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[Drama 2018] Mr. Sunshine, 미스터 션샤인 - Winner of Critics’ Choice Award for Drama category

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1 minute ago, anipanch said:

I do remember, but how many times do you suggest he does it before he ends up jailed somewhere, leaving AS on her own?

 

This here, you said it already. That's why Grandpa didn't ask him directly to protect AS, because it is a crisis time and AS might end up in a critical situation at any given time, where EC's ways of helping AS won't be as effective. I'm not saying that DM is better or knows better how to protect her but i'm trying to be reasonable here, who will succeed more in keeping AS alive, no matter what? 

 

Paraphrasing AS in E12 when she talks to Gunner Jang about EC: His choices are quiet yet effective. On the surface they seem a bit cold and selfish but all his actions have always been leading him down the right path.

 

There is no evidence in the show's canon to show that Eugene's methods are not effective. On the contrary, he has been shown to be pretty smart and strategic most of the times. So, what gives you the impression that he won't succeed in keeping Ae Shin alive? Show me one DM move that has been successful when it comes to his intentions regarding Ae Shin's safety - him shooting her didn't stop her, him cutting her hair turned out to be for nothing - his moves have been more about stopping AE shin rather than stopping the threats facing her. So yeah, it will be reasonable for me to expect Eugene to do better.

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2 minutes ago, mistergenie said:

So, what gives you the impression that he won't succeed in keeping Ae Shin alive? Show me one DM move that has been successful when it comes to his intentions regarding Ae Shin's safety - him shooting her didn't stop her, him cutting her hair turned out to be for nothing - his moves have been more about stopping AE shin rather than stopping the threats facing her. So yeah, it will be reasonable for me to expect Eugene to do better.

I'm not insisting that EC will fail in protecting AS, but rather what I want to say is the fact that yes he is very logical and works things out very well, but most of the time it is his American status that gives him a big advantage and I'm not sure until when it will help him out, considering the fact that the situation is getting chaotic every day. That aside, he is more about sacrificing himself, like we saw what he did when AS shoot the Japanese soldier. It will get harder for him, since US is pretty much moving out from Joseon and losing their influence. And I can't say anything about DM either, so far we haven't seen what he achieved by cutting her hair, maybe their's still something to it. EIther way, Grandfather saw something in his move that made him worthy of asking to protect AS and I hope the writer won't mess it up and make it hard to understand what she is trying to achieve with DM's character. 

 

I'll take a break fro The DM/AS/EC drama and want to talk a bit about HS. I feel so sorry for him??? Like the boy wanted to have a simple life, to enjoy the flowers, the wind and the sun and all the little things but look at where he is now. Holding a gun, soaked in blood. My heart really broke for him and honestly he is such a tragic character, I feel like he won't have a happy ending and it saddens me so much. Cinnamon roll deserves better :(  

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23 minutes ago, anipanch said:

That's why Grandpa didn't ask him directly to protect AS, because it is a crisis time and AS might end up in a critical situation at any given time, where EC's ways of helping AS won't be as effective. I'm not saying that DM is better or knows better how to protect her but i'm trying to be reasonable here, who will succeed more in keeping AS alive, no matter what? 

 

I think I have to digress. I am confident that Eugene can do a better job of protecting Ae Shin than Dong Mae, especially when Ae Shin is his woman and he understands and knows her well. 

 

I think maybe Grandpa is thinking of the bigger picture for the safety of Joseon to ask Eugene to kill Mōri. He probably want Eugene to focus on the task of taking down Mōri. In a way, he is throwing back Eugene’s words back at  him, the part about saving Joseon. Perhaps it is to show that he is still not giving Eugene his blessing too as to ask Eugene to protect Ae Shin is akin to giving his blessing. 

 

But why Grandpa has no confidence in his own granddaughter? She even came to the rescue of Hui Seong. I was so happy when the RA and Ae Shin came to his rescue. I do not want him to die so fast too as he can still contribute to saving Joseon through his newspaper. 

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Ae Shin is capable of protecting herself well but she could be acting on impulse now that her emotions are affected by Lord Go's death and those close to her. Her growing anger might get the worst of her this time. Usually it's Gunner Jang talking some senses into her but he's now on a job for the Emperor. Lord Go is taking the risk with his last chance by having the 2 men keep an eye on AS. From his point of view, he has seen how only the two (EC & DM) actually cared enough for AS and her family well-being.

