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1 hour ago, matrim said:

I'm sure the adversary could only deepen their mutual understanding and love. What I'm curious about most is the nature and timing of GTY's "crime". Because as a newly crowned emperor, he must secure his rule by eliminating internal and external enemies. In this case, he couldn't have disposed of GTY, one of his most trusted and ablest general so lightly. It had to be something really serious, or GTY wouldn't ask ML for a amicable divorce, obviously he thought this would bring harm to ML and her family.

True. I guess it happened after few years, so the Emperor was established. I imagine he feared for her life and maybe he was doubting her love so he wanted to make her free. The noble idiocy plot. 

but I am curious if it was his family’s revenge or a mistake he made.  However even a minor thing in those time could threaten his life. 

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1 hour ago, dito said:

 

Sheng Hong will get the shock of his life when ML goes militant on this issue. ML manipulated in getting Kang Aunt to come to the sheng house. Then she confronted her with the truth and had her tied and tortured for confession. She asked her father to wait for Kang Aunts family to come for her. She told him step by step what was going to happen next. What Kang Aunt's family would say and do to get Kang Aunt out of trouble. That they will try to put the entire blame on Da niang.....and that they will try to pressure him with his and Changbai's official reputation and dishonor for Sheng family. He must have got scared to see how smart ML was... as each and every thing happened exactly as ML told him. 

 

I wonder how Sheng Hong will treat or view ML afterwards. For him, seeing one too smart is not good, too dumb is also not good. Once seeing her true colours, I don't know if he will feel a sense of betrayal, or respect her on a whole new level. No matter what you say to him, it never goes through his ears like when Old Madam Sheng has given him countless clues, truths, and teachings. i also wonder, after MingLan deals with the poison incident and punish Da Niang will it affect her relationship with her siblings like RuLan?

 

Just because a man is good with his career it does not mean that he knows how to handle his family.

 

I think you can also apply this to QiHeng. You guys mentioned that in the future he named his kids after MingLan's name, doesn't that just show that he has no respect for either his kids or wife? I don't know who his wife is or what kind of person she is but wouldn't that make everyone laugh at her and her kids? This guy recklessly likes to wreck everybody's reputation. 

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26 minutes ago, Renaro Kopique said:

 

I wonder how Sheng Hong will treat or view ML afterwards. For him, seeing one too smart is not good, too dumb is also not good. Once seeing her true colours, I don't know if he will feel a sense of betrayal, or respect her on a whole new level. No matter what you say to him, it never goes through his ears like when Old Madam Sheng has given him countless clues, truths, and teachings. i also wonder, after MingLan deals with the poison incident and punish Da Niang will it affect her relationship with her siblings like RuLan?

 

Just because a man is good with his career it does not mean that he knows how to handle his family.

 

I think you can also apply this to QiHeng. You guys mentioned that in the future he named his kids after MingLan's name, doesn't that just show that he has no respect for either his kids or wife? I don't know who his wife is or what kind of person she is but wouldn't that make everyone laugh at her and her kids? This guy recklessly likes to wreck everybody's reputation. 

Actually after ML got married she rarely goes back to her maiden home (it's a normal thing cuz back then women were not supposed  to return home often after marriage) so her family doesn't appear much in the story anymore, except for the poison case. She sometimes visits Grandma and her sisters sometimes go visit her but that's it. Sheng Hong plays a very minor part afterwards.

 

Qi Heng doesn't name his kids after Ming Lan. It's a coincidence and misunderstanding from ML.

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30 minutes ago, fra8 said:

but I am curious if it was his family’s revenge or a mistake he made.  However even a minor thing in those time could threaten his life. 

In the preview, ML said "My husband has been framed." From this I guess it's a scheme involving his family (mostly his stepmother) and his political enemies or those seeking the throne. I doubt his family alone would have enough resources to bring him down. In the novel there was a second rebellion. Perhaps the throne seeking party reasoned by removing GTY, a right-hand man of the emperor, they could undermine the emperor's position, thus increasing their chance of success. And their desire coincided with that of Gu family.   

