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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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10 hours ago, dito said:

Another person scarred by PA...nice to meet you.:lol:

PA was the reason I stopped watching Chinese dramas for a few years. That drama's name should be "How to screw over the fans".

I completely agree with you! Nice to meet you too!

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6 hours ago, Suzzy San said:

Thankfully I think that GTY went to have a sincere talk with him before the frame up after he helped with the fire.. I think they both talked a lot and GTY was like does he now understand things better and QH expression was like he gets it all now.. So I hope he will also help the emperor now too.. 

I do not think QH is currently an official in imperial court as a Yushi. So, QH won't be involved with this accusation towards GTY. QH requested emperor to dismiss him from his office since he didn't believe that ED sign/stamp the approval to call biological father of emperor as imperial father and he himself believe that emperor should call his biological father imperial uncle. Emperor approved his request and dismissed him earlier. 

 

GTY was saying that he and his entire family is thankful to QH for helping with the fire. He then said there are a lot of misunderstandings in the past between them and he also has his own faults. Since it is in the past, let bygone be gone. After that, he encourages QH by saying you are a smart person and you will have your own successful career (he actually used you will have your own sky and land: chinese idiom). GTY then said goodbye indicating he has many things to arrange at home and he will come again with wife, child and gifts to show his sincere thanks to him again. QH said it is unnecessary to do so. Then, GTY turned around said to QH that ED did stamp the letter herself approving emperor to give imperial titles to his father, mother and wives of his father. Basically, GTY was saying ED was just pretending she was forced to sign while being drunk to make QH believe that emperor and his group are doing unlawful stuff to create disturbance in court. (Their conversation was nothing about ML) 

 

7 hours ago, shihuangdi said:

OK, we now have an additional evil here. That old madam Wang. I mean how could she just throw her other daughter under the bus just to save her favourite daughter? And not just her daughter but also her grandchildren as well :skull:

Actually, at first, old Madam Wang was siding over with Daniang and going to make Aunty Kang admit her fault when she slapped her. Then, she was guilt-tripped by Aunty Kang saying that her marriage was arranged by her parents and it was very painful and troublesome one that she did not have a good life. She blamed her parents for her marriage and that the old Madam is responsible to save her. If she is found guilty of doing something bad, her husband will divorce her and her children will be in trouble. Aunty Kang also give the old Madam idea by saying her younger sister won't be in trouble as she has successful son and daughters who were married up and that Sheng family won't do anything to Daniang. That was the reason old Madam ended up trying to bargain SH and ML on livelihoods of Daniang children using Daniang as someone who actually send the poison to the grandma if this case was brought up to the court.

When Daniang got really angry at her and said that just to regard herself having only one daughter, Old Madam Wang actually said that she was just using tactics so that SH and ML go easy on Kang but she wasn't going to really ignore Daniang. 

 

3 hours ago, sava2sava said:

@m0us3y  Yes forgot about that logic, ML called it for Auntie Kang husband don't know of this because the old lady knows he would be filling divorce papers.. They came to clear the mess before he found out.. They been cleaning up her mess to keep her out of they house.. Both the Old Lady and Son knows of what she do and never giving any thought of the consequences because they've always cleaned up her mess.. With each incident her crimes had become more ruthless and violent then the other.. As long as she stayed married to the Kang house and not implicate the Wang house they would do whatever they had to just to keep the clan clean and intact.. Old Lady Wang could careless about Kang Clan.. Which I couldn't understand Aunt Kang son he is born under the Kang family name if they are to be executed so would he do he not know this.. He still hasn't figured out his mom could be the death of them all.. He should have told SH CB and ML I think my father needs to be here for this one. God forbid If she went back home only to pull stunts because everyone marriages are better then hers so hence she must go stir up trouble all because she's not happy and put the Wang Clan in the hot seat running her fathers good name with the court.. Old Lady Wang don't wanna be bothered with her.. Fearing the clan heads will roll behind her..  

