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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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7 hours ago, UnniSarah said:

@heatherbee  IKR , I can't stand the mother and daughter DUo.... This Molan is the exact replica of her mother and I wonder will she be able to capture QH in matrimonial mariage.  I know for a fact that QH's mothe will never accept Molan because she will see right through her actions. smh smh smh 

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I hope that the truth about how far "    Lin Qinshuang               " will go to give her kids the best of everything. She felt no guilt in killing Ming Lan's mother. I would hate the truth to be kept a secret forever.  
I think Ming Lan's father is truly dumb and pathetic. He shows so much favortism towards his concubine and doesn't really love his other children. 

@m0us3y   Viki is free but there will be ad  as u watch the drama...

Molan and Concubine Lin are living in their own dreamland when they think that Molan can marry GH. Even though they’re the favorite of Sheng Hong, her concubine born status doesn’t change and GH’s mom is a princess so like Momo, she knows all the harem tricks. Even if she tries to trap GH, his mom would only allow her to be a concubine. His mom probably already has a list of princesses and noble legitimate daughters ready for political marriages for GH. 

 

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I think Molan is going to settle for tricking that 6th son of Marquis in ep 6 where she pushed her sisters into the hall. Him and his mother didn’t seem to mind that she’s concubine born. He was dumb enough to think that Molan is the innocent one.

 

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13 hours ago, hello210 said:

From the Novel spoilers, the drama has ML showing a little more of her feelings for GH but like everyone says, she’s very sensible and realistic. I don’t think that it’s ML giving up but more that she never tried. She doesn’t even entertain the thought of becoming something more than a distant admirer of GH. She says this and kind of explains it to her maid in the episode where GH gives her the pens I think.  From previous comments and the novel ML is GH’s regret in life since he didn’t get to be with her so I can see him still having lingering feelings.

Also, I think there was a comment that they added scenes to that drama that wasn’t in the novel that was shown in the previews like the scene where GH tells GTY that he doesn’t think GTY is right for ML so I can see how they would have those jealous scenes to add otherwise ML is very proper and aware due to lessons from Grandma so meeting up with a man after marriage wouldn’t be in her character. I didn’t finish the novel since I gave up google translating it so don’t know if those are added and not part of the novel. But it does make it interesting.

From everything I’ve seen and my broken mandarin, I think GTY pities his mistress and cares about his children with her but Ming Lan is his one true love. I hope they keep to the novel and GH doesn’t interfere in the marriage because he thinks he knows better. 

 

Just waiting for Episode 11, 12, and 13 on Viki. Don’t know if they’re holding off release till subs are complete.

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You're right. I remember only one time ML and QH were together alone, after her marriage to GTY in the novel....and it was accidental. ML and GTY were invited to QH's twins' 100th day celebration or something. Men and women were in separate parts of the house....and when ML was leaving she accidentally ran into QH. ML had some words with him...which then led to a big fight between ML and GTY.....I think I wrote about this in one of my earlier posts. 

I too gave up reading this book on google translate.... about 5-6 times actually.  But kept going back to it after taking a break. Reason was it was too hard to make sense of the google translate gibberish....usually I find chinese modern novels quite easy to understand on google translate but period novels with flowery and poetic language are hard work. Still I found Princess Weiyoung, Jun Juling easy to follow on GT....so maybe the language used was simpler.

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3 hours ago, hello210 said:

Molan and Concubine Lin are living in their own dreamland when they think that Molan can marry GH. Even though they’re the favorite of Sheng Hong, her concubine born status doesn’t change and GH’s mom is a princess so like Momo, she knows all the harem tricks. Even if she tries to trap GH, his mom would only allow her to be a concubine. His mom probably already has a list of princesses and noble legitimate daughters ready for political marriages for GH. 

 

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I think Molan is going to settle for tricking that 6th son of Marquis in ep 6 where she pushed her sisters into the hall. Him and his mother didn’t seem to mind that she’s concubine born. He was dumb enough to think that Molan is the innocent one.

 

I rewatched the episodes from the beginning and indeed, the 6th son of marquis thought (wrongly of course) that she was the decent, docile, gentle one....LOL  He is in for a surprise.  Molan seemed to think that because she was born the the favourite concubine that she is entitled and has a very high opinion of herself. I wanted to slap her everytime she threw tantrum and cried.  I enjoyed her bickering with 5th sister Rulan.  Rulan is tenacious.  Eventhough she was spoilt but she was not mean.  

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2 hours ago, frenchfan said:

I rewatched the episodes from the beginning and indeed, the 6th son of marquis thought (wrongly of course) that she was the decent, docile, gentle one....LOL  He is in for a surprise.  Molan seemed to think that because she was born the the favourite concubine that she is entitled and has a very high opinion of herself. I wanted to slap her everytime she threw tantrum and cried.  I enjoyed her bickering with 5th sister Rulan.  Rulan is tenacious.  Eventhough she was spoilt but she was not mean.  

