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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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Somehow the book's GTY has become the ML in the drama, a little bit, and the ML in the drama is like GTY in the book.. So funny and interesting :wub:

Thank you for translating the two climax between them in the novel.. I wish they have recreated some of the dialouges in the drama.. But I'm still OK with the one they gave us.. -_-

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1 hour ago, Golden Flower said:

@dito I’m in same boat as you. I’m watching this drama because it was daylight entertainment production and thought TSoML writers were the same from BOC but I just checked wiki now and they weren’t. I thought BOC writing was better and logical with no much plot holes compared to current TSoML as it kept me interested to continue watching next episode though genre (family drama set during Japanese war) was not my cup of tea. I wasn’t interested in BOC in the beginning even with Wallace Huo and reading synopsis and watching interviews. I ended up watching it accidentally on YouTube after it was aired and I was hooked. LMIYD writer was Hai Yan who is original novelist and writer of NIF1/2 but Dingmo was novelist for LMIYD. 

@linhlinh111 I agree with your theory of involving original novel writer but there are dramas like Bu Bu Jing Xin and sound of desert turn out great with original storyline intact though original novelist wasn’t involved in production. I think making  drama too long by adding a lot of additional plots as well as including almost every side characters is another major issue making some dramas draggy and unappealing. You mentioned you were worried about main leads as none of the main leads weren’t recognized for their acting, are you including ZYL? I thought his acting was great and recognized in Love Three Lives (though it wasn't extremely popular drama) and Legend of Mie Yue. I haven't watched and didn't plan to watch Guardian but have watched a couple of his older second lead dramas where I thought he has acting talent. I didn't know him at all when I watched LTL accidentally but ended up watching till end because of his character and acting. It is suprising for me as I avoid Republican and warload era genres. 

 

Also, back to our conversation two weeks ago about GTW. Since he left or planning to leave Hou Fu and was falling out with his mom, I'm thinking they might not turn him into vallain by making him involve in attack to Chen Yuan during second rebellion? 

 

Both were 36 epis. So no unnecessary dragging. Which helped keep the narrative tight . I agree BOC was still better narratively...even with some flaws. And why would Haiyan write screenplay for Dingmo's books. Can't they hire Dingmo to write. No wonder the characters felt different from the book.  

And even I went and checked the writers on wiki:lol:

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Would someone please message me the site with the latest episodes from the us...Ty!

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1 minute ago, jwhite said:

Would someone please message me the site with the latest episodes from the us...Ty!

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I really have said this before but I want to say it again, really thank you to QH for helping with the fire.. I really respect him and admire him more than ever.. That was a wonderful deed that wasn't done with any hidden motive but a sincere motive of saving people.. Qh's character has really became a wonderful, clear headed, understanding and matured one over time.. I love that :heart:

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On 2/7/2019 at 9:22 PM, Suzzy San said:

I'm so happy that I'm crying really.. So glad she gave birth safely, so thankful to QH for helping with the fire, so happy that GTY came back on time, so grateful to all those that helped her fight of the Kang auntie and helped her in giving birth, so thankful to their son for staying strong.. In all, I'm so happy for them :bawling:


Yes, there are so many thankful events happening to Ming Lan although her life has always been in the war zones with one crisis after another. She has all these blessings and many helps from people around her such as QH, whose heart was broken, yet still comes to her rescue; people who she sincerely helps and protects such as Madame Zhang; all her maids; and everyone else who is around her or somehow connected to her; and of course, her grandma and her dear husband. 

"Live your life in such a way that if someone spoke badly of you, no one would believe it. "  And may I add,
" Instead, they would come to be on your side."

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Omg omg :thumbsup:.. I really applaud GTY in terms of no strings attached cruelty.. Like he got to the house and has already told shitou to set fire to stepmom son's house.. I love that.. Fire for fire.. And I agree with the wife of her son, she really doesn't care about the son's needs.. It has always been about what she wants the son to be. 

