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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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5 hours ago, leeza77 said:

She was a spoiled brat and thinking highly of herself. Lazy. But she's not malicious. I laughed when rulan told her mother that ml was stupid.. Whilst the stupid one was her.. Ha ha. Hualan was excellent, good manner. She and cb has not follow the trait of their parents (maybe both of them were adopted.. Joking} :joy:

 

Sometimes I can see the endearing part of RL, but when she turn her entitled mode on, I just go <_< hopefully after her marriage she will wisen up and see what sisterly bond is. Cb and HL seems more like grandma’s family rather then their parents. Sheng family saving grace.

 

4 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

 

You do make me think about RL she is so entitled and never really shows ML any sincerity it does seem like she see's her as a servant.  

 

 

 

Exactly, Hualan see her as her sister, but Rualan see her as a shu-sister

 

4 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

Hulan was raised by grandma and of course, her morality is better than Rulan. Personalities of both Rulan and Molan are reflective of their mothers.

@nichiwooheeSince Wang Shi despised Ling Yiniang, she disliked Molan (who herself is also whiny, competitive and acts sorrowful like her mother), she always mention regards to di and shu born in front of Rulan which shaped her thinking. 

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there is also reason why Rulan always want to make Molan angry and get happy whenever Molan is miserable. Molan has this entitlement for everything since she was  a child. She will try to get whatever she wants from her sister by manipulating her father's feelings by resorting to various methods like her mother. Molan's crying and whining also gives Wang Shi headaches that she also had to give in to her reluctantly.  In the book, when they were young, Rulan received a jade locket from her maternal uncle (Wang Shi's brother). Molan made their father gave Rulan's jade to her by crying, and looking pitiful, and saying that jade matches her name. Molan also told Rulan that she is also entitled to the jade as that is also her uncle (since all children are considered those of main wife, Wang shi brother is also her uncle). 

I'm just pointing out people thoughts and actions are products of environments they grew up in. That's why people also have generation gap as political, economy and cultural experiences of people in one decade are different from another decade even if they are in same country and culture. Of course, people maturity and their age also factors into their thoughts and actions.

 

Yes.. I remember grandma asking hualan to find a solution in the 1st episode, I can see she had a hand in bringing her up. Watching RL and Molan is like watching mini big madam and concubine lin. I would understand when she does it to molan, but damn.. why keep bringing it up with minglan too? Even when talking to her mother her true mindset still the same, ml should have just ignore her like she did molan, both are annoying sisters who dont see her as their sister anyway

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24 minutes ago, nichiwoohee said:

 

Sometimes I can see the endearing part of RL, but when she turn her entitled mode on, I just go <_< hopefully after her marriage she will wisen up and see what sisterly bond is. Cb and HL seems more like grandma’s family rather then their parents. Sheng family saving grace.

 

 

Exactly, Hualan see her as her sister, but Rualan see her as a shu-sister

 

 

Yes.. I remember grandma asking hualan to find a solution in the 1st episode, I can see she had a hand in bringing her up. Watching RL and Molan is like watching mini big madam and concubine lin. I would understand when she does it to molan, but damn.. why keep bringing it up with minglan too? Even when talking to her mother her true mindset still the same, ml should have just ignore her like she did molan, both are annoying sisters who dont see her as their sister anyway

Remember a conversation between ml and xiatao, when ml said to xiatao that she has to finish embroidery for rualan. Xiatao replied so miss 5 asked you to embroider for her again!? And ml said "when did she ever ask"? Show bullying attitude of rualan. Treat her like a servant. 

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47 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

Remember a conversation between ml and xiatao, when ml said to xiatao that she has to finish embroidery for rualan. Xiatao replied so miss 5 asked you to embroider for her again!? And ml said "when did she ever ask"? Show bullying attitude of rualan. Treat her like a servant. 

 

Wait for everyone to have to bow down to minglan in the future! Wife of Gu Ting Ye- the next Marquis Gu, darling general of the new Emperor

di sister who? Wife of the 6th son of a count who?  

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6 hours ago, m0us3y said:

I just wondered how the GTY-RL/ML will play out. 

Because as we can see when Molan made a mess and then the mom and dad wanted to "sacrifice" ML to pacify Liang Family and conclude the matter, grandma pretty much threw in the towel and said ML is no sacrificial lamb! 

 

So when the RL case unfolds, and they want to swap the bride, isnt that a similar issue? 

Throw ML to the firepit (although we know it's not really a firepit) to pacify Gu Family? 

 

6 hours ago, hello210 said:

I think that’ll come out differently though. ML was adamant that grandma not give in and said she’d rather live her life single, serving grandma, and then become a nun, etc. than have grandma give in to the Liangs. I think ML will agree to the switch. But grandma is also smart, she might see through it all too. :lol: However they do it, it’s going to be funny to watch the Shengs. 

