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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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6 minutes ago, minoku2209 said:

In epi18..

A discussion by Yanran parents to change the marriage of her sister to Yanhong.. seems father alr interested due to money & profits gaining from GTY, wonder if they follow the novel here.

Anyway i havent watch epi 19-20 yet.

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Episode 18 revealed that gty regarded ml not as a woman but still a little girl (a baby he told her) . That's why their love has not developed at this stage. ML told gty to be careful with manniang as she is not a good woman, but gty attacked her back saying ml also not that good, stringing QH along. 

I love ml-grandma moment where grandma noted ml was so fierced when handling yanran-manniang issue and that will ruin her reputation if the matter was known by the public. Ml was unrepentant because she will do anything for her friend. That's how she is. Grandma concurred and she vowed to protect minglan all her life... So, touching. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, cherubstomato said:

 

Hmmm I wonder because how can her feelings develop when she is a realist and has stopped the idea of them ever becoming one from the get go. Keep in mind that in their time a girl can only give herself to one man let alone choose the man. I think instead of like/crush she instead thinks highly of him/admiration and possible feel regret that his affection is wasted on her. Not saying she is unworthy of a man as him but given their circumstances she cannot reciprocate those feelings and rather avoid conflict and don’t want to be the cause of meaningless fights. And she wants him to know that she will not engage her emotions just on anybody that takes fancy on her either. She will wait for the chosen marriage proposal granted to her. After all her character and nature is still suppressed so I don’t see any aspirations from her aside from surviving the courtyard and being filial to her grandmother. Hopefully later when she marries GTY we can see more about her true nature and her aspirations in life if that is included in the novel.

At episode 17 when Yuanrou swear that his feelings are true and he would make her his main wife is touching but.... He is both naive and an idealist. Because he became a fool in love that believes Minglan has him in his heart he became more rampant in trying to persuade her thinking that Minglan just worries if she cannot be the main wife but he completely misunderstood what she’s trying to tell him... Even when Minglan laid out all the possible circumstances they will face. Not because she has him in her heart but trying to wake him up to reality... Though he will realize later on. Remember he was angered by her when he thinks just because he is good to her and give her gifts she should show some interests and reciprocate some feelings. Instead she turned him down many times. At that point I thought if he likes Minglan or only obsessed with the idea of having someone he cannot have. But he realized her situation and that made him more cautious of his actions thus trying to meet her in secret and any way possible... I commend him for trying so hard and not being like the other young masters in his time but it takes two to tango lol... Since I didn’t read the novel I’ll wait how the events will turn but as of right now I believe her feelings for YR will remain lukewarm while he has unrequited love.

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While the brain wants what it knows is the best for us, the heart wants what the heart wants. 

There are lil doubt that ML is wise beyond her years, but at 15, someone of that calibre and status (and looks!) completely smitten by her, and showing her that kinda affection, it would be more unbelievable for her to not feel a thing. Infatuated or something more. 

Although I don't think there's much more than admiration and infatuation.

 

Having said that, ML has always operate based on her brain and not heart, so she has never said it outright that she doesn't love him (because that would be untrue), but always emphasise on the trouble his affection could bring (the brain talking).

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Episode 18: I love the debate which escalated into an argument between GTY and ML. They made me laugh, but what I enjoyed most is the smile in GTY's face when he turned his back to leave a sputtering ML,  that she won't marry him and rather be somebody or somewhere else. He enjoyed the heated exchange very much. She threw the gauntlet and he happily took it. He loves the prospect of challenging chase. I am looking forward to it. If GTY thought that QH was like a kite for ML, wait till he realizes what ML will do to him. She will fight like a shrew and he will have to exert more effort than a kite to tame and win her. I hope the drama will concentrate on this delightful courtship and no other prospects or wives for GTY. They have too much problems to overcome already. Crossing my fingers 

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6 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

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While the brain wants what it knows is the best for us, the heart wants what the heart wants. 

There are lil doubt that ML is wise beyond her years, but at 15, someone of that calibre and status (and looks!) completely smitten by her, and showing her that kinda affection, it would be more unbelievable for her to not feel a thing. Infatuated or something more. 

