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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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29 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:

I am assuming she does @ForgottenSoulx after all she gave him something her mother stitched. She gave it to when she was traveling to Deng Prefecture. She handed to him by the boat. Do you remember ? If she doesn’t , she will remember some day. What do you think??

 

ML does remember about GTY’s help. She made the statement in the earlier episodes ( ep 5 ?) about how it’s been so long and GTY has returned from his studies and it’s been so long since her mother died...but she I think she can’t acknowledge that she remembers because Concubine Lin will take action against her to keep what really happened from being revealed...hence all the secret investigation stuff with her Aunt. It’s also why she knew they could turn to GTY for help when the servants were going to hit the court drums. She very sharp with subtlety...like when she told her maid to hang the scroll from Molan next to the scroll from her mother so they’ll never forget. 

 

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1 hour ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Im not sure if she remembers that he helped get the doctor to her mum does she? 

 

Both of them remember, Ming Lan even use that memory to defend him to her friend Yanran and Yanran's grandma in ep 17/18.

 

By the way, I've seen many people wonder why they seem like strangers. Truthfully, I find it weird that everyone seems to expect the two to be close just because he helped her once, but other than that, they are practically stranger, acquaintances at best. Sure, he helped her a big favor that she will remember for life, but (1) she's already thanked him, (2) they haven't met for years, and (3) man and woman in that period need to keep a safe distance from each other. Afaik, they haven't had any interactions after her mother died and before meeting again in Scholar Zhuang's class, so it makes sense that they are not close.

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10 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

Both of them remember, Ming Lan even use that memory to defend him to her friend Yanran and Yanran's grandma in ep 17/18.

 

By the way, I've seen many people wonder why they seem like strangers. Truthfully, I find it weird that everyone seems to expect the two to be close just because he helped her once, but other than that, they are practically stranger, acquaintances at best. Sure, he helped her a big favor that she will remember for life, but (1) she's already thanked him, (2) they haven't met for years, and (3) man and woman in that period need to keep a safe distance from each other. Afaik, they haven't had any interactions after her mother died and before meeting again in Scholar Zhuang's class, so it makes sense that they are not close.

Minglan was not a chatty person even with her own relative (except grandma) , in which changbai admit so to their father. Thus, it was reasonable for her not to be very familiar and chatty with Ershu. She still politely acknowledge him everytime she meet him. They are not stranger yet not a friend. just an acquitance. 

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6 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

Both of them remember, Ming Lan even use that memory to defend him to her friend Yanran and Yanran's grandma in ep 17/18.

 

By the way, I've seen many people wonder why they seem like strangers. Truthfully, I find it weird that everyone seems to expect the two to be close just because he helped her once, but other than that, they are practically stranger, acquaintances at best. Sure, he helped her a big favor that she will remember for life, but (1) she's already thanked him, (2) they haven't met for years, and (3) man and woman in that period need to keep a safe distance from each other. Afaik, they haven't had any interactions after her mother died and before meeting again in Scholar Zhuang's class, so it makes sense that they are not close.

I agree. Other than the fact that GTY and CB remained good friends, easier for them to maintain contact being males, GTY studied elsewhere. It would have been major taboo for them to be close since they’re not even related. Her sisters are already breaking protocol by calling QH Yunruo Gege because they studied together for many years but then those two tend to do what they want. Rulan follows suit to mess with Molan which is awesome.

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36 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

Yeah, I'm the one who called him the "wet blanket", wow, I didn't think it would bother everyone so much :sweatingbullets:

 

Generally, I don't hate him, I'm just not feeling his character much. Like someone said before I think he's sweet, but he lacks backbone, which is understandable since his life has been quite easy growing up, he just simply didn't have enough training to rebel "effectively" like GTY. I do believe that he loves her a lot, till the day he dies, but it doesn't change the fact that I think he didn't try hard enough. It will be different in the drama though, since the drama put so much more effort in his character than in the book, they won't let him give up that easily.

 

What really bothers me was the fact that he named his children after Ming Lan, honestly, at that point, I stopped feeling bad for him and moved on to feeling bad for his actual wife, the actual mother of the twin. Having to live with the knowledge that her children were named after her husband first love? Yikes.

 

Also, speaking of Qi Heng in the drama, there is something bothering me. All of his effort to pursuit Ming Lan was very cute and sweet, but I just keep thinking, that she told him it would be hard to be together, he's aware of that fact, but does he have any plan at all? Like any strategy to convince his parents and such? Right now, I feel like he should be more prepared to take on obstacles if he wants to marry her for real.

