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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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11 minutes ago, havennoah30 said:

was the lady was related to the one committed suicide hang herself?

 

His wife and her family are the reason the lady committed suicide. They arranged for her to be abducted and raped because she was vying to be QH's wife

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In my opinion, GTY’s scheme to swap Rulan for ML  is no different than ML’s, planting a word here and there, using the right opportunity at the right times. Rulan was already interested in someone else and meeting that person. He just had to make sure it was witnessed similar to Molan getting caught but Rulan is more innocent, just holding hands. I can see why he would have to resort to it if CB misunderstood and gave his parents the wrong name. If he just went and said, no wrong person, it would have probably caused some issues with Daniang since at that point, GTY was a good catch.  

 

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16 minutes ago, havennoah30 said:

was the lady was related to the one committed suicide hang herself?

Yes, the one who committed suicide (after being abducted, beaten and raped then thrwon out of the horse carriage) was the royal concubine's sister. 

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@linhlinh111 @artbox

I agree that there's probably not much meaning to compare QH and GTY. Simply because they are 2 very different individuals with a different upbringing, background and belief. 

Their personalities are also very different, and they both have attributes which are admirable, and attributes which are less than admirable. 

 

The beauty about the show is we do not have a single person that's perfect in character (except CB maybe, but that's probably only because he hasn't got enough screentime to see his flaws).

They are all flawed in one way or another. 

 

There are attributes that QH has that GTY doesn't. And vice versa. 

The question here is then which attributes do we prefer to see as a person. There's also no right/wrong answers here. 

Some places priorities in filial piety, others in believing what their own principles are, even if they are questionable. 

 

I wouldn't necessarily say QH put ML in danger, but he surely did put her in a very awkward place- humiliating. Not by QH's choice if I may add, but that's the result. 

The capital were all saying things behind her back that she was after the Qi family, even if QH was the one doing the chasing and she didn't actually do anything wrong. 

 

As @gleek49 said, it comes down mainly to how we perceive them, based on our own bias, and who would be better suited for ML as her partner. 

 

In the end, it's the choices they made that define them. And each choice they make have risks and consequences. It just depends on how much they are willing to stake, how much they are willing to lose to trade for what they want to gain...

 

In recent episodes, we see the ML pretty much staked the family honor, her future, her siblings future, her loyalty to Sheng all in the name of avenging the mom. 

Right or wrong, it depends on which perspective we are looking from, but that's her choice. And she carried it out without hesitation. Even if it means there's a price to pay. 

QH can't have everything without giving something up....and that's something he needs to learn and understand. 

 

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 i wonder  if the father knew of the murder of minglans birth mother by his concubine thats why he flag her viciously and all the years she played him in her hand 

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1 minute ago, Maria Brimstone said:

He must've wanted to strangle CB so badly after he made a giant mistake lol

I know right.  GTY thought he was being obvious and CB was clueless.  He is one of my fav character.  Basically he is the only one who doesn't bully ML and he is so nice.  I must say that Sheng mama has born Sheng Hong two well brought up kids.  Her son passed exam and become an official and her daughters are pretty much well behaved.  Rulan is a little spoilt but she did not harm anyone.  She does bully ML into doing her chores though... :) 

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2 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

@linhlinh111 @artbox

I agree that there's probably not much meaning to compare QH and GTY. Simply because they are 2 very different individuals with a different upbringing, background and belief. 

Their personalities are also very different, and they both have attributes which are admirable, and attributes which are less than admirable. 

 

The beauty about the show is we do not have a single person that's perfect in character (except CB maybe, but that's probably only because he hasn't got enough screentime to see his flaws).

They are all flawed in one way or another. 

 

There are attributes that QH has that GTY doesn't. And vice versa. 

The question here is then which attributes do we prefer to see as a person. There's also no right/wrong answers here. 

Some places priorities in filial piety, others in believing what their own principles are, even if they are questionable. 

 

I wouldn't necessarily say QH put ML in danger, but he surely did put her in a very awkward place- humiliating. Not by QH's choice if I may add, but that's the result. 

