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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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49 minutes ago, Wotad said:

 

Regarding what Sheng Hong really think's of ML im not sure i just think hes indifferent to her like he does not care about her but does not hate her either , ML as a character is very neutral and does not cause issues so he has no worry's about her and even tried to defend her but he should know by doing that you pin others against her.

 

Im really curious if their father/daughter relationship grows in the drama./ 

@Wotad  Your POV is well welcomed and I see their relationship much better . I do wonder if their relationship relationship will grow in the drama. I guess we will have to wait and see. :) I feel that he doesn’t care for her especially since he went to see Ming Lan first out of all his other other daughter’s . I disliked he went to see her first with his attendant who is a spy for Concubine Lin. His attendant would do anything for money. It is the same attendant who helped CL get rid of ML’s mother servant . Then CL hired some spies to help ML’s mom lose the baby and ended it up losing her life also. 

@leeza77 You are right , ML is indifferent, I forgot that she did say it herself, the little attention/time he gave her was enough. Thanks for reminding me. 

TBH I am looking forward to seeing Concubine Lin lose everything that she worked so hard for. 

 

I asked athat beacause I hate to see a Parent and Child relationship ruined or broken by family members. :tears::tears:

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46 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

He went to see Minglan because Kong Momo had just taught him about being fair, so he realized that he had been neglecting Minglan, he felt guilty so he went to see her first (the moment didn't last very long -.-). He later went to comfort Molan and stayed Concubine Lin's place. The only daughter he didn't see was Rulan. 

 

Despite the drama synopsis stated that Minglan was the least loved daughter, I always think that Rulan is the actual least loved one. Molan had both her parents loved her growing up; Minglan, eventhough tragically lost her mother, had grandma who favored her. Rulan only had her mother, but in the book, it was clear that Big Madam loved her (much smarter) older brother and sister more. Rulan was not as smart as her other siblings, so she didn't know how to please the elders in the house, always angered them, so they didn't like her very much. Even Minglan was favored by Sheng Hong more at some point because she was smart, she knew how to please her father.

 

Also because Rulan was a legitimate child so the elders think that she will be fine just because of her status, both grandma and Sheng Hong spent more time worried about the two other concubine born daughters more. This was evident from the fact that the father and the grandma spent a lot of time pondering on Molan and Minglan's, respectively, marriage prospects. As far as I can remember, they hadn't had the time to care about Rulan's. In the end, Rulan's marriage was ultimately decided by Gu Tingye! (which was very fortunate, because I don't think Big Madam had the ability to select a suitable match for her daughter =)))

 

That's probably why Rulan fell for a poor student so easily, cause he's the first person who liked her for who she is (faults and all) and not for her status as a legitimate daughter of a rich household.

 

Ultimately, I don't blame them entirely for neglecting Rulan, since it's true that she would get by just fine because of her status, and Minglan really did need grandma's protection. I just feel a bit unfair for Rulan as her "status" was the exact reason why she was less loved within the family.

Another good POV , thanks @gleek49.  I think both Ru Lan and Mi Lan were unfortunate. I find it sweet that Mi Lan love Sheng Chang Bai and Sheng Ru Lan. I see Ming Lan tries to help her sister not to argue with Mo Lan because their father always favor her and nothing ever changes. 

Ironically ML's father is always feeling guitly toward ML but it never last.  Thanks for the info on Ru Lan.... :D:heart:  Ru lan is the exact replica of her own mother.  Sheng Chang Bai - - > Isn't he the first born son and second elder of all Sheng's children. 

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Ru Lan's mother isn't so bright at all.  Ru Lan is just as rude and can be mean sometimes because she is so blunt. I think RL's mother did not Fully understand the true meaning  passing the Imperial Exam. Ming Lan had to break it down for both Mother and daughter understand . CMIIW ( correct me if i am wrong) .

 

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4 hours ago, leeza77 said:

Minglan also is indifferent to Sheng Hong. It doesn't matter to her whether he gives attention to her or not as the period when she really needs het fathet has already passed. 