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Actually, it was not QH who named the children after Minglan. Minglan misunderstood it. 

 

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12 hours ago, UnniSarah said:

I am assuming she does @ForgottenSoulx after all she gave him something her mother stitched. She gave it to when she was traveling to Deng Prefecture. She handed to him by the boat. Do you remember ? If she doesn’t , she will remember some day. What do you think??

 

 

Yeah i remember that scene but im not sure she re member's the person exactly who she gave it to because im pretty sure he does not remember or does he? They will both remember each other im sure. 

 

11 hours ago, gleek49 said:

 

Im not that bothered at all and you dont have to feel or like him not everyone need's the same opinions or thought's, from whats been said here QH was ready to announce to everyone his love for ML and fight for her but she did not want that. 

 

If ML was ok with it i think he would have rebelled but he didnt because then it would hurt ML and he still would not get her. 

 

11 hours ago, hello210 said:

ML does remember about GTY’s help. She made the statement in the earlier episodes ( ep 5 ?) about how it’s been so long and GTY has returned from his studies and it’s been so long since her mother died...but she I think she can’t acknowledge that she remembers because Concubine Lin will take action against her to keep what really happened from being revealed...hence all the secret investigation stuff with her Aunt. It’s also why she knew they could turn to GTY for help when the servants were going to hit the court drums. She very sharp with subtlety...like when she told her maid to hang the scroll from Molan next to the scroll from her mother so they’ll never forget. 

 

 

Maybe you are right but i dont think GTY remember's her or at least did not at the start maybe he has a clue now. 

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30 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

Minglan was not a chatty person even with her own relative (except grandma) , in which changbai admit so to their father. Thus, it was reasonable for her not to be very familiar and chatty with Ershu. She still politely acknowledge him everytime she meet him. They are not stranger yet not a friend. just an acquitance. 

Hello @leeza77  ..... I am not familiar with names so please bare with me . Lol Who is Ershu????

 

 

 

Hello @ForgottenSoulx  He does remember her, The scene when he returns to the HSeng Household and see QH fanning Ming Lan. He truned to SC and say he would have never recognized her because she is so different. Also he know her life has been quite difficult. At the Polo match he told the lady who was wondering if he lost the game for ML or ML's friend. He commented that HER LIFE IS VERY DIFFICULT. Then he says he We shouldn't let ML's friend cry. 

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44 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

Both of them remember, Ming Lan even use that memory to defend him to her friend Yanran and Yanran's grandma in ep 17/18.

 

By the way, I've seen many people wonder why they seem like strangers. Truthfully, I find it weird that everyone seems to expect the two to be close just because he helped her once, but other than that, they are practically stranger, acquaintances at best. Sure, he helped her a big favor that she will remember for life, but (1) she's already thanked him, (2) they haven't met for years, and (3) man and woman in that period need to keep a safe distance from each other. Afaik, they haven't had any interactions after her mother died and before meeting again in Scholar Zhuang's class, so it makes sense that they are not close.

 

Yeah you are right she remember's but do we see anything that GTY remember's at least before episode 16 i have not done 16 yet ;p 

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2 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:

Hello @leeza77  ..... I am not familiar with names so please bare with me . Lol Who is Ershu????

Minglan called gty ershu.. Means second uncle. 

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episode 16:  I found this so funny. Mama Liang's son flirted with and likes Miss brow bending, poetry reciting, coquetry acting, Molan but Mama Liang dislikes her immensely because Mama favors Miss mallet whacker, polo contest winner, Ming Lan. Mama is loud of whom she dislikes and likes. 

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11 minutes ago, zenya22 said:

episode 16:  I found this so funny. Mama Liang's son flirted with and likes Miss brow bending, poetry reciting, coquetry acting, Molan but Mama Liang dislikes her immensely because Mama favors Miss mallet whacker, polo contest winner, Ming Lan. Mama is loud of whom she dislikes and likes. 

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Well believe it or not, molan succeed. She can give 101 lesson on how to catch a husband. 

 

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40 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Yeah you are right she remember's but do we see anything that GTY remember's at least before episode 16 i have not done 16 yet ;p 

 

He remembers her, too. He doesn't talk about her much, but he sometimes comments about how she had grown since he last saw her (ep6/7), how her life is hard (ep 16) or how she's smarter than she appears (ep 11). They acknowledge each other, they understand each other pretty well (better than most people even), but they are not closely related in any sense, so they have to stay at a state of 'barely speaking term'.

