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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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37 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

OK, first, I have to say that I don't like how people use the reason of the guys being the leads/second leads to judge who is more deserving of the girl or that the drama favors one character more than the other. Because imo, the drama put way more work into portraying QH than GTY. QH fail because of his hesitation and indecisiveness, resulted from his sheltered upbringing, which was reasonable, not because the drama force him to be that way.

 

Second,  I would like to respectfully disagree with your opinion, that GTY get the girls because that drama wanted him to. You're making it sound like GTY has no redeeming qualities, not as good of a man as QH and the only reason he gets the girl is because of his male lead status? I'm sorry no one is better than the other, the drama does not try to make this man looks better than the other one. GTY is right for her not necessarily because he's a better man, but due to a combination of his personality, his circumstances and his timing; not because he's the best man in the world, but because he's the most suitable one for her. That's why he gets the girl; and getting the girl is what makes him the male lead, not the other way around.

 

Regarding the polo match, QH was not the only male person there, if he didn't help her, no one would've singled him out to judge. I haven't seen any other male presented there that day being criticized for not helping her, not even her brother who abandon her middle of the match. If he didn't play, he would have been like any other male who were there that day, no better, no worse. By doing that, he only made their relationship a public topic of gossip and speculation and put a target on her back. QH himself even said to ML that he did not play to help Yanran win the pin back, he played it for her.

I understood your opinion, I'll have to say, the script (story, book or drama) make QH like this and GTY like that, because we are watching drama, people made the story (it might be different if this is in a real world, real people, no one knows the future) and only in drama we know the end story that QH is not suitable for ML, because the script choose GTY for ML, if they chose QH, they can easily changed his story eg: his mother finally chose her son's happiness over family security, GTY got kill during war (since he's in army), etc 

And if QH didn't help ML and no one will judge him?, in previous comment, many people call him sissy, no backbone, etc, I believe, people will judge him eventually.

And when he said, I played for you, it's understandable since he's trying to win her heart, he made sure that ML knows his intention, it's because of her not YR

 

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Ep 28 is so hard to watch.  QH is no match to the scheming & cunning in law. He was practically being blackmailed to marry the princess. The mother is stupid to think her daughter would be happy being married to a forced guy. 

But like GTY said to QH ... hé could have tit for tat with that royalty. As he pointed out QH lead a very sheltered life and he didn't think using devious method is the right way to solve the problem.  GTY was also right that QH could have married ML long time ago with his parents approval if he know's how to play his cards right. 

GTY even offered to kidnapped the Princess for QH and will take the blame for everything if anything happens.  QH I think didn't dare to take the risk and ruin everyone. GTY made QH realised that how things turned out this way is all his own fault. He could have fought cunningly and smartly. Everything would be alright.

 

This ep is so sad and a rude awakening for QH. He grew up overnight. His beloved servant die in front of him. His mother is so hard & cruel to her only n most beloved son. 

 

QH is such a sad character in the story. He was never his own man. He is owned by his mom and family and later his wife. His life was always run by people. His only 1 happiness in life is ML and his man servant. Both taken from him cruelly by his mom and his scheming wife family. 

 

I guess by marrying his grandson with ML granddaughter is his way of fulfilling his un-fulfilled life time wish to marry ML.

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21 minutes ago, tomo74 said:

I understood your opinion, I'll have to say, the script (story, book or drama) make QH like this and GTY like that, because we are watching drama, people made the story (it might be different if this is in a real world, real people, no one knows the future) and only in drama we know the end story that QH is not suitable for ML, because the script choose GTY for ML, if they chose QH, they can easily changed his story eg: his mother finally chose her son's happiness over family security, GTY got kill during war (since he's in army), etc 

And if QH didn't help ML and no one will judge him?, in previous comment, many people call him sissy, no backbone, etc, I believe, people will judge him eventually.