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6 hours ago, mooose said:

 

I also get confused when the terms get mixed up. The only illegitimate child child is GTY's son who was born to an outside mistress (MN). Manniang has got to be one of the worst real mothers in dramaland.  She denies her son a good father, home and status. Forget about being a concubine or getting anymore money from GTY, I don't get why she would hold the son hostage when the game is lost.

@mooose  Manniang wasn't stupid she took the son as a means to get back into the house after her and so called brother goes broke.. I sometimes wonder is he her real brother.. After hearing that he has married a Di daughter she'll weasel her way back using his son to enter the house.. Remember she still wants to be the main wife and want status for herself as the main wife which will give her son a chance at becoming legit..   

Just you wait and see.. I don't think she knows she married ML and she only got a small does of ML behind her friend.. ML can be just as cunning amd manipulative as she.. Here's another one ML will have to go wit for wit with.. Manninang will throw up in her face the past while ML will throw back in her face past presences and future..  She'll come back trying to hold GTY to his promise but he'll kindly let her know she was a fraud to begin with and of she really wanted a title she wouldn't have took his son and come back all these years later demanding a spot.. Eventually the poor kid will have to learn to choose between Dad and Mom.. Hopefully he'll see how much his own mother deprived him of.. 

6 hours ago, matrim said:

As a cunning and manipulative devil, Manniang Knew perfectly well that GTY's weakness was his devotion to loved ones, so she regarded their son as a kind weapon that could be used later against GTY or a bargain chip to earn her advantages. I think she must have nurtured hatred in her heart and was bidding her time to get revenge.

@matrim  The hatred that ML has in her heart comes from her own doing. She lied anout her brother being dead as a means to con GTY.. She went after him for the soul purpose to maje a better life for her and brother.. Yes the son was always meant to be used as a weapon.. I sometimes wonder is these kids really his considering how she's so attach to the brother.. But we must thank her in one sense she's the reason we have the mannish devil GTY today..

 

6 hours ago, mooose said:

 

Its the years of brainwashing by stepmom and it will take years to undo. The sister in-law is too brainwashed to think straight but the eldest brother now sees the truth that GTY doesn't really need them or that title really. He has a house, imperial favour, career, money and can even get married well without them. 

GTY already ha a title behind his name given by the emperir when he was granted his own home next to his main home.. This is the reason why the other GU women sent maids and concubines..

 

5 hours ago, m0us3y said:

Also you misunderstood what I meant about ML's revenge. Not about whether or not Molan knows, but more of ML modus operandi. She's stealth, and she kills before the enemy even finds out that she's a threat. Hence Molan is still in the dark. She's a sniper. She walked the street like the sweetest cutest thing ever, and then she kills. :lol:

But it does seem like it's gonna be all out war with GTY's stepmom. 

@m0us3y  My bad yes she is a quite sniper.. (The killer beauty)

Yes there's foing to be and all out war between the women in the GU household.. Evil step mom and Manninang tag teaming every chance they could get.. It wouldn't suprise me if evil step mom offer her the position of Mdm if she could get rid of ML by now she should see that ML isn;t and easy prey as she looks..  

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@sava2sava If it goes according to the novel, The son was exiled along with MN cause he had been manipulated all those years by MN and stood on her side no matter what. Rong'er saw through MN manipulation and sided with ML if i remember the spoilers correctly. The son might die in this drama also.

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3 hours ago, leeza77 said:
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Last night games of households:

Ml v Auntie 1= Ml won

Ml v Kang Auntie=Ml won

Ml v Auntie 2=Ml won

Our general was excellent 

And tonight looking forward for another round of battle of spies and stepmom. Ha ha

 

 

@leeza77  The problem that these GU women have is knowing ML was born into a not so wealthy homs.. Coming from a house of scholars and she's concubine born.. They wants to try to use her status of her childhood home to overpower her as they think they have the rights to look down on her and treat her as such.. Little that they know She or GTY isn't having it.. She will be address as Big Mdm rather they like it or not..   GTY will make sure they treat his wife with the respect she deserves..  We all know thst bioth he and she don;t care for such title but when it's called for they will stand to correct whomever..

