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[Drama 2018] Mr. Sunshine, 미스터 션샤인 - Winner of Critics’ Choice Award for Drama category

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This drama is not good for my blood pressure, and my stress level.. The wait for the next episode is real.. Haist :tears:

 

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4 minutes ago, soara said:

@blademan  @mistergenie I think he did that to protect her in his own way. And his way for sure is not everybody's taste.

But i am pretty sure he did that for her sake. 

Guys i don't think of dong mae as villain and i am sure he will join the righteous army to protect joseon at the end too.

 

But i am pretty sure he did that for her sake. 

DM can't keep justifying (even internally), anything and everything he does by using that excuse. So, Ae Shin has no say in this? He takes away her agency - she was powerless in that moment to stop him - and it is not a good feeling at all.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, soara said:

@blademan  @mistergenie I think he did that to protect her in his own way. And his way for sure is not everybody's taste.

But i am pretty sure he did that for her sake. 

 

I think you're right.  In a way too, she will be free to be a sniper or whatever to support the RA.  People might think she's staying away from the public because of shame but she's not (to see the tears welling in DM's eyes.... guess I'll wait for the sub too)

 

 

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1 hour ago, mistergenie said:

 

But i am pretty sure he did that for her sake. 

DM can't keep justifying (even internally), anything and everything he does by using that excuse. So, Ae Shin has no say in this? He takes away her agency - she was powerless in that moment to stop him - and it is not a good feeling at all.

 

 

Yes it is not. And dong mae was aware it wasn't good either. But he thought it was the best thing he could do for her even if she hates him.

Don't think of dong mae as a normal person like others. For judging him we should see how he grown up. he grown up with hating everybody becuese all people see them as not human but animal and at the end even his family left him to protect him and died. i think sometimes his story was even more sadder than eugene. all good persons he had in his life were hina,  that girl and his guys.

but after a time being now i can see he is trying to become a better person especially because now he has hee sung and eugene as his friends too.

Actually i'm enjoying watching his changing.

I LOVE ALL 5 CHARACTER AND THEIR CHANGING IN THIS DRAMA.

 

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Hi Soompiers!  I've still yet to watch Ep. 18; so I'm anticipating the outcomes today's episodes with trepidation!   I know I'll have to brace myself for the heartache and tragedy (especially given the ultimate Japanese colonization of Joseon Korea), but my heart still can't take the pressure! :dissapointed_relieved:

 

Standard disclaimer:

1. Apologies in advance for the long post AND multiple quotes. :D

2. Please let me know if I've missed any significant plot point and/or characterization.

 

22 hours ago, mistymorning said:

@KDramaLogic, I watch this with Netflix english subtitle on sometimes just for the sake of checking subtitle accuracy and for the pleasure of seeing how some korean lines are interpreted in english, and it's not that bad. Sometimes it has some mistakes but not that many, and not to the extent that it'll disrupt the whole story progress. So I highly recommend you Netflix if you are watching this without subs as a non-korean speaker.

 

So far, I'm cool with pacing of this drama. I wasn't into KES drama before like this, so I cannot say KES track records with latter part of her series, but so far I think I got the good vibe. But, we'll have to see. 

 

 

Thanks for the advice.  Nowadays, due to my busy schedule, I haven't had time to browse and/or watch many dramas or movies, whether in Korean or English; so I didn't figure that I'd need a Netflix subscription.  But, as @lilyphenix,  @kansas424 and @meechuttso (and other Soompiers) proclaimed, Mr. Sunshine is a rare, one-of-a-kind gem that I would not expect from any K-drama writers, including KES.  So, I'll see if I should make an exception for this drama and subscribe to Netflix for a better viewing experience and understanding, instead of toggling between the unsubbed episodes and recaps/comments found in Soompi, Dramabeans (despite certain extreme biased comments and recap, the Dramabeans website does include as many details and major plot points with screenshots of the episodes), dramamilk, etc.:rolleyes:

 

18 hours ago, lilyphenix said:

Random thoughts on episode 17 

- DM can't die yet: I'm not ready. (throws tantrum, wipes tears) :tears:

- Exactly how many elders does AS' family have? That's not a family, that's a tribe! <3 :blink:

- Japanese soldiers behaving as if they own Joseon is :rage:

- AS memorizing all the soldiers' faces...