Although I don't think there's much more than admiration and infatuation.

 

Having said that, ML has always operate based on her brain and not heart, so she has never said it outright that she doesn't love him (because that would be untrue), but always emphasise on the trouble his affection could bring (the brain talking).

Yes you are correct it has to be her brain to always do the talking and actions because she does not have the luxury to daydream. I love the instances though that she chooses her battles and stands up what she believes like when she helped her friend despite causing trouble on her part. Shows that she has the ability to be emphatic and not just always using her brains. But with YH his love is not something she wants to fight for therefore she doesn’t want to pursue it.

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5 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Noob ques- how to use the spoiler / hide contents tag?

 

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Highlight your text and press the spoiler button. 

 

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7 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Noob ques- how to use the spoiler / hide contents tag?

The little ‘eye’ in the tool bar.

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1 hour ago, cherubstomato said:

 

 

Ill disagree because i think she does have QH in her heart she at least feel's something which is why she always gets flustered around him in my opinion.

 

Think of a ideal world where everything was possible before episode 20 who would she pick? it would be QH.

 

It takes two to tango but ML has not been innocent at all if she just said straight away when he first showed interested that shes not interested there would be no issues, she never flat out denied him. At least not at the start.

 

1 hour ago, leeza77 said:
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I think she liked him too.. But concealed it in her heart. When QH pressed her to admit her feeling to him, she refused. It just a liking or infatuation, but not yet love. 

 

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I think it was love i dont think in life you can only love one person.

 

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

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While the brain wants what it knows is the best for us, the heart wants what the heart wants. 

There are lil doubt that ML is wise beyond her years, but at 15, someone of that calibre and status (and looks!) completely smitten by her, and showing her that kinda affection, it would be more unbelievable for her to not feel a thing. Infatuated or something more. 

Although I don't think there's much more than admiration and infatuation.

 

Having said that, ML has always operate based on her brain and not heart, so she has never said it outright that she doesn't love him (because that would be untrue), but always emphasise on the trouble his affection could bring (the brain talking).

 

Exactly if she listens to her heart then she would have picked QH so easily so i think people who are saying she feels nothing need to look closer ;p.

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46 minutes ago, minoku2209 said:

In epi18..

A discussion by Yanran parents to change the marriage of her sister to Yanhong.. seems father alr interested due to money & profits gaining from GTY, wonder if they follow the novel here.

Anyway i havent watch epi 19-20 yet.

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Hahaha...the elders from Grandma’s generation are hilarious. It was so funny when  Yanran’s grandpa told his son that if the father has the say in marriage, then divorce your wife. 

 

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@ForgottenSoulx

Indeed. But unfortunately in life, there's more than love an being the person we love. In reality, as much as we would like it to be, love does not conquer all. There are always other things to take into consideration. 

And that's why I love this show. It's enough to give us hope, yet realistic enough to keep it real and keep us grounded. 

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What was the conversation between GTY and his father about that GTY cried and got on his knees?

1 minute ago, hot_hot1975 said:

How many episode air per week?

12 eps. 2 eps everyday and 1 ep on Friday and Saturday

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25 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

@ForgottenSoulx

Indeed. But unfortunately in life, there's more than love an being the person we love. In reality, as much as we would like it to be, love does not conquer all. There are always other things to take into consideration. 

And that's why I love this show. It's enough to give us hope, yet realistic enough to keep it real and keep us grounded. 

Precisely it is a slice of life not fantasy wuxia. That is why I don’t feel heartbreak either when the male lead has love interests in the beginning. Otherwise if it were like an Ashes of Love type of drama I would hate it to the core seeing the male lead with other woman. Hahaha 

 

People say that Minglan has feelings for YuanRou that’s fine we all have different interpretation and views of the characters and their situations. However even though he is a great guy I am yet to be convinced that she does have feelings of him. Her being flustered or whatever feels more like she has no more way to refute this young master trying to enamour her lol. After all he is the first male to show interest in her. Just because he is a good catch well there is many more that are and suitable for her as well like the Doctor her grandma is trying to set her up with. Also, in their generation especially Asians it’s not good to be so direct. She have already turned him down politely many times and again at first he got offended when she gave him snacks and told her maid to stop pestering her and so he wanted to get drunk. They barely interact as well there is no room for any possible feelings to blossom in her heart as far as I see. I’ll see later with more episodes and their interactions if she does have some feelings for him. If she did that’s one chapter of her life she will learn to move on from. It was probably love at first sight for him because he knows nothing about her.

