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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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All caught up with yesterdays and todays epis....

All I have to say about QH is..... Granny was absolutely right. If you lead too good a life you end up being blind and deaf. This apparently applies to guys too. I was shaking my head all through the scene when he was buttering up his mom. I could also see his mom's disappointment when she realized why he was being so loving. You don't bribe your mother for stuff like that..you ask sincerely. The buttering up may have actually made her more angry. He not only put ML but her granny in a very humiliating situation. Even though nothing was said....Granny was made to feel shame.....look at her reaction when ML told her they were coming . This ignorant boy had put this family under a situation which if know outside would ruin ML's name and her families reputation too. 

But what I'm even more upset about is ML is still not giving him the cut clearly. He still has hopes....I was hoping she'd break clear by now....but her behavior is actually leading him on when there's no hope at all....and thats just cruel.

And about GTY.....did he fall already for ML. He listened to her talk for a while and is now going to join the army. 

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1 hour ago, dito said:

All caught up with yesterdays and todays epis....

All I have to say about QH is..... Granny was absolutely right. If you lead too good a life you end up being blind and deaf. This apparently applies to guys too. I was shaking my head all through the scene when he was buttering up his mom. I could also see his mom's disappointment when she realized why he was being so loving. You don't bribe your mother for stuff like that..you ask sincerely. The buttering up may have actually made her more angry. He not only put ML but her granny in a very humiliating situation. Even though nothing was said....Granny was made to feel shame.....look at her reaction when ML told her they were coming . This ignorant boy had put this family under a situation which if know outside would ruin ML's name and her families reputation too. 

But what I'm even more upset about is ML is still not giving him the cut clearly. He still has hopes....I was hoping she'd break clear by now....but her behavior is actually leading him on when there's no hope at all....and thats just cruel.

And about GTY.....did he fall already for ML. He listened to her talk for a while and is now going to join the army. 

I sympathize with QH because of the way he was raised so he was really hurt by his mom’s manipulations.

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He looked like he was going to cry when he placed the pearls in ML’s hand.

. I’m hoping that he’ll have some character growth and awakening because if he doesn’t learn from all this about the societal and political implications of his marriage and what it all means to ML and her family’s well being, it will become an obsessive love and he will never find happiness. And, yes, ML has some fault in it because he’s the type that needs a direct rejection, no feelings spared. After the first couple of times saying “no it’s not possible” in a round about way, she should have been more direct. But, I guess these are the lessons of first love and it’s what makes it a drama. 

 

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Were the bandits just a random group or sent by someone specifically to kill them. I was trying to figure it out from the raw episode where the bandits were talking to the maids before killing them but couldn’t fully grasp it with the subs.

 

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@ForgottenSoulx I wouldn't disagree that he's sheltered. But part of me felt that he's simply too arrogant. The arrogance to believe that he could have anything. 

He has seen, and in fact, shown that he understood that ML is in awkward position with the Sheng Family, which is why he did say that she simply couldn't speak up within the family. 

He also acknowledged that ML is a clever cookie. So when the clever cookie said that there's too big a hurdle and it's too high a mountain to climb, should he not at least figure out what she meant? 

Also didn't GTY told him that he's too idealistic? 

If he had only listened to what others have been trying to tell him. 

 

And I don't necessarily agree that he doesn't know how his mom's operates. 

Everyone could see how everyone is really precarious around the mom, and that includes himself. 

 

We have seen both ML and GTY growing up too quickly, stripped off the luxury of having a problem free childhood. Perhaps it's time for QH to grow up too...

I respect his feelings for ML, but I disagree with his ways of handling the whole situation...unfortunately. 

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Where are you guys watching the episodes in advance because viki is only up to episode 18? Unless it is raw from yt. 

Im kind of disappointed viki uploads the drama in poor video quality despite being a viki pass. >_< There is a subbed version on yt but it’s slower than viki but it’s in 1080hd so you can really see the beauty of the film. 

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27 minutes ago, cherubstomato said:

Where are you guys watching the episodes in advance because viki is only up to episode 18? Unless it is raw from yt. 

Im kind of disappointed viki uploads the drama in poor video quality despite being a viki pass. >_< There is a subbed version on yt but it’s slower than viki but it’s in 1080hd so you can really see the beauty of the film. 

I watch raw on YouTube and the subbed versions on Viki. Viki has up to Ep20 uploaded and Ep19 is already at 90% subbed. They’ve been pretty fast on the subbing on Viki, same day as they receive it. But I think I read in the comments that they get access very late at night on the day it airs so it seems like it’s a day behind the raw on YouTube. It looks like the one I’ve been watching on YouTube is the official YouTube channel for that TV station or has been authorized by them since it’s uploaded a few hours after it airs. I can’t read Chinese so don’t know for sure. Like a FlowingRiver is also on there.  There’s two versions of Minglan, one that is the same as the one on Viki that is available first and then later in the day, the other version (segmented at different point in the drama) is available.