- Just when I thought my heart was going to break, and was wondering where he is when we need him... Someone sure knows how to make a dramatic entrance.

- I thereby crown EC the King of Shades! ;-)

 

@meechuttso I read the beginning of your post (the popularity index; thank you!), but not the end yet. I will come back and read all posts after I finish watching last night's episode. :)

 

1. Like other major characters here, DM has yet to fully evolve past his trauma and misgivings in the midst of the imminent Japanese annexation.  He cannot die yet!

2. Well, AS' grandfather isn't addressed as nobleman Lord Go for nothing. ^_^

3. Well,  Wan Ik is shown strutting in and out of any household affairs including the royal grounds (ugh, someone cut the b****** before he ruins/kills more lives!:angry:).  Not to mention that one Japanese ambassador was randomly shooting around the village while dragging the Joseon-spy-disguised-as-a-geisha in Ep. 7.<_<

4. AS is about to cut the b******.  Btw, were you making a Game of Thrones reference regarding Arya Stark's making the list of the Freys and others responsible for her family's death/separation/etc.- hence' "memorization of all the soldiers' faces"?  If so, then Wan Ik and other Japanese (loyalists) better watch out: "The North remembers" and "Winter is coming". :ph34r:

5. I'm all for AS (and HN) taking initiatives and defending themselves and their cause, be it with rifles (and a fedora to boot) or fencing swords (come on HN; show 'em how it's done!).  But that doesn't mean AS cannot use some help, especially when it makes a dramatic entrance in the form of EC aka Sunshine King of Shades!

6. Speaking of which, now we need Alpheng @Ahpheng to reappear again on Soompi and make  comics highlighting more of EC's trademark shades:lol:! (Off-topic, what happened with Alpheng on Soompi?  I could not link Alpheng's profile in the post.)

 

13 hours ago, rubie said:

praise_good_job.gifHaman Daek saves the day (or rather Ae Shin's diary), big time!

 

You're the best right-hand (wo)man! yes.gif

 

Thoughts of Ep17: It's a well-meant gesture of Eugene to visit Hee Sung's mother to let her know that he has nothing against her son. It's also for her to know that EC kept his promise, he wasn't the one telling HS about the past.. he never let slip not even one detail about the incident until HS found out about it by himself. The ornament was the last thing given to EC by his mother, although not her own, it became hers as Eugene held on to it for many years as a motivation for him to survive in America. I think Lady Yun is commendable for her action, she stood up owning the responsibility of what happened 30 years ago and bowed down to atone for their mistakes. That's why Eugene wants her to support Hee Sung, in reminiscence of his own mother protecting him to the end of her life. Even without his forgiveness, Eugene wants Lady Yun to have her closure as well.

 

HI @rubie!!!!!!!!!  I (as well as everyone else here, as you can see here) am glad you're back!!!!  We appreciate your feedback and contribution to the Mr. Sunshine thread, and, given the trajectory and cliffhanger of yesterday's episode and the Ep. 18 preview, we need you more than ever for your thoughts, updates, and other info about the drama that we may have missed!

 

Also, sorry to cut/modify your post above; I don't know if I'm supposed to re-quote pictures/graphics.  But anyhow, this post is already long enough!:sweatingbullets:

 

And finally, I'm relieved that EC managed to reassess and move past his life-altering, cruel trauma, visit and reassure HS' mother that he means no harm to HS just because of the tragic outcome of that fateful day.