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I really want to believe that the emperor is playing dumb because if he is not, he is really a muddled emperor.. Even to the point of accusing the empress of wishing him illness so that prince Huan can be on the throne with the help of GTY.. That's such a delusional thoughts that shouldn't come to the mind of a wise king.. Please I hope the writers are just making him play dumb 

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36 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

I really want to believe that the emperor is playing dumb because if he is not, he is really a muddled emperor.. Even to the point of accusing the empress of wishing him illness so that prince Huan can be on the throne with the help of GTY.. That's such a delusional thoughts that shouldn't come to the mind of a wise king.. Please I hope the writers are just making him play dumb .

I hope so too..The emperor has been giving mixed signals so I hope he is doing it on purpose.If they turn him dumb I will be very dissapointed.The camera kept panning to the enunch when emperor was giving an earful to the empress.Looked like he was trying to remember and memorize everything to report to ED.

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1 hour ago, minglan1 said:

I hope so too..The emperor has been giving mixed signals so I hope he is doing it on purpose.If they turn him dumb I will be very dissapointed.The camera kept panning to the enunch when emperor was giving an earful to the empress.Looked like he was trying to remember and memorize everything to report to ED.

There is a scene fr mv when the soldiers try to forcefully entered gu's manor and ml with her guards try to prevent it. Later, gty come back wearing his general armour. I deduce that gty was sent away just as a smoke/play to entice ED long awaiting rebellion (as no strong force stood behind emperor with the absence of gty). Gty came back when the rebellion started and quelled it. So, ED's power and her supporters were quashed in one go. Just my speculation 

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26 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

There is a scene fr mv when the soldiers try to forcefully entered gu's manor and ml with her guards try to prevent it. Later, gty come back wearing his general armour. I deduce that gty was sent away just as a smoke/play to entice ED long awaiting rebellion (as no strong force stood behind emperor with the absence of gty). Gty came back when the rebellion started and quelled it. So, ED's power and her supporters were quashed in one go. Just my speculation 

 

 

I hope this is the case.I haven't  been dissapointed in the smart thinking of GTY and ML.To see them haplessly caught in a flimsy web of deceit feels uncharacteristic.Someone had posted a Weibo post of the actor playing emperor stating he isn't dumb.I am trying to remain positive that the ending episodes will be good like the previous ones.

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To me, I can see why they added more to Aunty Kang storyline and switched from MN to Aunty Kang in the attack/fire part. They cut out GTY’s first wife that was in the novel. Her death played a large role in the deaths of Third Gu brother’s family and Stepmom’s downfall (first wife’s family got revenge after finding out Stepmom was behind first wife’s death). Without her, they used the collaboration between Stepmom and Aunty Kang so it may be the Wangs (instead of Yu’s in the novel) that gets revenge on Stepmom when they realize the truth that it was her that used Aunt Kang and got her killed. Not having the first wife also brought about the earlier death of GTY’s illegitimate son since he couldn’t be used like in the novel (attempted adoption under dead first wife’s name by her family). So I saw all this as a way to tie up some of those loose ends. It’s just hard to watch all those baddies banding together but if GTY going away is a plan to flush out ED’s rebellion, I can see all this public display being allowed to play out as a way to hush the critics since it is full disclosure on why GTY should be allowed to split up the branches of the family. MN returning, on the other hand is overkill and should have been cut.  I get that there are probably better ways to do it but there’s not many episodes left to do it in.  Either way I am enjoying this drama :)

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24 minutes ago, hello210 said:

To me, I can see why they added more to Aunty Kang storyline and switched from MN to Aunty Kang in the attack/fire part. They cut out GTY’s first wife that was in the novel. Her death played a large role in the deaths of Third Gu brother’s family and Stepmom’s downfall (first wife’s family got revenge after finding out Stepmom was behind first wife’s death). Without her, they used the collaboration between Stepmom and Aunty Kang. Not having the first wife also brought about the earlier death of GTY’s illegitimate son since he couldn’t be used like in the novel (attempted adoption under dead first wife’s name by her family). So I saw all this as a way to tie up some of those loose ends. It’s just hard to watch all those baddies banding together but if GTY going away is a plan to flush out ED’s rebellion, I can see all this public display being allowed to play out as a way to hush the critics since it is full disclosure on why GTY should be allowed to split up the branches of the family. MN returning, on the other hand is overkill and should have been cut.  I get that there are probably better ways to do it but there’s not many episodes left to do it in.  Either way I am enjoying this drama :)

Thank you for the explanation.I didn't read the book this helps to make sense of the plot.