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3 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Pretty good so should end with 10 billion which would not be bad. 

 

Shows cant get over 20 billion now day's it seems due to iQYI not counting, maybe 10 miles of peach blossoms season two can get it. 

 Its bc they changed how they count views so now it is harder for everyone to get that much. I think Yanxi has the highest views this year probably close to 20 billions all on iqiyi.

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5 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

You need to put your self in his shoes if you are so sheltered and never gone through any trouble or denied anything , your mother is "loving" why would you think differently? Its Young Blind Love at first sight where you think everything will go the way you want.

No doubt his mom loves him so much & wanted everything the best for him including a perfect wife yet she is very cunning, very strict & must never offend nor cross her line or else u know wht she can do. Even his father is powerless when his mom makes any decision.

Totally agree with u, young 1st love is blind. 

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His mom is indeed very cunning and very strict. But it is also a lack of communication on their part because they believe to be a filial child you need to do everything your parents tell you. I wonder if his mom ever thought throughtout the years with all the political marriage if he was ever truly happy. It’s not just first love on his part he is a fool in love because even if he said he let her go he is still keeping her in his heart and still in his old age even though she has already found her love and happiness... Since she never reciprocate his feelings it’s as if he was in love with love itself... That’s why it reminded me of yanxi palace when Wei yinglou moved on from fuheng even if the audience believe she still had him in her heart I feel that we are seeing from fuheng point of view that’s why we feel like there is hope when it’s very clear where Wei yinglou stand and who she really has in her heart. It’s the same as Minglan I still believe she feels emphatic towards yuanrou and at scene when granny reminded her not to do anything when he send gifts to the house she already knew and felt ashamed that he grandma had to point out what she already knows.  

Also if I put my shoes in qh I would think that Minglan is playing hard to get. But when I put my shoes in Minglan I believe I have a little attraction towards the first man who showed interest in me but since my heart and brain is connected even if I am confused each time I’m near him I cannot indulge in superficialities.

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I dont think QH would work as a romantic interest. He is just too out of touch with her status. He continuously disregards what she tells him of how dangerous it is. I dont believe she is leading him on bc the reality is pretty clear, he just refuses to accept it and he only causes more trouble for her. He could have been her ruin in so many occasions, but the story was written this way. While he is a good person, he is unrealistic. I feel like his character is the idea of that first love that you never got to know that much so you held them in high regard. I think that works both ways for this relationship both for Minglan and QH. He doesnt really know her and he has an impression of who she is that doesnt necessarily match her and maybe Minglan never really knows him and since the book is written from her perspective we just see the impression that she had of him. 

I do feel bad for him bc his hands are tied but at the same time some of his actions are frustrating.

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I don't think that minglan had done anything to warrant deep impression on qh that minglan want to marry him, except gifting him the kneepad. But after that she avoid him, refuted his claim that she loved and urge him not to seek her again and again. So, it was unwarranted if minglan was accused as leading him on. The last part where minglan received the gift from qh (the doll) was considered a parting gift. Beside they were brother and sister already (qh's mom was very genius). Old ginger was very spicy. 

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@leeza77 When GTY and her were arguing and he ridiculed her for leading QH on and having him like a kite I was angered by GTY. It proves what Minglan told QYH that when it comes down to it, QH in everyone’s eyes would be a romantic man while she will be a tramp! 

Havent watch the parting gift yet but that’ll be a wake up call for QYH. 

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7 minutes ago, cherubstomato said:

@leeza77 When GTY and her were arguing and he ridiculed her for leading QH on and having him like a kite I was angered by GTY. It proves what Minglan told QYH that when it comes down to it, QH in everyone’s eyes would be a romantic man while she will be a tramp! 

Havent watch the parting gift yet but that’ll be a wake up call for QYH. 

Ep 21 & 22 raw is available on YouTube but won’t be available on Viki until past midnight probably and subbed tomorrow at the rate that the team has been subbing.

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Yes I seen it but just ff really quick. I liked when the drama is subbed on YT like her Princess Agents. Because it’s in high quality video and the subs are much faster. Because viki have many dramas the subbers need to work on. 

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3 hours ago, m0us3y said:

@ForgottenSoulx I wouldn't disagree that he's sheltered. But part of me felt that he's simply too arrogant. The arrogance to believe that he could have anything. 

He has seen, and in fact, shown that he understood that ML is in awkward position with the Sheng Family, which is why he did say that she simply couldn't speak up within the family. 

He also acknowledged that ML is a clever cookie. So when the clever cookie said that there's too big a hurdle and it's too high a mountain to climb, should he not at least figure out what she meant? 

Also didn't GTY told him that he's too idealistic? 