1. As you stated above, HS' mother already acknowledged her father's (and, to a lesser extent, her and HS' father's) culpability in EC's parents senseless mistreatment and death- and EC's near-death chase as a child no less and begged for forgiveness.  I'm sure that if HS' mother were in EC's mother's (and DM's mother's and AS' mother's) dire position, she'd do anything to make sure HS escapes alive (at the expense of her own life/safety), even if it mean's holding the slave master's daughter hostage at knifepoint.

2. Now, EC starts recovering from the unresolved pain of his childhood trauma and forgiving HS' mother (don't know about HS' father though) for said trauma.  Of course we can't expect EC (or any characters suffering from life-altering traumas, especially as children) to entirely let go of the tragic past and/or forgive those responsible for his parents' sufferings and death, but, for his sake, it helps that EC can move forward with his unforseen future (hopefully with AS, but, given the historical context...).

3. Last but not least, HS' mother realizes that EC would not go so far as even revealing his past to HS, lest he holds HS more responsible for one of the many atrocities his family- namely, his grandfather- committed. 

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29 minutes ago, soara said:

@blademan  @mistergenie I think he did that to protect her in his own way. And his way for sure is not everybody's taste.

But i am pretty sure he did that for her sake. 

Guys i don't think of dong mae as villain and i am sure he will join the righteous army to protect joseon at the end too.

Thanks for sharing your opinion about DM, pretty much anyone here is very harsh when it comes to his character.

The way I see it, at the first glance, I concluded that he did so in order to actually give people one reason to talk about AS and stop all of the numerous malicious rumors that they spread about her. The possibility of DM cutting off AS' hair just so she can't leave her house seems to simple to me and I don't think he expects AS to just stay at home 24/7 because her hair was cut off.

Anyway, I understand why people find DM unlikable and are bothered by his actions but we also should remember his background and the fact that no one taught him any better. He was a lowborn and only saw bad things his whole life. I'm even surprised he isn't acting any worse and is clearly trying his best when it comes to AS.

The only reason one could hate DM for me is that at some point he betrayed his country and served Japan's interests. That is definitely something that should be looked down on. other things are only I'd say natural, he can't be any other way

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Wow! E17 is full of memorable scenes. The breakup of Heusung and AeSin (could be considered as a one sided love). The shooting down of Dong Mae. The confrontation of former military buddies Eugene and the other american guy (didn't get the name) with both of them entering the place riding a horse adding to the suspense.

 

I hope the director will not kill Dong Mae in the next episode. He has a lot more to contribute to make this drama better. I hate Heusung because he took a lot of time to call for a rickshaw and some help. Why are Korean dramas always like that? No sense of emergency to help a bleeding person that is about to die. 

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waiting to watch ep 18...let's hope we will have more otp moments next week....

12 minutes ago, KDramaLogic said:

 Game of Thrones reference regarding Arya's making the list of the Freys and others responsible for her family's death/separation/etc.- hence' "memorization of all the soldiers' faces"?  If so, then Wan Ik and other Japanese (loyalists) better watch out: "The North remembers" and "Winter is coming". :ph34r:

i so like Arya...I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IF OUR GIRL WILL TAKE THE REVENGE PATH TOO...

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38 minutes ago, KDramaLogic said:

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4. AS is about to cut the b******.  Btw, were you making a Game of Thrones reference regarding Arya Stark's making the list of the Freys and others responsible for her family's death/separation/etc.- hence' "memorization of all the soldiers' faces"?  If so, then Wan Ik and other Japanese (loyalists) better watch out: "The North remembers" and "Winter is coming". :ph34r:

 

Yes, I was. Was thinking, "Uh Oh!" as AS was studying the soldiers' faces, and I pictured her taking revenge. I'd take the GOT reference a step further and says that she, at times, also reminds me of the Mother of Dragons: How many men are under her charms and ready fight tooth, nails and lives for her? 3? ^_^