And when he said, I played for you, it's understandable since he's trying to win her heart, he made sure that ML knows his intention, it's because of her not YR

 

 

People call QH out on him having no backbone is from his way of dealing with his parents disapproval, not because of him helping her in the polo match or not. If he didn't help her there, the audience would have understood that he was being considerate of her reputation, not calling him a sissy. No one was asking him for help, Madam Wu was going to help her anyway, he's the one who insisted on helping while she refused. I'm not trying to find fault on him here, but I think his action in the polo match was a bit short-sighted. He was not doing anything horrible, only focusing on being her knight in shining armor, trying to show her his affection; but he obviously didn't think far enough on the consequences, how his public display of affection could hurt her. Sure, he couldn't have predicted the crazy Yong Wang family, but he should've at least knew playing polo closely with a outside male would hurt her reputation, make people notice their relationship and anger his mom.

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I have watched ep 28 and I think there is simply no more options for QH family. QH just have no options left.

 

I felt that if we view the matter from a political perspective, QH family was simply too weak to fight against the other party. Like what QH's mother said, other than their family, the entire Qi family was in ruins. QH father did not hold any actual position for power. QH family may seemed as prosperous with close links to the Emperor, but I think their family in actual had no real power in the political landscape.  I actually sympathized with Qh's mother , doing all she could to sustain and keep her family intact. QH had failed to see the harsh reality that his family was in. Besides I think GTY made the right comparison that QH was Ming Huang. I do not believe that QH will actually sacrifice his family honor for ML.  

 

In addition, Yong Wang is seemed as the prospective Emperor, and if QH had refused to marry the princess, it would deemed as undermining the power of prospective emperor and I believed they would go all out to harm QH father for the sake of optics. Especially when the backdrop of the situation was that the current emperor have no direct heirs and he's selecting the heir. All the more his Yong wang will ensure that the princess gets to marry QH. It is actually a show of his actual power.  By marrying Qh whom's family appeared to be close to the current emperor,  all the more Yong Wang is showing to the whole country that he is the heir apparent to the throne. To conclude,  the princess, ML, QH are all sacrificial items in this political fight. It is a tragedy for QH and I guess a call for him to look at the harsh reality for he has been sheltered all his life. 

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@zenya22 @leeza77

My comment on the drama not doing a good job in explaining and potraying well was only related to “certain important societal norms and certain conducts expected of women from different status during that time in Song Dynasty”. 

 

I’m not saying about poetic/historical references or Chinese traditions and cultural nuisances that non-native cannot grasp. I'm also not on anyships or fan of any actors in this drama or dislikes for anyone. I did expect good consistent script and drama flow since writers are from Battle of Changsha which was great family drama (I watched it accidentally and it was out of my expectation though being set in period of Sino-Japanese war, a genre which I really don’t watch) and Newlight is Production company of NIF I & II. So, obviously, I’m a little bit disappointed. 

 

Yes, of course, comments/ answers from posters from this thread is very helpful and necessary for close to fully understanding the drama. That’s why I read most of the posts here since drama started to make sure my understanding was right as I’m non-native speaker, and grew up in totally different culture though my mandarin reading and listening skill can be considered intermediate. (I actually improved my mandarin from watching Chinese drama past 7 years). 

 

I’m referring to script inconsistencies from scene to scene as well as a few scenes with overall theme in regarding to potraying those basic societal norms since they are groundwork of this family drama. 
First eg, I was comfused on why GTY was so angry and accusing ML for destroying his marriage with Yanran (YR) at the desert store since he wasn't supposed to know it was ML who had confrontation with Maniang on behalf of YR. So, how did GTY find out??? MN did not know ML's name or she wasn't from Yu family and MN would not tell GTY that she went to Yu's house. Before that scene, there was a scene where ML was reprimanded verbally by grandma for confronting MN on behalf of YR as granny was worried that her reputation will be ruined as it will be seen as improper conduct for unmarried shu daughter like ML. ML told GM that she dared to confront MN as nobody will know she was the one who had face-off with MN as Yu family would have kept MN's visit as secret (which they did by not mentioning even having marriage proposal from GTY for YR), YR and her grandparents are moving back to their hometown and MN didn't know who she was. 
Woman's reputation, conducts and virtues were one of the main focus of the story, emphasizing that they effect not only her but also her sisters and her maternal family. ML, grandma and Kong Momo have been shown talking about the importance of these conducts a few times. So, why did drama show that GTY know it was ML who prevented his marriage and how did he even manage to find out when Yu family and ML have been deligent in hiding that fact??? To me, this whole scene is out of place. 
 