I don't think in the beginning, Wang family knows of Aunty Kang's involvement in poisoning Sheng grandma. It was Aunty Kang's maid Qiu mama who told the son to go to Wang family and bring Old Madam, aunt and uncle to Sheng house as she probably know something is up when her own two sons, Aunty Kang and maids did not come home overnight. Qiu mama probably told the son not to tell his father. Yes, after Wang old Madam found out Aunty Kang's involvement and guilt-tripped by Aunty Kang blaming her for her bad marriage, Old Madam starts using strategies in her talk to save her daughter.

The Old Madam Wang must be saving and cleaning up Aunty Kang's masses all long because her daughter has been threatening and making her guilty by saying her life is miserable with husband who doesn't care, love or respect her but took in many concubines. People Aunty Kang has killed are her husband pregnant concubines and maids. 

 

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41 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

Wang son is at least third grade official since he is wearing purple robe similar rank as GTY though GTY has noble title. The officials from grade 1 to 3 seems to wear purple but they are then divided into scholar, military and having nobility title. I guess he just got promoted to this grade and was the reason they were being able to move back to the capital. Wang dead grandfather is imperial grand tutor and his spiritual tablet was placed in imperial temple as an honor. So, his wife Wang grandma also has noble title. The son is not as powerful like his father. Aunty Kang's husband is imperial secretary. SH is part of office related to making laws, announcing laws and imperial decrees. I guess an official being able to reside at the capital not all depends on the rank but also depends on their offices. 

 

Aunty Kang's room was locked and shui niang (Lin Yiniang's old maid) broke it open with stone. She also made the mama who were guarding to leave to help with fire. Molan paid her to do that and I'm pretty sure Shui niang might have bribed some others as well. Shui niang is also the one that started the fire. She was supposed to do laboral chores like cleaning the toilet bowls, starting fire, doing errands for the kitchen etc. I think the water she used to kill the fire as soon as it started must not be water as fire got bigger after. 

However, I agree that there are a lot of plot holes. GTY could have avoided killing Aunty Kang with his ability in martial arts. He could have knocked her out with throwing unsheathed knife to her head even if he wasn't close enough to pull her away from ML when he arrived. The writers changed Aunty Kang stabbing ML instead of MN, GTY killing her and Wang family joining hands with stepmom to create opportunities for ML to save GTY, to make them closer, and to show their feelings to each other. Another OTP working together scene which is again forced. 

@Golden Flower  How is it that Wang son became and official when he hadn't took the exams yet.. I remember him telling Aunt Kang he would pass with his own abilities.. All I could think of is when outsiders come into the palace to meet the King, ED or the Empress they are strip search to avoid anything that could be used as a weapon to do bodily harm.. 

 

Checking out ep 67.. It seems that GTY told evil step mom that he was going to kill his 3rd brother.. Looks like the wife left after telling Evil mother in-law a thing or two for involving her husband in such a horrible plan.. Evil step mom and servants has no place to go after the main house is burnt to the ground.. It seems like she's also trying to enlist the 4th anf 5th house in on the plan to frame GTY and I don't think they going for it afterall they still rely in GTY to support them.. Even if GTY goes to prison his son is around to carry the title and ML could be the guardian of it all until son comes of age or GTY gets out of prison.. So Evil step mom has no other choice but to gang up with the Wangs to go after GTY.. Old Mdm Wang knows her daughter was there to exact revenge on ML but may have got the idea to frame GTy and ask for compensation from evil step mom who needs money to survive because she's homeless and son on the run.. Well it's getting more interesting by the minute.. I like to see what our sherlock holmes will do to get her out out of the hot seat and have the Emperor giving the green light to breakup the houses..

 

Now I do think the 3rd brother is going to be found and begging for his life in exchange for exile he'll spill the beans on how awful is mom was right along in telling on the 4th anf 5th house.. He's going to tell about how Aunt kang was at his mom house and she's the one that got her into GTY house just after ML just giving birth and gave her the knife to kill ML and the baby so he could inherit the title..  I see how this could make the Ed loose face and not allowed to attend any of the court matters for falling for Old Mdm lies it would serve her right..

