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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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27 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

 

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I think they might be making ML imperial messenger even as by chance so that she obtains her title as 1st grade noble woman later by her own merit not because of being GTY’s wife like in the book. In the trailer, GTY found out about ML’s marriage aspect from CB and thus his scheming with Dr. He’s cousin and RL’s marriage about to begin. I wanna laugh how GTY’s stepmom 180 when he came back with achievements. It is very awkward scene and I’m not sure how they’re going to pull it through as GTY already found out about her two-timed face. Also, I'm guessing they're going to make that GTY's father left a will for GTY to inherit Marquis title after his older brother (from step-mom expression during her convo with her maid in epi 34).

 

:lol: For me it’s all pure entertainment. I’m just a sucker for spoilers so I look up novels of dramas I’m watching to see how the ending is or was supposed to be since the historical/fantasy dramas have a tendency to kill, freeze or make one of the leads disappear (guess so it’s open for another season). 

 

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I’m hoping they keep it to where the will only stipulates that GTY gets the dowry brought by his mother since that would pretty much make the rest of the family poor. And let his sickly brother redeem himself a little by making the decision himself to let GTY inherit, since his brother was really brainwashed by the stepmom since young. 

 

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3 hours ago, Maria Brimstone said:

 

I'm pretty sure she didn't die? I think she was just sent to a rural area to live. Stupid father couldn't even bear to have her beaten too much =.=

Lin Yiniang actually died. She was sent to farm house in TV epi 33 and was mentioned she died in epi 34.

 

For those asking about rebellion, the drama is trying along the line of the book

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three heirs involved, Yong Wang (QH's father-in-law), Yan Wang (Long Fei’s party) and Zhao Zhong Quan (GTY supporter). Yan Wang tried to close the city gate, palace gate and surrounded with army also sent assasins to kill ZZQ. I think Yong Wang family might have been arrested or killed as emperor and empress have been detained inside the palace. Long Fei was trying to punish QH’s mom as her Yan Wang’s party was in advantage currently controlling the city. I’m surprised the drama made a need to make QH’s mom punished by Long Fei as she was not the one who caused bad things to Long Fei Yen but Yong Wang Fei was. Both she and QH were forced to marry Jiachun princess by Yong Wong Fei. I know QH’s mom made a point to QH that that they also made an enemy out of Long Fei as she mentioned to Yong Wang Fei regards to Long family’s marriage interest to QH. What QH’s mom could have done when she was told of both families’ interest to marry QH instead of letting them know of each other interest?

 

 

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12 minutes ago, hello210 said:

 

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I’m hoping they keep it to where the will only stipulates that GTY gets the dowry brought by his mother since that would pretty much make the rest of the family poor. And let his sickly brother redeem himself a little by making the decision himself to let GTY inherit, since his brother was really brainwashed by the stepmom since young. 

 

Not sure since they still have part of GTY’s mom dowry or not. GTY mentioned him going back to Marquis house to get his mom’s stuff and he and Shitou were shown cleaning and packing stuff (that is when they found knee pads made by ML’s mom and he told ST to keep them safe). 

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On 1/10/2019 at 10:00 AM, Golden Flower said:

There are many posts from a few days ago saying QH’s mom being cunning, manipulative and trying to shame the grandmom and I was trying to point out that it is not the case and the situation will not turn out really bad making grandmom angry if ML and her grandmom did not hear wrong information from QH in advance that his parents would propose ML’s hands. 

What I meant was the drama did not explain/portray well the societal/family norms of the time

@Golden Flower I know that the drama is already way past this incident but on hindsight after re watch and having a broader view of the political landscape at that time period in the drama, I can see the valid reasons for Duchess Qi to do what she did at Changbai's wedding, gifting the Sheng girls with pearls as a brother to his sisters. It is not even about status as that was not the most pressing issue at that moment but it was about family survival. Little did the young lovers to be, QH and ML, realize that their playing together at the  polo match may have ignited a simmering political contest to an open political warfare. In the beginning episodes when 3rd brother was boasting about supporting Prince Yong, his father minister Sheng was "punished" by the emperor as an example for the other families. For me that indicates that the emperor was not in favor of Yong. Until the time of the latest episode, the emperor still did not name any heir for the throne. As the episodes progress, we see Duchess Qi kneeling to the empress calling her mother and begging her help to ask Prince Yong's consort to release her husband, Duke Qi. So, the house of Qi's power is derived from their relationship to the dying emperor who is sick and has not been attending court. Duchess Qi wanted to betroth her son to Princess Rong whose family, if I am correct, is supporting the emperor in not endorsing Prince Yong to be the heir to the throne. It is not yet revealed if the emperor already selected an heir in secret or if he has somebody in mind. Duchess Qi was trying to make alliance with a stronger family with the same political leanings for mutual support. However, Prince Yong took advantage of his daughter's infatuation with Yuan Ruo, had Princess Rong and family dishonored and committed suicide, and forced Yuan Ruo's bethrotal to his daughter. He shot 2 birds with one stone. But now, the Qi family has encurred the enmity of the Rong family and the Qi's are left standing between a rock and a hard place. I can also understand why the duchess did not trust Yuan Ruo enough to tell him her plans because she realized that Yuan Ruo will not listen and might do something worse than what he did at the polo match. I am waiting to see if the future episodes will show Yuan Ruo and Ting Ye standing at opposite sides of the political playing field. 