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In the book, GTY did not know ML’s involvement, he was angry at YR’s grandfather for denying his marriage proposal by saying he forgot about YR’s former verbal proposal from his friend’s grandson. He was just asking ML what was the issue since she is close friend of YR. Then, ML told him about MN’s visit to Yu’s house and YR’s grandfather throwing up blood because of that. 

I know the later part of this scene where GTY and ML cat fight was some of your favorite scene. 

Another eg is the differences in status of woman (main wife, concubine, di vs shu daughters) in this society as one of the main foundations of story. 

(1) the drama let ML manages the house when she gained her own courtyard. 

This act is opposing from main foundation of story which is differences in woman's status. The chance of shu daughter managing government official household in the capital is none in that time period. If it is possible for shu daughter to have this status, why is the drama and book making a big deal about ML needing to be reserved and cautious in nature since she is shu daughter, QH's mom and other characters in drama looking down on her because she is shu born and she can't be with QH because she was shu born. In the book, she just gained her own courtyard and showed her ability to dispose spies from LYN and WS with the help of their own hands like in the drama. Basically, she does not need to be managing the house by herself in order to show her smarts, her growth and her having hands-on experience in managing household to be realistic for her managing General’s house and Marquess Gu house later. They could have made ML helping grandmom or WS. 

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 (2) the conflict in Sheng’s house aroused from SH favoring LYN over main wife. Even a lot of posters are saying how annoying it is for father SH to continually favor Lin Yinaing even after he was told by grandma not to favor her anymore after the death of ML’s mom as it can effect family reputation as well as his reputation as official (as well as after Kong Momo reminded him of the importance of concubine knowing her place and its negative effect on family structure and reputation). They could have shown SH less favoring LYN like in the book or tone it down since it is impossible to be favoring concubine over the main wife in the capital  being governmental official. 

In the book, SH did favors a lot less to Lin Yiniang after listening to grandmom words when ML’s mom died and Kong Momo’s reminder of effecting his officialdom for favoring concubine over main wife, he became more respectful to big madam (WS), and reprimands LYN greatly when she cause ruckus or did not know her place. He even removed Molan from her courtyard and let her move into WS’s courtyard when he realized that Molan conducts becoming improper under her guidance (forgot exact cause). Unlike in the drama, he did not let the girls go back to Master Zhaung’s class at all even after LYN begged him many times. He was really pissed at LYN and even slapped her when she persuades him to talk to Duke Qi family for Molan’s marriage continuously even after he told her it is improper.  In the drama, he was still going to her room even after she committed a big crime of selling properties.    

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, tomo74 said:

I understood your opinion, I'll have to say, the script (story, book or drama) make QH like this and GTY like that, because we are watching drama, people made the story (it might be different if this is in a real world, real people, no one knows the future) and only in drama we know the end story that QH is not suitable for ML, because the script choose GTY for ML, if they chose QH, they can easily changed his story eg: his mother finally chose her son's happiness over family security, GTY got kill during war (since he's in army), etc 

And if QH didn't help ML and no one will judge him?, in previous comment, many people call him sissy, no backbone, etc, I believe, people will judge him eventually.

And when he said, I played for you, it's understandable since he's trying to win her heart, he made sure that ML knows his intention, it's because of her not YR

 

 

Its not modern times you know.... where you can help your crush whenever you want. That period didn't allow that freedom. Liang Mama was all ready to help ML. QH hadn't even offered yet so all he should have done was stay silent. But QH jumped in without a thought. He arranged this whole polo thing so he could meet ML openly. He invited everyone....he should have thought about what kind of people were present there. He should have known what kind of consequences his actions would bring for ML.

QH being criticized is because of the way he helped her, which brought all the unwanted attention on ML. Before this no one, other than few close people, even knew he had feelings for ML and so no one could have threatened her life or used her as a threat against him. His helping her actually put her life in danger.