 

I think Molam got involved after she went begging her dad again about her mom and he said no.. I'm sure I herad him mention her lil sister isn't going to agree to it.. This could also be apart of her plan to be in on setting ML house on fire all so the evidence that ML has would be burnt..  

 

 

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13 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

brief translation...

 

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First, stepmom was persuading 4th family couple to join hands with her threatening that they have done many bad deeds and blamed them on GTY before and GTY would not favor them in the future. Both Wang mother and son are appealing to emperor about GTY killing Aunty Kang. The step-mom is saying Aunty Kang went to ML's house just to help rescue fire and fire at GTY's house was accident. However, GTY sent his subordinate Shitou to burn down her son't courtyard. At the end, a minister was telling emperor that though GTY is new imperial supporter, but he has killed old minister's daughter and he can't be set free without getting punished. ML was saying GTY got into trouble because of her and her Sheng family (Aunty Kang and her involvement with grandma poisoning). GTY said it is not true. His relatives will attempt to kill him no matter what and send Aunty Kang to kill him. His life will be nothing without ML and he feels his life is meaningful by waking up every morning with ML next to him.

 

@Golden Flower... Thanks for the brief translation. I really hate GTY’s step mom  and I wonder these people who are following her around are so dumb. Now they will have to be ready to face whatever he throws at them in the future. GTY’s eldest brother is no longer there to protect them. Smh smh 

 

@dito.... You are  correct, the writing is not the best but this drama land for sure. A lot of things are done that doesn’t make sense. Now if this was a crime drama, these loopholes would not be written in the drama in my opinion. I hope this make sense to you... :D

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6 hours ago, Suzzy San said:

Thankfully I think that GTY went to have a sincere talk with him before the frame up after he helped with the fire.. I think they both talked a lot and GTY was like does he now understand things better and QH expression was like he gets it all now.. So I hope he will also help the emperor now too.. 

A fresh start post the awkwardness of the past.QH has been 2nd lead in the story so he should have some helpful contribution to the climax.They can't leave his character dangling without proper closure.

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8 hours ago, Suzzy San said:

I finally get why the Wang family can appear in court, so it seems the father is dead but before he died he was one of the most important official that has received a lot of accolades for his good deeds for the nation, so I think in addition to getting help from the Ed, they also used the many deeds the dead father did for the nation to get an audience and to make people pay attention to their crappy complaints.. So sad that the father did good but his generations just ruined his deeds for bad things.. Like the father was even given privilege to be worshipped in the royal ancestral hall.. Omg.. They definitely are very close to imperial.. Grandma already envisioned that GTY will kill Kang auntie and it will lead to political obstacles.. Wow Sheng grandma is really so clever.. I love how she called GTY a man with violent temper and ML someone that holds grudges.. Truly the power couple 

 

Sheng grandma was saying GTY is a man with temper as well as who holds grudge. She wasn't talking about ML. 

2 hours ago, leeza77 said:

I like the otp and their scene. The more the better. As the title is The Story of Minglan, of course Ml and her otp take the centre of the drama. 

I like the drama and i don't care whether it's different with the novel or not and I read the novel too. The changes make the drama more exciting and fulfilling. 

I don't want and expect the drama to be the same as book. I'm not a novel fan don't even remember the details towards the end.  I want to have OTP interactions and scenes too but in logical plots so that OTPs as well as all the characters don't seem like retards. So far from preview, ED, stepmom and Wang family whole gimmicks are all nonsense and GTY got jailed and demoted for this? A lot of people are complaining for confusing plot. I guess we have to see tonight's episode. ML being so smart didn't think of checking the stepmom side of the house for Aunty Kang after stepmom asking Aunty Kang's shu daughter as concubine for GTY, and then asking Zhao'er to harm herself and then kill herself at Cheng Ruan? 