The moment Molan falls ima be so happy she deserves no happiness, i actually really support Rulan and her mother.

 

How the head woman of the household is treated is terrible and degrading honestly you are basically spitting in her face with this treatment. 

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21 hours ago, hello210 said:

Wow...Daylight is doing so well...isn’t Like a Flowing River also their production? And they are both on top for ratings. I can see why because the cinematography in both dramas are so natural with the time periods and detailed. I’ve been trying to find MingLan and Jin Han OGT songs on iTunes with no luck. I love the MV and the song, especially that version with LY/FSF. FSF sang it for the Hunan New Year’s Eve concert (too bad LY didn’t make it but she posted about it on her Weibo)...just haven’t been able to find the full video. Both FSF and ZYL performed and from the little parts I found on YouTube, they did good.

actual tv rating is entirely different story, which is more representable than online rating.

 Wang Kai's great river is doing amazing on tv rating too (consistently number 1) but Ming Lan is only so-so, like number 5 in the current drama airing with 0.5-0.6% of viewership count (which is low for zly drama).

Even the currently airing Tang Yan's 6 years old drama is doing better than this drama and this is considering the amount of money Ming lan is throwing into buying all those weibo hot searches every day for exposures, but people are not tuning in. In coming weeks there would be newer heavily anticipated drama starts airing like Zhou Dong Yi and Ariel's, so I worry the viewership is going to go down even further. Feel bad for zly since this is going to be her last drama before her break with her pregnancy and being a mother. well, no one can hit a jackpot every single time. 

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9 minutes ago, gibas231 said:

actual tv rating is entirely different story, which is more representable than online rating.

 Wang Kai's great river is doing amazing on tv rating too (consistently number 1) but Ming Lan is only so-so, like number 5 in the current drama airing with 0.5-0.6% of viewership count (which is low for zly drama).

Even the currently airing Tang Yan's 6 years old drama is doing better than this drama and this is considering the amount of money Ming lan is throwing into buying all those weibo hot searches every day for exposures, but people are not tuning in. In coming weeks there would be newer heavily anticipated drama starts airing like Zhou Dong Yi and Ariel's, so I worry the viewership is going to go down even further. Feel bad for zly since this is going to be her last drama before her break with her pregnancy and being a mother. well, no one can hit a jackpot every single time. 

Its recent episode was 0.720 and it has a average of 0.679

 

I think you are judging to early Like A Flowing River and Ming Lan are directly competing at the same time zone also Hunan TV overall this year has been way down. 

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I think it’s because of the genre and people want action from LY like Princess Agents or the Journey of Flower. To me, TSOML is like Downton Abbey and the Jane Austen novels. This kind of stuff is right up my alley but boring to some people. 

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12 minutes ago, hello210 said:

I think it’s because of the genre and people want action from LY like Princess Agents or the Journey of Flower. To me, TSOML is like Downton Abbey and the Jane Austen novels. This kind of stuff is right up my alley but boring to some people. 

Oooh i love Downton Abbey and Jane Austen's adaptations too, well i guess that makes us  'boring' ppl :lol:

 

But seriously, Minglan is not for everyone.

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47 minutes ago, hello210 said:

I think it’s because of the genre and people want action from LY like Princess Agents or the Journey of Flower. To me, TSOML is like Downton Abbey and the Jane Austen novels. This kind of stuff is right up my alley but boring to some people. 

Wouldn't disagree....some episodes are just really slow...and the only thing that kept me invested is the production's company attention to detail and ZLY (I started watching because of her)..but in some episodes, she barely has any screentime, and all we get is the annoying Molan, or worse the dad with his favourite concubine, all of whom I want to punch and can't wait for their downfall. 

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3 hours ago, Wotad said:

Its recent episode was 0.720 and it has a average of 0.679

 

I think you are judging to early Like A Flowing River and Ming Lan are directly competing at the same time zone also Hunan TV overall this year has been way down. 

hopefully you are right that the rating will go up even further after flowing river ends its run. however, there are other 3 dramas doing better than Ming lan tho, even without any promotion, hot searches or big names. It's a long drama, so a lot people probably wait until it finishes and reading reviews before they want to invest time in watching it. So perhaps online views in later weeks will go higher. 