 

 Granny and ML both did not agree to the swap at first. Then GTY arranged to speak with ML alone and told her everything...all about his plan....and why he chose this way to marry her. That granny would never agree if he came directly for her hand....even though he was sincere, with his past Granny would never accept him....no matter the height he reaches. 

After that ML told granny about GTY saving her from the bandits. ML had never told anyone about that before. In the book he only saved her once but the drama has shown him saving her 3-4 times. Then ML told granny how GTY planned everything from doc. cousin to Rulan getting caught with her lover.

Granny realized how smart GTY was to leave the Sheng family no way to back out. But since it was his scheme that put them in this position he also left them a way to save face in the society when they change the bride from RL to ML. And thats the reason GTY never said which sister he wanted to marry. The sheng family also never specifically said GTY was getting married to RL. To the world outside it was said GTY was marrying one of the sheng daughters. Even Hualan only told her inlaws that GTY was marrying her sister.....didn't specify which sister.

Granny gave in since ML didn't oppose after that.

I don't think the drama is going to change much of it. 

 

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In the book it was actually Hualan who brought GTY's proposal to her family. GTY was a good friend of her husband. When RL's mess came out and GTY suggested ML, Hualan was a bit sad for her sister but then realized that actually ML was a better match for GTY. So she totally approved and even convinced her mother. It was also Hualan who invited ML to her house so that GTY can speak with ML alone.

I think thats why ML and Hualan became more close after ML's marriage to GTY.

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I'm going to mention about script inconsistencies between scenes for those asked me and please skip if you aren't interested or if you haven't watched epi 32 forward....

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Although these are minor details, I just couldn't help but noticed and rolled my eyes.  Without even comparing to NIF 1/2, I do not remember feeling this way about script in Battle of Changsha or Imperial Doctress which are less well-known. I think this drama lost track of time (years) and events by changing the order of events from the book as well as adding many unnecessary events/ scenes.  

(1) In TV epi 36, after rebellion, GTY helped CB and SH got into the carriage to leave palace and he apologized CB for not mentioning ML's effort in saving the old emperor as he was worried about her reputation and thus his action prevented Sheng family from getting huge merit. CB said he understood as it was just an accidental meeting with the original palace maid that ML was involved. GTY then told CB to remind ML not to tell anyone including the grandma that she came inside the palace. I was like huh? Her grandma and family knew she came to palace to deliver fish soup and probably thought she got stuck there and her dad knows she escaped from dog hole. The lines should have been not to tell anyone about her involvement in pacifying rebellion including grandma or just exclude grandma. Also, the whole setup about ML being able to get into the palace building where they're working is a bit forced. It is possible to send food and drink by family for officials who have been staying inside the palace but her being able to get inside their workplace is unheard of. Nobody can come inside the front or back palace unless summoned or front palace unless you are an official. There is a building by the gate where family member of officials or palace maids and eunuchs can meet them while they're working inside. Also, ML waiting until late night outside citygate and going home by herself in eunuch clothes won't create any problem? Grandma and her sister-in-law won't be worried when she doesn't come home and her dad won't wonder when he finds out ML came home very late?  The writers are making these scenes to make another OTP moment and trying to involve ML in everything but I felt that it is a bit cliche especially since her effort was not mentioned to old emperor. (Not sure new emperor will give her noble woman title for this effort later). Instead of making drama too long, I rather they do not include these scenes that aren't too logical. 

(2) Lin Yiniang begged SH to forgive Molan as CF has been studying for half a year and his imperial palace exam retake is going to be soon (it has been at least a year and a half since they took the exam. HL who wasn't pregnant during their first exam has a half a year old son during Molan's scandal) and it won't be appropriate for him if his sister is beaten to death. SH also said that he only punished Molan to kneel due to CF taking exam soon basically in half a year. Then, in today's preview, QH mentioned that he can take imperial palace exam again in Spring (very soon) and no longer needs to wait another year because new emperor decided to hold additional exam (A few emperors in Song Dynasty do this looking for new talents). LYN and SH did not know there will be exam in half a year when Molan's scandal broke out. The imperial exam including provincial ones are held once every 3 years and there are three levels (provincial, national and palace). I let it go when LYN and SH mentioned about CF retaking exam in half a year thinking writers are making to have exam every year. Then, they went and have this scene of QH reading new emperor's announcement and telling his parents about this additional exam. It has been almost 2 years they took the exam last time. QH's scenes made sense but earlier scene doesn't. 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, leeza77 said:

You must remember ml was a master og disguise. Even grandma said that she was excellent in controlling her composure. Thus, she may just concealher real feeling knowing that there is nothing she can do. 

 

Imo, she doesn't have romantic feelings at the moment. She likes him, respects him and she feels safe with him. She also puts him in the list with her mother and granny. So there is a strong foundation for love. I guess they might keep her feelings under wraps before their fight.  We will just guess she loves him.