GTY, too helps ML as we saw in recent episodes. But he does it in a way that it doesn't attract attention on ML. Yes, it may also be coz he has a bad rep. in the society....but I still think he would never be so free with his actions as to not care about the consequences for an unmarried girl. He knows his help would only bring questions about his intentions. The society would pay attention to his goodwill...and make the girl fodder for gossip. So he chooses to help in a round about way. Just look at how he helped Yanran. He could have simply won the hair pin and presented it to her. Maybe earn a few points before he sent his proposal....but he let ML win it. Helping ML go home safely, escorting her in secret....so that no one unwanted attention come on her.....and no questions on her virtue.   

The drama has actually leveled the playing field in terms of main lead and second lead by giving them equal narrative space and development. If the drama had followed book's pattern...we'd be getting introduced to GTY character properly right about now. And QH would not be getting any screen time after epi 20 coz he kind of disappeared after ML rejected him. 

Yes this drama pronounced GTY's goodness. Coz they need to show us his connection to ML early on. And that he is a good person,  So we get more scenes of GTY doing good early on.

 

About changing the lead to QH...well, they could do that. But that will make this story no different from all the others. Girl and boy meet as children ...fall in love.....carry their pure love to adulthood , face objections from boys rich family....stubbornly reject their parents intentions.....and after whole lot of tears we get a happily ever after....that would not be even possible in those days.

I'm really tired of all these childhood sweetheart storylines....modern or historicals.....both have done it to death.

The reason we all watch a drama is to see something special....for me this story is doing that very well.  

 

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1 hour ago, thelonetraveller_18 said:

I have watched ep 28 and I think there is simply no more options for QH family. QH just have no options left.

 

I felt that if we view the matter from a political perspective, QH family was simply too weak to fight against the other party. Like what QH's mother said, other than their family, the entire Qi family was in ruins. QH father did not hold any actual position for power. QH family may seemed as prosperous with close links to the Emperor, but I think their family in actual had no real power in the political landscape.  I actually sympathized with Qh's mother , doing all she could to sustain and keep her family intact. QH had failed to see the harsh reality that his family was in. Besides I think GTY made the right comparison that QH was Ming Huang. I do not believe that QH will actually sacrifice his family honor for ML.  

 

In addition, Yong Wang is seemed as the prospective Emperor, and if QH had refused to marry the princess, it would deemed as undermining the power of prospective emperor and I believed they would go all out to harm QH father for the sake of optics. Especially when the backdrop of the situation was that the current emperor have no direct heirs and he's selecting the heir. All the more his Yong wang will ensure that the princess gets to marry QH. It is actually a show of his actual power.  By marrying Qh whom's family appeared to be close to the current emperor,  all the more Yong Wang is showing to the whole country that he is the heir apparent to the throne. To conclude,  the princess, ML, QH are all sacrificial items in this political fight. It is a tragedy for QH and I guess a call for him to look at the harsh reality for he has been sheltered all his life. 

I agree. I think the mother should not have shielded QHY too much and prepared and trusted her son to be able view and accept the harsh realities of their family situation. Maybe he would not have promised ML to make her his first wife. Now he is shocked into reality painfully. He not only lost ML, but his man servant who is like his brother who has been with him since childhood and marry the princess for the sake of his family. I think breaking off of first love or unrequited first loves are painful. I am afraid if his family bet on the wrong horse  what will happen to them. 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, dito said:

About changing the lead to QH...well, they could do that. But that will make this story no different from all the others. Girl and boy meet as children ...fall in love.....carry their pure love to adulthood , face objections from boys rich family....stubbornly reject their parents intentions.....and after whole lot of tears we get a happily ever after....that would not be even possible in those days.

I'm really tired of all these childhood sweetheart storylines....modern or historicals.....both have done it to death.

The reason we all watch a drama is to see something special....for me this story is doing that very well.  

 

Sorry I had to cut your post. This is just too hilarious! 

Because that was exactly what I was thinking when QH shows his affection for ML. 

Rich privileged boy, with poor (lower status) girl. If they get together, this will be like typical kdrama! Fought the odds, a bucket of tears, and then finally they get together. Or if they make it a bad ending, one of them ends up dying from some sickness, and the other mourn for his loved one ever after. :lol:

 

And I was thinking so for once it's more realistic whereby they show the impossible, and why it's not practical, and the grow from the experience, and move on! 