The capital were all saying things behind her back that she was after the Qi family, even if QH was the one doing the chasing and she didn't actually do anything wrong. 

 

As @gleek49 said, it comes down mainly to how we perceive them, based on our own bias, and who would be better suited for ML as her partner. 

 

In the end, it's the choices they made that define them. And each choice they make have risks and consequences. It just depends on how much they are willing to stake, how much they are willing to lose to trade for what they want to gain...

 

In recent episodes, we see the ML pretty much staked the family honor, her future, her siblings future, her loyalty to Sheng all in the name of avenging the mom. 

Right or wrong, it depends on which perspective we are looking from, but that's her choice. And she carried it out without hesitation. Even if it means there's a price to pay. 

QH can't have everything without giving something up....and that's something he needs to learn and understand. 

 

If ml didn't do the scheme, the result would be the same. Linniang and molan were strived to trap the 6th son of liang. The would do everything for that. Beside, the one who told the public about molan's incident was linniang. 

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i haven't used my soompi account in so long but i've become re-obsessed with watching chinese dramas again and now am hooked on minglan so after lurking here for about 20 pages, have decided to come out of hiding!

 

just a quick summary of QH's conversation with his mother (not 100% translated):

QH passes the exam and his mother is overjoyed and says at least something good has happened. QH then says he has something he wants to beg of his mother. before QH can actually put into words what he wants to ask for, his mother says she understands what is it he wants and blames herself. she says forcing him to marry the princess was wrong and that now that QH has passed the exam/made a name for himself (basically now that he has actual status to his name, i guess), to propose marriage again would not seem like such an aggrievance for ML. then QH's mother says she'll go to the Sheng family and definitely get this marriage. 

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I just want to say I love Shitou (GTY’s servant/body guard) and Xiaotao’s characters. And for some reason, in the episode where GTY was confronting ML at the snack shop, and ML told the servants to go get some kind of seed, I thought the way Xiaotao looked at Shitou by the door seemed like they would be a hilarious couple if they were to get together.

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13 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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I think he purposely mislead cb knowing thst cb's was not that insightful fellow, he will directly presumed it was his sister rulan. He won't directly say ml's name as he knew grandma disapproved of him. So, when rulan was no longer a possibility, he magnanimously asked for ml's hand. 

 

I forgot about grandma being disapproving of him. Even when talking about 6th Liang son she said 'he is worse than second master Gu'...I can't wait for tomorrow 7 Thursday episodes. 

 

I think marriage will be on ep40 & 39 is when they will be betrothed

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7 minutes ago, darkphoenix123 said:

I forgot about grandma being disapproving of him. Even when talking about 6th Liang son she said 'he is worse than second master Gu'...I can't wait for tomorrow 7 Thursday episodes. 

 

I think marriage will be on ep40 & 39 is when they will be betrothed

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A very short one. So, possibly the marriage also on the 40th.

 

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1 minute ago, leeza77 said:
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A very short one. So, possibly the marriage also on the 40th.

 

There was a scene in one of the OSTs where ML & GTY were coming out of the palace with her maids & Shitou behind them and she was in her pre-marriage hairstyle. There was another scene with both of them in the same clothes in a field where he bowed to her & she laughed. That's why I thought there will be a betrothal

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36 minutes ago, hello210 said:

I think the mom said that she understood what QH wanted and would speak with Sheng family...meaning try and ask for ML.

 

I think if QH passed the exam's then begged his mother she would have gave in i think.

 

34 minutes ago, sava2sava said:

Hello All. Can someone please translate these two previews. 37 & 38

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I had to crack up at dad and mom when the brother told them secong uncles like ML.. Dad almost choke mom just about fell off the bed:w00t:

Boy subs are copming like snails. I hate when I start a serious early on I get so interested in it makes me angry with myself for starting at the begaining.. 

I really curious to what GTY sickly brother and the two faced step mom conversation..

 

 

 

Omg that reaction from them is hilarious. 