 

3 hours ago, paras said:

Watched till Ep 40 with subs. I understand that Rulan has gotten married as well. I wished they had shown a few scenes of her wedding as well. If Molan could dress up, we really should have seen Rulan as well.

@paras  I don't think ML wedding was a dress up aty all more like leading the pig to the slaughter house..  It would have been nice to see her wedding also..  But I do think this was a reason Big Mdm was so upset being that her step daughters wedding was better then her own daughters who decided to marry a scholar..

 

3 hours ago, leeza77 said:

Yes, and he is happy if his wife is named a tigress bcoz of that...and ml doesn't mind to be called such....Aummmm:lol: ml is no longer a pig that eating a tiger but she has transformed to a tigress. Go go girl.. ML VERSION 2.0 WITH SOFTWARE UPGRADED BY GU & CO. 

Thanks tou gave ,me my laugh for the day..

 

2 hours ago, UnniSarah said:

@dito ..... THanks for that chingu.... Lol LOL I just love being spoiled..... WOW WOW,  I actually want this to happen in the drama..... lol lol  evil-smile-onion-head-emoticon.gifevil-smile-onion-head-emoticon.gif The only reason why I want this to happen is because I want Sheng Hong to finally realize what a true GEM Ming Lan is. TBH I don't think he has realized HOW SMART AND CALCULATING Ming Lan can be or that he is a TERRIBLE FATHER . He hasn't realized  Ming Lan doesn't respect him at all  but will be fillial to Sheng Clan.  

@UnniSarah  ML hates her father, She only tolerates him.. Every since SH didn;t give justice to her mom that she deserved and allowed Molan to get away with scratching her in the face.. ML revenge against Molan and mom was really revenge towards her dad.. SH always knew that Lingnaning was the one that had reason to kill ML mother and unborn chilkd he knew how selfish she was.. All ML did was took what matterd to him the most..    

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38 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

@sava2sava If it goes according to the novel, The son was exiled along with MN cause he had been manipulated all those years by MN and stood on her side no matter what. Rong'er saw through MN manipulation and sided with ML if i remember the spoilers correctly. The son might die in this drama also.

Even I think the son might die. There is a scene where we see GTY break down and ML trying to console him. It might be when he finds about his son's death or something on those lines?

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48 minutes ago, sava2sava said:

 

@UnniSarah  ML hates her father, She only tolerates him.. Every since SH didn;t give justice to her mom that she deserved and allowed Molan to get away with scratching her in the face.. ML revenge against Molan and mom was really revenge towards her dad.. SH always knew that Lingnaning was the one that had reason to kill ML mother and unborn chilkd he knew how selfish she was.. All ML did was took what matterd to him the most..    

I think ML doesn't hate her father, bc he, after all, is her father who provided for her and raised her. He was biased but he fulfilled his responsibility as a father and he never tried to harm nor use her. She just doesn't like him nor care about him. She enacted a revenge plan with 2 main targets: 1. Linniang's downfall for murdering her mother. 2. Molan cuz she hit her and ML didn't want to marry Liang's son. For achieving this goal she risked the whole Sheng family's reputation and her own future. Sheng Hong was just a collateral damage, she didn't intentionally aim at him as a target, but she didn't try to protect him either cuz she didn't care.

 

SH is a selfish man, all he cares about is himself. He favoured Linniang wasn't all bc he loved her, but bc he was a shu son himself and was treated badly when he was a child. Besides, Linniang knew how to please a man while Daniang was proud and stubborn. SH doesn't truly love anyone, he only did what's best for his own interest (including the matter with ML's mother), so when Linniang started touching his benefit he let her go. He was enraged cuz all this time he thought Linniang loved him while in fact she was after his money and status, thus making him feel like a fool, hurting his man ego. Linniang was definitely not what mattered to him most (actually she didn't even matter that much) and if ML had accused him of her mother's death then his punishment wouldn't be that light. She just used SH to achieve her goal while teaching him a small lesson, that's all. 

 

I think the best word to describe ML's feeling towards her father is apathetic.

