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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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12 minutes ago, cheekychipmunk_stv said:

 

It's hard to answer. That's why no one answered because ever episode is different display of acting skill .. depends on what u are looking for. All is subtle display of emotions sInce she is supposed to be docile, obedient and non existence with her siblings and Da Niang n Concubine Lin. Only RL and grandma knows her spunkiness.

That’s why I suggested they watch the show and see for themselves. ZLY is a good actor but to know which is her best performance can differ in opinions as we all have different views on what is best. 

She really becomes the characters she plays. She studies and gets to know it and reads the novel. That’s why I always believe I am watching the character and not ZLY. I love that they also used their real voice... Over all I think the cast is very good. Some say some actors are not good looking or some look too old or support class look better than male lead etc etc... This is why I prefer C-drama over K-drama. Because a lot of good shows is not just baiting people with good looking young actors... J-drama have a lot of good slice of life dramas which I appreciate but the acting is a hit or miss. I only watch C dramas nowadays and glad more shows are being subbed.

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9 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

I concurred and that’s what I have been commenting in my previous posts (even wrote long pointing out out of logic scenes) that I was a bit disappointed in drama writing for being inconsistent with main theme/ logic of the story of “how tough the life of the women those days and worse if they’re are Shu daughter”. Although I knew drama won’t follow the novel exactly, ML and GTY are main leads but it was my fault in hoping that it will try to be as close to historically and culturally accurate in potraying the life of women of Song Dynasty as they kept the Chinese name which came from poem lamenting tough life of women. I was my ideal thinking the drama won’t be fantasy idol drama with overachieving heroine and male lead as they chose this novel with realistically flawed leads but they will subtly potray ML’s achievements, GTY’s changes and their fated meetings (GTY rescuing ML 3 times from bandits a bit much coincidental and there will be 4th time rescuing her from Assassins) within the context allowable of that time period like in the book. After watching epi 32 and previews, I decided to change my mindset and won’t be focusing on being logical with the time period or drama being as a literary piece or compare it with the book. I will just watch it like entertainment drama like others with super heroine and her knight in shining armor. I know the book is also novel and not history book but from reading history books and other historical novels, I just think the characters and the logic of the story reflect more closely to difficult lives of women in Song, Ming and Qing society due to widespread belief of Neo-Confucianism and men restricting lives of women.

Note: I do not dislike any actors in the drama or particularly dislike any characters in the book except Lin Yiniang and Jiachen princess and her mon (now drama changed it to her mom YW Fei only). I also like ZLY acting in Legend of Luzhen, Shen Shen and princess agent as I watched those drama as just fantasy idol drama. 

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I guess that was another reason I dropped Yanxi Palace as unrealistic heroine and storylines not reflecting palace rules of Qing dynasty.

 

I read the novel because of the drama. And it's very difficult, skipping to the part of zly and gty. If the drama strictly follow the novel, it's quite boring. Just my opinion. :D

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Has anyone seen this trailer subbed below:

 

https://www.viki.com/videos/1142287v-trailer-4

 

It seems to contain several scenes that take place after ML's marriage.  I especially want to know what they are saying in the second half of it. 

 

I can't reset my password for my original Soompi account.  All I get is a 404 # error.

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40 minutes ago, cheekychipmunk_stv said:

Ep 31 - the scene with QH n his princess wife. He is totally lifeless and hen pecked by the princess. How can she expects him to love her when he is forced to marry her and she treats  him with no respect at all. He is like a bought dog doing "yes master." I wanted to slap her when she forced QH to pray out loud for blessings with children and only satisfied when he did n said "That should be the way." I cant translate it well but in Chinese is more insulting in its implication at that scene. Temple scene is so sad. ML cried when she saw QH.

 

I do feel that ML orchestrate the whole thing by egging Molan n Concubine Lin to desperately capture 6th Lord. She just lay all the hints for them to react. She did well in getting Da Niang to go temple and catch Molan and 6th Lord.

 

She can really be a badass when situation asked for.