Yeah. I thought it was quite sad when she half answered, half mumbled that it was of no loss that the dad barely spoke to her before he got called by the brother, because the time she needed him to be there has passed. 

It shows how much her dad cared for her all these while. Poor child. :tears:

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GTY failed his exam because his elder brother spread rumours about him and caused the Imperial Exam hall to fail him eventhough he has high marks on his essay.

 

This drama is getting more and more interesting.  I want to see how GTY mistress fare ... Will she remains or she leave GTY? 

I want to see how ML revenge on the concubine. She has set trap on her but how she is going to expose her will be interesting.  After her mom died, she listened to her mom ... not to make herself noticed, hide her intelligence etc. 

 

May I ask how did GTY arrange Rulan marriage?

 

I really hope Molan suffers in her marriage. I don't wish her to marry into a good household. I want her to suffer like Ru Hua. The poor gentle girl suffered under her MIL. 

 

Can't wait to see ep 14

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On TV ratings, Minglan is sitting at no.5 because Like a Flowing River is broadcasting on two channels, 1.2 or 1.1 on one, and 1.0 and 0.9 on another. Minglan's 0.6 opening and holding steady 0.7 is ok since this is still near the beginning. Other dramas that doesn't have promotion or hot searches but do better because they are the kind of dramas that older people watch, yknow, parents and grandparents. Younger generation tend to watch online, and some of Hunan's core audience are in school at the moment.

 

0.7 is okay (but not well) for Hunan in '18, you can't compare it to JoF and PA because TV ratings as a whole have been super down the whole year, even disregarding the genre difference. I think no.1 never broke 1.5 and was around 1.3? Ashes of Love was one of THE hit dramas of the year which would be more comparable to JoF, highest rating was like 1.2. I think Hunan's top drama was Negotiator and it was 1.1? Feel free to correct me on details since this is all from memory.

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57 minutes ago, cheekychipmunk_stv said:

GTY failed his exam because his elder brother spread rumours about him and caused the Imperial Exam hall to fail him eventhough he has high marks on his essay.

 

This drama is getting more and more interesting.  I want to see how GTY mistress fare ... Will she remains or she leave GTY? 

I want to see how ML revenge on the concubine. She has set trap on her but how she is going to expose her will be interesting.  After her mom died, she listened to her mom ... not to make herself noticed, hide her intelligence etc. 

 

May I ask how did GTY arrange Rulan marriage?

 

I really hope Molan suffers in her marriage. I don't wish her to marry into a good household. I want her to suffer like Ru Hua. The poor gentle girl suffered under her MIL. 

 

Can't wait to see ep 14

His elder brother is a nasty piece of work.  GTY should have passed the exam.  He worked hard for it.  I hate his dad.  He used GTY's mum's dowries for his own end.  I am wondering if his current main wife (GTY's stepmum) is not up to something.  I saw in one trailer that GTY managed to exposed his stepmum for being two-faced all this while which broke his heart as he had high regards for her.  I can't wait for more episodes to come neither.  I have been rewatching all episodes while waiting........

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Tonight rating is very good. Increasing every night. Minglan is powerful. Able to shut molan mouth :D.. Ohh and blind date with her suitor. 
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3 hours ago, cheekychipmunk_stv said:

GTY failed his exam because his elder brother spread rumours about him and caused the Imperial Exam hall to fail him eventhough he has high marks on his essay.

 

This drama is getting more and more interesting.  I want to see how GTY mistress fare ... Will she remains or she leave GTY? 

I want to see how ML revenge on the concubine. She has set trap on her but how she is going to expose her will be interesting.  After her mom died, she listened to her mom ... not to make herself noticed, hide her intelligence etc. 

 

May I ask how did GTY arrange Rulan marriage?

 

I really hope Molan suffers in her marriage. I don't wish her to marry into a good household. I want her to suffer like Ru Hua. The poor gentle girl suffered under her MIL. 

 

Can't wait to see ep 14

I guess GTY arranged Rulans marriage after ML and him get married? 

