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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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Can someone explain, after hes done with his mistress will he not have any women now? I just saw someone said somewhere else that after this mistress theres going to be his legitimate wife with her affair. Sorry guys pls help a sister out. A sister is confused haha

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9 minutes ago, bulubulu said:

Can someone explain, after hes done with his mistress will he not have any women now? I just saw someone said somewhere else that after this mistress theres going to be his legitimate wife with her affair. Sorry guys pls help a sister out. A sister is confused haha

 

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I think there is a legitimate wife but i think something happens to her , either kicked out or killed so that is how ML becomes the main wife and im pretty sure when ML is the main wife he still has other women but he does not sleep with those.

 

I wouldnt mind if this cheating wife is just not in the show though. 

 

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34 minutes ago, bulubulu said:

Can someone explain, after hes done with his mistress will he not have any women now? I just saw someone said somewhere else that after this mistress theres going to be his legitimate wife with her affair. Sorry guys pls help a sister out. A sister is confused haha

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He’s supposed to marry someone from the Yu family. Since Maniang ruined the match with Yanrun, I think it’s going to be her third sister (the mean one in red from the polo match). Haven’t watched ep 18 yet but it looks like the Yu grandparents and Yanrun says no due to Maniang’s little act, but the parents are going to replace her with the sister because they know GTY’s older brother will eventually die and he’s next in line for the title. At least that’s my guess from my limited mandarin since the subs aren’t done yet for ep 18. He’s only marrying because he needs a wife due to the kids. They don’t get along and while he’s away, she cheats on him with his cousin and gets pregnant. In the novel spoilers site, she was caught by stepmom and Maniang tricked her into taking abortion medicine. First wife dies from bleeding because of miscarriage. Don’t know how they’re going to do it in the drama though since in the novel, the first wife was from another branch of Yu family and not main line like in the drama.

 

Pretty much stepmom and Maniang are the worst when it comes to messing with GTY’s life. But it stepmom didn’t find out about the affair, the First wife would have gotten away with tricking GTY about the baby though she didn’t deserve to die like that.

 

Marriage to ML is later after he’s become a general. GTY can’t really catch a break with his personal life until ML.

 

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16 hours ago, gleek49 said:

 

Also, speaking of Qi Heng in the drama, there is something bothering me. All of his effort to pursuit Ming Lan was very cute and sweet, but I just keep thinking, that she told him it would be hard to be together, he's aware of that fact, but does he have any plan at all? Like any strategy to convince his parents and such? Right now, I feel like he should be more prepared to take on obstacles if he wants to marry her for real.

It bothered me that they made QH’s character so sheltered and naive that ML had to spell it out for him in ep17 about the differences in consequences for men and women if they were seen alone together. This really shows me that he hasn’t really thought things through except if they get caught, he’ll do everything to bring her into his family...but I don’t think he realizes that his parents would never allow her to be the main wife since they need that position for a bride that will add to their power and prestige. 

 

I also think it’s funny and contradicting that after her little talk with QH, ML didn’t pay any mind to propriety when she was arguing in public with GTY. Really starting to see the contrast in her behavior with the two leads now. GTY can really provoke her.

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16 hours ago, gleek49 said:

Yeah, I'm the one who called him the "wet blanket", wow, I didn't think it would bother everyone so much :sweatingbullets:

 

Generally, I don't hate him, I'm just not feeling his character much. Like someone said before I think he's sweet, but he lacks backbone, which is understandable since his life has been quite easy growing up, he just simply didn't have enough training to rebel "effectively" like GTY. I do believe that he loves her a lot, till the day he dies, but it doesn't change the fact that I think he didn't try hard enough. It will be different in the drama though, since the drama put so much more effort in his character than in the book, they won't let him give up that easily.

 

What really bothers me was the fact that he named his children after Ming Lan, honestly, at that point, I stopped feeling bad for him and moved on to feeling bad for his actual wife, the actual mother of the twin. Having to live with the knowledge that her children were named after her husband first love? Yikes.

 

Also, speaking of Qi Heng in the drama, there is something bothering me. All of his effort to pursuit Ming Lan was very cute and sweet, but I just keep thinking, that she told him it would be hard to be together, he's aware of that fact, but does he have any plan at all? Like any strategy to convince his parents and such? Right now, I feel like he should be more prepared to take on obstacles if he wants to marry her for real.

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This is actually a misunderstanding (explained in the book). Al the kids in his children' generation in Qi family have the word Ming in their name as a family tradition, but ML doesn't know that so she thinks QH names them after her. All of his wives are from arranged marriages, and he treats them the best he could as a husband, he just doesn't love them.

As for to decide if he has tried hard enough, as long as he doesn't get the girl in the end, it means that he hasn't tried every ways possible, but I guess if he had that would be out of character.