 

CB''s wife threw a question to Molan "have you ever wondered why a high status family like Liang would asked for ML hand in marriage instead?" Molan did hesitated n almost have a heart attack moment that maybe she miscalculated this time... then she quickly brushed it away thinking that they were just simply jealous of her because she will be the main wife of 6th lord and everyone in this household will bow to her. She couldn't believe that 6th lord didn't want her nor ask for her hand in marriage after getting caught. That alone should sound the alarm in her head. She just simply cannot believe that she lost the game.

 

The Dr He seems like a good fit for ML just like QH. They will have a very normal peaceful marriage if he didn't have a cousin crushing on him. Did Dr He reciprocated his cousin's feeling's too? He looks a bit like QH too.

 

The suitor for RL seems a tad too old. He isn't that bad looking if u look at him more. Just that he looks a lot older than any if the main casts and even the 6th lord.

 

 

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Yes, ml did manipulate molan and linniang as her form of revenge for her mother death. She admitted it to grandma and grandma was so angry and slapped her, but hugged her later on (oww grandma is the best). The one who told molan about mama liang wanted ML and not her wad Hualan, not CB's wife. 

 

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21 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

I concurred and that’s what I have been commenting in my previous posts (even wrote long pointing out out of logic scenes) that I was a bit disappointed in drama writing for being inconsistent with main theme/ logic of the story of “how tough the life of the women those days and worse if they’re are Shu daughter”. Although I knew drama won’t follow the novel exactly, ML and GTY are main leads but it was my fault in hoping that it will try to be as close to historically and culturally accurate in potraying the life of women of Song Dynasty as they kept the Chinese name which came from poem lamenting tough life of women. I was my ideal thinking the drama won’t be fantasy idol drama with overachieving heroine and male lead as they chose this novel with realistically flawed leads but they will subtly potray ML’s achievements, GTY’s changes and their fated meetings (GTY rescuing ML 3 times from bandits a bit much coincidental and there will be 4th time rescuing her from Assassins) within the context allowable of that time period like in the book. After watching epi 32 and previews, I decided to change my mindset and won’t be focusing on being logical with the time period or drama being as a literary piece or compare it with the book. I will just watch it like entertainment drama like others with super heroine and her knight in shining armor. I know the book is also novel and not history book but from reading history books and other historical novels, I just think the characters and the logic of the story reflect more closely to difficult lives of women in Song, Ming and Qing society due to widespread belief of Neo-Confucianism and men restricting lives of women.

Note: I do not dislike any actors in the drama or particularly dislike any characters in the book except Lin Yiniang and Jiachen princess and her mon (now drama changed it to her mom YW Fei only). I also like ZLY acting in Legend of Luzhen, Shen Shen and princess agent as I watched those drama as just fantasy idol drama. 

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I guess that was another reason I dropped Yanxi Palace as unrealistic heroine and storylines not reflecting palace rules of Qing dynasty.

 

 

Yeah cause you knew everything that happened back then? are you a time traveller im sure you know exactly what went on in every household. # If you think this drama is simply a drama with super heroine and knight in shinning armour then that is your ignorance. 

 

So annoying its like you people want to be bored to death if this show followed the book it would be awfully boring and even the book is unrealistic when the female lead is from a different time but lets look at this show and compare it to history?

 

If anyone has actually read the book and think's the book is better then mercy on your soul that is all im saying. 

 

Oh lord. 

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20 minutes ago, cheekychipmunk_stv said:

 

Seriously?  In which ep did ML asked Dr He to go to brothel? I must have missed it.

Ep 24 during the Shulan divorce talks with the elders. :lol: he actually helps with a little bit of bribing using medicine. 

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22 minutes ago, cheekychipmunk_stv said:

 

Seriously?  In which ep did ML asked Dr He to go to brothel? I must have missed it.

 

QH & ML will be happy together without the interfering n over controlling mother in law. She is pure black heart. QH will be like Dr He ... do everything ML asked of him. :lol:  GTY will too but within reasons. He will be putty in ML hands just like Dr He & QH.

That's in ep 23 if i'm not mistaken. Ml and pinglan seeking the prostitute deed (of xiucai's concubine). It was held by the owner of the brothel. Thus, here it comes the good dr.he went to the brothel to ask the owner to meet ml n pl in a restaurant negotiating on the purchase of the deed. 

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23 minutes ago, cheekychipmunk_stv said:

 

Seriously?  In which ep did ML asked Dr He to go to brothel? I must have missed it.