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I don't know if any of you have watched the princess man drama. A noble woman cutting off her hair symbolises also cutting her relationship with her parents. Our Korean Soompier can help me verify with this please. So far, this is my understanding. After the telegram intel, I believe the most plausible reason for DM's action could be this. He knows WI is trying to solve the puzzle of AS and the identity of her parents. His action was shocking, yes. He also knows she might kill him for it. He did say he doesn't even care if she becomes his enemy. This is the second time he asks for her to basically kill him if she doesn't agree with whatever he did. He doesn't need her understanding. He will just protect her as he sees fit. That is just his personality. EC and HS are more finesse in their behaviour towards AS. But not DM. Ok I will continue later. I would like to watch ep 19 first before I can deliberate more on DM's action as I feel there is more to it than meets the eye, based on my understanding of the cutting hair thingy. Of course DM is not a bad guy here, he is one of the good guys, ruthlessness notwithstanding. He is just a little brute, a grumpy member of the team who would disagree at everything but eventually follow through with the plan. Just like those grumpy brute but softie dwarf of the LOTR:tounge_xd:. Don't be too serious ladies. Everything is done for a reason. Give him the benefit of a doubt. Wait for next week for more explanation. 

 

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@KDramaLogic Thanks for the good words and great posts, especially. MR.SUNSHINE is already causing the blood and stress level to rise dangerously, we don't need to rub more salt to (any) wound.

 

Anyway, @Ahpheng is around (you've got the name slightly misspelled) .. thanks to her for a good message today. I hope the forum situation (with IG posting) have been rectified.. it seemed to be quite a problem before.

 

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15 minutes ago, andy78 said:

waiting to watch ep 18...let's hope we will have more otp moments next week....

 

We're getting closer to the ultimate conflict aka impending Japanese colonization of Joseon Korea; so let's savor whatever OTP moments (and other light-hearted moments) KES will graciously grant us.

 

On to the Ep. 19 preview: Yay!  AS' donning her trademark uniform and a rifle in her hand!  Hopefully she (along with EC and maybe other RA members) will start taking out the Japanese and any Korean-Japanese traitors, starting with that ever-smirking Wan Ik.  Speaking of which, can we have more scenes of Wan Ik being on the receiving end of the sword/gun/weapon like the one in the next episode preview?  Seriously, someone (preferably AS on behalf of her parents and her grandfather) needs to cut off Wan Ik's source of power (and his head, for good measure)!

 

20 minutes ago, andy78 said:

i so like Arya...I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IF OUR GIRL WILL TAKE THE REVENGE PATH TOO...

 

I know, right!?  Well, Arya did off the Frey family for the dreaded Red Wedding (it would have been more satisfying if Arya first let Lord Frey be present with the rest of the family so he'd first witness the poetic justice a la Red Wedding before she killed him, but I'm fine with canon story as well).  Arya may have put off her revenge path to reunite with the remaining Stark family members sans Jon Snow (still expecting that long-awaited reunion/hug; it's 6-7 seasons overdue!:dissapointed_relieved:), but she'll go off with a bang in the next- and final- season.  Btw, I was bummed out that Season 8 was scheduled for 2019 with only six episodes instead of 10 (seasons 1-6) or 7 (season 7); talk about a dry spell for Game of Thrones (GoT) fans this year...<_<.  Still, I'll trust that the GoT creators (and George R.R. Martin) would not put off the series finale by a year to leave us with nothing less than a suspenseful, epic showdown amidst the "Winter"; don't let us down!

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Almost did not recognize Mr.Haengrang .. so different. :D Ms. Haman was there too, I thought she wasn't.. just not in the news clip. Sumi, Domi and little Eugene are all so charming to see. ^_^


Published on September 2, 2018 by YTN NEWS

 

 

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Dong mae dong mae ... That is not right.

I disappointed by dong mae, somebody should teach him communication and respect.

Everybody can have a goodwill, but one should not overstep the line. Everybody got to choose what they want for their self, their self.

As hot as dong mae is, i disappointed.

 

Btw, that japanese mori is downright evil and precisely smart (Read: dangerous).