One thing I don't like about GTY is how he get ML. He basically tricks and forces the Sheng family to marry her off to him. I understand that bc of his past, he would never get a yes from grandma so he has to go around a bit, but he also keeps it from ML. If he thinks he is a better spouse for ML, why not explain it to her? He knows that ML is a smart, realistic girl so she would have understood. He has many chances along the way to talk to her, but he waits until everything is set and she finds out herself. He never gives her a choice. It may sounds romantic in the book, but in reality this is an act of selfishness and disrespect. He literary pushes his opinion onto her without hearing her voice. Maybe bc he knows the kind of life in his family is not the kind that she wants and she would have refused, so he just goes on with his plan and never give her a chance to decline. And in fact after they got married ML is faced with many dangers, in many situations he is actually helpless in protecting her, she would have died several times if she made just one wrong move, something that would never happened if she were to marry off into the He family (the one her grandma picks for her). They got a happy ending at last (bless them, I got a heart attack several times along the way, but I still don't like his way of doing things. I was so pissed at him a lot of times (doesn't mean I support ML with QH though. It's hard to say who is a better match, but with her ability, she will still be fine married to either of them)

 

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5 hours ago, leeza77 said:

The four blind menB)

 

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Prove that the higher men think of themselves, the more easily they are played by women. Learn a lesson guys, women' tears are the greatest weapon of all time.

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1 hour ago, hello210 said:

It bothered me that they made QH’s character so sheltered and naive that ML had to spell it out for him in ep17 about the differences in consequences for men and women if they were seen alone together. This really shows me that he hasn’t really thought things through except if they get caught, he’ll do everything to bring her into his family...but I don’t think he realizes that his parents would never allow her to be the main wife since they need that position for a bride that will add to their power and prestige. 

 

I also think it’s funny and contradicting that after her little talk with QH, ML didn’t pay any mind to propriety when she was arguing in public with GTY. Really starting to see the contrast in her behavior with the two leads now. GTY can really provoke her.

 

GTY has a worse rep so arguing with him would not mean as much as with QH so i understand that. 

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3 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

GTY has a worse rep so arguing with him would not mean as much as with QH so i understand that. 

Besides, GTY is Ershu, 2nd uncle. It means he is like a distant relative from and older generation (although he is not that old), so at the time she is considering him an elder, she doesn't have to care that much about the man-woman boundary. More, GTY is not the one everyone is going after (no women want to marry him), so it's less dangerous to talk to him. She avoids QH bc he brings trouble, not bc she doesn't want to talk to him.

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3 hours ago, bulubulu said:

What happened? I read somewhere his son is gone

I saw in the trailer that when Man Niang was discovered by GTY for her deceitful and threacherous ways (he confronted her), she left taking the son with her but leaving their daughter with him.

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1 hour ago, linhlinh111 said:
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This is actually a misunderstanding (explained in the book). Al the kids in his children' generation in Qi family have the word Ming in their name as a family tradition, but ML doesn't know that so she thinks QH names them after her. All of his wives are from arranged marriages, and he treats them the best he could as a husband, he just doesn't love them.

As for to decide if he has tried hard enough, as long as he doesn't get the girl in the end, it means that he hasn't tried every ways possible, but I guess if he had that would be out of character.

One thing I don't like about GTY is how he get ML. He basically tricks and forces the Sheng family to marry her off to him. I understand that bc of his past, he would never get a yes from grandma so he has to go around a bit, but he also keeps it from ML. If he thinks he is a better spouse for ML, why not explain it to her? He knows that ML is a smart, realistic girl so she would have understood. He has many chances along the way to talk to her, but he waits until everything is set and she finds out herself. He never gives her a choice. It may sounds romantic in the book, but in reality this is an act of selfishness and disrespect. He literary pushes his opinion onto her without hearing her voice. Maybe bc he knows the kind of life in his family is not the kind that she wants and she would have refused, so he just goes on with his plan and never give her a chance to decline. And in fact after they got married ML is faced with many dangers, in many situations he is actually helpless in protecting her, she would have died several times if she made just one wrong move, something that would never happened if she were to marry off into the He family (the one her grandma picks for her). They got a happy ending at last (bless them, I got a heart attack several times along the way, but I still don't like his way of doing things. I was so pissed at him a lot of times (doesn't mean I support ML with QH though. It's hard to say who is a better match, but with her ability, she will still be fine married to either of them)

 

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I think the only reason why He Doctor would have been safer was because she would have had the support of elders in his family. I think she still would have had problems with his lover/cousin whatever she is. Things just wouldn’t be as crazy as it would be with GTY or QH. From the previews/trailers, the part about asking for Rulan’s hand first does happen but from the snippets here and there, it seems like they will actually have GTY and ML talk about it, maybe come to an understanding before they get married. They did change it to where if the novel spoilers I read are correct, GTY and ML have a lot more chance encounters and interactions before they get married than what’s written in the novel. Especially because they introduced GTY into the drama earlier than in the novel. 