1 hour ago, leeza77 said:
Tonight rating is very good. Increasing every night. Minglan is powerful. Able to shut molan mouth :D.. Ohh and blind date with her suitor. 
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So what exactly did it get ;p 

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Lol lol Watching episode 14 is just hilarious. I am so loving the turn of events in the Story of Ming Lan. I have never laughed so loud watching an episode raw. I know O can’t understand what is going on but you will enjoy this episode . :D:D

 

Spoiler

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Madame Cheng finally got her revenge with Ming Lan’d hell. Lol 

 

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37 minutes ago, Wotad said:

I guess GTY arranged Rulans marriage after ML and him get married? 

So what exactly did it get ;p 

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In the novel, gty knows that rulan already has a sweetheart. Thus, when rulan meet with the sweetheart for the last time, she was caught by gty's stepmother. Gty's family raise a ruckus and gty told sheng hong that he will accept minglan as a substitute for rulan. And rulan marries her sweetheart. All under the plan and gty's calculation. 

Oh.. N rating should exceed 1.0 

 

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23 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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In the novel, gty knows that rulan already has a sweetheart. Thus, when rulan meet with the sweetheart for the last time, she was caught by gty's stepmother. Gty's family raise a ruckus and gty told sheng hong that he will accept minglan as a substitute for rulan. And rulan marries her sweetheart. All under the plan and gty's calculation. 

Oh.. N rating should exceed 1.0 

 

Yeah so people were being a little dramatic with the rating stuff it will rise. 

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4 hours ago, cheekychipmunk_stv said:

GTY failed his exam because his elder brother spread rumours about him and caused the Imperial Exam hall to fail him eventhough he has high marks on his essay.

 

This drama is getting more and more interesting.  I want to see how GTY mistress fare ... Will she remains or she leave GTY? 

I want to see how ML revenge on the concubine. She has set trap on her but how she is going to expose her will be interesting.  After her mom died, she listened to her mom ... not to make herself noticed, hide her intelligence etc. 

 

May I ask how did GTY arrange Rulan marriage?

 

I really hope Molan suffers in her marriage. I don't wish her to marry into a good household. I want her to suffer like Ru Hua. The poor gentle girl suffered under her MIL. 

 

Can't wait to see ep 14

 

I think you meant Sheng house's oldest daughter Hua Lan? I think some of you may be curious about the girls' marriages, I'm not sure if anyone has talk about these spoilers from the book, but I will summarize what I can remember about the Sheng girls' fates below:

 

The Eldest Hua Lan

Spoiler

Sheng Hong selected a good husband for Hua Lan and the FIL was a nice person, what he didn't expect is the Monster-in-law. This woman favored her eldest son and daughter-in-law excessively, hence, treated her second son (Yuan Wenshao) and second daughter-in-law (Hua Lan) very unfairly. She kept demanding money from them and torturing Hua Lan during her pregnancies. At first, Hua Lan's husband tried to be filial so he just took the unfair treatments and let his wife suffered, but he got enough after a few years and started to stand up for his wife against his mother. Ming Lan also gave Hua Lan a few tricks to get back at her MIL. Later the MIL got what she deserved and Hua Lan's family lives happily and comfortably.

 

Mo Lan

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Sheng Hong even though favored Mo Lan, was aware of her concubine born status, so he'd never hoped to married her to a higher household than themselves. He was planning to married her to a poor student (Wen Yanjing), whose ability 2nd brother Changbai praised. Of course, Mo Lan wasn't satisfied, she wanted to marry into some prestigious household. So she and her mother planned to trick the 6th son of Marquis Yongchang (Liang Han) into publicly "hug" her, so he had to marry her. This, of course, brought extreme humiliation to Sheng family, but Mo Lan and her mother didn't care, as long as they got what they wanted. Only after the wedding, Mo Lan found out Liang Han had already had a mistress that he loved in the house. Basically, she put herself in a situation where she's the Big Madam and said mistress is her mother =))) Karma comes in full circle on this one. And she gave birth to a bunch of girls.