 

So your post just hit the jackpot to me! :lol:

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2 hours ago, UnniSarah said:

Omg Chingu's  , ( by the way how do u say friends in chinese????   I found this  CLIP it is so amazingggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg  I am dying to see this  PLease check it ouuuuuuuuuu  LOL LOL 

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His smile is just so beautiful he seems so in love ;p 

 

 

2 hours ago, leeza77 said:

About the polo match i agree with you. Actually molan's mother in law to be wanted to play with ML but QH volunteered. So, there is no issue of someone was not helping ML. 

Regarding gty suitability, he has what it takes to win ML and he was caring and generous enough to offer to help QH to be to be with ML. Alas, as it was pointed out by our fellow soompier, he has too many on his plate at that time and lost the opportunity. That lost chance will be his forever regret for the lifetime. 

As much as i like QH helping ML at polo would have loved to see the mother in law help QH two bad richard simmons female's winning xd 

 

2 hours ago, tomo74 said:

I understood your opinion, I'll have to say, the script (story, book or drama) make QH like this and GTY like that, because we are watching drama, people made the story (it might be different if this is in a real world, real people, no one knows the future) and only in drama we know the end story that QH is not suitable for ML, because the script choose GTY for ML, if they chose QH, they can easily changed his story eg: his mother finally chose her son's happiness over family security, GTY got kill during war (since he's in army), etc 

And if QH didn't help ML and no one will judge him?, in previous comment, many people call him sissy, no backbone, etc, I believe, people will judge him eventually.

And when he said, I played for you, it's understandable since he's trying to win her heart, he made sure that ML knows his intention, it's because of her not YR

 

 

I dont think anyone would have really called him out for not doing the polo when someone was about to help ML , people are saying he has no backbone for other reasons. 

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1 hour ago, cheekychipmunk_stv said:

 

QH is such a sad character in the story. He was never his own man. He is owned by his mom and family and later his wife. His life was always run by people. His only 1 happiness in life is ML and his man servant. Both taken from him cruelly by his mom and his scheming wife family. 

 

I guess by marrying his grandson with ML granddaughter is his way of fulfilling his un-fulfilled life time wish to marry ML.

 

I just want to say hes never owned by his wife from whats been spoiled here. 

1 hour ago, gleek49 said:

 

People call QH out on him having no backbone is from his way of dealing with his parents disapproval, not because of him helping her in the polo match or not. If he didn't help her there, the audience would have understood that he was being considerate of her reputation, not calling him a sissy. No one was asking him for help, Madam Wu was going to help her anyway, he's the one who insisted on helping while she refused. I'm not trying to find fault on him here, but I think his action in the polo match was a bit short-sighted. He was not doing anything horrible, only focusing on being her knight in shining armor, trying to show her his affection; but he obviously didn't think far enough on the consequences, how his public display of affection could hurt her. Sure, he couldn't have predicted the crazy Yong Wang family, but he should've at least knew playing polo closely with a outside male would hurt her reputation, make people notice their relationship and anger his mom.

 

Exactly everything you said is 100% what i think. 

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18 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Sorry I had to cut your post. This is just too hilarious! 

Because that was exactly what I was thinking when QH shows his affection for ML. 

Rich privileged boy, with poor (lower status) girl. If they get together, this will be like typical kdrama! Fought the odds, a bucket of tears, and then finally they get together. Or if they make it a bad ending, one of them ends up dying from some sickness, and the other mourn for his loved one ever after. :lol:

 

And I was thinking so for once it's more realistic whereby they show the impossible, and why it's not practical, and the grow from the experience, and move on! 

 

So your post just hit the jackpot to me! :lol:

 

Exactly. Just once I'd like to see main leads realize they made a mistake after the happily ever after haze dissipates. Kdramas are the biggest culprit for perpetuating this crap trope of childhood sweethearts are soul mates. And chinese dramas seem to have taken over the rich boy poor girl trope. 

