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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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2 hours ago, frenchfan said:

Not sure her dad would want her back since this will be a shameful event for the family.  :grimace:

 

I'm not sure but based on my knowledge on historical practices, unless her father openly disowns her (which he won't do cuz it will stir up a public scandal), he has to take her back. Not only that, to avoid public eye the divorce will be done as quiet as possible. What he does to her after that though, is behind closed doors. It can either be being grounded or exiled for life. Or he can give a signal to her husband to kill her off in silence (I don't think he would do that but possible). All and all, they will deal with it underground.

 

These are 2 methods that are usually used in this kind of situation if both parties are smart. Another stupid method is that the husband kicks her out while the father refuses to take her back. Letting her loose is usually the root to another trouble.

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So we have ML who just came back from her trip to hell, still recovering from childbirth, doing everything within her means to save GTY, going to the Shen's, going to Empress, putting everything on the line, literally begging the Empress, fainting outside trying to seek justice (as seen in the trailer), crying in silence, all the pain and agony, the heartbreak....

And GTY is HAPPY??

 

I might be in the minority, and I'm hoping (badly) that there is more to it...but I'm not impressed. 

It's just wrong...on so many levels...:tears:

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18 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

So we have ML who just came back from her trip to hell, still recovering from childbirth, doing everything within her means to save GTY, going to the Shen's, going to Empress, putting everything on the line, literally begging the Empress, fainting outside trying to seek justice (as seen in the trailer), crying in silence, all the pain and agony, the heartbreak....

And GTY is HAPPY??

 

I might be in the minority, and I'm hoping (badly) that there is more to it...but I'm not impressed. 

It's just wrong...on so many levels...:tears:i

It's not happiness per say, I think it's more like a soft emotional state for him seeing her do so much for him and I guess that was why he also cried while they were talking in prison.. He feels sorry and sad he dragged her into all this, but he is also greatful that she does so much for him,.... Like 'omg she is really doing all this for me, really thank you but I really don't want to see you sad anymore'.. So he cried but pretends to still be cool with the situation like the pride GTY he is.. :tears:

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Just now, Suzzy San said:

It's not happiness per say, I think it's more like a soft emotional state for him seeing her do so much for him and I guess that was why he also cried while they were talking in prison.. He feels sorry and sad he dragged her into all this, but he is also greatful that she does so much for him,.... Like 'omg she is really doing all this for me, really thank you but I really don't want to see you sad anymore'.. So he cried but pretends to still be cool with the situation like the pride GTY he is.. :tears:

I hope you are right...hence I added that I'm hoping I'm interpreting the previews wrongly and there is more to it. 

GTY should be grateful that he has such a wife, that someone is willing to do everything for him, and love him unconditionally, for better or worse, through good times and bad.

But being grateful also means that he would be sad to see her suffering so much for him..which is why I said being HAPPY is just wrong...

For someone who wouldn't allow anyone to hurt her, being happy seeing her suffer so much because of him is....not cool...at all..

 

Him putting a brave front for her so that she doesn't crumble seeing him fall, would be consistent with his character...so I hope you are right...

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4 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

I hope you are right...hence I added that I'm hoping I'm interpreting the previews wrongly and there is more to it. 

GTY should be grateful that he has such a wife, that someone is willing to do everything for him, and love him unconditionally, for better or worse, through good times and bad.

But being grateful also means that he would be sad to see her suffering so much for him..which is why I said being HAPPY is just wrong...

For someone who wouldn't allow anyone to hurt her, being happy seeing her suffer so much because of him is....not cool...at all..

 

Him putting a brave front for her so that she doesn't crumble seeing him fall, would be consistent with his character...so I hope you are right..

So true, if you want to understand a little, you can go watch ep 74 TV version, the full scene is there.. Prepare some tissues though, it sure made me cry, because I feel that scene showed how the high and mighty GTY crumbled in the embrace of his wife :bawling:

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1 hour ago, m0us3y said:

So we have ML who just came back from her trip to hell, still recovering from childbirth, doing everything within her means to save GTY, going to the Shen's, going to Empress, putting everything on the line, literally begging the Empress, fainting outside trying to seek justice (as seen in the trailer), crying in silence, all the pain and agony, the heartbreak....

And GTY is HAPPY??

 

I might be in the minority, and I'm hoping (badly) that there is more to it...but I'm not impressed. 