Well, I guess it can also be said it is payback time for GTY who has always been rush, didn't give a care to consider consequences, and how he blamed QH again and again for not taking risk to go against Yong Wang family in not getting ML. Now, he is making ML who has just given birth suffers for his rush decision in killing someone, even making her faint in getting justice for him and even down to the point to ask her for amicable separation.  

 

6 hours ago, sava2sava said:

 

@dito  Just as you said this is playing in the viewers intellegence.. Yes I could see the ED trying to frame GTY in regards to the salt mines but that would be still hard to prove because he never directly handle the mines all knows that he's the owner not the manager..  This big plot hole is unacceptable framing him for Aunt Kamgs murder.. I know step mom can't be this dumb as to go with the plot for a law suit when the other Shu daughter that Aunt Kang tried to offer to ML for GTY at Aunt Kang request can testify that Aunt Kang wanted her to kill herself just so she can frame ML for it and sue them killing ML.. Which Big Mdm (Danning) Evil Step Mom was all in on the plot.. Old Mdm is just mad and complaining about Aunt Kang being dead out of guilt.. How is it that GTY killed Aunt Kang in the court yard when she was in ML bedroom.. I guess she's (Evil Step Mom) claiming she witness GTY just kill this women for no reason..   

 

Wait GTY is supposed to save the Emperor again and regain his title how is this supposed to happen for him if he get's exiled and become a foot soilder.?

 

The step-mom was just saying Aunty Kang went to GTY's courtyard to help put out the fire. She didn't say she witness the murder or GTY killed Kang in his courtyard. 

Emperor biggest ambition is to gain back 16 prefectures (燕云十六州), a historical region in northern China along the Great Wall which is traditionally considered part of China in Han and Tang dynasties, from Khitans led Liao Dynasty. About those 16 prefectures were discussed in ep1 by young GTY and young CB when GTY requested to look at CB's map. They also talked out taking those 16 prefectures back as a scholar official and general when they grew up. When emperor was pissed at GTY for not showing up at the palace to report about salt inspection tour, he told empress that he still needed to use GTY in gaining those 16 prefectures back and he would punish him after that. The emperor also said that his health is still good and he won't die before getting back those lands so that he can face his dead ancestors. So, emperor might be sending GTY to northeast to gain those lands back from Khitans. However, in actual history, 16 prefectures were taken by Jin dynasty from Khitans in early 1120s and Song dynasty were able to take them from Jin in 1123 which is after Yingzhong reign (1063-1067). So, not sure the drama is going to fast forward and use events from 63 years later for GTY to come back successfully with gaining the lands back from Khitans?  

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1 hour ago, sava2sava said:

@Golden Flower  How is it that Wang son became and official when he hadn't took the exams yet.. I remember him telling Aunt Kang he would pass with his own abilities.. All I could think of is when outsiders come into the palace to meet the King, ED or the Empress they are strip search to avoid anything that could be used as a weapon to do bodily harm.. 

I thought @dito was asking about Daniang and Aunty Kang's old brother, the son of Old Madam Wang.  If you're talking about Aunty Kang's son, you should call him Kang's son as his father is Mr. Kang. He already passed the exam and also an official though position probably not high. His mom was saying she would ask her brother to pull some favor for him to get position outside of the capital (I think you get promoted quickly if you assume position like county administrator) outside the capital. Even if he is not an officer, he could have come in support for his grandma and uncle as well as on behalf of his father. 4th uncle Gu came with stepmom even though he is not an official though he is a son of old Marquis (GTY's grandfather). 

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I am dumbfounded by Aunt Kang's laying guilt on her mother, the old Madame Wang, for the failure of her own marriage and trying to pressure her mother into helping her because she might be divorced by her husband and her son would get misfortune if her crime got spread out.  Why would her failed marriage life have anything to do with getting away with murder?
Regardless, a crime especially of murder in this case must be handled in a justified manner.  I just can't believe that she expected to get away with it not to mention that this was a severe crime against the elder old Madame Sheng, the only daughter of Marquis of Yongyi.
 

Moreover, old Madame Wang and her son argued so much trying to help the criminal Aunt Kang, but both uttered no sound to a very simple question, " How many lives have died in the hands of Mrs. Kang ( Aunt Kang )?"