 

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4 hours ago, bulubulu said:

What happened? I read somewhere his son is gone

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His father died. Her caring stepmother showed her true colour accusing him of being the reason of his death. Then, he discovered manniang true face. 

 

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6 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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His father died. Her caring stepmother showed her true colour accusing him of being the reason of his death. Then, he discovered manniang true face. 

 

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So they changed when his father died? 

 

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3 minutes ago, hello210 said:
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So they changed when his father died? 

 

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For the stepmom, no need to pretend anymore. Whilst for manniang, the nanny discovered her pretension, told gty and he confronted her. 

 

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Glad the ratings are climbing, I hope it will get higher, but I think Like a flowing river is too strong of a competition

 

I cant wait for GTY to return from the army with glory and make everyone from his wretched family choke

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Granny, Ming Lan and the Strategems of War:

I just want to comment on Ming Lan's demeanor. There are those who think that Ming Lan was trained by grandma to be humble and quiet in fear of attracting attention, jealousy and suffering and needs protection which I think is an erroneous interpretation of ML's character and granny's intentions. Granny has been there, done that many times over, she is a seasoned general in the war of life, educated, served in the palace and wisened. So what she is teaching Ming Lan are strategies on how to live with strength, tact and wisdom instead of being fearful and cowering. I can't remember which episode it was that grandma and Ming Lan discussed one of the strategies #2 in the list of strategies from the Strategems of War: where grandma was teaching and asking Ming Lan if she understood her method of resolving a family issue and Ming Lan after a pause, smiled and said "Besiege Wèi to rescue Zhào"When the enemy is too strong to be attacked directly, then attack something he holds dear. Thinking about it The number one strategy is what grandma taught her while she was a child growing up and the most misunderstood by the other characters and some viewers as "fear based" is: # 1: "Cross the sea without the emperor's knowledge."  Mask your real goals, by using the ruse of a fake goal, until the real goal is achieved. Tactically, this is known as an 'open feint': in front of everyone, you point west, when your goal is actually in the east. The other characters thinks of her as "poor orphan, defenseless, unprotected, weak and easy target" which granny wanted them to think until her prized student ML was ready. So, looking over at these strategies which were devised for war but also usable in daily life, I see ML learning to be a strong, intelligent and proactive girl turned woman armed with lessons inculcated by grandma. Her quiet and calm attitude are actually marks of strength. She is like a diamond in the rough, where everytime she suffers, she is polished to shine a bit more, to be stronger and wiser. Like granny and momo whose minds have been polished to shine. Any way you can find the strategies on line and it would be fun to compare what strategy Ming Lan is using

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-Six_Stratagems

 

So whichever man she marries whether GTY or QYR, she is armed with capacity, understanding and savvy to live through whatever life with whichever man brings her, she will protect herself and her love ones including her man. Whichever man she marries, there will be times of great stress and suffering which will bring about many times of understanding and passionate loving. It is up to Ming Lan. One day she will be another granny passing on her learning and insights to her children and grandchildren. 

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52 minutes ago, zenya22 said:

Granny, Ming Lan and the Strategems of War:

I just want to comment on Ming Lan's demeanor. There are those who think that Ming Lan was trained by grandma to be humble and quiet in fear of attracting attention, jealousy and suffering and needs protection which I think is an erroneous interpretation of ML's character and granny's intentions. Granny has been there, done that many times over, she is a seasoned general in the war of life, educated, served in the palace and wisened. So what she is teaching Ming Lan are strategies on how to live with strength, tact and wisdom instead of being fearful and cowering. I can't remember which episode it was that grandma and Ming Lan discussed one of the strategies #2 in the list of strategies from the Strategems of War: where grandma was teaching and asking Ming Lan if she understood her method of resolving a family issue and Ming Lan after a pause, smiled and said "Besiege Wèi to rescue Zhào"When the enemy is too strong to be attacked directly, then attack something he holds dear. Thinking about it The number one strategy is what grandma taught her while she was a child growing up and the most misunderstood by the other characters and some viewers as "fear based" is: # 1: "Cross the sea without the emperor's knowledge."  Mask your real goals, by using the ruse of a fake goal, until the real goal is achieved. Tactically, this is known as an 'open feint': in front of everyone, you point west, when your goal is actually in the east. The other characters thinks of her as "poor orphan, defenseless, unprotected, weak and easy target" which granny wanted them to think until her prized student ML was ready. So, looking over at these strategies which were devised for war but also usable in daily life, I see ML learning to be a strong, intelligent and proactive girl turned woman armed with lessons inculcated by grandma. Her quiet and calm attitude are actually marks of strength. She is like a diamond in the rough, where everytime she suffers, she is polished to shine a bit more, to be stronger and wiser. Like granny and momo whose minds have been polished to shine. Any way you can find the strategies on line and it would be fun to compare what strategy Ming Lan is using

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-Six_Stratagems

 

So whichever man she marries whether GTY or QYR, she is armed with capacity, understanding and savvy to live through whatever life with whichever man brings her, she will protect herself and her love ones including her man. Whichever man she marries, there will be times of great stress and suffering which will bring about many times of understanding and passionate loving. It is up to Ming Lan. One day she will be another granny passing on her learning and insights to her children and grandchildren. 