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35 minutes ago, sava2sava said:

@leeza77  The problem that these GU women have is knowing ML was born into a not so wealthy homs.. Coming from a house of scholars and she's concubine born.. They wants to try to use her status of her childhood home to overpower her as they think they have the rights to look down on her and treat her as such.. Little that they know She or GTY isn't having it.. She will be address as Big Mdm rather they like it or not..   GTY will make sure they treat his wife with the respect she deserves..  We all know thst bioth he and she don;t care for such title but when it's called for they will stand to correct whomever..

 

@paras  I don't think ML wedding was a dress up aty all more like leading the pig to the slaughter house..  It would have been nice to see her wedding also..  But I do think this was a reason Big Mdm was so upset being that her step daughters wedding was better then her own daughters who decided to marry a scholar..

 

Thanks tou gave ,me my laugh for the day..

 

@UnniSarah  ML hates her father, She only tolerates him.. Every since SH didn;t give justice to her mom that she deserved and allowed Molan to get away with scratching her in the face.. ML revenge against Molan and mom was really revenge towards her dad.. SH always knew that Lingnaning was the one that had reason to kill ML mother and unborn chilkd he knew how selfish she was.. All ML did was took what matterd to him the most..    

Well they make a huge mistake. The advantage of ml is that she is an expert in observing and understanding others characters and used their weaknesses to her advantage. That's her secret weapon when dealing with enemies. That's what happened to molan. She knew molan's n linniang aspirations to be the wife of liang family, thus she spurred their action, give nudges here and there and wait for their downfall. Understanding your enemies characters are a powerful trait and she can maneuvered them like a puppet on strings. 

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That's what's going to happen to all the vipers nesting in her household. She identified them as 2 fractions. Appear meek and stupid in front of them. Caused the leaders (the two mamas) to have power struggle with each other and flame the enmity with the help from nanny. Then, she and gty invited a special guest to their houfu, expecting the fight will break between these 2 fractions of servants, caused humiliation to her and gty that the servants' action are not pardonable and thus, eliminating those servants cum spies from their houfu in one big swoop. 

 

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In ep 42.. SH out of all people should know that ML is the generals wife and some form of security needs to be in place when she goes traveling outside the home even if it's to her parents house.. I think he could also be envious with green because he don;t have this kind of security even as a court official. 

I noticed the cariages of the three girls.. ML was way on a much grander scale then Molan.. This is what she's envious about.. She married a count and don't have a private army escorting her and the Count.. But the lowly bisd does.. Yes she's very jello of ML and may now wish that ML had married into that family as planned.. She sees how GTY pampers his wife something she don't get at home because she fighting to hold her spot against all those concubines..  Ahe wanted the Big Mdm titke she got it. ML also has a Big Mdm title in her home so do RL.. RL and ML looks much more happier in there marriages then Molan    

 

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9 hours ago, matrim said:

Well, CB in the novel and CB in the drama are completely different characters. Novel CB didn't know GTY when they were young and thus did not become best friends afterwards. He spoke little and usually didn't involve in family matters, but when he did, his words carried weight because he's intelligent and sensible, respected by all family members. This characteristic foreshadowed his important role in the future incident of Grandma being poisoned. Drama CB was good natured, easy going and GTY's best friend, a kind of bridge between GTY and ML. This adaptation also influences GTY's personality, as in the novel he's basically a lone man when he's been cast out of Gu household, without a true friend to talk to. I'm not sure I like drama CB very much. I think there are too many comedic characters in Sheng family, with the only exception of ML and Grandma. 

 

I mean CB is good natured, easy going but hes still intelligent and respected and he still will play a important role during poisoning where im pretty sure he agree's with ML. Im glad we get more CB scene's and i love his friendship with GTY this is the best change the made from the book.

 

2 hours ago, Renaro Kopique said:

 

I wonder how Sheng Hong will treat or view ML afterwards. For him, seeing one too smart is not good, too dumb is also not good. Once seeing her true colours, I don't know if he will feel a sense of betrayal, or respect her on a whole new level. No matter what you say to him, it never goes through his ears like when Old Madam Sheng has given him countless clues, truths, and teachings. i also wonder, after MingLan deals with the poison incident and punish Da Niang will it affect her relationship with her siblings like RuLan?