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LOL at stepmom getting angry at GTY for burning down GTW’s courtyard while all these time she has been trying to kill GTY and ML. At least GTW seems to have a clear head and instead of blaming GTY for the fire at his house, he and his wife blamed the mother instead. As his wife said, GTW tried to have a peaceful life with his brother but mother keeps on interfering. I really hope they keep GTW character and not turning him into a spiteful character like his stepmom, because I think GTW really like GTY but got caught in his mother’s mess. 

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7 hours ago, Suzzy San said:

I really want to believe that the emperor is playing dumb because if he is not, he is really a muddled emperor.. Even to the point of accusing the empress of wishing him illness so that prince Huan can be on the throne with the help of GTY.. That's such a delusional thoughts that shouldn't come to the mind of a wise king.. Please I hope the writers are just making him play dumb 

@Suzzy San me thinks that the emperor has got a plan or using a strategem to create something from nothing as in acting angry with GTY, CB and Prince Huan and make the Dowager's camp believe in the emperor's suspicion of Prince Huan, his accusation of the empress conspiring to make her son, Prince Huan the heir to the throne and the emperor being muddled because of his headaches. I am not sure if the empress is part of the act but maybe she is, since she was the one who mentioned that the emperor had a headache  The emperor  was yelling loudly knowing that the eunuch was listening, and it was the same eunuch who gave the imperial edict to TY to report to the emperor.  Knowing TY the emperor would not expect TY to report to him when his house is on fire. The eunuch he sent with his edict will report that TY will not comply which will make the emperor act mad and the eunuch will report to the dowager and the concubine who came running in with snacks.  In other words the emperor could be baiting the Dowager Empress to believe the lie and make the dowager react by showing her hand, and exposing her supporters.  When that happens, the emperor's team will know how and where to attack. Remember that there are strategists in emperor's team. Chang Bai, Ming Lan and Ting Ye. General Shen has also layed low since that concubine incident but he may secretly be in contact with TY and Prince Huan. Chang Bai has also taken center stage and maybe be the emperor's chief strategist at the moment and he and Ting Ye devised the plan with the emperor? Did not the actor playing the emperor swear that the emperor is not muddled? However, I looked at the trailers posted and it seems TY is in prison and General Shen and his wife are not able to help? but crossing my fingers.

 

I hope that by now Yuan Ruo realizes the intentions of the dowager and help with the emperor's team or at least stop supporting the dowager.

 

Every episode have conversations that question family values that when adhered to strictly destroys families

 

@minoku2209the trailer shows a flashback of the young ML holding the embroidery that her mother gave her of the Princess Zhao general who helped her father to become king, and giving that embroidery to the young GTY. It seems that finally, GTY presents it back to ML and that scene will be played out in the dowager's rebellion? 

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So funny when Gu 3rd son's wife told her mother in law that the flicker of fire that burned their courtyard was in the form of a tall man named Sitou.

 

I think the Emperor and Empress is staging an act for the Empress Dowager benefit.

 

Gu Ting Ye, Ming Lan and baby family moments is so lovely to watch.

 

Gu Ting Ye got the reaction he wanted from Ming Lan when she questioned him on Mistress Wei.

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5 hours ago, minoku2209 said:

1) Congrats TSoML team.

2) Updt extended tv airing sched to 13 Feb

 

 

 

3 hours ago, leeza77 said:

Webcast reached 10 billions

 
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So happy for the team :bawling: I remember many were skeptical and already deemed the drama as boring etc from the early episodes, some even joyfully said yingbao is declining <_<

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