 Howere I can see her feeling a bit disappointed he wanted to marry rulan. Anyway she might have thought he wanted a di wife as he said. After the qh débâcle, I don't see her thinking about love or hoping for love, just trying to protect herself from disappointment.

But I am sure she is happy to marry him. It's a good wedding with a person she likes, even if she doesnt love or doesn't  realize she love. Since it's going to be a different kind of love from the one she felt for QH, she might be uncertain for a while.

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The story has been exciting so far though now I feel like they might really ruin QH’s character growth haha. I hoped it would end in a failed first love and everyone moves on

 

what I’m most excited for is Molan’s marriage life hahaha. I want to see her get her comeuppance.

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On to the rebellion, The Emperor concubine gatherd all those official wifes and held them hostage amd planned to use them to force the Emperor to abdicate his throne to her son..  She actually blamed her Lil sister death on QH mom.. I think the princess died in child birth..  Of course she'll never see it as fault of her own.. I tell you her and her father plotted to kidnap a princess had her probably gang raped in order for your sister to marry the man she wanted and yet they seem to think all will turn out well for them.. Killing all them off was the best thing that could have happen in that dynasty..  She's another I can;t wait to see the look on her face when the tables turn on her.. 

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2 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

I'm going to mention about script inconsistencies between scenes for those asked me and please skip if you aren't interested or if you haven't watched epi 32 forward....

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Although these are minor details, I just couldn't help but noticed and rolled my eyes.  Without even comparing to NIF 1/2, I do not remember feeling this way about script in Battle of Changsha or Imperial Doctress which are less well-known. I think this drama lost track of time (years) and events by changing the order of events from the book as well as adding many unnecessary events/ scenes.  

(1) In TV epi 36, after rebellion, GTY helped CB and SH got into the carriage to leave palace and he apologized CB for not mentioning ML's effort in saving the old emperor as he was worried about her reputation and thus his action prevented Sheng family from getting huge merit. CB said he understood as it was just an accidental meeting with the original palace maid that ML was involved. GTY then told CB to remind ML not to tell anyone including the grandma that she came inside the palace. I was like huh? Her grandma and family knew she came to palace to deliver fish soup and probably thought she got stuck there and her dad knows she escaped from dog hole. The lines should have been not to tell anyone about her involvement in pacifying rebellion including grandma or just exclude grandma. Also, the whole setup about ML being able to get into the palace building where they're working is a bit forced. It is possible to send food and drink by family for officials who have been staying inside the palace but her being able to get inside their workplace is unheard of. Nobody can come inside the front or back palace unless summoned or front palace unless you are an official. There is a building by the gate where family member of officials or palace maids and eunuchs can meet them while they're working inside. Also, ML waiting until late night outside citygate and going home by herself in eunuch clothes won't create any problem? Grandma and her sister-in-law won't be worried when she doesn't come home and her dad won't wonder when he finds out ML came home very late?  The writers are making these scenes to make another OTP moment and trying to involve ML in everything but I felt that it is a bit cliche especially since her effort was not mentioned. (Not sure new emperor will give her noble woman title for this effort later). Instead of making drama too long, I rather they do not include these scenes that aren't too logical. 

(2) Lin Yiniang begged SH to forgive Molan as CF has been studying for half a year and his imperial palace exam retake is going to be soon (it has been at least a year and a half since they took the exam. HL who wasn't pregnant during their first exam has a half a year old son during Molan's scandal) and it won't be appropriate for him if his sister is beaten to death. SH also said that he only punished Molan to kneel due to CF taking exam soon basically in half a year. Then, in today's preview, QH mentioned that he can take imperial palace exam again in Spring (very soon) and no longer needs to wait another year because new emperor decided to hold additional exam (A few emperors in Song Dynasty do this looking for new talents). LYN and SH did not know there will be exam in half a year when Molan's scandal broke out. The imperial exam including provincial ones are held once every 3 years and there are three levels (provincial, national and palace). I let it go when LYN and SH mentioned about CF retaking exam in half a year thinking writers are making to have exam every year. Then, they went and have this scene of QH reading new emperor's announcement and telling his parents about this additional exam. It has been almost 2 years they took the exam last time. QH's scenes made sense but earlier scene doesn't. 

 

 

 

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Thanks. I didn’t fully understand what GTY and CB were talking about but I knew it had something to do with ML and her reputation. As for Concubine Lin and Shen Hong’s exchange regarding CF being distracted from the exam, I just took that as her grasping at straws and just throwing out all the excuses hoping SH would bite one. Both were irrational and not thinking so for me, I wasn’t taking them literally. QH scene, yes, as you said matched but that was also back in the rational world and not the post-explosion zone of Molan’s bomb. :lol:

 

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12 hours ago, cherubstomato said:

I too don’t feel any sympathy for Molan and Concubine Lin. :lol: unlike how I felt pity for MN as of now. We’ll see later if she makes a comeback. 