 

 

 

I think CB agree's and im sure HL would agree as well with the punishment towards Da Niang. I doubt she cares what SH thinks afterwards she already regards him so low but i doubt he would be happy with basically being conned since she was young.

 

27 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

I think ML doesn't hate her father, bc he, after all, is her father who provided for her and raised her. He was biased but he fulfilled his responsibility as a father and he never tried to harm nor use her. She just doesn't like him nor care about him. She enacted a revenge plan with 2 main targets: 1. Linniang's downfall for murdering her mother. 2. Molan cuz she hit her and ML didn't want to marry Liang's son. For achieving this goal she risked the whole Sheng family's reputation and her own future. Sheng Hong was just a collateral damage, she didn't intentionally aim at him as a target, but she didn't try to protect him either cuz she didn't care.

 

 

 

I actually disagree i think ML hate's her father and does not care about him one bit , he never raised or provided for her either that was Grandma.

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35 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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That's what's going to happen to all the vipers nesting in her household. She identified them as 2 fractions. Appear meek and stupid in front of them. Caused the leaders (the two mamas) to have power struggle with each other and flame the enmity with the help from nanny. Then, she and gty invited a special guest to their houfu, expecting the fight will break between these 2 fractions of servants, caused humiliation to her and gty that the servants' action are not pardonable and thus, eliminating those servants cum spies from their houfu in one big swoop. 

 

 

@leeza77  Upon reading this it's seems like a brilliant and funny plan.. I can ony imagine how hard GTY and ML must have laughed afterwards..

 

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44 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

I think ML doesn't hate her father, bc he, after all, is her father who provided for her and raised her. He was biased but he fulfilled his responsibility as a father and he never tried to harm nor use her. She just doesn't like him nor care about him. She enacted a revenge plan with 2 main targets: 1. Linniang's downfall for murdering her mother. 2. Molan cuz she hit her and ML didn't want to marry Liang's son. For achieving this goal she risked the whole Sheng family's reputation and her own future. Sheng Hong was just a collateral damage, she didn't intentionally aim at him as a target, but she didn't try to protect him either cuz she didn't care.

 

 

 

I actually disagree i think ML hate's her father and does not care about him one bit , he never raised or provided for her either that was Grandma.

Thank you @ForgottenSoulx  And probably hated him even more after what happen to her Granny.. Also right pn point Granny did everything for ML she was like her child and shieled ML from him and Lingnnaing. All Molan mom had to do was tell SH to sell her as a slave and he would have done it.. Anything to make Molan life better then all others he would have ML as Molan servant if she told him to..  SH agreed to selling ML out to save his face every time chance came up.. It was Granny always being the one to put her foot down against them when it came to ML.. All SH did was sat on the fence swaying in the wind he didn't really care what happened to her if she marries or not.. If she never married she would have ended up serving him and Big Mdm.. You see he never offered her anything such as a dowry for marrige nor did he add to her dowry.. But he took from Big Mdm for Molan..     

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You see he never offered her anything such as a dowry for marrige nor did he add to her dowry.. But he took from Big Mdm for Molan..     

 

Just want to clarify this bit im pretty sure he never took anything from Big MDN or grandma for Molans dowry i could be wrong though i think she just went with what her mother gave her.

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From the trailer, qh has actually changed. He became vengeful and secretly take a shot to gty's family member, disguising as doing his duty as an officer. Gty didn't believe it, but ml suspects it. 

 

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From the trailer, qh has actually changed. He became vengeful and secretly take a shot to gty's family member, disguising as doing his duty as an officer. Gty didn't believe it, but ml suspects it. 

 

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This makes me worried he might be part of the plot to take down GTY. I would be sad because even if I never liked him for ML, I didnt dislike his character.

 

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Watched the director's cut episode 43 and 44. It was pretty good although i don't understand. Rong'er was in two scenes i think. ML and Rong'er is getting along really well. One of the scene are the one when GTY,ML, Rong'er being playful together. I hope Rong'er will be in alot of episodes cause i really like seeing them together. Will be painful when MN returns though. I guess around that time there will be some strain on their relationship since MN will try to turn her against ML

 

@leeza77 Disgusting and he even dared to approach ML later according to the trailer

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