With her talent and insight, she might be able to live through. But how well. QH will insist to protect her, thus limiting her potential and supressed her true self. Whilst Gty will give her freedom to achieve her full potential, thus lets her soar. 

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1 hour ago, leeza77 said:

With her talent and insight, she might be able to live through. But how well. QH will insist to protect her, thus limiting her potential and supressed her true self. Whilst Gty will give her freedom to achieve her full potential, thus lets her soar. 

Living is going through whichever life gives and learning and rising from it. It does not matter if it is QH or GTY they will also learn from her as she will from them. My point is whatever the situation and whomever it is with she will be able to handle it. It is up to her. If let's say she is with QH who will insist to protect her, situations will come up where she will be able to use the strategems  to make QH understand and so with GTY. That is what Granny is teaching her, to be her own woman. It is not about GTY or QH, it is about ML, how well she lives life is up to her.  

 

We know that in the drama she will end up marrying GTY. But then again it is about how ML manages her life. The Strategems of War teaches strategies of life in any situation encountered. 

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Thanks @zenya22 for the interesting lesson strategems of war. :)

I've never read that so I can't say I'm familiar with it. 

 

But I think it would naive to think that ML is quiet because of fear. 

I feel that she's being quiet and hiding her abilities not because she fears trouble, but she simply do not want to attract unnecessary trouble and have unnecessary fights. 

She's biding her time and learning her way so that when she goes to war, she wins, catching everyone off guard. And not fight and win unnecessary battles, whilst showing everyone her capabilities, and could jeopardize her war when everyone becomes more wary of her. 

 

Also, she may be able to handle both QH and GTY's families, but it is also true that women in that era is more oppressed, with background and status playing a significant role in their lives. 

To go with QH would mean she wants to fight the hierarchy, family, status and of course, QH's very calculative moment, the princess. Being a realist she is, I feel she simply do not want to fight the world for love. 

Also from QH's response during their class debate, it doesn't seem like he understands how hard the battle could get, as he had a relatively conflict-free life to date. 

He may learn from ML, true, but I really do wonder if he will ever truly understand her. 

 

I think we could see ML is already her own, with her own thoughts and understanding on things and her surroundings. Its also clear that she sees things with a lot more clarity than even the men. And that's why she would be able to help whoever she gets together with to achieve greater heights. 

Question is, does she want to fight alongside someone who has no experience in how these battles are fought, or with someone who has been through similar experiences? Or does she want a peaceful quiet, simple life with someone simpler (the doc)?

 

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20 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Thanks @zenya22 for the interesting lesson strategems of war. :)

I've never read that so I can't say I'm familiar with it. 

 

But I think it would naive to think that ML is quiet because of fear. 

I feel that she's being quiet and hiding her abilities not because she fears trouble, but she simply do not want to attract unnecessary trouble and have unnecessary fights. 

She's biding her time and learning her way so that when she goes to war, she wins, catching everyone off guard. And not fight and win unnecessary battles, whilst showing everyone her capabilities, and could jeopardize her war when everyone becomes more wary of her. 

 

Also, she may be able to handle both QH and GTY's families, but it is also true that women in that era is more oppressed, with background and status playing a significant role in their lives. 

To go with QH would mean she wants to fight the hierarchy, family, status and of course, QH's very calculative moment, the princess. Being a realist she is, I feel she simply do not want to fight the world for love. 

Also from QH's response during their class debate, it doesn't seem like he understands how hard the battle could get, as he had a relatively conflict-free life to date. 

He may learn from ML, true, but I really do wonder if he will ever truly understand her. 

 

I think we could see ML is already her own, with her own thoughts and understanding on things and her surroundings. Its also clear that she sees things with a lot more clarity than even the men. And that's why she would be able to help whoever she gets together with to achieve greater heights. 

Question is, does she want to fight alongside someone who has no experience in how these battles are fought, or with someone who has been through similar experiences? Or does she want a peaceful quiet, simple life with someone simpler (the doc)?

 

 

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In the novel she was satisfied with the doc, alas even someone simple as a doc also has his own dilemma. I. e  the dr cousin who was in love with him). Fortunately or (unfortunately) she was caught by gty's manipulation and married him. 

 

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