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1 hour ago, Golden Flower said:

 

 

I’m referring to script inconsistencies from scene to scene as well as a few scenes with overall theme in regarding to potraying those basic societal norms since they are groundwork of this family drama. 
First eg, I was comfused on why GTY was so angry and accusing ML for destroying his marriage with Yanran (YR) at the desert store since he wasn't supposed to know it was ML who had confrontation with Maniang on behalf of YR. So, how did GTY find out??? MN did not know ML's name or she wasn't from Yu family and MN would not tell GTY that she went to Yu's house. Before that scene, there was a scene where ML was reprimanded verbally by grandma for confronting MN on behalf of YR as granny was worried that her reputation will be ruined as it will be seen as improper conduct for unmarried shu daughter like ML. ML told GM that she dared to confront MN as nobody will know she was the one who had face-off with MN as Yu family would have kept MN's visit as secret (which they did by not mentioning even having marriage proposal from GTY for YR), YR and her grandparents are moving back to their hometown and MN didn't know who she was. 
Woman's reputation, conducts and virtues were one of the main focus of the story, emphasizing that they effect not only her but also her sisters and her maternal family. ML, grandma and Kong Momo have been shown talking about the importance of these conducts a few times. So, why did drama show that GTY know it was ML who prevented his marriage and how did he even manage to find out when Yu family and ML have been deligent in hiding that fact??? To me, this whole scene is out of place. 
 
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In the book, GTY did not know ML’s involvement, he was angry at YR’s grandfather for denying his marriage proposal by saying he forgot about YR’s former verbal proposal from his friend’s grandson. He was just asking ML what was the issue since she is close friend of YR. Then, ML told him about MN’s visit to Yu’s house and YR’s grandfather throwing up blood because of that. 

I know the later part of this scene where GTY and ML cat fight was some of your favorite scene. 

Another eg is the differences in status of woman (main wife, concubine, di vs shu daughters) in this society as one of the main foundations of story. 

(1) the drama let ML manages the house when she gained her own courtyard. 

This act is opposing from main foundation of story which is differences in woman's status. The chance of shu daughter managing government official household in the capital is none in that time period. If it is possible for shu daughter to have this status, why is the drama and book making a big deal about ML needing to be reserved and cautious in nature since she is shu daughter, QH's mom and other characters in drama looking down on her because she is shu born and she can't be with QH because she was shu born. In the book, she just gained her own courtyard and showed her ability to dispose spies from LYN and WS with the help of their own hands like in the drama. Basically, she does not need to be managing the house by herself in order to show her smarts, her growth and her having hands-on experience in managing household to be realistic for her managing General’s house and Marquess Gu house later. They could have made ML helping grandmom or WS. 

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 (2) the conflict in Sheng’s house aroused from SH favoring LYN over main wife. Even a lot of posters are saying how annoying it is for father SH to continually favor Lin Yinaing even after he was told by grandma not to favor her anymore after the death of ML’s mom as it can effect family reputation as well as his reputation as official (as well as after Kong Momo reminded him of the importance of concubine knowing her place and its negative effect on family structure and reputation). They could have shown SH less favoring LYN like in the book or tone it down since it is impossible to be favoring concubine over the main wife in the capital  being governmental official. 

In the book, SH did favors a lot less to Lin Yiniang after listening to grandmom words when ML’s mom died and Kong Momo’s reminder of effecting his officialdom for favoring concubine over main wife, he became more respectful to big madam (WS), and reprimands LYN greatly when she cause ruckus or did not know her place. He even removed Molan from her courtyard and let her move into WS’s courtyard when he realized that Molan conducts becoming improper under her guidance (forgot exact cause). Unlike in the drama, he did not let the girls go back to Master Zhaung’s class at all even after LYN begged him many times. He was really pissed at LYN and even slapped her when she persuades him to talk to Duke Qi family for Molan’s marriage continuously even after he told her it is improper.  In the drama, he was still going to her room even after she committed a big crime of selling properties.    

 

 

 

I just take it as YU family told him before they left or GTY working out that ML was there and connecting the dot's, i personally like the changes around this situation and of course he never knew in the book because they added alot of GTY scene's for the show which is alot better. 