 

QH & ML will be happy together without the interfering n over controlling mother in law. She is pure black heart. QH will be like Dr He ... do everything ML asked of him. :lol:  GTY will too but within reasons. He will be putty in ML hands just like Dr He & QH.

When they were trying to save ML's couz?

They were trying to get amicable separation while the good for nothing arrogant husband wanted to divorce her. So ML, the sis and they took Dr he to the brothel to get the certificate?

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12 minutes ago, minoku2209 said:

Next trailer epi 33-34

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Thank you.Things are moving at breathneck speed.Exciting times ahead.

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26 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

That's in ep 23 if i'm not mistaken. Ml and pinglan seeking the prostitute deed (of xiucai's concubine). It was held by the owner of the brothel. Thus, here it comes the good dr.he went to the brothel to ask the owner to meet ml n pl in a restaurant negotiating on the purchase of the deed. 

 

Hahaha ... I thought it was a servant or male cousin that they asked. The actors looked quite alike that sometimes I have a hard time distinguishing them.

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1 hour ago, Don Yu said:

*SIGH*

Sorry if this is annoying, but I am really trying to know but no one is telling me, so I am asking again!

Which episode so far is Zhang LiYing's BEST ACTING episode? I would appreciate it SO MUCH if someone can tell me.

PLEASE ANSWER!!!

@Don Yu and everyone...

For subtle eye and facial expressions, I would say TV version epi 27. She did best during Liang Mama visiting and talking about QH’s upcoming marriage and QH and her last meeting. 

 

 

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On 1/13/2019 at 9:57 AM, cheekychipmunk_stv said:

 

He did say to ML that he will punish those who bullies her. He knows that they look down on him because of his reputation and he has mistress n children  and throw ML to him. Not that he minds. In any case he feels he won lottery by marrying ML. He is just showing to them what ML gains by marrying him and their loss. Hahaha

 

LOL.. Im looking forward for this part in the drama...ML and GTY wedding is my fav part in the novel... kekekek

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Granma is like a dragon, she was so pissed when Da Niang told her what Madam Liang had suggested that ML marries her 6th son as the main wife while Molan as the concubine, she is basically 'shouting' that she was the one who raised ML and nobody in hell is going to marry her  ML off but she!! You gotta love  granma !

 

 

ML jiumu makes me miss my late Granny.. Im glad ML have granny to protect her from useless father and manipulating stepmoms.. sighhh

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8 hours ago, m0us3y said:

From the trailer it seem like GTY was jealous after seeing QH and ML together, alone. 

In the novel (as mentioned by another chingu), it was written as GTY was jealous because ML showed the true side of her, as ML was angry with QH and showed it. As his wife, ML was always the perfect wife that never raises her voice, never angry. But GTY wanted to see the true side of her which has all emotions. 

 

However in the drama, I'm not sure they are keeping that as we can see that ML loses her cool with him more than she ever did with QH. And I think GTY is happy because he gets to see the real her. So I'm suspecting he really is jealous. In the trailer, towards the end, he asked her "if you get to choose again, would you still have married me??" 

 

I think GTY is jealous too.. From the earlier eps, its kinda obvious that he loves to tease ML about marriage.. Honestly, in the drama, GTY might have some attraction towards ML but he do not noticed it yet.. That's y he offered to help QH to kidnap the princess before ML & QH break up.

 

 

7 hours ago, linhlinh111 said:

I like Rulan both in the drama and in the book. She might look spoilt and shallow but actually she was more mature than what's shown. Like she said women would be very stressful once married, so she just tried to live as carefree and fun as she could while still living with her parents. She was never blinded by the glamour of status and money, she never got jealous of ML bc she was more admired than her, she understood her shortcomings and she was waiting for the one who loved her for who she was. I never imagined a character which I didn't care and kinda dislike at the beginning turned out to be one of those I like most. She had grown so much since she got married and tbh I'm impressed.

 

Me too.. I think i really like Rulan character as well.. If I live in that era, I would make Rulan as one of my bestie.. She is so transparent and straight forward.. I prefer to have that kind of girlfriend compared to the Lotus type like Molan.. Rather than mature, I think Rulan is much more honest compared to other character in this novel n drama.. Maybe because she was pampered since she was young and have less hardship than ML...