 

For one, they reap what they sow. They are pitiful but I’m not sympathetic. First of all Concubine Lin had a chance to become a proper main wife but she didn’t want to be with a poor man thus she did a Manniang style to Sheng Hong, pretending to be pitiful. She never cared about him, she just cared about money. Sure it could be about life and death for some of these woman but it wasn’t as if she would starve to death had they both married the other man. They were just greedy for money and status like mother and daughter.

The father chose a suitable partner for Molan but all they cared about is how poor he was despite the father saying he has a promising career which will ultimately make them very fortunate in the future. But nope they want self gratification right now and they don’t want to bet on chances. Not even meeting the guy. 

Hualan thought Molan became who she was being raised by her mother but it was just the way she was. And it’s true. She was always trying hard to be the center of attention, she always wanted to outdo her sisters. She even with her real brother only cared about herself and her future... She always throws fits if she didn’t get what she wants. She is a very jealous person. Sheng Hong doting on them must be because of Concubine Lin acting pitiful that they are just concubines and don’t have great fortune as a main wife. This causing him to neglect Big Madam. But now he realizes all the love he gave to them was in vain.

All the evil deeds they did they must pay for.

Well said chingu @cherubstomato..... I can never pity Molan and Concubine Lin. I believe Concubine Lin and both her children are very much like her. It's in their DNA, they have no love for their father who doted on them.  You have two parents who dote on you, shouldn't you have respect for them. Shouldn't you be loyal to the one who cloth you and buys you anything you need. Ironically the one who controls the purse strings is the mother, now I need to strike that from my opinion. Shouldn't you be loyal to the one who's reputation that is important so that can keep you living in style??? Molan choosing to listen to her mother is beacause of 1. She has seen her mother control their father. 2. Her mother always get's her way 3. Mother owns store and farmland which came from Main Wife's dowry ( YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW SHOCKED I WAS TO HEAR HE HAD THE NERVE TO GIVE HIS CONCUBINE PROPERTY THAT CAME WITH THE MAIN WIFE AS A DOWRY. I WAS BEYOND SHOCKED AND THEN BECAME SO MAD). Do you know what i found climactic in episode 31-32 is when Concubine Lin played the victim. It was so funny, I could not stop laughing because she is the one who threw herself at him, she seduced him. I was so happy that he finally realized that CL " NEVER LOVE HIM" . lOL loL LOL happy-leaf-emoticon.gif    I especially loved it when she said "WHY DIDN'T HE THINK OF HER VIRTUE BACK THEN" happy-leaf-emoticon.gifIronically she is very much "RIGHT" But let's be honest, she is the one who seduced him first. Only a man with a strong mind can actually say no to richard simmons throwing themselves at him.  The look on Sheng Hongs face was classic. I loved it so much, I plan to GIF it later one. cheer3-onion-head-emoticon.gif Thas was one eye opener for him , the other one was when ZUMU reminded him , Concubine Lin was a terrible parent why is he so surprised that Mo'er would do such a thing when Cheng Feng got him locked up in the Imperial Study for three days. How he would always forget the things they have done because of Concubine Lin pitiful ways ( i call that manipulative ways)........ lol lol lol The way he ran out of the room once she reminded him of how he screwed up his household for that richard simmons. Another eye opener, was to find out she was the one who spread it arount town that Mo'er was spending time with the sixth Son of the Count Liang. LOL LOL HE was still shocked and yet he still couldn't beat her to death. lol lol 

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12 hours ago, sava2sava said:

Hello All. Can someone please translate these two previews. 37 & 38

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I had to crack up at dad and mom when the brother told them secong uncles like ML.. Dad almost choke mom just about fell off the bed:w00t:

Boy subs are copming like snails. I hate when I start a serious early on I get so interested in it makes me angry with myself for starting at the begaining.. 

I really curious to what GTY sickly brother and the two faced step mom conversation..

 

 

@sava2sava  I too hate when that happen for me too. I think maybe they don't have enough people doing the translation or translating it is very complicated.

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Not only did she die from sickness but also sickness in the heart seeing how better ML is in the game of calculation and manipulation that Molan was no match for her not even Lin herself could beat ML and she knew this before she died and it was nothing she could do about it or no one to help her or Molan..  When ML went to see her the last time just her action by not saying nothing told Lin what she knew and showed her the revenge best served cold.. You go girl..

Chingu you are correct revenge is best served cold. Ming Lan believed in an eye for an eye for example 1 corpse and 2 souls. Isn't that similar to Concubine Lin   ( 1 corpse and 2 souls)... Lol lol  at least she did not kill her sister too but in some way she did because she is now going to suffer and wish she was dead too. 

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