 

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Can Ms. Haman be saved like the servant girl accidentally shot by Lee Se Hoon earlier on? But then, everything is now in chaos and the hospital is controlled by the Japanese. What a terrible mess. Poor Ae Shin, poor Mr. Haengrang. th_sad004.gif Now we've lost (at least) three good people in one episode. th_sad008.gif

 

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1 hour ago, mistymorning said:

Just watched episode 19.  Oh my god... my stress level..... cried like a river and now I'm heading to the headache world..... 

 

Here is the text preview for episode 20.

 

Aeshin(Kim Taeri) is leaving Eugene(Lee Byung-Hun) as RA fighter ...

Russo-Japanese war break out, Eugene gets an order to transfer back to US!

 

 

 

Russo-Japanese war broke out in Feb 1904. The show's current timeline is at least mid 1903. Are we in for another time jump? Part of me thinks the two events mentioned in the synopsis are not going to happen simultaneously - for all intents and purposes AE Shin has already gone underground as full fledged member of the RA. Methinks, they (EC and AS) will both be together after some tumultuous events and then their bliss will be shattered by the war and the subsequent transfer order.

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32 minutes ago, anipanch said:

I'm not insisting that EC will fail in protecting AS, but rather what I want to say is the fact that yes he is very logical and works things out very well, but most of the time it is his American status that gives him a big advantage and I'm not sure until when it will help him out, considering the fact that the situation is getting chaotic every day. That aside, he is more about sacrificing himself, like we saw what he did when AS shoot the Japanese soldier. It will get harder for him, since US is pretty much moving out from Joseon and losing their influence. And I can't say anything about DM either, so far we haven't seen what he achieved by cutting her hair, maybe their's still something to it. EIther way, Grandfather saw something in his move that made him worthy of asking to protect AS and I hope the writer won't mess it up and make it hard to understand what she is trying to achieve with DM's character. 

I agree with you. Lord Go made a comparison between entering through the front door and jumping the wall. DM's methods to protect AS would be more devious than Eugene's and the grandfather deemed them more efficient. It is a chaotic time and Eugene's style is not well suited for this time.

Moreover, I think Lord Go also picked on the fact that DM has better access to information than Eugene. And what happens afterwards proves him right: while Eugene plays with the Russian doll at the Legation, DM is already going to Jemulpo, although his yakuza boss probably stopped him. Without information, Eugene cannot do much.

 

I also found it interesting that while DM was paid, Eugene was not. I think this makes Lord Go's decision ambiguous. Probably he started to trust Eugene in the end. It is also interesting that Lord Go mentioned the black bird story, so maybe in a certain way, he made peace with the fact that AS has fallen in love with Eugene.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, tzupi said:

 

I also found it interesting that while DM was paid, Eugene was not. I think this makes Lord Go's decision ambiguous. Probably he started to trust Eugene in the end. It is also interesting that Lord Go mentioned the black bird story, so maybe in a certain way, he made peace with the fact that AS has fallen in love with Eugene.

 

 

I had totally missed out the point that Dong Mae was paid while Eugene was not. That did put a different perspective to it. Thanks for pointing this out.

 

I did not quite understand what Lord Go mean when he said that he is the black bird over Eugene. Is he implying that Eugene has to accept his decision since he is the elder here being Ae Shin’s grandpa, in a way acknowledging Ae Shin’s relationship with Eugene? 

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38 minutes ago, charray said:

I did not quite understand what Lord Go mean when he said that he is the black bird over Eugene. Is he implying that Eugene has to accept his decision since he is the elder here being Ae Shin’s grandpa, in a way acknowledging Ae Shin’s relationship with Eugene? 

Yes, something along these lines.

First, by using the black bird comparison, Lord Go acknowledges that he remembers Eugene. And also that he was impressed with Eugene's wisdom.

Second, I think Lord Go tries to force Eugene to make a decision about his nationality.

Eugene was always a character that hid behind his American nationality. He uses it as a cover, but also as an excuse. We saw him coming a long way from the first episodes where he did not want to have anything to do with Joseon, but he is still clinging to his American nationality. He helps Joseon people, not the country. (he accepted his instructor job for protecting AS and the potter).

 

So I think Lord Go tries to push him even more out of his comfort zone and make him be clearer on what side he is fighting.

EC is in the safest position now, for him there is always a possibility of leaving and we saw AS's scenes in America were very dreamy, it is like a paradise. It is in a way like the blue sky.

By requesting to kill Mori, lord Go made it difficult for Eugene to have the safe alternative (I also think this safe alternative is more wishful thinking, for America was never so nice for Eugene as AS was dreaming).