 

I see what you mean by the drama not portraying well the societal/family norms of the time, that the drama changed some of the story line and the family rules and attitudes of characters. It maybe  to make the drama spicier to the viewers and conform to what they think viewers expect? But thank you for the information it is good to know. 

 

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2 hours ago, minglan1 said:

Well said.She is a very shrewd woman.Any one who dares to mess with her will eventually be paid back with interest.

Only GTY has seen this side of her although in glimpses.

If QH were to know of her cunning and rutheless ways to exact revenge he would have got a  heart attack.:D

Hahahah. 

QH prolly think she's this sweet innocent girl like all others! 

 

@Golden Flower does that mean ML didn't actually revenge her mom in the novel? And pretty much waited for karma to do their job?

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8 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

Not sure since they still have part of GTY’s mom dowry or not. GTY mentioned him going back to Marquis house to get his mom’s stuff and he and Shitou were shown cleaning and packing stuff (that is when they found knee pads made by ML’s mom and he told ST to keep them safe). 

I think there’s supposed to be shops and stuff that’s sustaining their family that was part of the dowry similar to Hulan’s dowry. Because before the marriage the family was highly in debt. We’ll see how it’s played out. However they do it, it gets bad enough to where the stepmom tries to stab GTY in the trailers.

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14 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

Not sure since they still have part of GTY’s mom dowry or not. GTY mentioned him going back to Marquis house to get his mom’s stuff and he and Shitou were shown cleaning and packing stuff (that is when they found knee pads made by ML’s mom and he told ST to keep them safe). 

 

I just think that was what was left of her stuff like necklaces etc.. probs still more of his mums stuff hidden.

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47 minutes ago, hello210 said:

:lol: For me it’s all pure entertainment. I’m just a sucker for spoilers so I look up novels of dramas I’m watching to see how the ending is or was supposed to be since the historical/fantasy dramas have a tendency to kill, freeze or make one of the leads disappear (guess so it’s open for another season). 

 

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I’m hoping they keep it to where the will only stipulates that GTY gets the dowry brought by his mother since that would pretty much make the rest of the family poor. And let his sickly brother redeem himself a little by making the decision himself to let GTY inherit, since his brother was really brainwashed by the stepmom since young. 

 

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Oh he got all the dowries and show it off to CB in the trailer. Guess it's his strategist to win ML over by recruiting CB's support to his campaign:lol:

 

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8 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Hahahah. 

QH prolly think she's this sweet innocent girl like all others! 

 

@Golden Flower does that mean ML didn't actually revenge her mom in the novel? And pretty much waited for karma to do their job?

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Ml in the novel was a transmigrater. The mom was not her mom because original ML has already died. So, there is no desire for revenge. Beside ml character in the novel was a lazy person, just want to live well, eat well abd sleep. Love herself more than anyone else(grandma was an exception) until the confrontation with gty after marriage did she change her attitude towards love and trust. 

 

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1 hour ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Everything you said would have made me hate the book if the book does nothing to make ML a interesting character or show off her smarts it would be incredibly boring but can you stop being pessimistic every time you post? 

 

Was this part really needed to be said by you again and again, show is a adaptation not a clone and the book is not based on history or real event's can you move on. 

 

So what you do every-time you post? you say we need to stop comparing when that is all you do, no-one else is bringing logic into this or trying to compare it to history apart from you. 

If you go back to around page 74-76 and read the posts. I’m not only one posting these concepts. I’m responding to @linhlinh111 regards to “Molan might not do to the point of sleeping with Liang son” and a few other posted agreeing some of ML abilities are a bit forced.

You can skip the posts you don’t wanna read and ignore the posts you do not agree. I do not respond to a lot of your posts disagreeing not only with me but with others or insult you even though you have called me ignorant. This is a free forum and you do not need to attack others because they have different point of view. I haven’t broken any rules or being rude to anyone.

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4 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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Ml in the novel was a transmigrater. The mom was not her mom because original ML has already died. So, there is no desire for revenge. Beside ml character in the novel was a lazy person, just want to live well, eat well abd sleep. Love herself more than anyone else(grandma was an exception) until the confrontation with gty after marriage did she change her attitude towards love and trust. 

 

So she's just ignorant towards everything at the first half of the novel then? 