 

Qi Heng keeps trying to directly, privately talk to a maiden like her is breaking all kinds of rules, and it's because he's in love. GTY at the moment has no reason to do that with Ming Lan, he has a whole family to take care of, ML is currently at a very very low priority in his head and vice versa.

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In epi 16, I think Mdm Wu from Liang House looks much better person for mother in law rather than Princess QH's mom, who is so fierce & always think of their nobility status in the society.

 

And what ML's grandma said is fact & so true, cant deny ML will suffer more hardship if she were to be married to QH & his family. What more QH's is an only heir for sure he is a fillal son as well as mom's boy. No matter what, love alone cannot survive in this situation.

 

As for GTY he is alwys tough & reballious must be due to hardship from small as being brought up without a real mother, so this feeling he shared is the same as ML. The only different was in status GTY a legitimate son while ML a concubine daughter.

 

Therefore as far as ML status is concerned in that era, its very hard for her to be married to Young Master. But ofc as story goes by we know GTY succeed in marrying ML. It's not just love but he put an effort & action inorder to win her marrying him.

 

I guess its still a long way with the drama, sure more crisis, interesting & exciting incidents to happen include lovey dovey to come up too. Anyway, have a nice weekend everyone.

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2 hours ago, gleek49 said:

 

He remembers her, too. He doesn't talk about her much, but he sometimes comments about how she had grown since he last saw her (ep6/7), how her life is hard (ep 16) or how she's smarter than she appears (ep 11). They acknowledge each other, they understand each other pretty well (better than most people even), but they are not closely related in any sense, so they have to stay at a state of 'barely speaking term'.

 

Qi Heng keeps trying to directly, privately talk to a maiden like her is breaking all kinds of rules, and it's because he's in love. GTY at the moment has no reason to do that with Ming Lan, he has a whole family to take care of, ML is currently at a very very low priority in his head and vice versa.

I agree. They dont have any reason to talk, they have other issues.

at the same time QH’s way of approaching her shows that he doesnt get her situation and hasnt a plan. GTY will be more subtle and effective.

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Yes It was hilarious how Mama Liang was so upset with her son drooling over Molan.  I love how she simply loves and admires ML. I hope Mdm Liang will put Molan in her place when Molan eventually marries the son by entrapping him. Mdm Liang n her son will not be happy with her for her trick marriage. Mdm Liang is not a silly woman like Da Niang (Ruolan''s mom).

 

ML don't talk much because her mom at her deathbed told her to keep a low profile and be unheard and hide her intelligence.  So ML obeys her mom last wish. This kept ML safe from the wrath of Molan and her mom as well as Ruolan for many years. That's why ML told QH not to give her stuff or talk to her as she knows her sisters will make her life hell if anyone pays attention to her or compliment her.

 

I'm upset with ML father. How can he scold ML and say ML brings shame to family for horse riding. If it was Ruolan who did that race, he would have praised her to no end. So biased.

 

 

 

 

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Yeah. The reaction of the father is absurd. He deserves the other bad children This is why minglan almost never shows her true self. In the book it never happened but i am glad here the polo scene was added.

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8 hours ago, leeza77 said:
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Maybe the ending for QH will be different in the drama. If you love someone, let her be happy even if the person who made her happy is not you. 

 

If you love something let it go. ......

I have not read the book so am keeping an open mind for this drama as I did not want to be disappointed if the changes are too different etc.....so far, I like it and lke it a lot.  I like most of the male casts for their characters.  Even Minglan 3rd brother at times especially when he got bullied by Minglan to help Miss Yu at the polo game. Qiheng is a nice guy but is bound to family tradition so restricted to whom he could and could not marry.  GTY has always been alone from when he was a child so I guess his growing up has always been painful and rough and he has learned to be independent from small just like ML so they are more alike here.  

I think that ML did like QH but she knew that it was not a realistic dream and she too was family bound not to overstep her boundary (he is a Duke's son after all and only son at that so lots of pressure).  Plus she has to be super careful not to get their family name bandied around since her dad is an official. I just hope that they will give some sort of happiness too as he is such a sweet guy.  BTW, I like Changbai too.  He is so funny when he came to ML's house and the maid tried to touch him and he got all flustered....LOL  And he berated that ML will get bullied because she was too nice to her household servants.  I think it was in Episode 17 

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