It's just wrong...on so many levels...:tears:

Agree, it does not make any sense.... any man would be so damn worried especially with a newborn baby... I would think if GTY was going to be happy it was because his wife, his baby and the rest of the family are safe and alive. When safety of the family is at stake, when wife and rest of family are facing danger, all petty concerns fly out the window. Same thing when a wife welcomes a husband who just faced danger, example gone to war and survived, she would just be happy to see her husband alive and well and nothing else matters. 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, sava2sava said:

@minglan1  Why is Molan so hell bent on interfering with Minglan matters.. I know it has to be more then her mom tablet reasons.. Even if it steems from jealousy what difference would it make.. It's not like she could marry GTY herself.. Wouldn't it be better for her to accept her Lil Sister married higher then her and to keep a good family relationship with her for the future of her children sake rather then continue to make more of and enemy to Minglan..  

Molan is a very greedy person who isn't content with what she has like her mother. She also doesn't know her station. After Molan finding out her mom caused ML's mom death, she probably thought that ML would never help her in the future. ML and GTY didn't give invitation to their house-warming party to Molan by planning so that Liang Han and his mother went out of town. Molan got the invitation from stepmom. She might also believe that she would not need ML's help given her husband's family background. Plus, her intention is to make ML's life miserable and ML's status lower than her. 

I don't think Molan's jealousy of ML is not getting to "marry GTY" per se. She knows GTY has no interest in her as he always wanted to marry di daughter and she also thought that he has bad reputation. She just always wanted to be above all her sisters as she thought that her beauty and talents are above them. In the beginning, she compete mainly with HL and RL as they're di daughters and she is a shu. Later, QH, the person Molan always admired and wanted to get married likes ML. She didn't make a big ruckus about QH, though reported to SH about ML and QH playing Polo together, since she did not know QH wanted to marry ML as his principal wife and they didn't end up getting married. However, she knew that her MIL wanted ML as DIL not her and that's why she tried to ruin ML's face. She had to go through underhanded method to get married to Liang Han, she has no children and her husband has many concubines. I'm pretty sure her life is miserable, needing to deal with MIL who is not fond of her, many SILs (her husband is 6th son and youngest) and concubines of her husband. She probably thinks ML life is great not needing to live with MIL, not having to deal with concubines, getting full attention and love from husband, becoming noble woman and Marquess wife as young age.

ML not allowing her mom spiritual tablet to be worshipped at the temple and causing her husband to be suspicious of her also made her furious. This is the first time in her life she didn't get what she wanted. So, she is not only jealous of ML but she hates her to guts. She has been saying bad things about ML to QH's wife and GTY's stepmom. It seems that people who're jealous of ML and regard her as their enemy since ML didn't comply with their wishes, become close to stepmom. She probably lost it when ML was allowed to solve Sheng's family affairs while she was scolded by SH for wanting to know and involve in maiden's family affair instead of her own affairs.

 

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1 hour ago, m0us3y said:

So we have ML who just came back from her trip to hell, still recovering from childbirth, doing everything within her means to save GTY, going to the Shen's, going to Empress, putting everything on the line, literally begging the Empress, fainting outside trying to seek justice (as seen in the trailer), crying in silence, all the pain and agony, the heartbreak....

And GTY is HAPPY??

 

I might be in the minority, and I'm hoping (badly) that there is more to it...but I'm not impressed. 

It's just wrong...on so many levels...:tears:

She did go to the sheng and empress before meeting him at the prison cell.. But the fainting and pleading to the emperor until fainting happened after that. I don't think gty wanted her to do that. 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNPHs8MgLl8

Someone named Sandman Lee was nice enough to translate this scene on youtube. 

they wrote 

"Some brief translation. Sorry for my poor English. 0:00 ML: Anyway, he'll be exiled after autumn. We still have time to think up something. Pity I've made the royal family unhappy. General Shen and Madam Zhang said they'll help me to persuade the Empress. ChangBai: You always act after thoroughly planning before. This time you've been too anxious. 0:30 General Shen, Empress's brother: Now I have no proper man to lead the army. Wish your Majesty delay the penalty to the criminal Gu, and send him to help me to conquer the rebels. I'll watch him back afterward. Emperor: He's not the only one who's qualified for this mission. General Shen: He's a talented general with full knowledge of the geography of the border. Emperor: Shut up. 0:56 Maid Xiang: Why did the Empress Dowager suggest Wang family, to support the idea of letting Gu join this military mission? Qin: If Gu stays prisoned here, he can easily find support from all his friends in the capital. It would be hard for the Empress Dowager to hurt him. However, if he dies in the war fire, who can blame her? Xiang: So we only need to wait for his death? Qin: This rebel comes just at the perfect time. (turns around) Everything is coming to the end."