 

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1 hour ago, m0us3y said:

Wouldn't disagree....some episodes are just really slow...and the only thing that kept me invested is the production's company attention to detail and ZLY (I started watching because of her)..but in some episodes, she barely has any screentime, and all we get is the annoying Molan, or worse the dad with his favourite concubine, all of whom I want to punch and can't wait for their downfall. 

 yep, agree on slow. I dropped it on first episode because i fell asleep watching it after the first 30 mins. I will probably watching this forum closely and may pick it up once the story starts to get interesting. Honestly, I am actually not expecting Journey of flower or princess agents kind of action, i actually did not finish these two too, too long and overtly stretched. My fav zly drama is actually Shan Shan, rewatched it too many times, she was just too adorable there, not in your face kind of cute, just very natural. I kind of wish she was 5 yrs younger now and can still act in this kind of idol drama. 

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1 hour ago, gibas231 said:

 yep, agree on slow. I dropped it on first episode because i fell asleep watching it after the first 30 mins. I will probably watching this forum closely and may pick it up once the story starts to get interesting. Honestly, I am actually not expecting Journey of flower or princess agents kind of action, i actually did not finish these two too, too long and overtly stretched. My fav zly drama is actually Shan Shan, rewatched it too many times, she was just too adorable there, not in your face kind of cute, just very natural. I kind of wish she was 5 yrs younger now and can still act in this kind of idol drama. 

As @jewelsc said this drama isn’t to everyone’s taste. Shan Shan was actually my first C-drama in many years which brought me back to watching C-dramas again so I have a little bias for ZLY. Now I’m into Thai, K-drama, and C-drama and have started to see the differences between these types of dramas and idol dramas.  These kinds of drama when done well are my favorite. For me, the pacing is good because of the detail and character development. When the episodes aren’t available on Viki, I just go to YouTube and watch raw...I wish it was aired all day so I can watch the whole thing during holiday break...lol.

 

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Haha...the teacher’s gripe almost came true. Only ML second brother passed the Imperial Exam out of the 4 men. The other three were too distracted. GH because of budding love, GTY because of family/business and 3rd brother because he’s just lazy.

 

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Watching 10 episodes on viki. Really like momo kong. Such a wisdom. I like the interaction between minglan and grandma. The dialogues are full of wisdom, poetic. For eg. Grinding the water, etc. To caught a thief by capturing the leader. 

 

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1 hour ago, gibas231 said:

hopefully you are right that the rating will go up even further after flowing river ends its run. however, there are other 3 dramas doing better than Ming lan tho, even without any promotion, hot searches or big names. It's a long drama, so a lot people probably wait until it finishes and reading reviews before they want to invest time in watching it. So perhaps online views in later weeks will go higher. 

 

 

name's are irrelevant now days so cant really be used as a argument , it got 161 million online views on the 30th and that does not include iQiyi who im pretty sure dont report online views.

 

Anyways i dont care about rating's , China always sleep on good drama's. 

 

Also it does not take the top 2 spots on daily tv rating's without any promo, it took primetime slot's on two big channels in China.

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54 minutes ago, hello210 said:

 

 

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Haha...the teacher’s gripe almost came true. Only ML second brother passed the Imperial Exam out of the 4 men. The other three were too distracted. GH because of budding love, GTY because of family/business and 3rd brother because he’s just lazy.

 

@hello210   I loved episode 10 myself. It took a stranger to point out the faults in the Sheng household. 

Friends when you watch episdes 11-13 , you will be laughing a lot.... Although I don't understand but what came in to play in these episode were the best thing to happen.   Momo Kang warned Sheng Hong about Concubine Lin and he did not take her words seriously even knowing she is right. smh smh

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You know I thought Sheng Hong was in love with the Mistress but now I think he is just pacifying the mistress and her children. It was funny to see him listen to Momo Kong  list all the wrongs they comitted that day. I especially loved the way he looked at his main wife while their daughter is being told what she did wrong. He watched her facial expression to see her reaction as her daughter was being scolded.I lvoe the main wife she did not give him the satisfaction by squiming.  I think Sheng Hong knows what Ming Lan is capable of and never pin her against his other daughters. Out of all his daughters , she was the one he went to see first to see How she was doing?? Isn't that peculiar? Why didn't he go see Mo Lan or Ru Lan??? 

Question : Why did Sheng Hong refuse to let Ming Lan go when she was younger ? Does he even care for Ming Lan??  Ming Lan is very smart , I love her interactions with her aunt and Old Mrs Sheng.  Both these woman are so smart and adore our Ming Lan so much.  

 

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17 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:

@hello210   I loved episode 10 myself. It took a stranger to point out the faults in the Sheng household. 