If Eugene kills Mori, I do not know if he can return to being an American soldier. So killing Mori, it is, in my opinion, giving up on being an American soldier.

 

This is my interpretation, kind of very convoluted. Of course, there is also the easy interpretation: Lord Go is the black bird because he does not want to see Eugene with AS.

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, tzupi said:

Of course, there is also the easy interpretation: Lord Go is the black bird because he does not want to see Eugene with AS.

 

 

 

This+a. Lord Go is basically saying he knows he is ruining Eugene. Exactly like little Eugene said, a black bird can ruin the whole sky. 

 

The task Lord Go gave Eugene, killing the head of Japanese military as an American means there is really small wriggle room Eugene can have. Higher chance of serious consequence if Eugene is found out as a killer. So no happy ever after with Aeshin, and looks like Lord Go doesn't mind that either. 

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27 minutes ago, tzupi said:

If Eugene kills Mori, I do not know if he can return to being an American soldier. So killing Mori, it is, in my opinion, giving up on being an American soldier

i agree....the old man was very cruel to both men...

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A country can invade and take over another country, it can bring on destruction & death.  Evil, greed and small minded men like Mori will believe that they will forever have the upper hand.  That power, cruelty, and the control of preying on the weak and defenseless.  Will destroy the spirit of the Joseon people and the love that lies rooted within their hearts for their country.

Not So...

 

That hanging a woman for all to see to bring fear or trying to stop them from showing respect or honor to those traditions and values and people that they hold so dear. 

One can do all of that and yet the one thing that no man can touch or take from another not even in their last breath.  Is their true sense of self who and what they are and that which lies within them that cannot be seen, taken or destroyed. 

unless given... Freely ...

 

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I cant help but to join the thread ...been a silent lurker for a while...my heart is in explosion right now...

Lee Wan Ik is such a brilliant and effective actor...he made me hate the character so much...the scenes from the last episode made me remember the plight of my ancestors when the Japanese invaded our country...Im excited when I saw Ae Sin at the rooftop it was a beacon of hope in a moment of bleak situation and future.

I am so proud of Hui Song. (don't know the spelling) He wasn't that worthless un-employed playboy afterall. I hope that nothing had happened to the lady servant and confidante of Ae Sin but death is inevitable. I am thrilled and been holding my seat for the next episode... 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, mistymorning said:

This+a. Lord Go is basically saying he knows he is ruining Eugene. Exactly like little Eugene said, a black bird can ruin the whole sky. 

 

The task Lord Go gave Eugene, killing the head of Japanese military as an American means there is really small wriggle room Eugene can have. Higher chance of serious consequence if Eugene is found out as a killer. So no happy ever after with Aeshin, and looks like Lord Go doesn't mind that either. 

Yes, but Lord Go does not seem to be a cruel person. This is why I do not think he did it with the intention of ruining Eugene. And it is not clear to me that he necessarily wanted to keep Eugene and AS apart. But one thing that probably he does not want is for AS to leave the country.

What he requested from Eugene was to sacrifice something for the country (not only for some Joseon people and something important).

But I do not necessarily see this as a bad thing, for if Eugene really kills Mori, there would be no turning back for Eugene, he would become a Joseon person. If that happens, he would have bigger chances to end with AS. Because I do not see her going with him to the States.

 

 

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2 hours ago, mistymorning said:

This+a. Lord Go is basically saying he knows he is ruining Eugene. Exactly like little Eugene said, a black bird can ruin the whole sky. 

 

The task Lord Go gave Eugene, killing the head of Japanese military as an American means there is really small wriggle room Eugene can have. Higher chance of serious consequence if Eugene is found out as a killer. So no happy ever after with Aeshin, and looks like Lord Go doesn't mind that either. 

 

YEP. THIS^^

 

Dong Mae put it succinctly well to Eugene - the old man ensured that both of us could not get close to his granddaughter - by giving Eugene a high stakes, possibly perilous mission to kill Mori, a mission that would require his undivided attention plus put his life at risk and OTOH, paying money to DM to act as Ae Shin's bodyguard thereby ensuring DM maintaining a healthy, professional distance from Ae Shin.  

 

2 hours ago, andy78 said:

i agree....the old man was very cruel to both men...

I can understand him being cruel to Dong Mae but to twist the knife into Eugene was a low blow by Grandpa Go because he already knew that Ae Shin's heart belonged to Eugene yet he still went ahead and tried to make sure that Eugene would stay away from her due to his mission.