 

So from this I think it's safe to assume that he gets out of jail and comes back home in time to stop the ED. 

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7 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

Molan is a very greedy person who isn't content with what she has like her mother. She also doesn't know her station. After Molan finding out her mom caused ML's mom death, she probably thought that ML would never help her in the future. She might also believe that she would not need ML's help given her husband's family background. ML didn't give invitation to her house warming party to Molan by planning so that Liang Han and her mother went out of town. Molan got the invitation from stepmom. 

I don't think Molan's jealousy of ML is not getting to "marry GTY" person per se. She knows GTY has no interest in her as he always wanted to marry di daughter and she also thought that he has bad reputation. She just always wanted to be above all her sisters as she thought that her beauty and talents are above them. In the beginning, mainly, HL and RL as they're di daughters and she is shu. 

 Later, QH, the person Molan always admired and wanted to get married likes ML. She didn't make a big ruckus about QH, though reported to SH about them playing Polo together, since she did not know QH wanted to marry ML as his principal wife and they didn't end up getting married. However, she knew that her MIL wanted ML as DIL not her and that's why she tried to ruin ML's face. She had to go through underhanded method to get married to Liang Han, she has no children and her husband has many concubines. I'm pretty sure her life is miserable, needing to deal with MIL who is not fond of her, many SILs (her husband is 6th son and youngest) and concubines of her husband. In her opinion, ML life is great not needing to live with MIL, getting full attention and love from husband, becoming noble woman and Marquess wife as young age. ML not allowing her mom spiritual tablet to be worshipped at the temple and causing her husband to be suspicious of her also made her furious. This is the first time in her life she didn't get what she wanted. So, she is not only jealous of ML but she hates her to guts. She has been saying bad things about ML to QH's wife and GTY's stepmom. It seems that people who're jealous of ML and regard her as their enemy since ML didn't comply with their wishes, become close to stepmom. 

She probably lost it when ML was allowed to involve in Sheng's family affairs while she was scolded by SH for wanting to involve in maiden's family affair instead of her own affairs.

 

She and auntie kang are the same. They have unhappy home so that they set to destroy the happines of their sibling. 

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4 hours ago, sava2sava said:

@minglan1  Why is Molan so hell bent on interfering with Minglan matters.. I know it has to be more then her mom tablet reasons.. Even if it steems from jealousy what difference would it make.. It's not like she could marry GTY herself.. Wouldn't it be better for her to accept her Lil Sister married higher then her and to keep a good family relationship with her for the future of her children sake rather then continue to make more of and enemy to Minglan..  

Molan is one of the original villains who has been faithfully playing the part since the start.I guess the writer wanted her to also do the villainous bit with the others in the end.:P

Jokes apart,Molan suffers from a superiority complex wrt her sisters.She had connived to marry as a legal wife of a count.The Shengs were supposed to be in awe of her position and revere it.

Instead ML steals her thunder in addition enjoys her husband's steadfast devotion, has birthed a male heir..Even Rulan managed to get a loyal and loving husband.Molan has to get even or make their lives as miserable as hers...Therein lies her solace.

 

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8 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

She and auntie kang are the same. They have unhappy home so that they set to destroy the happines of their sibling. 

Both these ladies are cut from the same cloth.They consider themselves to be better than others.This is how they have been raised.How can others enjoy anything better than them? They will not let this anomaly happen.If needed they will personally change the situation in their favor or cause trouble/harm to those who managed to obtain benefits better than them.

It can be anyone a friend, relative, sibling....

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8 hours ago, Suzzy San said:

So true, if you want to understand a little, you can go watch ep 74 TV version, the full scene is there.. Prepare some tissues though, it sure made me cry, because I feel that scene showed how the high and mighty GTY crumbled in the embrace of his wife :bawling:

@m0us3y @zenya22

GTY was happy and gleeful and wanted to know the details account of the event when he heard from Huan Wang that ML went to meet empress (in disguise as Mrs. Shen's maid) and caused ruckus at empress' chamber to let GTY go home that his mom agreed to let ML see GTY and give him necessity items. Since Huan Wang wasn't present at the time ML begged the empress, GTY asked him to go bring the person who was present at the scene and could tell him in details. He said ML never lost her composure in front of him before. 