 

Ru Lan

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The poor student mentioned above, Mr. Wen, was Changbai's friend so he came to Sheng house often, he later stayed there to prepare for his exam. There he met Ru Lan and fell in love with her without knowing she's the 5th Miss. They often sneaked out and met at night and was caught by Ming Lan during one of the dates. They knew that it would be hard for her parents to accept their relationship since she's a legitimate daughter and he's a poor student. He was planning to pass the exam and have a good career so he can be suitable for her. This is where Gu Tingye came in. At the time, GTY was favored by the new emperor, hence, despite being a widower, he became one of the hottest bachelors. He unexpectedly proposed to Sheng house, and of course, the ideal candidate would be the legitimate daughter Ru Lan. Ru Lan was heartbroken, but she couldn't defy her parents, so she sneaked out to say goodbye to her boyfriend. GTY's family then "caught" them in the middle of their meeting, Ru Lan's honor was thereby ruined. Sheng house had no choice but to married Ru Lan to Mr. Wen and "compensated" to GTY by giving him the only daughter they have left, aka Ming Lan =))) Sheng parents weren't happy with Mr. Wen at first, but his sincere love to Ru Lan touched them eventually. Mr. Wen loved Ru Lan very much, he often protected her from his mother. He even refused to sleep with the girls his mother gave him because he didn't want to see Ru Lan unhappy. He also had a good career so Ru Lan also lived happily even though she only managed to give birth to one daughter (at least from what I can remember from the novel). You can imagine how much regret Mo Lan must have felt =)))

 

Ming Lan

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The whole Ru Lan proposal debacle was GTY's plan to marry Ming Lan all along. He knew his awful history was never going to fare well with Grandma, so he had to used tricks in order to get her. Grandma originally wanted to marry Ming Lan to her friend's grandchild, He Hongwen, who was a doctor. Their family was a good household, not prestigious, but moderately rich, suitable for a concubine born daughter like Ming Lan to be a main wife. Mr. He was a nice guy, Ming Lan understood that this marriage was appropriate and accepted in willingly. It was going well until a cousin of Mr. He came back and caused a lot of trouble. Ming Lan wasn't pleased with how Mr. He and his family dealt with the whole thing (Mr. He tried his best though, it just that the cousin and her family was VERY troublesome); however, she was going to pull through since he's an ideal match. But then, GTY came in with his scheme and Ming Lan had no choice but to marry him, she didn't even get the chance to say goodbye to Mr. He. Before the wedding, ML figured out that their family was tricked by GTY and she confronted him, during the confrontation, GTY showed how he the one who understand her the most, who can give her the life she wanted, he even got on his knee if I remember correctly. It was very sweet. It took ML a long time before she can find the courage to reciprocated his feelings, but overall, they faced many obstacles but ended up as the happiest and most powerful couple (with a lot of sons =)))

 

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6 hours ago, cheekychipmunk_stv said:

GTY failed his exam because his elder brother spread rumours about him and caused the Imperial Exam hall to fail him eventhough he has high marks on his essay.

 

This is why I’ve been rooting for GTY from the beginning since he survived the assassination attempt as a teenager. Loved his little competition with “Xiao Mai Mai” ML in ep 1 and the YouTube  previews for ep16 shows IMO that GTY is going to be the only one to provoke ML like that. She can hide her intelligence and  stay in the background around everyone else it seems.

 

5 hours ago, frenchfan said:

His elder brother is a nasty piece of work.  GTY should have passed the exam.  He worked hard for it.  I hate his dad.  He used GTY's mum's dowries for his own end.  I am wondering if his current main wife (GTY's stepmum) is not up to something.  I saw in one trailer that GTY managed to exposed his stepmum for being two-faced all this while which broke his heart as he had high regards for her.  I can't wait for more episodes to come neither.  I have been rewatching all episodes while waiting........

GTY’s stepmom is a piece of work. She’s been brainwashing his elder brother (as a kid) since GTY’s mom married into the family. I think that was her in the flashback. I can’t remember in the novel spoilers if she had anything to do with the first wife’s (her own sister’s) death. From what they’ve portrayed so far she’s pitting the two older brothers against each other to make way for her own son, the spoiled third brother. I always thought it was weird that all three GU brothers are legitimate born since the father married each wife after the other’s death with the current one being his own sister-in-law. So it really makes room for back stabbing and murder since that’s the only way for the youngest to inherit. GTY’s extended family from both parents are nasty. His maternal uncle tried to assassinate him to steal the grandfather’s salt business and his father’s family uses his name to run up bills at brothels and ruin his reputation. Just sucks that GTY really does believe his stepmom cared about him.