I am very proud of Changbai. He handled the case with justification, not only toward his Aunt, but also toward his own mother.

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7 hours ago, nichiwoohee said:

Y’all talking about traumatized by PA (thankfully I stopped watching after CQ got poisoned) while I’m over here still confused how they could made a whole new story with princess weiyoung... the male lead not even the same :w00t:

 

I was excited when Princess Weiyoung adaptation was first announced. Just like Minglan, I read that book before the drama was announced. Then I read the plot summary....imagine my horror when ToubaJun was listed as the main lead. The person Weiyoung hated the most. The person she felt disgusted even to be in the presence of. I'd have been fine with Touba Yu as the main lead if not MinDe. 

 

5 hours ago, nrbrown said:

Ever watched Pride and Prejudice the series? The one with Colin Firth? There is a scene  in which Colin Firth who plays Mr Darcy jumps into a pond with clothes and all. Comes out with wet transparent clothes. A VERY memorable moment. :w00t: Was NOT in the book tho. Jane Austen, the writer, was a virgin in late 1700’s-1800 England.

Sex sells...brings high ratings (unfortunately or fortunately). Take it with a grain of salt. The Story of Ming Lin,  has it flaws yes. But the overall acting, plot etc in my opinion diffuses it (the flaws). 

 

They should have kept the original scene from the book....Molan coming out wet from the water.

Though that wouldn't have caused the same furore as the one Colin Firth caused in his wet shirt in P&P.:blush:

I agree with @minglan1 that 1995 TV version is the best P&P ever.

 

Anyways, I have to admit with all its inaccuracies and hard to make sense plot twists....this drama is still much better than the others out there. 

I just have to stop watching the freaking previews. They are seriously stressing me out.

But I'm a spoiler addict ...can't help but have a peek.:grimace:

 

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18 minutes ago, dito said:

They should have kept the original scene from the book....Molan coming out wet from the water.

Though that wouldn't have caused the same furore as the one Colin Firth caused in his wet shirt in P&P.:blush:

I agree with @minglan1 that 1995 TV version is the best P&P ever.

 

Anyways, I have to admit with all its inaccuracies and hard to make sense plot twists....this drama is still much better than the others out there. 

I just have to stop watching the freaking previews. They are seriously stressing me out.

But I'm a spoiler addict ...can't help but have a peek.:grimace:

 

:lol: Agree on the furor part.Fans love  to disagree then watch it meticulously to disagree some more.

This is my 1st foray into watching chinese drama and it has me hooked even when I don't understand the language well.

I haven't  felt too bored even after watching over 60 episodes.

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Men during this era (and this drama) wr seen as priced commodity... women and their families ... (parents, family clans, legal wives, daughters, concubines, single ladies, maids including prostitutes!) clamouring to be favored by them... 

 

GTY with his loose history wth women, a mistress and two kids still happily got himself a virgin bride plus constantly being offered concubines.

 

QH while yearning for his childhood sweetheart, also is married twice, another lady murdered to have QH for their daughter.

 

Other men, whether like or hate their legal wives can keep as many concubines to their hearts desires.

 

Must be really difficult to be a woman during those times.

 

 

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55 minutes ago, minglan1 said:

:lol: Agree on the furor part.Fans love  to disagree then watch it meticulously to disagree some more.

This is my 1st foray into watching chinese drama and it has me hooked even when I don't understand the language well.

I haven't  felt too bored even after watching over 60 episodes.

 

Its fortunate you started your Cdrama journey with this show. Believe me there are shows that are so badly written and directed, it would have made you swear off Cdramas forever.

I myself was fortunate enough to have started with one of the best Cdramas ever....Nirvana In Fire. 

