black bird was there to show that AS through was not with him physically but in spirit and she would guide the next generation Domi, just like she is training for the next generation gunners.
  5. HK once told AS “because you decided to wield a gun, 3 men have lost their ways” and granpa Go also said something like “will the black bird ruins the sky…” Eugene also asked himself right after he got out of prision: “Is there a reason why you caused so much turbulant in my life?…”

This is just my speculation. Talking about the last train ride and the burial site, my heart aches again. Like @Rubie said, at the end, AS couldn’t even visit his grave in person…they are forever separated. 

 

I think I quite like this theory. Perhaps it is to show that Ae Shin had died by 1919 and the black bird is to symbolise her spirit had returned to Eugene in Joseon and to keep him company and visiting his grave. Makes it less sad and lonely this way.

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