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35 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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I think he purposely mislead cb knowing thst cb's was not that insightful fellow, he will directly presumed it was his sister rulan. He won't directly say ml's name as he knew grandma disapproved of him. So, when rulan was no longer a possibility, he magnanimously asked for ml's hand. 

 

 

I dont think he would use CB like that but maybe thats just me. 

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4 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

I dont think he would use CB like that but maybe thats just me. 

 

Me too! Even the father thought that the description suited ML more than RL. So I think this means that CB's just a blockhead

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3 minutes ago, Maria Brimstone said:

 

Same, even the father thought that the description suited ML more than RL. So I think this means that CB's just a blockhead

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Gty was a direct person. He won't say something that lead to misunderstanding unless he want cb to perceive so. 

 

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1 hour ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

Also if Lin was smarter she would not have been caught like this, also there is a reason why no-one helped Molan when she was in trouble/will in trouble. She could have doomed the whole sheng family with her scheme's. 

@ForgottenSoulx  Lin had been so manipulative in that house always scheming to have all the attention mainly on her and her children.. What she failed to realizes keeping the very child oppressed by them would come back to bite her in the behind.. Molan called ML a Lowly Bich her or mom was never aware of the very viper they both degraded the black anger that she shielded in her heart.. I was all to happy when Lin figured out how calculating and manipulative ML can be.. Not only did she die from sickness but also sickness in the heart seeing how better ML is in the game of calculation and manipulation that Molan was no match for her not even Lin herself could beat ML and she knew this before she died and it was nothing she could do about it or no one to help her or Molan..  When ML went to see her the last time just her action by not saying nothing told Lin what she knew and showed her the revenge best served cold.. You go girl..

 

1 hour ago, cherubstomato said:

I’m not sure if Madam winter would deliberately make her life a hell or she would lower herself like hualan’s mother in law. But I think she just wouldn’t care nor help Molan in trying to control the harem. That’s why she was looking for someone like Minglan who can take that headache from her. Someone who can have control since she said to her son she doesn’t care who he has in his bed as long as he gets a proper wife. Knowing Molan, she won’t be able to handle the harem. And that’ll be her karma. 

@cherubstomato  Mdm Winter wanted ML because it would leave her to be in control at all times.. She knew a wife like Molan who is and attention seeker and wants to be center of attention at all times wanting her beauty to work for her but don't know how to use her brains will keep a lot of commotion going on in the home.. When ML will want everything calm a peaceful no outside gossip will be going on if she's the main wife Molan a whole different story when she has watch first hand all the wrong things her mom has done..  I truly think Mdm Winter wouldn't let her rest peacefully knowing that she has tainted her home with such a scandal and by now knows that it was her mom to spread the news.. Believe me it's being talk about how she entered that home by the other noble households and with her husband dirty business.. I'm sure she also has figured out ML trick her good, not only did she get what she wanted but she got him and some, A concubine and a kid on the way, Being who she is the concubine will have a title after her name.. I thought after the Kings death they house isn't as glorious even QH house should be the same.. 

 

41 minutes ago, darkphoenix123 said:

Is it petty of me to want QH's mom to ask for Minglan's hand after she becomes betrothed to GTY? It's a nice payback for the way she kinda low-key humiliated Minglan and her grandma with those pearls...

@darkphoenix123  The slap to her face is when she's bethroed to the second Gu, Not only did she help the new emperor but she also help the old one to he also stop the rebels..  As ML raise above it all she'll regret not letting her son have his way from the beginning..  

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41 minutes ago, Maria Brimstone said:

He must've wanted to strangle CB so badly after he made a giant mistake lol

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Man Strangling Other Man : Stock Illustration

 

I SAID ML NOT RL :w00t:

 

42 minutes ago, havennoah30 said:

 i wonder  if the father knew of the murder of minglans birth mother by his concubine thats why he flag her viciously and all the years she played him in her hand 

@havennoah30  I think he did know and if ML would have been older maybe 15 or 16 he would have had to take the matter at task.. He just brush it off as the dead can';t come back to life why bring the shame upom my household.. He hasd just moved to the capital such scandal going around sure would have made it to the King ears

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