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1 hour ago, dancingbee said:

I am dumbfounded by Aunt Kang's laying guilt on her mother, the old Madame Wang, for the failure of her own marriage and trying to pressure her mother into helping her because she might be divorced by her husband and her son would get misfortune if her crime got spread out.  Why would her failed marriage life have anything to do with getting away with murder?
Regardless, a crime especially of murder in this case must be handled in a justify manner.  I just can't believe that she expected to get away with it not to mention that this was a severe crime against the elder old Madame Sheng, the only daughter of Marquis of Yongyi.
 

Moreover, Old Madame Wang and her son argued so much trying to help the criminal Aunt Kang, but both uttered no sound to a very simple question, " How many lives have died in the hands of Mrs. Kang ( Aunt Kang )?"

I am very proud of Changbai. He handled the case with justification, not only toward his Aunt, but also toward his own mother.

Agreed. I was irritated with the whole scene.. documented evidence and witnesses all put forward and the victim is on deathbed. However the accused and families wr making all the noises and doing all the crying??

 

The main issue was proven without doubt the intent and conspiring by both daughters to murder an innocent.

 

SH really looked like a fool during this whole incidence.. swaying left centre and right.

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4 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

The writers changed Aunty Kang stabbing ML instead of MN, GTY killing her and Wang family joining hands with stepmom to create opportunities for ML to save GTY, to make them closer, and to show their feelings to each other. Another OTP working together scene which is again forced. 

 

I actually like this change from the novel. Manniang the brainless villain overstayed in the novel and would have been boring by now in the drama.

 

Now we have the battle of the familes and some delicious suspense as we don't know how it  plays out. Old Madam Kang vs ML is way better than Manniang or even Stepmom vs ML.

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2 hours ago, dito said:

 

I was excited when Princess Weiyoung adaptation was first announced. Just like Minglan, I read that book before the drama was announced. Then I read the plot summary....imagine my horror when ToubaJun was listed as the main lead. The person Weiyoung hated the most. The person she felt disgusted even to be in the presence of. I'd have been fine with Touba Yu as the main lead if not MinDe. 

Lucky me, I only read very beginning of Princess Weiyoung only know about little MinDe. I thought the drama is ok but there are of course weird plot issues. However, I can't stand acting of some actors like Li Changle in there but OTP chemistry was over the top and I also like Vanness Wu acting as Touba Yu. Have you watched sound of the desert? I think the drama was very similar to the novel as well as flow and logic were good except needing to change the Huo Qubing's name due to SCRTV rules. I think Singing all Along 秀丽江山 was very similar to the novel too except they left some characters out from the later part of the novel. I like actings of all actors in both drama. I hated Yun Zhong Ge adaptation and only finish up to drama midway though it wasn't my favorite novel.

@dito your idea about illegal salt related thing might become part of it. In one of the previews, I saw GTY's Bai uncle talking with stepmom in the horse carriage and in yesterday's episode, she also told her maid to get that Bai uncle to come over to the capital. 

13 hours ago, huahuacaocao said:

Really confused about QH's wife. Looked on Wikipedia and it said that he's on his second wife, what happened to the first wife and why did he marry the second wife? I remember her family blackmailed Qi family to marry QH. Also is second wife related to the Shen family whose had trouble delivering her baby? Man this drama is very complex :sweatingbullets:

QH's second wife's last name Shen chinese character(申)  is different from empress and general Shen last name character (沈). General Shen wife is the one who was having difficulty in delivery and her last name is Zhang. She is daughter of Yin Guo Gong. 

45 minutes ago, mooose said:

 

I actually like this change from the novel. Manniang the brainless villain overstayed in the novel and would have been boring by now in the drama.

 

Now we have the battle of the familes and some delicious suspense as we don't know how it  plays out. Old Madam Kang vs ML is way better than Manniang or even Stepmom vs ML.