Lol. The eat well sleep well bit is being maintained in the show it seems. 

ML always struggles to wake up for classes, at first I thought it was just a front she puts up, but then she really didn't wanna wake up even at Youyang. The couz had to drag her out of bed! :lol:

 

And U can tell she loves her food. Lol. Suddenly she wasn't so sick anymore when dr.he brought her fav fish soup! 

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14 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

 

@Golden Flower does that mean ML didn't actually revenge her mom in the novel? And pretty much waited for karma to do their job?

ML didn’t revenge. It was all Lin Yiniang and Molan doing. ML was a time-traveler and when she got into 5 yrs old ML’s body, Wei Shao Niang just died and the body of ML was sick from being sadness of her mother’s death. Since it wasn’t her mother, she didn’t do anything though she deduced that it might be Lin Yiniang’s doing. 

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12 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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Oh he got all the dowries and show it off to CB in the trailer. Guess it's his strategist to win ML over by recruiting CB's support to his campaign:lol:

 

@leeza77 Which trailer is that? I missed it :lol:

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1 minute ago, m0us3y said:

So she's just ignorant towards everything at the first half of the novel then? 

Lol. The eat well sleep well bit is being maintained in the show it seems. 

ML always struggles to wake up for classes, at first I thought it was just a front she puts up, but then she really didn't wanna wake up even at Youyang. The couz had to drag her out of bed! :lol:

 

And U can tell she loves her food. Lol. Suddenly she wasn't so sick anymore when dr.he brought her fav fish soup! 

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Ha ha.. Can't wait the part where she was dreaming of eating elbow and end up biting her hubby elbow. The next day, the dear hubby bought elbow for her. :D

 

1 minute ago, hello210 said:

@leeza77 Which trailer is that? I missed it :lol:

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Saw it on weibo.. I don't know how to post it on this forum. The part where gty walked with cb abd show cb a stack of deed. 

 

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27 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

If you go back to around page 74-76 and read the posts. I’m not only one posting these concepts. I’m responding to @linhlinh111 regards to “Molan might not do to the point of sleeping with Liang son” and a few other posted agreeing some of ML abilities are a bit forced.

You can skip the posts you don’t wanna read and ignore the posts you do not agree. I do not respond to a lot of your posts disagreeing not only with me but with others or insult you even though you have called me ignorant. This is a free forum and you do not need to attack others because they have different point of view. I haven’t broken any rules or being rude to anyone.

 

Yeah ill ignore you your posts of repeating the IM not hating the drama but... , we should not talk about the novel or logic but... ill just write exactly that. Your so obvious and i have no attacked anyone just called you ignorant which you are. 

 

You said you wont talk about history,logic or compare to the novel for two day's now will you say it tomorrow as well?

 

If you cant take a simple remark like ignorant how can you survive in this world honestly. 

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58 minutes ago, hello210 said:

@leeza77 Which trailer is that? I missed it :lol:

@hello210 @leeza77

 

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Those envelopes were not deeds to the properties. He was bragging to CB about official families sending him marriage proposal letters. 

CB then said it is national mourning period (former emperor passed). GTY said these marriage seekers do not care about mourning time inviting him to dine with them, some are even saying their families had marriage agreement since he was a child and even showing affections towards his daughter Rong Jie Er. He was so afraid that he had to run away picking up RJE with excuse to go to toilet. Then, he asked CB jokingly (I’m pretty sure he was trying to test the water and probing him for info on ML) how come your Sheng family is not proposing marriage to me with the girls. CB then said you’re thinking so good of yourself, his mom is planning marriage for Rulan with his cousin (his maternal uncle’s son) and ML’s marriage depends on grandma’s decision and that grandma has been planning her marriage with younger son of He family from Bai Shi Tang (district part of city). That’s why I mentioned earlier that GTY got info on ML’s marriage from CB. 

 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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Ha ha.. Can't wait the part where she was dreaming of eating elbow and end up biting her hubby elbow. The next day, the dear hubby bought elbow for her. :D

 

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Saw it on weibo.. I don't know how to post it on this forum. The part where gty walked with cb abd show cb a stack of deed. 

 

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Found it. The stepmom and family doing a 180 on their attitude now that GTY is back with honor SMH. And of course his talk with CB. That’s how he found out about ML &  Doc He right?

It also sounded like QH may want to try again?  

@Golden Flower @leeza77

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4 minutes ago, hello210 said:
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Found it. The stepmom and family doing a 180 on their attitude now that GTY is back with honor SMH. And of course his talk with CB. That’s how he found out about ML &  Doc He right?

It also sounded like QH may want to try again?  

 

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Yes, cb told gty something about Bai family youngest son. Is he a new suitor for ml?ML rejected dr he bcoz of the cousin. Qh went to the south.. For what? 

 

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