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2 hours ago, tzupi said:

Yes, but Lord Go does not seem to be a cruel person. This is why I do not think he did it with the intention of ruining Eugene. And it is not clear to me that he necessarily wanted to keep Eugene and AS apart. But one thing that probably he does not want is for AS to leave the country.

What he requested from Eugene was to sacrifice something for the country (not only for some Joseon people and something important).

But I do not necessarily see this as a bad thing, for if Eugene really kills Mori, there would be no turning back for Eugene, he would become a Joseon person. If that happens, he would have bigger chances to end with AS. Because I do not see her going with him to the States.

 

 

Well, if you remember, this is the scene.(subtitle from Netflix, well mostly)

 

Lord Go:(to DM) I heard you will do anything for a price. (giving DM money) That is all I can give you. Please Protect Aeshin.

Lord Go:(to EC) You said you don't want Joseon to fall. I feel the same. I beg of you. Please kill the Japanese colonel.

DM: Why am I the protector and he is the killer.

Lord Go: A man who will provide protection by any means necessary and a man who will not allow any mistake along the way. It's the difference between a man who scales the wall and a man who will enter through the door.

EC: Why it's not LWI but that Japanese soldier?

Lord Go: Lee Wanik can be killed by the hands of Joseon man. However, if a Joseon man kills that Japanese soldier, it will give Japan a reason to attack Joseon. That's why I'm leaving it to you, an American soldier.

EC:(losing light in his eyes, and with a shaken voice) You're... so very cruel to me.

Lord Go: You can blame me all you want. I intend to become the black bird to your sky.

EC(looking down).

 

(scene change) Outside beside the fallen wall.

DM: In the end, he got both of us well away from Lady Aeshin. He made me protect her, and you a killer. Cruel old man.

EC(monologue): It doesn't matter who is the saddest. We walk on our own paths, but will reach the same place in the end. I love you. (showing Aeshin in the shed) So my dear, please stay alive. Eventually, no one's ending will be a happy one.

 

From this exchange, I think it's official to say Lord Go's request to Eugene is a cruel one. I think, basically Lord Go and Aeshin come from the same mould. They share the code what to do with a great cause, and while Aeshin loves Eugene so will not put him in danger unnecessarily, Lord Go doesn't and comparing to the great cause of Joseon, Eugene is an acceptable sacrifice. Lord Go also applied same priciples to himself and only exception is Aeshin.

 

For killing Takashi, because US and Japan were allies then, if Eugene were to be found as a killer he could be prosecuted as a murderer in the military court. Considering the position Mori has, I don't expect a good result from it. So.. what Lord Go is asking Eugene is a grave sacrifice, which could mean his life.

 

 

 

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Eugene probably kill Takashi Mori in duel (Jemulpo Temple)

(the duel of officers is frequent in these times in many countries, they were often fought when they were offended or some honorable case)

 

Mori probably will want see result his actions and Eugene go with Kyle/american soldiers

 

Mori: "You have been making a stand where you shouldn't be"

Eugene: "Because I'm going to kill you"

preview after ep 18, both of them has not spoken these sentence yet

 

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What a twist.. Such a cruel but necessary action by Lord Go, he's not going to make things easy for anyone after he's gone.. he wants to ensure the best 'legacy' for his granddaughter. He may not be around anymore.. but he has the life insurance and a revenge plan all set up for Ae Shin.

 

Big thanks to everyone for the enlightenment (great discussion as always).. although it's really the hardest part of the drama to learn and take in right now. :(

 

Source: TV Daily

 

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AGB Nielsen Ratings:

 

Episode 1   7/7/18       8.852%

Episode 2   7/8/18       9.691%

Episode 3   7/14/18    10.082%

Episode 4   7/15/18    10.567%

Episode 5   7/21/18    10.835%

Episode 6   7/22/18     11.713%

Episode 7  7/28/18      11.114%

Episode 8  7/29/18      12.330%

Episode 9  8/3/18        11.695%

Episode 10  8/4/18      13.534%

Episode 11  8/11/18    12.792%

Episode 12  8/12/18    13.399%

Episode 13  8/18/18    13.327%

Episode 14  8/19/18    15.626%

Episode 15  8/25/18     12.893%

Episode 16  8/26/18   15.023%

Episode 17  9/1/18        7.694%

Episode 18  9/2/18     14.722%

Episode 19  9/8/18      14.114%

 

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A tribute.. for a great companion.. 

 

Source: Will Entertainment via YTN

 

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