 

Thanks @gleek49 these marriage descriptions were that I read on the novel spoilers site. 

Now I just need to rewatch when eng subs are done to fully catch all the little nuances of what is being said in ep11-14. 

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2 hours ago, gleek49 said:

 

I think you meant Sheng house's oldest daughter Hua Lan? I think some of you may be curious about the girls' marriages, I'm not sure if anyone has talk about these spoilers from the book, but I will summarize what I can remember about the Sheng girls' fates below:

 

The Eldest Hua Lan

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Sheng Hong selected a good husband for Hua Lan and the FIL was a nice person, what he didn't expect is the Monster-in-law. This woman favored her eldest son and daughter-in-law excessively, hence, treated her second son (Yuan Wenshao) and second daughter-in-law (Hua Lan) very unfairly. She kept demanding money from them and torturing Hua Lan during her pregnancies. At first, Hua Lan's husband tried to be filial so he just took the unfair treatments and let his wife suffered, but he got enough after a few years and started to stand up for his wife against his mother. Ming Lan also gave Hua Lan a few tricks to get back at her MIL. Later the MIL got what she deserved and Hua Lan's family lives happily and comfortably.

 

Mo Lan

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Sheng Hong even though favored Mo Lan, was aware of her concubine born status, so he'd never hoped to married her to a higher household than themselves. He was planning to married her to a poor student (Wen Yanjing), whose ability 2nd brother Changbai praised. Of course, Mo Lan wasn't satisfied, she wanted to marry into some prestigious household. So she and her mother planned to trick the 6th son of Marquis Yongchang (Liang Han) into publicly "hug" her, so he had to marry her. This, of course, brought extreme humiliation to Sheng family, but Mo Lan and her mother didn't care, as long as they got what they wanted. Only after the wedding, Mo Lan found out Liang Han had already had a mistress that he loved in the house. Basically, she put herself in a situation where she's the Big Madam and said mistress is her mother =))) Karma comes in full circle on this one. And she gave birth to a bunch of girls.

 

Ru Lan

  Reveal hidden contents

The poor student mentioned above, Mr. Wen, was Changbai's friend so he came to Sheng house often, he later stayed there to prepare for his exam. There he met Ru Lan and fell in love with her without knowing she's the 5th Miss. They often sneaked out and met at night and was caught by Ming Lan during one of the dates. They knew that it would be hard for her parents to accept their relationship since she's a legitimate daughter and he's a poor student. He was planning to pass the exam and have a good career so he can be suitable for her. This is where Gu Tingye came in. At the time, GTY was favored by the new emperor, hence, despite being a widower, he became one of the hottest bachelors. He unexpectedly proposed to Sheng house, and of course, the ideal candidate would be the legitimate daughter Ru Lan. Ru Lan was heartbroken, but she couldn't defy her parents, so she sneaked out to say goodbye to her boyfriend. GTY's family then "caught" them in the middle of their meeting, Ru Lan's honor was thereby ruined. Sheng house had no choice but to married Ru Lan to Mr. Wen and "compensated" to GTY by giving him the only daughter they have left, aka Ming Lan =))) Sheng parents weren't happy with Mr. Wen at first, but his sincere love to Ru Lan touched them eventually. Mr. Wen loved Ru Lan very much, he often protected her from his mother. He even refused to sleep with the girls his mother gave him because he didn't want to see Ru Lan unhappy. He also had a good career so Ru Lan also lived happily even though she only managed to give birth to one daughter (at least from what I can remember from the novel). You can imagine how much regret Mo Lan must have felt =)))

 