He smiled at the thought of signing paper with blood, he knows where to slash on the vital(killed ... and kill joseon spirit).

Not even lee wan ik who had years of experiences can compare to him, he actually makes LWI look like a baby compare to him and foolish too.

 

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Honor and Integrity are shown through how you treat another in private. A little kindness goes a long way.  I'm happy for Dong Mae at this moment, not because he gets to see a glimpse of her, but more for all the years and hope he placed on her character were not in vain.

 

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At this moment, Dong Mae is one of a few men who viewed Ae Shin differently for her broken engagement.  Reaching out to him not only from her sincere and grateful heart for helping her grandfather.  It comes from a woman who understands how it feels to be shunted from society unfairly.  

 

I just love how KES writes Dong Mae's loyalty here as it is not only based on his tragic love. It's his high regard for her character as well.

 

Edit: what happened in E19? LOL why all the discussion about DM?  Gotta go and watch now :)

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1 hour ago, kansas424 said:


Cutting hair means alot more than that. 

ANyway, Wan Ik wont stop killing AS just because she cut her hair ROFL. 

Irregardless of what Dong Mae thinks, his action is not excusable. It really shows that he didn't understand AeShin at all. She wont stop being RA just because she lost her hair? Her pride, her faith, her cause, losing those are no different than being dead despite being physically alive.

It's a selfish act. He wants to be the guy to save her, and he did it his way, and the least effective way lmao. This is not saving, you ruined her freaking life for god sake. Your love is just possessive, with no sense of respect at all. 

I feel like the writer is trying to change the perception of those delusioned girls harping on guys with the same possessive mindset which they classify as hot bla bla bla. In reality, it really isn't.  

 

I think it is too early to say that. From what we see in episode 19, DM just wants to protect AS and we do not know his motivation yet.

there are two things that were made clear in the last episodes:

 

1) AS can be quite impulsive. The gunner told her not to visit the hut, but she went there. and now LWI caught on something about her birth. Eugene also kept her at the legation although she wanted to go to her grandfather. and he advised her that sometimes not to do anything is better.

She uses her noble status, but now this is not of very much help.

But there is an even bigger problem: compared with most of the other characters in the drama, AS does not have access to information. Her agency is crippled by her diminished knowledge of the situation. Recall that even in the RA, she is meant to be kept in the dark about the actual things, for her protection. 

 

2) DM is on her side. Because of his connections, he has some insight into what's happening that is even better than that of EC. We do not know yet whether DM's motivation was his desire to have her for himself and deny her agency. Maybe it was a way to protect her, but because he did not have time to ask her, he did what's the best thing. 

Moreover, asking her what is best for her rationally speaking might not be the best thing to do: as I said, she does not have much knowledge about what's happening.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, miracle23 said:

A noble woman cutting off her hair symbolises also cutting her relationship with her parents. Our Korean Soompier can help me verify with this please. So far, this is my understanding. After the telegram intel, I believe the most plausible reason for DM's action could be this. He knows WI is trying to solve the puzzle of AS and the identity of her parents. His action was shocking, yes. He also knows she might kill him for it. He did say he doesn't even care if she becomes his enemy. This is the second time he asks for her to basically kill him if she doesn't agree with whatever he did. He doesn't need her understanding.

Thank you for this interesting information, it really makes sense! And well said about his actions.

 

Anyway going back to the last scene of ep 18, i'm starting to even surely believe that DM's motives are greater than we think. Like i said he is cleverer than to think that a haircut will stop AS from exiting her house. More than that, why did DM cut her hair so ceremoniously in front of the whole street while he could have easily visited her anytime he wanted privately. This fact proves that his motives weren't simply about saving AS from public's eye and ensuring she stays hidden from society. Moreover, DM's face says it all - he looks utterly devasted by his actions, he has tears in his eyes knowing perfectly well, that what he's doing is unacceptable but he has no choice, he is ready to accept AS' hatred if it means she will be safe and somewhat protected.

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