However, I think he was sincere in asking her to have mutual separation (not a test) as he said that he can marry her again after his suituation and punishment have been sorted out. He was also very emotional and choked with tears during that conversation.

Although we haven't seen exactly what will happen, from what ML, Molan and stepmom said in preview, GTY lost his title and drafted as a solider to fight before he was exiled (He was supposed to get exile in Autum), then how ML could continue live in Chen garden, house bestowed to GTY for his achievement? Whether it is part of emperor's grand plan or not, GTY is not just only demoted, he is a convicted official. In this kind of case, his former bestowed property as well as Gu manor will be taken back even if his family wasn't punished along with him. 

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5 hours ago, sava2sava said:

Yes @jongski I'm watching this one also.. I haven't watch any Kdrama because I've been so invested in this one also the thread for the past few weeks.. Also seeing @lclarakl  Has drop in, Hello,  

 

@sava2sava and @jongski, Hello chingus! Yes, I'm here and really loving this thread. It's nice to have a good group on a thread that's so engaged in the drama--especially a long drama. Then again, this is probably this best long drama I've seen in a while. I started marathoning this drama on Thursday and couldn't stop until the most recent episode.

 

I'm a romantic at heart so this drama really sucked me in with its strong male lead and strong female lead. I have to say that it's refreshing to see ML nor GTY taking any crap from people--especially, the family. Now I want to watch another drama that's up to this caliber.  

Spoiler

I about to start Story of Yanxi Palace. 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

In this kind of case, his former bestowed property as well as Gu manor will be taken back even if his family wasn't punished along with him. 

@Golden FlowerAll his property and the Gu manor will be taken back by the emperor as imperial property? Then Madam Qin will have no place to stay then? Will she be driven out of the Gu Manor in that case? Could she not have foreseen that? It would be so nice to see Madam Qin thrown out if that were to happen?

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1 hour ago, Golden Flower said:

@m0us3y @zenya22

GTY was happy and gleeful and wanted to know the details account of the event when he heard from Huan Wang that ML went to meet empress (in disguise as Mrs. Shen's maid) and caused ruckus at empress' chamber to release GTY that his mom agreed to let ML see GTY. Since Huan Wang wasn't present at the time ML begged the empress, GTY asked him to go bring the person who was present at the scence and could tell him in details. He said ML never lost her composure before. 

However, I think he was sincere in asking her to have mutual separation (not a test) as he said that he can marry her again after his suituation and punishment have been sorted out.

Although we haven't seen exactly what will happen, from what ML, Molan and stepmom said in preview, GTY lost his title and drafted as a solider to fight before he was exiled (He was supposed to get exile in Autum), then how ML could continue live in Chen garden, house bestowed to GTY for his achievement? Whether it is part of emperor's grand plan or not, GTY is not just only demoted, he is a convicted official. In this kind of case, his former bestowed property as well as Gu manor will be taken back even if his family wasn't punished along with him. 

I think we have to wait for the episodes to fully understand.. But I think the house wasn't taken back or so.. Let's just wait to see.. 

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33 minutes ago, lclarakl said:

 

@sava2sava and @jongski, Hello chingus! Yes, I'm here and really loving this thread. It's nice to have a good group on a thread that's so engaged in the drama--especially a long drama. Then again, this is probably this best long drama I've seen in a while. I started marathoning this drama on Thursday and couldn't stop until the most recent episode.

 

I'm a romantic at heart so this drama really sucked me in with its strong male lead and strong female lead. I have to say that it's refreshing to see ML nor GTY taking any crap from people--especially, the family. Now I want to watch another drama that's up to this caliber. 

 

 

@lclarakl a warm hello fm me too.. 

 

After seeing what happened to her late mum n stepmom, I am sure Molan knew her father and CB will not go easy on her. 

 

Molan has too much pride.. who knows she may hang herself (not out of self pity but to spite everyone?)

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Characters like Molan and Aunti Kang are detestable, but I'm more angry at their parents, mothers who destroy their daughters' lives in the name of love and the near non-existent father roles. It makes me wonder how they would change if they had been raised and loved by someone similar to Grandma, or how ML would turn out if she hadn't grow up beside her. Many villains in this drama are just products of the era, how a distorted social system traps and drives people crazy. It's a system that can enlarge the darkness in human hearts and those with weak resolve and faulty moral compass will succumb to jealousy and greed. I hate them and at the same time pity them.

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