Ming Lan

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The whole Ru Lan proposal debacle was GTY's plan to marry Ming Lan all along. He knew his awful history was never going to fare well with Grandma, so he had to used tricks in order to get her. Grandma originally wanted to marry Ming Lan to her friend's grandchild, He Hongwen, who was a doctor. Their family was a good household, not prestigious, but moderately rich, suitable for a concubine born daughter like Ming Lan to be a main wife. Mr. He was a nice guy, Ming Lan understood that this marriage was appropriate and accepted in willingly. It was going well until a cousin of Mr. He came back and caused a lot of trouble. Ming Lan wasn't pleased with how Mr. He and his family dealt with the whole thing (Mr. He tried his best though, it just that the cousin and her family was VERY troublesome); however, she was going to pull through since he's an ideal match. But then, GTY came in with his scheme and Ming Lan had no choice but to marry him, she didn't even get the chance to say goodbye to Mr. He. Before the wedding, ML figured out that their family was tricked by GTY and she confronted him, during the confrontation, GTY showed how he the one who understand her the most, who can give her the life she wanted, he even got on his knee if I remember correctly. It was very sweet. It took ML a long time before she can find the courage to reciprocated his feelings, but overall, they faced many obstacles but ended up as the happiest and most powerful couple (with a lot of sons =)))

 

 

does QH get a happy ending dont spoil if anything bad happens to him etc.. just try say without saying that if it makes sense ;p 

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34 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

@Wotad Qi Heng will be fine, he'll struggle with marriage for a while, but he'll eventually settle down and inherit his father's title without any trouble.

 

He just going to give me so many feels i already know, FUHENG over again ;p 

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@gleek49

Do you remember anything about Changbai?...er gege and his wife. All I remember is ML had a good relationship with her sister in law and maybe helped her a few times. And they have done away with the youngest brother, Changdong? ,it seems. 

And Sheng Wei and his family?? Have they been mentioned in the drama? I remember Sheng Wei really liked ML.

BTW, good job on the sisters after marriage profiles....I remembered about Hualan and Rulan..but was not clear about Molan....we can call it poetic justice that she ended up enduring the exact thing her mother made Da niang go through. 

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8 minutes ago, dito said:

@gleek49

Do you remember anything about Changbai?...er gege and his wife. All I remember is ML had a good relationship with her sister in law and maybe helped her a few times. And they have done away with the youngest brother, Changdong? ,it seems. 

And Sheng Wei and his family?? Have they been mentioned in the drama? I remember Sheng Wei really liked ML.

BTW, good job on the sisters after marriage profiles....I remembered about Hualan and Rulan..but was not clear about Molan....we can call it poetic justice that she ended up enduring the exact thing her mother made Da niang go through. 

 

Shang Wei ;o who is this ;p 

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@dito @Wotad

 

Sheng Wei is Sheng Hong's older cousin, Sheng Wei is the one who inherit the Main Sheng household, living in Sheng family's hometown. Grandma took Ming Lan there to visit them a couple of times in the novel. His youngest daughter, Pin Lan, was really close with Ming Lan.

 

Actually, earlier today, the production team posted the family tree on weibo, Sheng Wei's family is on there, with actors' pictures, so they probably will show up at some point.

 

Changbai was the golden son, his career went very well, bringing even more honor and riches to the family than his father. His wife (Hai Shi) was selected carefully, so she performed excellently as a eldest daughter in law (good relationship with siblings, elders; supporting her husband; taking care of the household...). Changbai in the novel didn't talk or express much, but it seemed like he did loved his wife, he even taught her how to deal with Big Madam (poor Big Madam, her daughter-in-law was so much smarter than her, she almost never had a chance to scold her =))). Changbai was also very self-disciplined so he didn't take many women; I think he only kept 1 maid who followed him since they were small, plus she was timid so she never caused him and his wife any trouble. Hai Shi really liked Ming Lan a lot, but then again, everyone likes Ming Lan a lot. Even Changbai liked her better than his own blood sister Ru Lan.

 

Sadly, Changdong and his mother was cut, his relationship with ML was so cute! But I get it, there are already SO many characters in this drama, someone needed to go or the audience head might explode from information overload =)))

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