I wasn't saying I didn't like the fact that they changed it to Aunty Kang from MN. I just did not understand why are they making about Wang family and stepmom combininging forces to sue GTY in front of the emperor as a plot to bring down to GTY leading him to be imprisoned. It has been shown that old wang Madam knows stepmom was not being sincere and using her daughter. Aunty Kang is a convict that was supposed to send to a place similar to prison. With GTY's martial art ability, he could have prevented Aunty Kang from hurting ML without killing her. Then, there are also witness who saw and defended Aunty Kang from attempting to kill ML. What is the purpose of showing the conversations between ED and Wang old Madam, Wang old Madam and her son and Old Madam and her son again paying respect to ED for whole 10 minutes. In the beginning, I thought ED was denying Wang family request saying their family no longer has power and GTY is in stronger position as he is one of close aides to new Emperor. She asked them to leave and Wang mother and son talked in a noddle shop. Their conversation is very similar saying their family status is not as high as when Old Mr. Wang was alive. She then blame the son for not being outstanding to pave ways for his children like his father did for him. Her son wants to prevent her from continuing to get justice for his sister's death since three families with officials are already good. She then argues that he wasn't only doing it for her daughter but also for the face of Wang family. At the end, she forced him to make decision on what he wants to do about his sister's case and she will support him. Then, it leads to both of them listening to ED saying GTY is the instigator to instill idea of calling both biological father and adoptive father as imperial father in emperor's head. The emperor can be forgiven because of his status but GTY cannot be....something like that. I just feel the whole thing sounds ridiculous since there are testimony of people for Aunty Kang harming grandma and even official letter to accept her into prison, unless they add additional convictions to GTY's name. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Golden Flower said:

Lucky me, I only read very beginning of Princess Weiyoung only know about little MinDe. I thought the drama is ok but there are of course weird plot issues. However, I can't stand acting of some actors like Li Changle in there but OTP chemistry was over the top and I also like Vanness Wu acting as Touba Yu. Have you watched sound of the desert? I think the drama was very similar to the novel as well as flow and logic were good except needing to change the Huo Qubing's name due to SCRTV rules. I think Singing all Along 秀丽江山 was very similar to the novel too except they left some characters out from the later part of the novel. I like actings of all actors in both drama. I hated Yun Zhong Ge adaptation and only finish up to drama midway though it wasn't my favorite novel.

@dito your idea about illegal salt related thing might become part of it. In one of the previews, I saw GTY's Bai uncle talking with stepmom in the horse carriage and in yesterday's episode, she also told her maid to get that Bai uncle to come over to the capital

 

I wasn't saying I didn't like the fact that they changed it to Aunty Kang from MN. I just did not understand why are they making about Wang family and stepmom combininging forces to sue GTY in front of the emperor as a plot to bring down to GTY leading him to be imprisoned. It has been shown that old wang Madam knows stepmom was not being sincere and using her daughter. Aunty Kang is a convict that was supposed to send to a place similar to prison. With GTY's martial art ability, he could have prevented Aunty Kang from hurting ML without killing her. Then, there are also witness who saw and defended Aunty Kang from attempting to kill ML. What is the purpose of showing the conversations between ED and Wang old Madam, Wang old Madam and her son and Old Madam and her son again paying respect to ED for whole 10 minutes. In the beginning, I thought ED was denying Wang family request saying their family no longer has power and GTY is in stronger position as he is one of close aides to new Emperor. She asked them to leave and Wang mother and son talked in a noddle shop. Their conversation is very similar saying their family status is not as high as when Old Mr. Wang was alive. She then blame the son for not being outstanding to pave ways for his children like his father did for him. Her son wants to prevent her from continuing to get justice for his sister's death since three families with officials are already good. She then argues that he wasn't only doing it for her daughter but also for the face of Wang family. At the end, she forced him to make decision on what he wants to do about his sister's case and she will support him. Then, it leads to both of them listening to ED saying GTY is the instigator to instill idea of calling both biological father and adoptive father as imperial father in emperor's head. The emperor can be forgiven because of his status but GTY cannot be....something like that. I just feel the whole thing sounds ridiculous since there are testimony of people for Aunty Kang harming grandma and even official letter to accept her into prison, unless they add additional convictions to GTY's name. 

 

 

Yes I have. That's another one of my favorites Cdramas. I loved the book too. Loved that the author completely changed the main lead in the later half....as I was already loving HuoQuBing's character since the start. 