If he had only listened to what others have been trying to tell him. 

 

And I don't necessarily agree that he doesn't know how his mom's operates. 

Everyone could see how everyone is really precarious around the mom, and that includes himself. 

 

We have seen both ML and GTY growing up too quickly, stripped off the luxury of having a problem free childhood. Perhaps it's time for QH to grow up too...

I respect his feelings for ML, but I disagree with his ways of handling the whole situation...unfortunately. 

 

His arrogance comes from his sheltered life style and being the son of a princess sons can be blind to parents evil way's look at GTY and his step mum. He is just to blindly in love and think's his mother will give him what he wants. 

3 hours ago, cherubstomato said:

Where are you guys watching the episodes in advance because viki is only up to episode 18? Unless it is raw from yt. 

Im kind of disappointed viki uploads the drama in poor video quality despite being a viki pass. >_< There is a subbed version on yt but it’s slower than viki but it’s in 1080hd so you can really see the beauty of the film. 

 

yet that is the ver i watch cause it gets rid of chinese subs as well .

 

Pretty sure those are viki subs though.

2 hours ago, mrsyooknit said:

 Its bc they changed how they count views so now it is harder for everyone to get that much. I think Yanxi has the highest views this year probably close to 20 billions all on iqiyi.

 

iQiyi or w/e only reports some drama's right? they reported Yanxi but not other's/ 

 

Its really confusing cause some people say IQIYI or w/e is not counted but they report rating's? Do they only do it for their own shows? 

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1 hour ago, cherubstomato said:

 

For Yanxi she did have him in her heart right until the end it was just not as strong as the emperors love. 

1 hour ago, leeza77 said:

I don't think that minglan had done anything to warrant deep impression on qh that minglan want to marry him, except gifting him the kneepad. But after that she avoid him, refuted his claim that she loved and urge him not to seek her again and again. So, it was unwarranted if minglan was accused as leading him on. The last part where minglan received the gift from qh (the doll) was considered a parting gift. Beside they were brother and sister already (qh's mom was very genius). Old ginger was very spicy. 

 

Actually when he asked if QH was in her heart she did not answer which basically gave QH the go signal. 

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 In regards to GT'Y,  from my understanding he was not disowned by the Gu family after the death of his father. So once the elder brother passed on, he will inherit the title of Marquis, is it correct?  

Did GTY ever take revenge on the stepmother for backstabbing him?

I thought GTY has a lot of $$ from his maternal inheritance.  What happened to the salt biz from his grandfather side?

 

QH & ML are young puppies in love. QH keeps feeding ML hopes even though she knows it us not possible but when one is in love, everything seems possible even though one knows it is not. She has cried and put an end to it, but QH kept declaring his undying love to her and even told her he will ask for her had in marriage again once she is back in town. And that he only wants her as his wife and no one else. I truly believe he sincerely loves her to the end. In his heart, no one can replace her. This is actually very sad. 

ML''s maid is not helping too when she kept saying to ML that QH die die only wants to marry ML and that he will propose to her again. And then say let's believe QH once more - his last chance.

 

I love the acting of QH & ML- excellent portray of emotions through their eyes and body language.  We viewers can see how happy QH is when he saw ML and how happy ML was when she saw him but she has to keep herself in check. When he declared to her that she is the only one in his heart and how he longs for her ... and in his heart and eyes, she is his only wife for life. How both yearn for each other. ML tried hard to reject him and put him off but it's hard when her heart sings for him and when he serenade all those sweet yearns, how can she resist? She was so happy when QH adamantly told her he will send wedding gifts to her house for her again. She tried to hide but she couldn't, she smiled with happiness but quickly squash it down. So we see, no matter how we reject with our mouth, our body language betray us on how we truly feels. 

 

I feel that QH mom will marry him off with some higher rank lady before ML comes back from her trip. We will then see a very despirited QH as he will feel that he had given ML empty promises and us not man of his words. 

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I really like this drama, the story is so realistic that can apply to real life (not a cinderella story when the maid gets the prince easily living in lala land) and the cast is perfect (can't imagine if ZYL swap role with FSF, ZYL suits as a gentle person and FSF as a rough and rebellious one). Daylight and Zhang Kaizhou done a beautiful job ♡

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I note everytime wht QH said to minglan when meeting her, makes minglan in an awkward position knowing she is only a concubine daughther, she cant openly say harsh words to the Young Master lol. Here I felt QH is a bit selfish not respecting & weighing the truth of how minglan position be. Wish he wakes up from his dream & face the reality

 

Just done epi 19... its really sad for GTY... i think his stepmom is also not a good person too, her sweet talk was just a coverage to her evil doing. As for GTY, hope he quickly wake up & be strong to solve & clean up on those bad people who has been creating trouble & staining his name.

 

 

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