 

I think you are looking at this show a bit to seriously it is a drama not everything needs to be correct exactly to how richard simmons was back then , these characters are fictional as well. 


Also dont get what your trying to say here maybe im the only one. 

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11 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

Ling gege? what you on about here ;p

Ling gege is one of the male leads character from Tong Hua’s popular novel and drama Yun Zong Ge. I used him as example for someone who used mother’s last name and his first name (Zhao Ling) as he is one of the most popular male characters to explain why GTY using Bai Ye (Bai his mom’s last name Ye his first name) to hide his real identity in my first post. 

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23 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Sorry I had to cut your post. This is just too hilarious! 

Because that was exactly what I was thinking when QH shows his affection for ML. 

Rich privileged boy, with poor (lower status) girl. If they get together, this will be like typical kdrama! Fought the odds, a bucket of tears, and then finally they get together. Or if they make it a bad ending, one of them ends up dying from some sickness, and the other mourn for his loved one ever after. :lol:

 

And I was thinking so for once it's more realistic whereby they show the impossible, and why it's not practical, and the grow from the experience, and move on! 

 

So your post just hit the jackpot to me! :lol:

 

I like those rich guy poor girl story's .. please xd 

2 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

Ling gege is one of the male leads character from Tong Hua’s popular novel and drama Yun Zong Ge. I used him as example for someone who used mother’s last name and his first name (Zhao Ling) as he is one of the most popular male characters to explain why GTY using Bai Ye (Bai his mom’s last name Ye his first name) to hide his real identity in my first post. 

 

Thanks 

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5 hours ago, nrbrown said:

Quick question in regards to episodes 24/25. Why was the registration deed of the prositute so important? I have some ideas, but I’m a little bit muddled in that section. Thanks 

@nrbrownDon't know if someone answered your question already but the registration for the prostitute is the leverage that the Sheng family have to make the pretentious, drunkard jerk of a husband and his family to agree to an amicable separation. As the main wife, Shulan would have to approve any concubine brought by husband to the house. Shulan would not approve of rhe prostitute but the idiot husband wants the prostitute since she has a child and he looks down on Shulan. Since the husband thinks of himself as a higher status because he passed the scholar exam and aspires to be one the Sheng family forced that lowlife husband and family to agree because if they don't they will go to the magistrate and sue them with the proof of the prostitute registration and ruin the husbands "status" and reputation. That is why they agreed. 

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I agree if QH become the lead, I won't be in this thread, because I won't watching this drama since I don't like that type of Cinderella story. "GTY is the lead so the favour is on him", I don't know why it become changing the lead, maybe I don't use the correct word to describe it.

About QH helped ML at polo match, I agree, he didn't think before jumped in, that is his character at that time, I guess, he just want to help (without thinking the consequences). He just want to show to ML that he always be there for her (this is just my interpretation and try to put myself in QH's shoes).

And about people will call him sissy, my apologies, I just wrote what I think it might happen (if ML lost and it made her very sad, I imagine people will say like, QH can/should help her) I shouldn't put word in other people's mouth, my bad.

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I have truly enjoyed the journey of this series so far. Because it isn't just unicorns, cotton candies and ice-cream. 

 

From 1st impression,

QH is actually the perfect fit-the-mold male lead. Good looking, rich, filial, gentleman, son of the noble. 

GTY, he set a good impression when he was young and helped ML. But after they grow up, he really doesn't fit into a typical hero- rebellious, I can understand since he was unfairly treated by the family etc. But you start the hero with a woman with shady background, and he has 2 children with her??? And everytime the Nanny tells him that Manniang was not a good person, he brushes her off, I want to just yell at him to wake up! 

 

But that's when things got interesting for me.

As I found out later that QH is the 2nd lead that never got his love and ended up regretting for the rest of his life.

 

In this show, everyone needs to learn their own lesson, learn to navigate their own fate. 

They make mistakes, and they pay the price. 

Each one probably has somethings they regret, one way or another.

 

ML had her lesson really early in life. Probably ruined her childhood. I do wonder if she has ever felt that if only she didn't complain to the dad about the bullying and condition, Xiaodi (I think thats her name) would not be kicked out of the house, and could she possibly have found a doc sooner and the mom wouldn't die? 