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I believe ML do have feelings for QH but she squashes it in her head as soon as she realised she is smiling when she thinks of him. Her heart and brain are in conflicts hence even when she rejects him outwardly yet not firmly because her heart interfere it. If we look at all her confrontations between her and QH, QH knows n feels she has feelings for him. So whenever she rejects him, he got all confused by the signals. He reads her body laguage and her body language says otherwise from her mouth. 

 

ML knows she can never have QH because of his and her status. She doesn't even hope to be his wife and she knows the problems she will faced even in event he managed to marry her as his wife. ML is fighting very hard battle with her heart with her brain. But sometimes we can't control how we feel and our body language betray us.

 

ML will be happy with whomever she marries be it QH or GTY. GTY will challenge her in terms of her wits and spirit. With QH, she will be his queen and his life. He will do everything for her. If we look carefully and we can see why QH falls so hard for ML - ML & his mom are similar.  Both are very strong women in personality and smart. QH & GTY both will turn marshmallows in ML hands. ML will be the master of GTY.

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I think too that she has feelings for QH. It’s a puppy love, tender and sweet. It arose from his admiration mostly. But it is telling that she doesn’t contemplate being with him. She is right, she wants to be the main wife, safe, respects her granny but this means also that her feelings are not so strong to overcome practical considerations. And it fits with her character. At the same time I believe her true love will be gty. Both will learn how to love and what is love, that is much more complicated.

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I also think ML in the drama have somewhat feeling for QH, because even when she’s very careful with her heart, she’s also still a young girl. Not so much with the novel ML who is a time traveller so that her wisedom is far beyond lectures and book reading

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2 hours ago, cherubstomato said:

People say that Minglan has feelings for YuanRou that’s fine we all have different interpretation and views of the characters and their situations. However even though he is a great guy I am yet to be convinced that she does have feelings of him. Her being flustered or whatever feels more like she has no more way to refute this young master trying to enamour her lol. After all he is the first male to show interest in her. Just because he is a good catch well there is many more that are and suitable for her as well like the Doctor her grandma is trying to set her up with. Also, in their generation especially Asians it’s not good to be so direct. She have already turned him down politely many times and again at first he got offended when she gave him snacks and told her maid to stop pestering her and so he wanted to get drunk. They barely interact as well there is no room for any possible feelings to blossom in her heart as far as I see. I’ll see later with more episodes and their interactions if she does have some feelings for him. If she did that’s one chapter of her life she will learn to move on from. It was probably love at first sight for him because he knows nothing about her.

There are 2 incidents which makes me believe that ML indeed has feelings for QH:

- She did see him a knee pads and then secretly pass to him via the basket (looking slightly smitten if I may add); and

- she was distracted in her writing when QH and the bros were taking the exam. And when granny saw through her, and lay it down to her what it means for ML to be with QH, she actually said that she's aware of all these, but its just so hard....and then she teared a lil in granny's arms. 

Based on the 2 scenes above, I think it would be hard to say she has no feelings for him at all. For if so, why the knee pads? Why the heart to heart talk with Grandma on something that's totally fictitious?

 

However, I don't necessarily believe that she's in love with him, as I'm not entirely convinced a 15yo truly understand what love is; and also the fact that I personally think love is a strong word. 

She is attracted to him, but I think it stops there. She clearly isn't attracted or in love enough to get into any trouble with the family for him. 

The feelings she had isn't enough for her to fight for him, or fight for the love. 

The infatuation or puppy love clearly isn't enough for her to stake anything to it. 

 

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Aye I’m postponing watching ep 19 and 20 since the spoilers are so sad, anticipating some spoilers for tonight’s episodes :innocent:

 I need crumbs of sweetness after watching GTY facing agonies 

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