Friends when you watch episdes 11-13 , you will be laughing a lot.... Although I don't understand but what came in to play in these episode were the best thing to happen.   Momo Kang warned Sheng Hong about Concubine Lin and he did not take her words seriously even knowing she is right. smh smh

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You know I thought Sheng Hong was in love with the Mistress but now I think he is just pacifying the mistress and her children. It was funny to see him listen to Momo Kong  list all the wrongs they comitted that day. I especially loved the way he looked at his main wife while their daughter is being told what she did wrong. He watched her facial expression to see her reaction as her daughter was being scolded.I lvoe the main wife she did not give him the satisfaction by squiming.  I think Sheng Hong knows what Ming Lan is capable of and never pin her against his other daughters. Out of all his daughters , she was the one he went to see first to see How she was doing?? Isn't that peculiar? Why didn't he go see Mo Lan or Ru Lan??? 

Question : Why did Sheng Hong refuse to let Ming Lan go when she was younger ? Does he even care for Ming Lan??  Ming Lan is very smart , I love her interactions with her aunt and Old Mrs Sheng.  Both these woman are so smart and adore our Ming Lan so much.  

 

 

Regarding what Sheng Hong really think's of ML im not sure i just think hes indifferent to her like he does not care about her but does not hate her either , ML as a character is very neutral and does not cause issues so he has no worry's about her and even tried to defend her but he should know by doing that you pin others against her.

 

Im really curious if their father/daughter relationship grows in the drama./ 

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11 minutes ago, Wotad said:

 

Regarding what Sheng Hong really think's of ML im not sure i just think hes indifferent to her like he does not care about her but does not hate her either , ML as a character is very neutral and does not cause issues so he has no worry's about her and even tried to defend her but he should know by doing that you pin others against her.

 

Im really curious if their father/daughter relationship grows in the drama./ 

Minglan also is indifferent to Sheng Hong. It doesn't matter to her whether he gives attention to her or not as the period when she really needs het fathet has already passed. 

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29 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:

@hello210   I loved episode 10 myself. It took a stranger to point out the faults in the Sheng household. 

Friends when you watch episdes 11-13 , you will be laughing a lot.... Although I don't understand but what came in to play in these episode were the best thing to happen.   Momo Kang warned Sheng Hong about Concubine Lin and he did not take her words seriously even knowing she is right. smh smh

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You know I thought Sheng Hong was in love with the Mistress but now I think he is just pacifying the mistress and her children. It was funny to see him listen to Momo Kong  list all the wrongs they comitted that day. I especially loved the way he looked at his main wife while their daughter is being told what she did wrong. He watched her facial expression to see her reaction as her daughter was being scolded.I lvoe the main wife she did not give him the satisfaction by squiming.  I think Sheng Hong knows what Ming Lan is capable of and never pin her against his other daughters. Out of all his daughters , she was the one he went to see first to see How she was doing?? Isn't that peculiar? Why didn't he go see Mo Lan or Ru Lan??? 

Question : Why did Sheng Hong refuse to let Ming Lan go when she was younger ? Does he even care for Ming Lan??  Ming Lan is very smart , I love her interactions with her aunt and Old Mrs Sheng.  Both these woman are so smart and adore our Ming Lan so much.  

 

 

He went to see Minglan because Kong Momo had just taught him about being fair, so he realized that he had been neglecting Minglan, he felt guilty so he went to see her first (the moment didn't last very long -.-). He later went to comfort Molan and stayed Concubine Lin's place. The only daughter he didn't see was Rulan. 

 

Despite the drama synopsis stated that Minglan was the least loved daughter, I always think that Rulan is the actual least loved one. Molan had both her parents loved her growing up; Minglan, eventhough tragically lost her mother, had grandma who favored her. Rulan only had her mother, but in the book, it was clear that Big Madam loved her (much smarter) older brother and sister more. Rulan was not as smart as her other siblings, so she didn't know how to please the elders in the house, always angered them, so they didn't like her very much. Even Minglan was favored by Sheng Hong more at some point because she was smart, she knew how to please her father.

 

Also because Rulan was a legitimate child so the elders think that she will be fine just because of her status, both grandma and Sheng Hong spent more time worried about the two other concubine born daughters more. This was evident from the fact that the father and the grandma spent a lot of time pondering on Molan and Minglan's, respectively, marriage prospects. As far as I can remember, they hadn't had the time to care about Rulan's. In the end, Rulan's marriage was ultimately decided by Gu Tingye! (which was very fortunate, because I don't think Big Madam had the ability to select a suitable match for her daughter =)))

 

That's probably why Rulan fell for a poor student so easily, cause he's the first person who liked her for who she is (faults and all) and not for her status as a legitimate daughter of a rich household.

 

Ultimately, I don't blame them entirely for neglecting Rulan, since it's true that she would get by just fine because of her status, and Minglan really did need grandma's protection. I just feel a bit unfair for Rulan as her "status" was the exact reason why she was less loved within the family.

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