I think Sound of the Desert followed the book pretty well....except for some unavoidable changes. It was also only 36 epis so the story was not dragged with all the unnecessary side plots. I appreciate the creators of that drama a lot for this decision. Only peeve I had was Eddie Peng's wig. All through the drama you could see clearly where they glued it on his hairline...distracted the hell out of me.:lol: 

 

About Weiyang....the reason I said Touba Yu as main lead was ok with me was mostly because Touba Yu was crazy about her and because of Vanness Wu:wub:....But he was also somewhat like Qi Heng.

I have not seen the other two so can't comment on that. Was singing all along good? Might give it a try afterwards. Yun Zhong Ge...I read bad reviews and stayed away.....from the book too.

 

They should have gone with Salt mines rather than this Killing Kang Aunt nonsense. We've been hearing since the start how the salt mines management is corrupt, is effecting the economy, etc. So it would be huge deal to get accused over it. And ML saving the day would have been more impactful over that then this issue.

This is like the pre climatic resolutions. Get the family conflicts resolved first to get to the throne conflicts for the end game. And for that they are going to get all the people against GTY to join hands and unload a cart full of charges on him.

You know, this reminds me so much of Legend of LuZhen. One trouble after other for the leads....non stop til the end. 

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1 hour ago, Golden Flower said:

I just did not understand why are they making about Wang family and stepmom combininging forces to sue GTY in front of the emperor as a plot to bring down to GTY leading him to be imprisoned

 

Are you saying the pretext for GTY imprisonment is too flimsy? I think its a great showcase to expose ED and Wang opportunism. Outside the families no one really knows what went on, so it is believable to me that people would think that the Emperor was just coming down hard on GTY because Prince Huan's faction was out of favour.

 

If the writers had used a case was that was more severe, then it would be difficult to explain why he keeps his title and is able to rebound later on. I am not sure why he was imprisoned in the novel?

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50 minutes ago, mooose said:

 

Are you saying the pretext for GTY imprisonment is too flimsy? I think its a great showcase to expose ED and Wang opportunism. Outside the families no one really knows what went on, so it is believable to me that people would think that the Emperor was just coming down hard on GTY because Prince Huan's faction was out of favour.

 

If the writers had used a case was that was more severe, then it would be difficult to explain why he keeps his title and is able to rebound later on. I am not sure why he was imprisoned in the novel?

Exactly, a severe case will be too much to evade but a stupid case made into a severe one will be easier to plot around since it's not exactly a state case.. And even though there might be evidence that Kang auntie tried to kill ML, it will be testified by Ml's trusted aides so they might say they are just supporting ML and the former case of Kang poisoning grandma wasn't reported, the step mom's one statement that she knows nothing of such happening is enough to make everything against GTY, even if everyone knows its a lie 

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1 hour ago, mooose said:

 

Are you saying the pretext for GTY imprisonment is too flimsy? I think its a great showcase to expose ED and Wang opportunism. Outside the families no one really knows what went on, so it is believable to me that people would think that the Emperor was just coming down hard on GTY because Prince Huan's faction was out of favour.

 

If the writers had used a case was that was more severe, then it would be difficult to explain why he keeps his title and is able to rebound later on. I am not sure why he was imprisoned in the novel?

Agreed. 

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I think the biggest issue in this forum is how people speculate. Some folks may not have the time to go back 4-6 pages and read within the context of a recent comment. Think there should be a disclaimer or something, as to not confuse readers who then already theories and not actual facts or happenings on the show. I’ve seen this happen too many times where something was said, I had to skip through pages just to find the context, only to realize that it’s  just speculation and not based on anything meaningful. While I enjoy the conversations, people trying to “translate” and getting the message entirely wrong can be frustrating when it’s not disclaimed that they are just speculating.  

 

Its so so easy to misunderstand something from a trailer without subtitles and translations from non native speakers,  which then causes the forum to bust with more pages of speculation that people have to skip through only to find out that wasn’t the actual message at all. It’s a love hate thing. 

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