 

If only the producer is kinder to Rulan in the drama by giving her handsome and good looking scholar just like in the novel.. LOL.. Her future beau that appears look kinda old in the drama.. LOL..

 

Anyway, Rulan is my fav gfriend if I live in that novel.. kekekek..

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28 minutes ago, lyaarisa said:

 

I think GTY is jealous too.. From the earlier eps, its kinda obvious that he loves to tease ML about marriage.. Honestly, in the drama, GTY might have some attraction towards ML but he do not noticed it yet.. That's y he offered to help QH to kidnap the princess before ML & QH break up.

 

Hahahah. :lol:

Actually I think he's aware. If he wasnt, I'm sure Shitou has been pointing out to him. 

But as he told QH, QH has humiliated ML by showing/ declaring his love during the polo match only to not marry her. 

So his every move has been very careful, and deliberate. 

Including getting her to walk home alone and then secretly protecting her from behind, and then followed ML and Granny's carriage all the way to capital yet not showing his face to them. 

Even when he talks to her at the end of ep28, he was careful to not say he brought things for her, but he brought things on behalf of the 2nd bro for her. 

He doesn't want to put her in another difficult situation, to embarass or humiliate her. 

 

That's partially what he meant when he said we need to plan 5 steps ahead and 3 steps back everytime. :)

 

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On the topic of 3 steps forward and 5 steps backward, Gu Ting Ye's reference is to Qi Heng's undecisiveness to take the appropriate actions to secure he and Ming Lan's future together. 

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38 minutes ago, Jackie1048 said:

On the topic of 3 steps forward and 5 steps backward, Gu Ting Ye's reference is to Qi Heng's undecisiveness to take the appropriate actions to secure he and Ming Lan's future together. 

 

I agree with him that QH could've avoided all this crap if he had pushed for marriage waaay earlier. But then again, even if he did somehow convince his mother to marry ML as main wife (I doubt that will EVER happened, his mother is an ice cube), if the Princess still expressed interest, she would be pushed down to concubine anyways. 

 

But the main thing that got me was when GTY volunteered to abduct the Princess. Like dude ... is there no one to overhear this crap you're spouting lol. He said it so loudly toooo

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4 hours ago, Maria Brimstone said:

Okay, no idea if this has been asked or answered when I was going through the massive paragraphs debating QH's character and judgement lol.

 

Buuut, I was wondering if the Princess he marries gets any form of retribution? Does QH's mother also suffer in any way in the future? Over bearing daughter-in-law or during the rebellion and so forth

 

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She and her mother the wang fei, both got raped and killed from the 1st rebellion

dunno about QH’s mother tho.. as she isnt as scary in the novel

 

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4 hours ago, cherubstomato said:

That’s why I suggested they watch the show and see for themselves. ZLY is a good actor but to know which is her best performance can differ in opinions as we all have different views on what is best. 

She really becomes the characters she plays. She studies and gets to know it and reads the novel. That’s why I always believe I am watching the character and not ZLY. I love that they also used their real voice... Over all I think the cast is very good. Some say some actors are not good looking or some look too old or support class look better than male lead etc etc... This is why I prefer C-drama over K-drama. Because a lot of good shows is not just baiting people with good looking young actors... J-drama have a lot of good slice of life dramas which I appreciate but the acting is a hit or miss. I only watch C dramas nowadays and glad more shows are being subbed.

 

Yes I agree.. yingbao is definitely live up to her immense popularity. Imo mostly c actors/actresses are popular with huge following but subpar (even below subpar, even tho I do like them) acting. But I can say yingbao is good. Maybe not the best, but at least you dont see her over acting or being wooden

 

her best acting is yet to come in this drama, maiden minglan is subdued, wait until she becomes Marchioness Gu and unleash her potential

 

OT, but personally for me, yingbao’s best character is as yin xinyue in the mystic nine. Like how the saying goes “dying is easy, comedy is hard” she really stole every scene she was in

 

 

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9 minutes ago, nichiwoohee said:

 

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She and her mother the wang fei, both got raped and killed from the 1st rebellion

dunno about QH’s mother tho.. as she isnt as scary in the novel

 

If the drama followed the novel, they got their karma :thumbsup:

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