If only she had move faster and got the doc earlier, could the mom have made it? 

If only...

 

GTY also had a reasonably challenged household, which explains his rebellious behaviour. And then the father died, the stepmom suddenly turned against him, and Manniang's true form, he had it tough. And I felt he did regret not staying by his dad right before his passing...

 

But then they move on. They learn, they grow..if they were wronged, they bid their time, gather their thoughts, strategize, and have their revenge. 

 

Fortunately (or unfortunately) for QH, he was sheltered from all these until now. That's of no fault of his, just his circumstances were different. While ML and GTY both understand they are in battlefield everyday, QH lives in an ideal world where everything simply works for him. 

I've not commented that QH has no backbone, but I do think he lack his own convictions, belief and principles. He commented during the debate that ML has no answer because she's not taking the imperial exam and hence need not consider them. But he knows he's taking the exam, yet he too didn't have much of an opinion on it? When he approached ML alone, and she tells him the consequences of things could someone sees them, he could confidently tell her that he'll just marry her and solve everything, when he could proudly tell ML he sent her maid away to meet her, alone..when he decided to play polo with her despite her objections...he simply appeared to me as a person too idealistic and has no idea how their world works. When ML (in the temple) and GTY (during the debate) tried to explain to him the complexities of things, and the intricacies of it all, he heard, but it didn't seem like he listened. 

"Lessons in life will be repeated until they are learned". And everytime it repeats itself, it gets harder. More is at stake, consequences more severe. And that's where QH is heading. He will learn, in a very hard way, that life doesn't always go the way he wants. 

 

ML lost her mum (and bro) at a very young age, never had much love from the dad. The stepmom probably wants her dead too. 

GTY lost his mom, and his dad, stepmom was a fake, the woman he fought so hard to protect was deceiving him.

They both grow from the experience. 

 

QH loses his love. And his servant.

Question is, does he learn and grow from it? Or does he get stuck with his regrets and not move on? 

He's a character that has a lot of potential for growth, and while each and everyone lives with some regrets in life, I hope that doesn't dictate his life. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

I like those rich guy poor girl story's .. please xd 

 

Thanks 

Hahahahahaha. :lol:

My bad. My apologies. :rolleyes::lol:

It was nice for a while...every girl's dream to marry the prince....until marrying the prince just got boring...

Was sick of shows with the rich perfect guy always saving the day and the damsel in distress. Why can't the woman save herself?

And that's why I adore ML. :sweatingbullets::wub:

 

When QH said he'll protect her, I just wanted to say "that's nice, but I think she is capable of protecting herself!!":D

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1 hour ago, m0us3y said:

Hahahahahaha. :lol:

My bad. My apologies. :rolleyes::lol:

It was nice for a while...every girl's dream to marry the prince....until marrying the prince just got boring...

Was sick of shows with the rich perfect guy always saving the day and the damsel in distress. Why can't the woman save herself?

And that's why I adore ML. :sweatingbullets::wub:

 

When QH said he'll protect her, I just wanted to say "that's nice, but I think she is capable of protecting herself!!":D

And then there's GTY, the hero who wants to save or helpe everyone in distress, ML, her grandma, her friend and even the general and his son and now he wants to help QH :lol:..that's y he ended up with ML, her prince in shining armor.

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4 minutes ago, jewelsc said:

And then there's GTY, the hero who wants to save or helpe everyone in distress, ML, her grandma, her friend and even the general and his son and now he wants to help QH :lol:..that's y he ended up with ML, her prince in shining armor.

I know right! :lol:

ML must be some sort of bandit magnet or something?! :wacko:

4 bandit attacks in 3 episodes!! (Including her 1v1 with the fatty, which was more hilarious, and  the attack that she never had) Show is surely out to create opportunities for GTY to save her! 

 

I do prefer that he protects her in secret tho, and not declaring to her and expect returns. 

Especially funny that he shot the lantern and it seemed like she did it, frightening the bandit to run. :lol:

 

I think at some point ML will save him back. She can protect him, and the others around her too!! 

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